Best hi-cap pistols?


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valnar
December 26, 2012, 07:58 AM
So the only high-capacity magazine semi-auto I own is a SIG P229 in 9mm. I have several 13rd mags for it. All my other handguns are revolvers, a Kahr P9, 1911, SIG P220 or other guns with a capacity natively less than 10.

I'm looking to pick up a distant sibling to my Sig while I can still buy hi-cap mags, just in case.

I've already ruled out Glock for a variety of reasons. What are some of the next best semi-autos I should look at? Beretta, CZ, S&W, etc? Who is the heir-apparent after the Sigs and Glocks?

My other thought is to just buy another P229, but I wanted to see what else was out there. I'm looking for another 9mm with at least the same 13rd count as my Sig.

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Roadking Rider
December 26, 2012, 08:06 AM
Cz's are some very fine pistols.

creeper1956
December 26, 2012, 08:49 AM
If you like the 1911 pattern and can afford one, a full size STI 2011 in 9mm will hold 26 rounds of 9mm with a 170mm magazine...17 rds with a flush magazine.
Assuming you don't want to spend 2 grand on a 2011... as Roadking suggested, get a CZ75 or 85. If cocked and locked is good for you, a 9mm (16+1) CZ75B-SA (http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-b-sa/) is one of the sweetest guns you can hope to get.

highlander 5
December 26, 2012, 09:11 AM
Beretta,Cz 75,S&W M&P line on a budget,the Ruger P series are good pistols though a bit on the bulky side and can be had for short money.

el Godfather
December 26, 2012, 02:04 PM
H&K USP with 18 shot mag.

Viking Baikal 446 18 shot mag

Sig Sauer X5 17+2 shot mag

miles1
December 26, 2012, 03:41 PM
Cz 75b

BigJimP
December 26, 2012, 03:50 PM
If you like the Sig 229 ....why not buy a Sig 226 ...( their full sized gun ) ...its just a little bigger than the 229.../ its about 1/2" longer overall most of it because the barrel is longer ( 4.4" vs 3.9" in 229)...its about the same overall height ( 0.1" ) and it is the same width ...and only 2 oz heavier...

but why go down the path of another type of gun ...if you like the Sig ...Sig makes a fine gun, in my opinion.

carbonyl
December 26, 2012, 04:03 PM
I love my Ruger P95 and sr9c. I have thousands of flawless rounds through both but if you're of the mindset that you need to pay a pile to get a good pistol then they're probably not the ones for you. :rolleyes:

1 old 0311-1
December 26, 2012, 04:04 PM
CZ's are probably the best thing going. Fit like a glove, more accurate than you could be, and as reliable as a machine can be.
Just stay away from the owners site unless you are IN the 'cool kids club.'

Nathanael_Greene
December 26, 2012, 04:19 PM
I've owned a Taurus PT-99AF for about 25 years, and it's been fabulous.

With aftermarket 17-round magazines, it means a box of rounds is fired off with only two reloads.

surjimmy
December 26, 2012, 06:06 PM
How about Browning Hi-Power?

1 old 0311-1
December 26, 2012, 06:13 PM
The High Power is 80 years old..........and I wouldn't hesitate to trust my life with one. A BIT heavy, and a BIT expensive but as good as anything going.

12131
December 26, 2012, 06:17 PM
If I were in your shoes, I would find a classic W. German P228 (13 to 15+1 capacity), or a CZ75 D PCR (14+1), or a HK USP9c (13+1), for compacts.
For full-size, Beretta M91A1 (15 to 20+1).

valnar
December 26, 2012, 06:25 PM
I always liked the Beretta. I might go for that, or just get another Sig.

JustinJ
December 26, 2012, 06:41 PM
HK P30 is the finest 9mm on the market but you will pay to play. If you are against Glock, don't know why you would be, and don't wana pay for a HK then i'd go for the SW M&P. I love mine but if aliens invaded tomorrow i'd much rather have a Glock.

lobo9er
December 26, 2012, 06:47 PM
http://www.tombstonetactical.com/images/smith-wesson/170245-1.jpg:neener::)

meanmrmustard
December 26, 2012, 07:22 PM
CZ's are probably the best thing going. Fit like a glove, more accurate than you could be, and as reliable as a machine can be.
Just stay away from the owners site unless you are IN the 'cool kids club.'
Nuff said.

Although, I'm uncertain why no one has said Walther PPQ.

sigarms228
December 26, 2012, 07:26 PM
If you like the Sig 229 ....why not buy a Sig 226 ...( their full sized gun ) ...its just a little bigger than the 229.../ its about 1/2" longer overall most of it because the barrel is longer ( 4.4" vs 3.9" in 229)...its about the same overall height ( 0.1" ) and it is the same width ...and only 2 oz heavier...

but why go down the path of another type of gun ...if you like the Sig ...Sig makes a fine gun, in my opinion.

This is excellent advice and why settle for anything less? ^^

SIGs are top tier best of the best combat pistols and if they work well for you it makes a lot of sense to get a couple more. Note however that you can get Mecgar flush fit 15 round magazines for the P228/P229 and even 18 rounders that are extended about 5/8 of an inch.

I have tried just about all the 9MM combat pistols out there and SIGs are easily my favorite with the Walther PPQ right behind. IMO the Walther PPQ and P99 AS are the finest 9MM poly frame combat pistols you can buy today.

Here is one of my 9MM P226s with the flush fit 18 Mecgar round magazines. With the SIG factory aluminum grips it is a wonder for me to hold. SIG also makes 20 round magazines for the P226 and I believe the Tacops P226 comes with four of them.

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv60/kk9zz/pp228-18ajpg.jpg

Good luck!!

BYJO4
December 26, 2012, 07:38 PM
With all the possibilities, good luck in making a decision.

Jaymo
December 26, 2012, 08:29 PM
Ruger SR9.

1 old 0311-1
December 26, 2012, 08:40 PM
CZ P-01's with 32 round mags:what:

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n489/kcq1/P1030141-1.jpg

jbm0207
December 26, 2012, 10:05 PM
In order of my preference:

Beretta PX4
Stoegar cougar 9mm
Sig 2022
Beretta 92/Taurus 92
Walther PPQ? If you are OK with Striker...?
CZ 75? unless it has a decocker you have to be OK with SAO...?

TimboKhan
December 26, 2012, 10:59 PM
Beretta PX4
Stoegar cougar 9mm
Sig 2022
Beretta 92/Taurus 92
Walther PPQ? If you are OK with Striker...?
CZ 75? unless it has a decocker you have to be OK with SAO...?


With the caveat that there is nothing wrong with any of those guns you mentioned, that just strikes me as a weird list. You just don't see PX4s and Stoeger Cougars being listed as peoples #1 and #2 guns very often (this would be the first time for me, in fact), and 2022's are rarely mentioned even when Sigs are being actively discussed.

Well, whatever. Good for you for not drinking anyone's Kool-Aid, I guess. Like I said, nothing wrong with any of those choices, just not the typical thing you see.

Edit to add: The Taurus PT92/99 isn't really overlooked since a lot of people own them, but I personally think they are a great pistol. I wish I would have never sold either of the two I have owned over the years, and in particular the blued version I owned. I bought it used for a song, and it was pretty rough looking cosmetically, but for what ever reason, I just couldn't miss with it. The other one I sold to a buddy, so I suppose that I could buy it back at some point (and I might), but that blue one got sold at a gun show. If I ever happen to find it again, I am buying it back no questions asked.

Pilot
December 26, 2012, 11:57 PM
Browning Hi Power
CZ SP-01 Shadow, 75B, P-01, PCR, etc
HK USP/P30
Sig P226/P228/P229
Beretta 92 series
Glock G17/G19
Springfield XD

weblance
December 27, 2012, 12:09 AM
Ruger P95. Mecgar makes 17 and 20 round magazines, and there are 32 round magazines available. The 17 round Mecgars are flush fit. 18 rounds of 9mm from a Ruger P95 is a very formidable combination.

Okiegunner
December 27, 2012, 12:16 AM
Beretta 92 gets my vote

The Sig 2022 is a great, often over looked, value pistol.

Lucky Derby
December 27, 2012, 07:48 AM
1. Browning Hi-Power
2. CZ 75-pick your prefered varient.

In fact a Hi-Power is on my right hip as I type this.

aka108
December 27, 2012, 10:11 AM
Now don't laugh. My favorite Hi-Cap is the Star M30 Starfire. 15+1 capacity. It is ugly, does not exhibit a high degree of finish work and bluing is not real pretty either. The beauty of the M30 is that it works every time regardless of the ammo used. It shoots to the point of aim. The safety is a simple firing pin block. It's SA/DA and all steel. Regretfully Star is out of business and these are no longer made.

Hunter125
December 27, 2012, 10:17 AM
I can't believe no one has mentioned the XDm 9 with 19+1. Highest capacity out there in a standard double stack mag AFAIK.

Slightly different manual of arms than your 229, but very ergonomic and couldn't be easier to field strip.

pureadrenaline
December 27, 2012, 10:26 AM
I love my FNH FNP-45 (15+1) and my Beretta Cougar 40.

Hurryin' Hoosier
December 27, 2012, 02:04 PM
Beretta 92-series. I wouldn't trade my commercial M9 for all the tea in China! ;)

sean326
December 27, 2012, 03:49 PM
high cap stuff...
i've got an ancient p-85 bought new in the 80's its still cranking flawlessly with well over 2,000 rds. beretta 92, Glock 17, 19, 21 and 30 Sigg 226 never had an issue with any of them an i shoot most days of the week.
The glock 17 is also first gen... maybe 1989 or so and its amazingly reliable and accurate.

B00ridge
December 28, 2012, 12:35 AM
CZ's are probably the best thing going. Fit like a glove, more accurate than you could be, and as reliable as a machine can be.
Just stay away from the owners site unless you are IN the 'cool kids club.'

I don't get the reference. What do you mean?

JohnsXDM
December 28, 2012, 01:36 AM
+1 on the Springfield XDM

Sergei Mosin
December 28, 2012, 07:00 AM
One of the nice things about the 9mm is that there are so many great pistols chambered for it. I have several different flavors of 9mm - BHP, SIG, CZ, Beretta - and enjoy the contrast between each type.

ku4hx
December 28, 2012, 07:03 AM
Best hi capacity pistol has got to be my "T model" BHP. No, wait, gotta be my Glock 20 and 21... great companion pieces ... very powerful .. but then there's the G19, G22 and G23 ... hmmmmm. Nope, gotta rethink ... just bought an SR9 and without a doubt it the best for me. Well, unless you consider my SR9c using the 17 round magazine adapters.

Dang I need six hands.

otasan56
December 28, 2012, 07:05 AM
Why, may I ask, did you rule out Glocks?

valnar
December 28, 2012, 07:38 AM
I don't like the feel, the grip angle, the look, etc.

Pilot
December 28, 2012, 07:40 AM
I can't believe no one has mentioned the XDm 9 with 19+1.


Check post #24. However, for carry, and due to excessive weight I find mags over 15 round can be a PITA to carry.

jimbo555
December 28, 2012, 08:05 AM
s&w m&p9.17+1 capacity,reliable,light weight,great ergonomics.

Hunter125
December 28, 2012, 09:42 AM
Check post #24. However, for carry, and due to excessive weight I find mags over 15 round can be a PITA to carry.

XD is not the same as XDm. XDm has more capacity, better ergonomics, does not require a trigger pull to field strip, etc, etc. I love my XDsc, but for a high cap pistol, XDm 9 takes the cake.

S&Wfan
December 28, 2012, 10:49 PM
Why not just buy some long "sticks" for your current Sig P229 if you feel the need for more rounds out of a pistol?

With ANY handgun though, I STRONGLY recommend that the owner start shooting in competitive handgun matches requiring lots of rounds fired against the clock. Only this will let you see if you STILL shoot the pistol with the sterling accuracy you got during slow plinking at the range.

Under the pressure of speed against the clock, if your grip shifts on the handgun at all, (due to the combination of muzzle flip AND torque of the bullet exiting the rifled barrel) your accuracy will degrade evermore with each quick pull of the trigger. Most new competitors ARE good shots usually though, and don't even understand why they are missing like they are. Lots of new competitors, if they ask someone to observe where their rounds hit, discover their high cap does NOT fit their hand perfectly . . . and they simply can't miss fast enough!!!

Thus, if your P229 FITS you under this test, it would be THE one for you. However, you might discover your single stack 1911 is YOUR ultimate weapon to have in your hand if trouble ever comes your way . . . or even your trusty revolvers!!!

Food for thought!

Orion8472
December 29, 2012, 11:07 AM
S&Wfan, where that may be "good food", for too many people, that may not be an option. Especially now since there has been a run on 9mm ammo in just about every gunstore, and because many don't get into reloading, . . . that level of shooting isn't do-able. If you have the money and the ability to have plenty of rounds, then by all means do so.

Just my .02 cents.

powder
December 29, 2012, 11:41 AM
Standard 226 and the mag selection is pretty decent, but that may change in the next few weeks.

I snagged a used one (226) last winter, found a batch of (5) SCT SIG mags for it, with the "Plus 2" mag bases for 20 rd capacity. Pistol still feels relatively balanced and feeds reliably.

If you are familiar with the SIG 229 tear down and maintenance just stick with the SIG platform.

wow6599
December 29, 2012, 11:59 AM
CZ 75B, BHP, P226. Or if you like plastic go M&P, Glock, Walther P99/PPQ.

ExTank
December 29, 2012, 01:32 PM
Another vote for either CZs or Walthers (P99/PPQ). The P99 and PPQ have outstanding ergos and even better triggers.

valnar
December 29, 2012, 01:35 PM
I've decided to get either another Sig P229, a CZ75 or a Beretta 92FS. It will not be a carry piece, so weight (polymer) is not an issue. I have my Kahr P9 for that. I just need to decide which one now.

Thanks everyone.

wow6599
December 29, 2012, 03:25 PM
I just need to decide which one now.

The CZ 75B is by far the best value. If I had to chose between my BHP or SS CZ 75B, I would be crying as someone walked away with my Browning - that's how much I think of the CZ. Outstanding in every way and built to last a lifetime.

YMMV

meanmrmustard
December 29, 2012, 03:39 PM
The CZ 75B is by far the best value. If I had to chose between my BHP or SS CZ 75B, I would be crying as someone walked away with my Browning - that's how much I think of the CZ. Outstanding in every way and built to last a lifetime.

YMMV
This.

Kiln
December 29, 2012, 04:46 PM
My favorites of the ones I own?

XDM 4.5" 9mm 19+1 capacity
XDM 4.5" .40s&w 16+1 capacity
CZ75B 9mm 16+1 capacity

BILLG
December 29, 2012, 05:57 PM
My choice is the Sig 226
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/1911bg/SigMK25P226001.jpg

Rubber_Duck
December 29, 2012, 06:21 PM
I vote for the Sig P226 with Mec-Gar 18-round mags. I'm also fond of the Walther P99AS and am anxious to try the new PPQ. Another favorite of mine, since the OP said at least 13+1 rounds, is the Browning Hi-Power.

Girodin
December 29, 2012, 07:44 PM
I will tell you some that don't get nearly enough attention are the Steyrs and the Walthers. Steyr M9/M9A1s are 17+1 in a package roughly the size of a G19 (but with a grip shape that many glock haters seem to like).

otasan56
December 30, 2012, 12:50 PM
I don't like the feel, the grip angle, the look, etc.
Well if you can ignore the appearance and adjust to the grip, you'll have in a G17 the absolute best 9mm hi-cap on the market.

BILLG
December 30, 2012, 01:41 PM
I really doubt that.There are many that are just as good and many that are better.

mgmorden
December 30, 2012, 01:43 PM
S&W M&P. I own or have fired just about every major type of hi-cap pistol (with the exception of the Springfield XD), and I've found nothing I really like better than the M&P.

Girodin
December 30, 2012, 02:26 PM
Well if you can ignore the appearance and adjust to the grip, you'll have in a G17 the absolute best 9mm hi-cap on the market.

That is kind of a silly statement IMHO. I actually really like glocks. I have a number of 9x19mm glocks including a G17. I also own a number of other 9x19s from a number of other makers. Glocks, and the 17 specifically, are good guns. The thing is there are a number of 'measurables" we can use to compare gun. Weight, size, capacity, reliability, cost, market support and cost, etc. Just using those it isn't apparent to me that the G17 is necessarily "better" than other options. There are of course a lot of things that are preference or dependent on intended use. Is glocks trigger better than the DA/SA sig trigger? That depends on who you ask and how you define better. I prefer the lower bore axis of a Steyr to that of glock. To me the steyr has less felt recoil, shoots a little flatter and lets me be a little faster.

Before you can even begin to claim better you have to identify the criteria you are using to measure that. With guns there is just too much room for personal preference. Any time I hear someone say gun A or B is absolutely the best I cannot help but tune that out as ignorant fan boy talk. Much more so when it is not backed up with any kind of explanation for such a conclussion. Rarely do folks who have any significant amount of time with say the various striker fired guns assert the one is in absolute terms the best. Now if someone tells me they like A or B or for them A or B has proven the best choice for them, or something like that, that is altogether different.

Lastly even if we accept that a Glock would be the best make, why is a 17 the summum bonum of the wonder nine world. Why not a G34 (which I'd actually prefer and to me is a viable choice for anything I'd use a 17 for)? Or a G19 (which for anything I didn't think the G34 was suited for would be my choice over the G17)?


A gun needs to be reliable above all, it needs to be durable, it needs to be reasonably accurate. After that many things start to become a matter of preference and intended use. Many good guns fit the first list. As a G17 owner you would never hear me poo poo the 17, but I scoff at the idea it is clearly better than a steyr, a walther, an M&P, etc., etc.

meanmrmustard
December 30, 2012, 03:21 PM
That is kind of a silly statement IMHO. I actually really like glocks. I have a number of 9x19mm glocks including a G17. I also own a number of other 9x19s from a number of other makers. Glocks, and the 17 specifically, are good guns. The thing is there are a number of 'measurables" we can use to compare gun. Weight, size, capacity, reliability, cost, market support and cost, etc. Just using those it isn't apparent to me that the G17 is necessarily "better" than other options. There are of course a lot of things that are preference or dependent on intended use. Is glocks trigger better than the DA/SA sig trigger? That depends on who you ask and how you define better. I prefer the lower bore axis of a Steyr to that of glock. To me the steyr has less felt recoil, shoots a little flatter and lets me be a little faster.

Before you can even begin to claim better you have to identify the criteria you are using to measure that. With guns there is just too much room for personal preference. Any time I hear someone say gun A or B is absolutely the best I cannot help but tune that out as ignorant fan boy talk. Much more so when it is not backed up with any kind of explanation for such a conclussion. Rarely do folks who have any significant amount of time with say the various striker fired guns assert the one is in absolute terms the best. Now if someone tells me they like A or B or for them A or B has proven the best choice for them, or something like that, that is altogether different.

Lastly even if we accept that a Glock would be the best make, why is a 17 the summum bonum of the wonder nine world. Why not a G34 (which I'd actually prefer and to me is a viable choice for anything I'd use a 17 for)? Or a G19 (which for anything I didn't think the G34 was suited for would be my choice over the G17)?


A gun needs to be reliable above all, it needs to be durable, it needs to be reasonably accurate. After that many things start to become a matter of preference and intended use. Many good guns fit the first list. As a G17 owner you would never hear me poo poo the 17, but I scoff at the idea it is clearly better than a steyr, a walther, an M&P, etc., etc.
They're ugly, which is a non issue, and the grip angle takes getting used to.

There are just as good hi caps on the market, Glock inspired better quality.

They're good guns, but they have their shortcomings just the same.

Kiln
December 30, 2012, 05:43 PM
They're ugly, which is a non issue, and the grip angle takes getting used to.

There are just as good hi caps on the market, Glock inspired better quality.

They're good guns, but they have their shortcomings just the same.
I agree. The grip angle isn't for everybody but some do seem to love it though. I sold the G22 I had and bought a Springfield XDM, which fits me better. I will be fair and add that the G22 was a first gen model and the ergos look to have improved a bit. I've wondered if I would've liked the Glock more had I kept it and replaced the frame with one of the Timberwolf grips.

Everyone is different so preferences are all over the place.

meanmrmustard
December 30, 2012, 09:03 PM
I agree. The grip angle isn't for everybody but some do seem to love it though. I sold the G22 I had and bought a Springfield XDM, which fits me better. I will be fair and add that the G22 was a first gen model and the ergos look to have improved a bit. I've wondered if I would've liked the Glock more had I kept it and replaced the frame with one of the Timberwolf grips.

Everyone is different so preferences are all over the place.
The only ones I've been able to shoot well are the "compacts": G19/23/32.

Everything else seemed wrong for me.

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