ACOG Vs Aimpoint


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OneWound
December 25, 2012, 07:27 PM
Hello, I currently own an Aimpoint CompM4 and was recently thinking about trading it in for an ACOG. For me, I would use it in a SHTF situation, where I would be in both urban environment. I am torn between which one, help?

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xfyrfiter
December 25, 2012, 08:01 PM
Aimpoint, tough as a hammer, and just as dependable, change batteries once a year and forget it.

KansasPaul
December 25, 2012, 08:06 PM
You are comparing apples to oranges. I've owned both and liked each of them. The Aimpoint allows faster target acquisition in my opinion. The benefit of the ACOG is that it has a reticle with bullet drop compensation. The only thing I didn't like about my ACOG was that it used no battery for the light source which is tritium and has a limited life of about 10 years. My ACOG was about 7 years old and the tritium had died off to the point that it wasn't visible unless it was pitch black - so in low light conditions it really didn't function (having the tritium replaced was going to cost about $600). I liked the Aimpoint for the great visibility in all lighting conditions and it had fantastic battery life. If I were to buy another ACOG I would choose a model that had an alternate light source (battery). The other consideration is cost - the Aimpoint is about 30% the cost of an ACOG. If you want magnification, you can also buy a magnifier for the Aimpoint and get 4X viewing. Given the choice of the two, I would go with the latter - Aimpoint and magnifier.

That's my 2 pennies worth.

Blessings,

Paul

Bartholomew Roberts
December 25, 2012, 09:07 PM
If you buy one of the ACOGs with the fiber optic, it can use ambient light to light the reticle. To the best of my knowledge, no ACOGs use batteries.

The Aimpoint is going to be faster for most situations. The ACOG allows you to see better though due to magnification.

burk
December 25, 2012, 09:18 PM
Paul. which ACOG did you have?

Trijicon guarantees them for 12 years and they replaced my tritium element after about fourteen years and only charged me for shipping. The ACOG is a superior sight if you have to engage targets at a distance. I've talked to several vets from Afghanistan and they all to have man have told me it's very rare to engage a target closer than about three hundred meters.

My feeling is the Aimpoint due to the fact that you have zero magnification is better inside of 50 meters. But the ACOG especially one set up up with BAC for both eyes open use is hard to beat for an all around combat sight. But the Aimpoint is certainly capable, like the ACOG they have a great record for reliability.

Sam Cade
December 25, 2012, 09:22 PM
To the best of my knowledge, no ACOGs use batteries.

They make a 4x32 that uses an AA battery to run LEDs.

OneWound
December 25, 2012, 09:33 PM
I know they are both great, but if I had to chose either because I live in the plains of eastern Iowa, but I know I'd be going to houses as well.

TexasPatriot.308
December 25, 2012, 09:36 PM
I dont have either one or experience with one, but have a spare Bushmaster .308 optics ready carbine, would one of these work out to 300 yards, just wondering.

imac98374
December 25, 2012, 09:59 PM
Paul. which ACOG did you have?

Trijicon guarantees them for 12 years and they replaced my tritium element after about fourteen years and only charged me for shipping. The ACOG is a superior sight if you have to engage targets at a distance. I've talked to several vets from Afghanistan and they all to have man have told me it's very rare to engage a target closer than about three hundred meters.

My feeling is the Aimpoint due to the fact that you have zero magnification is better inside of 50 meters. But the ACOG especially one set up up with BAC for both eyes open use is hard to beat for an all around combat sight. But the Aimpoint is certainly capable, like the ACOG they have a great record for reliability.
But since he's not going to Afghanistan, in the very unlikely event that he ever has to shoot at anything with 2 legs and a pulse, it will be in a defensive situation, ie <<300m.

OneWound
December 25, 2012, 10:01 PM
Texas, I would assume so. I shoot 30-06 that far.

OneWound
December 25, 2012, 10:03 PM
imac, I'm not going to Afghanistan but I'd like to be prepared for other things.

briansmithwins
December 25, 2012, 10:25 PM
Aimpoint and ACOG are different tools for different jobs. Asking which is better is like asking if a hammer or screwdriver is a better tool: depends on the task at hand.

Aimpoints are excellent at taking fast shots inside of 300 yards. ACOGs are great at 200+ out. For social work I'd almost always choose a Aimpoint. If you know you're going to be needing to ID targets or take longer shots, go with the ACOG.

Personally, I have both. Aimpoint for my normal rifle and a 3.5x ACOG on the longer range rifle.

BSW

Jenrick
December 26, 2012, 12:13 AM
If you train a lot you can run an ACOG for CQB work up to about 3x-3.5x. Over that it starts to get a lot more difficult and in general slower then a non-magnified optic. An aimpoint on the other hand has no capability for target discrimination or magnification. In a SHTF situation having the ability to determine what is a hostile and what is not (or if it's a hostile worth engaging) can be a life saver. An ACOG gives you that capability, where an Aimpoint requires adding a magnifier possibly.

I've run both a non-mag optic (EOTech, but similar concept as the Aimpoint), and an ACOG on my work rifle (LEO). If the ONLY thing I was going to was going to be going into small structures, I'd take the EOTech every time. However as that's not even close to my general job description, the ACOG gets the nod. The ability to gather info, target discriminate, and still go in close and take care of business is huge.

I personally would recommend the the TA11-H for your purpose. It is quiet a bit pricery though, an Aimpoint with a magnifier will do largely the same thing just at more weight and bulk.

-Jenrick

BrainOnSigs
December 26, 2012, 04:22 AM
I use an ACOG/RMR set-up on one of my ARs. The best of both worlds.

http://brainonsigs.smugmug.com/Other/Misc/i-XJFwfLj/0/S/TA33-H-RMR_45-S.jpg

Chunky
December 26, 2012, 04:28 AM
Another vote for the ACOG & RMR combo. We use them at work, nice combo

Lloyd Smale
December 26, 2012, 06:42 AM
Ive got two acogs and three aimpoints. There both top shelf units. Both have advantages over each other. Bottom line though is if price wasnt a consern id have acogs on all my ars. Just hard for me anymore to come up with 1200 bucks for optics and can get a good aimpoint for half that much.

Robert
December 26, 2012, 07:19 AM
Let's focus on optics and leave the shtf talk out as it has no place on THR.

Hit_Factor
December 26, 2012, 07:35 AM
300 yards shots with an aimpoint is easy enough. The aimpoint really shines in the up close and personal speed shots.

I have an ACOG and RMR on one of my rifles. I mounted the RMR at 1300 instead of on top of the ACOG. I tried the top mount but it felt too high and sloppy.

There are some 1.5X ACOGs and they work very well for the quick shots.

Ro1911
December 26, 2012, 09:02 AM
short to medium range = aimpoint
medium to long range = acog
long to extra long range = luepold variable power

if you cheap then a vortex strikefire

cbpagent72
December 28, 2012, 02:14 AM
I would assume that you really have no idea what an Aimpoint Comp M4 costs. It for sure is not 30% the cost of a 4x32 ACOG.

Aimpoint $787.00
http://www.opticsplanet.com/aimpoint-compm4-red-dot-sight-11972.html?gclid=CKOFtpPBvLQCFYN_Qgod-yMAGw&ph=&adlens_source=google&ef_id=UMd4TQAAQAsc993F:20121228064959:s

ACOG $983.00
http://www.opticsplanet.com/trijicon-4x32-acog-advanced-combat-optical-gunsight-ta01.html

Working in law enforcement I have had the chance to use the ACOG and EoTech but I had never used an Aimpoint Comp M4 until my buddy with the Airforce pararescue unit let me shoot their rifles. I fell in love with the aimpoint.

I don't like the EoTech sights because of the need to fumble with the push button switches to turn the lights on and adjust brightness and the batteries wear out quick. If it is a home defense weapon and you have the EoTech you have to try and mess with the sight while understress if you have a home break in. Most of the agents that I work with do not like the EoTech and the failure rate is high but the agency keeps buying them. I guess they must be the lowest bidders.

I did like the ACOG for long distance shooting and on qual days but I never felt comfortable with it in town or clearing buildings. I noticed that some of the ACOGs were dimming out after only a few years of use, they were repaired under warranty. I would never choose a ACOG as a home defense sight unless your home is in the middle of nowhere and you are shooting at someone across the field. The magnification and the required eye relief to get a good sight picture are not beneficial when clearing houses.

The Aimpoint is awesome in the fact that you leave the light on and the one AA battery lasts for 8 years although I would probably change it every year to be on the safe side. Someone breaks into your house there isn't any fumbling with buttons just a nice easy to use clicking dial to increase our decrease the red dot illumination. You cannot shoot as accurately for as far with it in comparison to the ACOG but you can shoot comfortably with it out to 300 yards. Overall, I think the aimpoint is a better all around sight, you just need to decide how you will be using rifle mostly.

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BrainOnSigs
December 28, 2012, 07:20 PM
With very little practice I learned to use the Bindon Aiming Concept using my 4x32 ACOG BAC.

The BAC or Bindon Aiming Concept only refers to fiber-optic ACOG's as they have a bright enough reticle (like a red-dot). The Bindon Aiming Concept refers to the eyes when both are open not seeing the magnification until you stop and hold the scope on the target. This is when your eyes and brain pick up the magnification. When acquiring a target the weapon and scope is moving fast enough so that your eyes and brain do not pick up on the magnification but only the bright reticle and the target. With enough training/practice you get good enough to use your fiber-optic ACOG as a red-dot for CQB distances and longer-range precision distances.

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