Some thoughs on the en bloc clips...


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VVelox
December 27, 2012, 08:00 AM
The recent AWB stuff as well as living in Chicago has been having me thinking along the topic of en bloc clips. Specifically I really would not mind having a Garand clone in .223 Remington with a 16" barrel.

Any one else ever find themselves thinking along these lines?

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wgaynor
December 27, 2012, 08:23 AM
I thought of that the other day. Being that those clips faded with the introduction of detachable magazines, I doubt if it will be as easy to use.

Gonna have to break out my Mosin Nagant and start practicing with the clips I guess... or I could just use the magazines I stocked up on a couple of years ago :neener:

WardenWolf
December 27, 2012, 08:44 AM
Given that these clips are inserted into the gun and remain in place until the ammunition is expended, wouldn't they legally be classified as magazines and thus regulated?

P5 Guy
December 27, 2012, 02:26 PM
The enbloc charges the magazine. This magazine is not removable/detachable.

Neo-Luddite
December 27, 2012, 05:08 PM
Anyone with a long term love for the M-1 knows you can reload fast--and the opeation is a onehander. In some ways, with practice, it's faster than a mag change with many rifles. That said, I'd like to have my AK, too. No compromise.

JFrame
December 27, 2012, 05:15 PM
Just a throwaway bit of info in the latest American Rifleman -- but there's a small Q&A section where the topic of the Garand's en bloc clip comes up. Apparently, John Garand wanted to make the rifle with a detachable box magazine, and even produced several prototypes in that configuration (including one with a 30-round mag). But evidently, some person (or persons) became enamored of the en bloc clip in the rival Pedersen rifle, and added that requirement to the military's specifications.


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Caliper_RWVA
December 27, 2012, 05:20 PM
Well, being as a Garand is only 8 rounds, nobody is talking about regulating that anyways. However, the 223 variant you talk about would be pretty neat. Like a Garand veersion of a Mini14. Wonder if the Ruger could be used as a base.

Texan Scott
December 27, 2012, 07:07 PM
It's occurred to me too.... I'd likely take advantage of the smaller diameter of the cartridge to make it a 10 round clip though.

dvdcrr
December 27, 2012, 10:31 PM
One prototype of the m1 in 276 cal actually did hold 10. If they made a 10 round en bloc 223 I'd buy one in a heartbeat!

cfullgraf
December 27, 2012, 10:43 PM
Just a throwaway bit of info in the latest American Rifleman -- but there's a small Q&A section where the topic of the Garand's en bloc clip comes up. Apparently, John Garand wanted to make the rifle with a detachable box magazine, and even produced several prototypes in that configuration (including one with a 30-round mag). But evidently, some person (or persons) became enamored of the en bloc clip in the rival Pedersen rifle, and added that requirement to the military's specifications.


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Up until sometime around WWII, the Ordinance Department was always worried about the soldier wasting too much ammunition. Look at the features of the service rifles leading up to the M1. Things like the magazine cut out on the Springfield 03. The 03 was supposed to be fired and loaded one at a time with the full magazine saved for emergencies

Even with the M1, the stateside trainees were trained to shoot aimed shots not covering fire so the "wasting ammunition" was still a concern. They were "retrained" once they got in theater.

JFrame
December 27, 2012, 10:51 PM
Up until sometime around WWII, the Ordinance Department was always worried about the soldier wasting too much ammunition. Look at the features of the service rifles leading up to the M1. Things like the magazine cut out on the Springfield 03. The 03 was supposed to be fired and loaded one at a time with the full magazine saved for emergencies

Even with the M1, the stateside trainees were trained to shoot aimed shots not covering fire so the "wasting ammunition" was still a concern. They were "retrained" once they got in theater.

Yup -- agreed. IIRC, one of the compelling reasons that the U.S. military preferred the .30-40 Krag over the Mauser design was that the Krag had to be loaded one round at a time into its integral box magazine, versus the quick-loading stripper clips of the Mauser. It was believed that the Krag would enforce shooter discipline, rather than the "spray fire" they feared would arise with the Mauser.


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45lcshooter
December 28, 2012, 04:10 PM
VVelox- you got me thinking now too. That would be a nice little plunked firearm. Might be pricey to build, but anything is possible. Sometimes its not what you know but who you know. Time to start thinking.

MAKster
December 28, 2012, 06:32 PM
I think a Garand clone in .223 would be too large and heavy. Maybe a scaled down version the size of a Mini-14 would work. Or something along the lines of a .223 SKS with fixed 10 round mag would be better. With practice you can load the SKS mag with stripper clips really fast.

Frogman
December 28, 2012, 07:11 PM
Is the 10Rd rotary drum in a 10/22 considered a magazine? How about the workings of a Savage Mod 99, internal drum feed? These politicians are so stupid its a wonder they can tie there own shoes. I bet none in the Media can say with certainty what type of gun or guns were used in the recent shootings. The Corontor reported only an assault rifle was used but the Police found a semi auto shotgun in the trunk of the car, no Bushmaster as reported. Two hand guns on the perp one of which he killed him self with. There so many conflicting stories out there someone needs to step forward with an official timeline as to what really happened before anyone wants to talk about any gun regulations!!! Lets investigate this like Benghazi, I'm sure Eric Holder Att. General would make an unbiased report. ( Not in my life time ) If fast & furious is his style.

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