Powder choice for 9/40/45 SD rounds


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Nowhere Man
December 25, 2012, 06:33 AM
I've only ever reloaded for target/range shooting. For years I have picked up unfired ammo and reused the components with the exception of the hollow point bullets. Those I've saved in a box and have quite a few.:eek:

For those who reload for self defense, what powder(s) do you use for 9/40/45?

Merry Christmas,

Dave

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rfwobbly
December 25, 2012, 07:34 AM
You'll want something slightly slower than 231. For 9 and 40, of the easy-to-find powders Unique and WSF come to mind.

bds
December 25, 2012, 08:38 AM
+1 on WSF. I use factory Remington Golden Saber and Speer Gold Dot HP loads for SD/HD but use the same bulk bullets to load practice/backup rounds. I have used Universal, HS-6, WSF and AutoComp for full-power loads but used WSF the most.

I have picked up unfired ammo and reused the components with the exception of the hollow point bullets.
If you are loading near max/max charge loads, consider the following.

Definitely get an accurate scale to verify the powder charge weights. I reserve known once-fired brass for max loads as mixed range pickup brass with unknown reload history may have weakened/thinned case walls that may contribute to case wall failure. With mixed range brass with unknown reload history, I use mid-to-high range load data, especially for 40S&W. YMMV

With any new bullet, I always perform neck tension QC check by measuring the OAL before and after I feed the dummy rounds (no powder/no primer) from the magazine by manually releasing the slide. If you can measure significant reduction in OAL that exceeds several thousands, especially reusing already loaded and crimped bullets, you have neck tension issue that will result in bullet set back which will seat the bullet base deeper in the case neck and raise chamber pressures - not good if you are using near max/max charge loads.

Merry Christmas!

Blue68f100
December 25, 2012, 09:25 AM
My reloads duplicate the feel and of my carry ammo. I use WSF and WST powders for 9 and 45.

But I use factory ammo for carry because it has a low flash powder that we do not have access to. Besides unless you have access to all of the testing equipment you can not guarantee the performance of your reloads. Yes you may think it good but without through testing like mfg, FBI and LE do you don't really know.

steve4102
December 25, 2012, 09:36 AM
If you are looking for Max velocity and performance, look to Hodgdon Longshot.

http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

traderpats
December 25, 2012, 10:30 AM
A vote for Silhouette here. For the .45 I can easily load to 900+ fps w/230 gr bullets and still not be near the max. You have a decent margin of error if on a progressive. Burns nice and accuracy is there too.

JLDickmon
December 25, 2012, 10:37 AM
meh.. Unique

gamestalker
December 25, 2012, 11:50 AM
I don't know about 45 ACP, but for 9mm and .40 Cal. I use HS6 or Longshot because those two will get you up higher end velocities without having to deal with excessive pressure issues.

I don't have my 9mm data at the moment, but for .40 cal. I use 8.4 grs. of HS6 for a 155 gr. XTP. The load range is 7.2 - 8.8 grs. As soon as I get my reloading room re-organized I'll be able to find the rest of the data and get that posted.

GS

sellersm
December 25, 2012, 11:56 AM
Unique, WSF, HS-6. I like HS-6 because it's not too flashy.

orionengnr
December 25, 2012, 12:59 PM
I have been using W231 and Alliant Green Dot (among others) for a number of different cartridges (from .380 to .45 acp to 10mm to .45LC)
A friend has been using Bullseye exclusively for .45acp and .38 Spl loads.

If you have a good reloading manual, you will be surprised how many different cartridges you can load with one versatile powder.

That is not to say you will get the ultimate performance from any, but can still put together safe and serviceable ammo.

Hondo 60
December 25, 2012, 02:20 PM
Accurate #5 would be my choice if I can have only one powder.
It'll give very nice performance (think fps) with a fairly mild recoil.

JDGray
December 25, 2012, 02:36 PM
Power Pistol all the way!:cool:

918v
December 25, 2012, 02:47 PM
Silhouette and AA#7 are flash supressed.

Walkalong
December 25, 2012, 06:26 PM
Power Pistol all the way!PP is great for velocity, but it isn't flash suppressed.


It's more like this...
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x37/Walkalong/PowerPistol.gif

dragon813gt
December 25, 2012, 06:50 PM
I use Universal for 9mm SD rounds. I don't load the others for this so I can't comment.


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918v
December 25, 2012, 06:57 PM
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/918v/photo-20.jpg

This is a 124gr Gold Dot with 7.1grs of AA#7 from a Glock 17L at 15 yards.

jjjitters
December 25, 2012, 07:04 PM
AA#5, WSF, HP-38,and Sr7625 all good for the calibers listed. Sillhouette is good ,but needs to be loaded near max in .45 to burn the most complete(aka prefers pressure).

Several VV powders are even better but costly.

ssyoumans
December 25, 2012, 10:12 PM
Unique and 231 for target loads, Power Pistol for SD max velocity loads. Flashy, but I haven't found anything better in those 3. True Blue has less flash but can't meet the velocity of PP. Close though.

Sport45
December 25, 2012, 10:28 PM
You've been given good advice on powder selection.

For years I have picked up unfired ammo and reused the components with the exception of the hollow point bullets. Those I've saved in a box and have quite a few.

I hope you are not talking about reusing these pulled HP bullets for self defense. The HP bullets you find at the range may or may not be designed for expansion. Many of them have profiles that match the "real deal" and are only used as a less expensive substitute for function testing or practice. For instance the Hornady HAP is marketed as an action pistol bullet only.

If you are reloading for self defense (I don't) at least do yourself a favor and buy bullets that are designed for the task. Don't use a hodgepodge of range pickups.

Nowhere Man
December 26, 2012, 06:58 AM
These would be second to "last resort" and not for primary carry. I'm just trying to come up with a use for these bullets other than paper weights.


Dave

Carpedium
December 26, 2012, 07:58 AM
Based on my research, Longshot paired with a 135gr bullet in .40 S&W delivers very good velocity performance. 1400FPS+

Sport45
December 26, 2012, 08:03 AM
I'm just trying to come up with a use for these bullets other than paper weights.


They are nice, free bullets for range fodder. IMHO that's all they're good for. Really too small for decent paper weights. :)

918v
December 26, 2012, 08:25 AM
Based on my research, Longshot paired with a 135gr bullet in .40 S&W delivers very good velocity performance. 1400FPS+

And that is the absolutely worst combo for self-defense in the .40 S&W.

Hamish
December 26, 2012, 08:30 AM
I use Tite Group for 9mm, .40 S&W, and for .45 ACP.

It is a fast burning powder, and it doesn't take much to use. Economically speaking, you'll get more bang for your buck.

I don't load to max pressures, and I've never had a problem with this powder. I usually shoot 124 gr in 9mm, 180 gr in .40 and 230 gr in .45 and have found accurate and consistent loads using Tite Group.

I've tried a few other powders as well. I really liked AA#7, but it didn't meter well in my LEE powder drop. Always seemed to be a lot of spilled powder seeping out of the drop. W231 works well too.

918v
December 26, 2012, 08:43 AM
A really accurate Titegroup load for a Glock is 165 Gold Dot on top of four grains of TG with a WSP primer. It groups under 1" at 15 yards.

Sport45
December 26, 2012, 09:18 PM
Titegroup is a good powder and I've burnt a lot of it in .45acp, .38 special, 9mm, and .45 Colt.

But for some reason, Titegroup seems to be involved in a high proportion of .40S&W blowups. Maybe it's easy to double charge or maybe it's less forgiving with bullet setback, I don't know. But I won't try the stuff in my .40S&W.

Carpedium
December 26, 2012, 09:22 PM
I understand why it wouldn't be the best, but the worst? Please explain?

Bovice
December 28, 2012, 01:44 PM
Universal. I've shot loads in 9 and .40 with it at night. I didn't see much flash.

357 SIG with a max load of AA#9, now that was a fireball.

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