M&P9 Compact vs Shield recoil


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jawman
December 25, 2012, 08:09 PM
Does the M&P Shield have less felt recoil than the M&P9C since the Shield has 2 recoil springs instead of 1??

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wally
December 25, 2012, 10:37 PM
Since the fully loaded Sheild weights a fair amount less than a fully loaded M&P Compact, physics says the free recoil energy of the Sheild will be higher. How you will perceive this is impossible for anyone else to say.

The Lone Haranguer
December 25, 2012, 11:37 PM
I don't think the recoil spring has much to do with felt recoil. The size and weight of the gun, along with the differences in grip thickness and shape, makes much more difference. I haven't shot a Shield, but have shot the similarly sized and shaped Bersa BP9CC. That gun is comfortable to shoot all day, at least to me.

denster
December 25, 2012, 11:49 PM
I have both. The Shield due to it's thinner grip and lighter weight has a more noticeable recoil but only marginally so. Both are super.

Madcap_Magician
December 27, 2012, 10:39 AM
I've owned both and shot them side-by-side with the same ammo. Subjectively the recoil is pretty similar, though the compact is easier if you get into the +P or +P+ range. 147-gr. and 115-gr. standard pressure felt pretty much the same.

PabloJ
December 27, 2012, 11:12 AM
Does the M&P Shield have less felt recoil than the M&P9C since the Shield has 2 recoil springs instead of 1??
Sure both are nice, but I would rather have M&P9sc or better yet Glock 26

jawman
December 27, 2012, 11:30 PM
What's the M&P9sc?

PabloJ
December 28, 2012, 01:30 AM
What's the M&P9sc?
That is PROFESSIONAL grade version of the Shield with real double stack magazine. Oops it's one with 12 round magazine called 9c. There is no SC I was thinking Glock Perfection.

jawman
December 28, 2012, 08:15 AM
What?

gym
December 28, 2012, 10:10 AM
did anyone get the new mags for the 40 cal shield? I have to send mine in and wanted to see a picture of the dimple they put on them, sorry for asking here, but it appears you guys may have one, and I am curious to know if it fixed your problem, I posted this as a seperate question, but no one answered. Pm me if you choose, thanks, GYM

PabloJ
December 28, 2012, 10:18 AM
What?
The Shield is Granny or Grandpas special while M&P9c is semi-professional grade. The pros carry Glock.

jawman
December 28, 2012, 10:58 AM
Troll?

PabloJ
December 28, 2012, 01:17 PM
Troll?
It's not hard to comprehend. Anything modern in sub-compact pistol category that is not capable of accepting full-size gun mag as reload is amateur grade. For example G26 will accept G17 magazines therefore it is PROgrade.

KTXdm9
December 28, 2012, 01:56 PM
Troll?
More or less.

I have a Shield. I like the single stack for carry. To me, recoil is pretty manageable.

fastbolt
December 28, 2012, 02:07 PM
How felt recoil & muzzle rise/whip is experienced and perceived can easily differ among shooters.

Personally, having used a few M&P 9c's and one Shield 9, the 9c has a noticeably lesser amount of felt recoil & muzzle rise than the Shield 9 ... as well as my pair of G26's, my 3913, CS9 & a SW999c (S&W licensed version of the P99 9c AS).

The M&P 9c "shooting experience" seems rather similar to shooting a larger 9mm pistol of other makes/models.

The lighter Shield 9, with its thinner grip profile, didn't spread out the felt recoil impulse against the palm of my hand in the same manner as the wider backstrap & grip profile of the M&P 9c, but it was still surprisingly pleasant & controllable, though ... to me.

I've considered adding one to my retirement weapon collection.

You really need to shoot one yourself, though.

Handling one at a gunshop counter only tells you what it "feels" like to hold it ... not what it feels like during the actual recoil of live-fire.

Pro-grade? Amateur-grade? Based on optional magazine acceptance? Really?

Mindset, skillset, training, tactics & experience. The arguable "critical priority" list.

Equipment is ... equipment. Sometimes the selection is up to the user, and sometimes it's not.

jawman
December 28, 2012, 02:09 PM
It's not hard to comprehend. Anything modern in sub-compact pistol category that is not capable of accepting full-size gun mag as reload is amateur grade. For example G26 will accept G17 magazines therefore it is PROgrade.
Ah, that's better. Thanks. The way you went about explaining it before was a bit trollish.

S&Wfan
December 28, 2012, 10:36 PM
It's not hard to comprehend. Anything modern in sub-compact pistol category that is not capable of accepting full-size gun mag as reload is amateur grade. For example G26 will accept G17 magazines therefore it is PROgrade

1. Define what a "pro" is.

Is it ALL people who make their living while required to carry a gun on a daily basis?


2. Define what an "amateur" is.

Does it also include folks who have little or no interest in shooting handguns until getting hired and being required to qualify once a year? When do these "amateurs" automatically (no pun intended) get an "upgrade" to pro?

After making my point though, I'll concede that most owners of bottom feeder,s who are RANK amateurs with handguns, may overlook some of the points you made on magazine compatibility and other differences that make some handguns wiser choices to make when one's life might be on the line someday.

One is my brother-in-law, the MD. Last weekend he called to tell me he was buying his first handgun in his 55 years of life . . . a Shield. He's buying it through a shop staffed with "former Navy Seals.":rolleyes:

Ankeny
December 29, 2012, 10:43 AM
More or less. I would say more than less.

dondavis3
December 29, 2012, 11:07 AM
+1 denster

I own and carry both

My Shield

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx67/dondavis3/Guns/SampWMampPShield-1.jpg

My 9c

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx67/dondavis3/Guns/SWMP9C.jpg

The recoil is slightly more with my shield.

Both are great guns.

:cool:

hardluk1
December 29, 2012, 11:44 AM
Well a 1911 holds 7 or 8 rounds right!! So that means my kahr cm9 is a "pro" grade handgun as a 8 round mag for the larger pistols fits and works. And my wife has a pro grade m&pc. Honistly this prograde firearm bull is a very foolish way of thinking.

Guess there most be a heck of a lot of amateur law enforcent people out there with pablo j's way of thinking.

gym
March 18, 2013, 11:02 AM
After having them both, I must defer to the compact, although not able to pocket carry, it has the extra rounds and a far better grip. Recoil was never an issue, but the shield was in 40, I prefer 13+1 rounds in 9.

frank c
March 18, 2013, 11:42 AM
The Shield is Granny or Grandpas special while M&P9c is semi-professional grade. The pros carry Glock.
To funny.LOL

Racinbob
March 18, 2013, 07:57 PM
+1 frank. Isn't it funny how Glock folks feel the need to jump into a conversation. The Shield is a great pistol, period. It's the first that has me setting aside my wheelgun as a carry. OK, only sometimes.

frank c
March 18, 2013, 08:48 PM
+1 frank. Isn't it funny how Glock folks feel the need to jump into a conversation. The Shield is a great pistol, period. It's the first that has me setting aside my wheelgun as a carry. OK, only sometimes.
I have a shield and M&P 9c both are great carry pistols.No complaints on my end.

dondavis3
March 18, 2013, 09:11 PM
+1 frank. Isn't it funny how Glock folks feel the need to jump into a conversation. The Shield is a great pistol, period. It's the first that has me setting aside my wheelgun as a carry. OK, only sometimes.

LOL Glock guys are a little insecure - ;)

Glock has fallen behind S&W / XDm in recent years IMHO

So they are are always telling you how good Glocks are.

You don't see other brand owners doing that.

:cool:

M2 Carbine
March 18, 2013, 10:40 PM
Recently I lucked into a Shield. Nice gun.

Due to tearing both my shoulders, shooting anything more than a light 22 pistol is a chore.
I have shot the Shield a couple times and it's a keeper.

Several ladies I'm helping with their shooting have shot the gun and all like it.
One is very good with the gun and intends buyng the first one she sees

So as far as the recoil issue, these ladies have no problem with it at all.

Cricoid
March 19, 2013, 10:35 AM
My buddy has a Shield; I have a 9c. I would shoot and carry both before you make a purchase. In a good IWB holster, you can barely tell the difference in the two (of course, I normally carry a Glock 29 so maybe I'm desensitized to the thickness.)

I think the 9c feels better in the hand, holds more rounds, and carries just as well as the Shield. Both are excellent guns though.

mach1.3
March 19, 2013, 05:08 PM
My preference is theMP9c. Very controllable recoil, concealable and reliable.
12 v 6 rds also. I have rethought buying a mini-.380 numerous times b/c of
the MP9c. It's not a pocket pistol per se but it fills my need.

frank c
March 19, 2013, 09:18 PM
My preference is theMP9c. Very controllable recoil, concealable and reliable.
12 v 6 rds also. I have rethought buying a mini-.380 numerous times b/c of
the MP9c. It's not a pocket pistol per se but it fills my need.
The shield extended mag is 8 plus 1 in the chamber

M2 Carbine
March 21, 2013, 01:14 AM
Shooting the Shield again today. Can't think of anything I'd change about it.
But of course I'm not a pro.

Although I do have three Glocks.
Don't carry them though, use them as car guns.


Originally Posted by PabloJ
The Shield is Granny or Grandpas special while M&P9c is semi-professional grade. The pros carry Glock.

That is funny.:D

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