Outrageous! Biden's Chief of Staff closes "NO AWB" poll


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hso
December 27, 2012, 10:17 PM
One of the petitions to the Whitehouse calling on the POTUS to oppose an AWB (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-any-legislation-will-ban-assualt-weapons-semi-automatic-rifles-or-handguns-and-high-capacity/bjlkvNSf) was closed instead of staying open and accumulating signatures with a "response" from VP Biden's Chief of Staff Bruce Reed.

The President said it best: "Ultimately if this effort is to succeed it's going to require the help of the American people -- it's going to require all of you. If we're going to change things, it's going to take a wave of Americans -- mothers and fathers, daughters and sons, pastors, law enforcement, mental health professionals -- and, yes, gun owners -- standing up and saying 'enough' on behalf of our kids."

So let's continue this conversation and get something meaningful done. If you have additional ideas and are interested in further engagement with the White House on this issue, please let us know and share your thoughts here:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/share-your-thoughts-reducing-gun-violence

Thank you for speaking out and staying involved.

Bruce Reed is Chief of Staff to Vice President Biden

The petition site set up by the Office of the President itself says,
Creating a duplicate or similar petition will make it harder for you to get an official response. Instead, sign and help promote the one that has already been created.


The official response amounts to "We don't need to hear from any more of you on this issue.". That may be true since the issue is already in front of the Whitehouse, but isn't it important for the Executive to see how many people independently oppose any approval of an AWB?

Perhaps the best thing to do is send individual emails and letters to the President specifically saying we expect him to veto any AWB and to each of our elected officials at the local, state and national level telling them to oppose an AWB since it does not address the root cause of the Newtown massacre, contains unconstitutional provisions violating the rights of individuals protected under the 2nd Amendment and of companies under interstate commerce, and treats 200+million people as if they were the 1 criminally insane young man that slaughtered the school children at Sandy Hook elementary school.

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22-rimfire
December 27, 2012, 10:20 PM
Sounds about right. They are not open to opposing opinions or what the American People want. It is going to go just like ObamaCare if they have their way.

Ryanxia
December 27, 2012, 10:21 PM
Wow. Seems like this really is the perfect storm right about now. Let's keep our due diligence and contact our politicians. Make your voices heard while you are still "allowed"!

dark.zero.x
December 27, 2012, 10:35 PM
I just love being treated like a second class subject, I mean citizen.

Fryerpower
December 27, 2012, 10:37 PM
Yet this one is still open and collecting signatures:

"Issue an Executive Order banning the sale of assault rifles and high capacity magazines."

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/issue-executive-order-banning-sale-assault-rifles-and-high-capacity-magazines/6y5ZJmvX

Jim

BK
December 27, 2012, 10:40 PM
Is anyone seriously surprised by this? How about someone simply start another one that petitions against gun control. Start fifty. Start two more every time they close one. Start a petition that Bruce Reed keep his hands off the pro-gun petitions. Watch how "democratic" the administration can be.

Ms_Dragon
December 27, 2012, 10:43 PM
I bitterly regret cheering when this man got back into office.

Since then I've had a rude awakening as to exactly what this man is.

Ron Paul wouldn't have done this if he won.

jerkface11
December 27, 2012, 10:46 PM
Perhaps the best thing to do is send individual emails and letters to the President specifically saying we expect him to veto any AWB

"Dear Mr. President please veto this piece of legislation that is actually what you've wanted all along."

Master Blaster
December 27, 2012, 10:52 PM
Dear Mr. President, please uphold the constitution as you swore in your oath of office. Veto the unconstitutional assault weapon ban if it makes it's way to your desk. As a registered Democrat and a law abiding citizen I oppose the passage or renewal of an unconstitutional gun ban or registration scheme.

Thank you
Master Blaster

MachIVshooter
December 27, 2012, 10:58 PM
This will bite them later. Of that I am certain. In the same way that a newspaper publishing names and addresses of registered gun owners clearly illustrates for the masses why we oppose registration; Awful as the act was for the poor folks on that map, they really did us a favor in the long run. Now fence sitters can see how the abuses happen, why registration isn't "harmless". Likewise, people can see the implications of our voices being muffled or muted by MSM and our own government; Us today, them tomorrow.

jerkface11
December 27, 2012, 11:00 PM
Dear Mr. President, please uphold the constitution as you swore in your oath of office.

He's already gone 4 years without doing that I doubt he'll start now. And I really doubt he'll start respecting the constitution with the second amendment.

ID-shooting
December 27, 2012, 11:04 PM
People harrased me for being a one-issue voter but I use 2A as a litmus test, and this is why.

hogshead
December 27, 2012, 11:06 PM
If only that were true Mach look at Operation F@F, Benghazi , Obama Care ,Solyndra and many more. We wouldn't even know about them if it wasn't for Fox news. The Libs do not care what our president messes up they just want to watch CNN NBC or some other state ran media and hear how times are a getting better.47% of America just want free stuff the other 5% are just idiots[sorry mods sick of trying to paint a pretty picture]

Zoogster
December 27, 2012, 11:08 PM
So essentially the only petitions that will be allowed to get large and remain openly visible as having support on thier site will be those which are anti-gun, and not those which are pro-gun.


Pro gun petitions with too many signatures hurt the agenda and will be shut down, kept from being too visible.


In fact had they had the reverse and the anti-gun petitions had plenty I am sure they would have waived it around as proof that the American people are speaking and calling for restrictions.
It would have been given its full time to shine, and promoted as a basis for legislation.

nathan
December 27, 2012, 11:11 PM
I see theres a gun ban in the horizon , be it hook or crook. They will do it. They got the second mandate and no matter what they will make it happen.

DammitBoy
December 27, 2012, 11:11 PM
Sounds about right. They are not open to opposing opinions or what the American People want. It is going to go just like ObamaCare if they have their way.

Exactly, the polls said 70% of americans opposed obamacare - didn't make one bit of difference and they snuck it in the back door in the dead of night. :banghead:

Expect the same shenannigans with an AWB. "I can't wait on congress, I've got to act now." :cuss:

Texan Scott
December 27, 2012, 11:11 PM
They learned something from the November " Texas Secession" petition that collected 117,000 signatures in two weeks...

THE PRESS NOTICED. The press was surprised at the numbers, surprised at the speed, shocked at the breadth of support. They began yammering for a White House response on their own. (I've not seen one).

The Obama WH learned the importance of minimizing the appearance of opposition by killing them early and blowing them off as insignificant.

The (frankly expected) hypocritical, cherry picking approach to their public commitment to "dialogue" makes this nothing more than political sock puppet theater from the oval office.

Anybody reminded of "Romper Room"?

JFrame
December 27, 2012, 11:13 PM
He's already gone 4 years without doing that I doubt he'll start now. And I really doubt he'll start respecting the constitution with the second amendment.

Yup -- this.


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barnbwt
December 27, 2012, 11:15 PM
You all do know that the online "petition" thing is just a way for the prez to get between the populace and congress, right? The hope is people will continue to look even more toward the president for answers/guidance as opposed to their own congressional representatives! The people who actually make and break legislation in this country (for now).

TCB

MErl
December 27, 2012, 11:16 PM
I've always said those petitions were a joke. Now the WH has proven it.
So is there a way we can get the press to notice they are being blatantly one sided in their public discourse?

Meta
December 27, 2012, 11:21 PM
Cheering when he got back into office? Ron Paul? You mean you were considering voting for Ron Paul and you voted for Obama instead? Obama is on record as one of the most aggressive opponents of guns. His record as president, however, has been one of waiting until the moment was right to pursue his real agenda. Strict limitations and outright bans on commonly owned guns is just the beginning of what he and his party have in mind. To many of us this comes as nothing of a surprise. I fail to understand how someone with connections to an interest in the right to keep and bear arms could not have seen this coming.

Grassman
December 27, 2012, 11:24 PM
This will be another mandate against the will of the people, hide and watch.

Hacker15E
December 27, 2012, 11:28 PM
Cheering when he got back into office? Ron Paul? You mean you were considering voting for Ron Paul and you voted for Obama instead? Obama is on record as one of the most aggressive opponents of guns. His record as president, however, has been one of waiting until the moment was right to pursue his real agenda. Strict limitations and outright bans on commonly owned guns is just the beginning of what he and his party have in mind. To many of us this comes as nothing of a surprise. I fail to understand how someone with connections to an interest in the right to keep and bear arms could not have seen this coming.

NOT THE TIME to stick knives in each others' backs.

IS THE TIME to stick together and fight to preserve our rights.

smalls
December 27, 2012, 11:30 PM
"Dear Mr. President please veto this piece of legislation that is actually what you've wanted all along."

He works for himself, funded by tax dollars. He doesn't care what anyone's needs but his own.

Cesiumsponge
December 27, 2012, 11:30 PM
You all do know that the online "petition" thing is just a way for the prez to get between the populace and congress, right? The hope is people will continue to look even more toward the president for answers/guidance as opposed to their own congressional representatives! The people who actually make and break legislation in this country (for now).

It's called the cult of the presidency. We love kings. That's why kings have ruled since the beginning of time. We finally break away from that and we've been slowly giving the executive branch king-like powers and king-like exultation. We really deserve what we get. We've been doing a good job screwing things up for a hundred years by not reigning in increasingly powerful executive powers that were never intended to be there Gene Healy wrote a great book of a similar title, which was a free download promoa t one point in time. http://www.amazon.com/Cult-Presidency-Americas-Dangerous-Executive/dp/1933995157

jerkface11
December 27, 2012, 11:32 PM
I fail to understand how someone with connections to an interest in the right to keep and bear arms could not have seen this coming.

To be fair the other guy wasn't any different.

MachIVshooter
December 27, 2012, 11:34 PM
To be fair the other guy wasn't any different.

Yup. 2A wasn't even a part of this last race. The economy is another story, though........

ID-shooting
December 27, 2012, 11:37 PM
Just wrote my reps about this infringement on the First Amendment and posted it of FB. The idea is some of my fence sitting contacts will see how how easy it is to for them to violate the Constitution and how once the 2nd is gone, the rest will follow.

DammitBoy
December 27, 2012, 11:39 PM
I've always said those petitions were a joke. Now the WH has proven it.
So is there a way we can get the press to notice they are being blatantly one sided in their public discourse?

Sure, write to nbc, cbs, msnbc, and abc:

Dear Press,

Did you know the Whitehouse is being as blatantly one-sided in their public discourse as you are?

:rolleyes:

HDCamel
December 27, 2012, 11:48 PM
Someone start a petition that whitehouse.gov NOT close petitions that contradict their assertions of "what the people want"?

JBrady555
December 27, 2012, 11:50 PM
Civil War Anyone? If big government keeps playing their games our country will be the next Arab Spring. They can only push so hard before even the most level headed of us will feel backed so far into a corner that we have to fight our way out.

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."

-Thomas Jefferson

nathan
December 28, 2012, 12:06 AM
The only way is to organize huge 2A rallies and marches in every major cities in North America. The time to show our rights to bear arms without govt interference is now. It is now or never ! NRA must consider this move to visibly show our protest in case they push for arbitrary gun ban disregarding the voice of many gunowners.

Skribs
December 28, 2012, 12:11 AM
This honestly is a violation of the First Amendment, in my opinion. So now we're down 2 rights because they want to ban guns. I'm not all that surprised.

Manco
December 28, 2012, 12:14 AM
Sounds about right. They are not open to opposing opinions or what the American People want.

But the American people want Obama--they want the fundamental changes he dreams about, namely a statist, socialist country where the majority of people can "feel safe" and be provided for (by stealing from other people, of course, and borrowing from other countries). If they wanted anything different then they would have voted for it. The rest of the world wants him, too--they've even given him awards for accomplishing nothing so far. :rolleyes:

It is going to go just like ObamaCare if they have their way.

Wait until the opposition is voted out of office by those who desire a fundamentally changed America, which obviously means a country that is no longer America. Most Americans don't like America anymore, really--that's how they're taught to think in public schools, anyway. Liberty is not worth a single life, and we must support a government that will provide for us and guide us, sacrificing the freedom of the individual for the overall good of the collective--that's how most Americans are beginning to think. :uhoh: Make no mistake, there is nothing "liberal" about this in the true sense of the word--this is socialism and statism that are desired by a frightened people, plain and simple.

Skribs
December 28, 2012, 12:18 AM
Manco I'm starting to think the same way you are. I hope this doesn't come to civil war, but I can't see anything good coming of this. I am a patriot, but I don't like what's going on with the current administration and the current attitude of most Americans.

Nathan, I agree. Unfornutately I'm never in the know. People in WA, let me know what I can do.

JBrady, I hope it doesn't come to that, but I've been thinking that if they get too aggressive a stance on guns, it might well lead to cessession or something equally drastic. I wish instead that our country can get back to its roots about what it really is about.

tomrkba
December 28, 2012, 12:22 AM
The only way is to organize huge 2A rallies and marches in every major cities in North America. The time to show our rights to bear arms without govt interference is now. It is now or never ! NRA must consider this move to visibly show our protest in case they push for arbitrary gun ban disregarding the voice of many gunowners.

We must do this while open carrying. This is a display of power. Politicians must see their leash. They must understand that this is a very dangerous law for the country.

I know, it stinks. But...they will not leave us alone. Politicians literally feel comfortable openly talking about confiscation! Ridiculous...and I thought I would never see it from a state governor in my lifetime. All I want to do is take my stupid Ruger 10/22 to the range every week and shoot paper at 25 yards.

Remember that guy who had a thigh rig in New Hampshire protesting ObamaCare? Look at the screaming the MSM engaged in after ONE MAN openly carried while protesting! The MSM tried to make people believe they cannot exercise TWO rights simultaneously!

It is time to get out, take days off, and show up or we'll face war. I really do not want to do either, but I prefer to take a few days off than face a few years of war started by some hot heads.

DJW
December 28, 2012, 12:23 AM
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/understanding-obama-the-making-of-a-fuehrer/question-2809247/

1911 guy
December 28, 2012, 12:27 AM
I'll say upfront that I hope I'm wrong and that if this does happen it will end nowhere near the idealistic dreams of anyone cheering for it now: If the government, regardless of who sits in the oval office, continues to throw force and derission at the populace, someone is going to do something stupid and kick off a wave of unrest like we haven't seen in our country since the most violent days of the civil rights erea.

I do agree that the whitehouse is and will continue to use theses petitions as a wedge to exclude the right from any any meaningful debate. Cherry picking is just another method of controlling the discussion, much like debating someone who knows nothing about a given subject but "feels" their opinion has validity in spite of fact. Yammering bliss-ninny anti-gunners, anyone?

My best recommendation is what others have said already. Contact your directly elected representatives and plainly tell them that you expect them to either vote against any legislation or expect to be unemployed next election.

John828
December 28, 2012, 12:28 AM
I started a new petition

HDCamel
December 28, 2012, 12:30 AM
I don't know about civil war or calls to arms just yet, but I think that organizing militias would be a good idea, just in case.

HOOfan_1
December 28, 2012, 12:30 AM
Are you surprised?

It is just like Obama and his sheep to basically say "we don't want to hear what you have to say unless you agree with us".

He says he has heard what we have to say...no he hasn't, his ears are closed.

The guy is going to go down with Andrew Jackson, John Adams and Abraham Lincoln as one of the worst violators of civil liberty.

John828
December 28, 2012, 12:31 AM
a new petition to not close down petitions is here:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/not-close-petitions-may-run-contrary-left-leaning-ideologies-why-was-pro-2a-petition-closed-down/0F9kJyPd

tomrkba
December 28, 2012, 12:33 AM
I don't know about civil war or calls to arms just yet, but I think that organizing militias would be a good idea, just in case.

I certainly hope not. It'll trash my 401k and possibly result in a blown up house.

This is why I want to see massive protests with participants openly carrying (safely, of course). Politicians need to realize that what they're doing goes beyond mere philosophy and that there may be real consequences.

JBrady555
December 28, 2012, 12:35 AM
a new petition to not close down petitions is here:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/not-close-petitions-may-run-contrary-left-leaning-ideologies-why-was-pro-2a-petition-closed-down/0F9kJyPd
Signed

HOOfan_1
December 28, 2012, 12:35 AM
They are right though....it is time to stand up and say ENOUGH..


ENOUGH violations of our rights. ENOUGH nanny state mentality.

ENOUGH Obama....

JBrady555
December 28, 2012, 12:40 AM
I wish instead that our country can get back to its roots about what it really is about.

I hear ya on that skribs. Depending on how you look at things though our country was built fighting oppression similar to what we are dealing with now. This moment is why the founding fathers created the 2A in the first place.

joeschmoe
December 28, 2012, 12:40 AM
I hate to stop anyone who want to get themselves all worked up for nothing, but...


The petition was closed for a reason. The only purpose of the petition is to get an official response. Get the WH to notice it, and maybe respond. That's it. The polls list a "goal" of 25,000. At 31,000 signitures, with a response, from the VP COS... it's done. You did it.
It's not a voting system. That was in November.
Take your rage to your Congressmem, that's thier job.

Okiegunner
December 28, 2012, 12:47 AM
If there is any hint of the impending AWB not making it through congress, then everything will be done by Executive Order. What an incestuous mix of socialism and fascism this admin displays.

Is Socio-facism the new world order? I will not participate in the abandonment of our constitution. I am proud to be an American and ashamed of how our government chooses to rule by dictate.

HOOfan_1
December 28, 2012, 12:49 AM
I hate to stop anyone who want to get themselves all worked up for nothing, but...


The petition was closed for a reason. The only purpose of the petition is to get an official response. Get the WH to notice it, and maybe respond. That's it. The polls list a "goal" of 25,000. At 31,000 signitures, with a response, from the VP COS... it's done. You did it.
It's not a voting system. That was in November.
Take your rage to your Congressmem, that's thier job.

Then why was the one Obama created still up and running well past 30,000?

Trent
December 28, 2012, 12:51 AM
When it comes time to stand, we need to stand together, or get picked off one by one.

Armed marches in every state capitol would be a heck of a fine start. Bring the evil black assault rifles.

Loaded.

No one in their right mind would stand in our way or try to stop us.

SuperNaut
December 28, 2012, 12:52 AM
I hate to stop anyone who want to get themselves all worked up for nothing, but...


The petition was closed for a reason. The only purpose of the petition is to get an official response. Get the WH to notice it, and maybe respond. That's it. The polls list a "goal" of 25,000. At 31,000 signitures, with a response, from the VP COS... it's done. You did it.
Yeah, well they get another one.

Creating a duplicate or similar petition will make it harder for you to get an official response. Instead, sign and help promote the one that has already been created.

Suck it.

22-rimfire
December 28, 2012, 12:58 AM
I bitterly regret cheering when this man got back into office.

Since then I've had a rude awakening as to exactly what this man is.

Sorry Ms Dragon, I found this really humorous. I can not believe that anyone who knows the man would not see this kind of thing coming. They were just waiting for the proper moment. We've arrived at that moment.

As far as a lot of this "talk" going on here.... I will remain silent. I hope our present system continues to work.

JBrady555
December 28, 2012, 01:01 AM
As far as a lot of this "talk" going on here.... I will remain silent. It is time to watch what you say. I hope our present system continues to work.
When will it be time to speak out?

DammitBoy
December 28, 2012, 01:04 AM
As far as a lot of this "talk" going on here.... I will remain silent. I hope our present system continues to work.

Rimfire, simply by belonging to this forum as a member, you've already made an NSA list.

22-rimfire
December 28, 2012, 01:06 AM
I know. But I am not going to make wild accusations. There is a proper time for everything.

joeschmoe
December 28, 2012, 05:01 AM
Then why was the one Obama created still up and running well past 30,000?

Because they have not responded to it yet. The orginal got to 31k, so it's probably due to be closed... and responded to.

That is the goal. To get a response.

joeschmoe
December 28, 2012, 05:03 AM
Yeah, well they get another one.



Suck it.
***?

What part of this is not clear to you?

We invite you to participate in the We the People platform. You may use this platform on the White House website to create and sign petitions that call for the federal government to take action on a range of issues. For each topic included in We the People, you can petition the Administration to address a problem, support or oppose a proposal, or otherwise change or continue federal government policy or actions. As explained below, if a petition meets the signature goal within the designated period, the White House will respond to that petition in a timely fashion.

Ms_Dragon
December 28, 2012, 05:18 AM
Well between the candidates it was a choice between a sleazy lying used car salesman or Obama.

A choice between cancer or dementia.

Who knows what Mittens the spineless flip flopper would have done in this case.

The only candidate who stood a chance against Obama and wouldn't have had a bar of this gun ban nonsense would have been Ron Paul, as I said earlier.

The man has now retired.
The only man who had the vision and the damned backbone to turn your country around by adhering to the very principals your nation was founded on.

wacki
December 28, 2012, 05:42 AM
Lets make our own website and make them listen

wacki
December 28, 2012, 05:52 AM
They can't close this:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/rkba/

wacki
December 28, 2012, 06:26 AM
Time to email Rush, Instapundit, anyone that will listen.

silvermane_1
December 28, 2012, 06:46 AM
this is the the time to stop bickering about whom voted for whom, it is time to stand tall and show that not just us gun owners have something to lose, but all have something to lose, lets hope that this can be done peacefully, and without a call to arms, we cannot compromise or become divided in our cause, we must contact our elected reps, and if that doesn't prove to be practical, then we must peacefully protest, because we cannot let those whom wish to infringe our RKBA to be proven correct on the assumption that we are "violent crazed gun nuts".

mnrivrat
December 28, 2012, 06:53 AM
The official response amounts to "We don't need to hear from any more of you on this issue.". That may be true since the issue is already in front of the Whitehouse, but isn't it important for the Executive to see how many people independently oppose any approval of an AWB?

I don't think they care how many oppose their agenda. It won't change their minds . Your opinion is only relevant if it matches theirs.

Perhaps they closed it because it had reached its goal - but from the response it's pretty clear it didn't mean much to them. I'm not surprised.

ATBackPackin
December 28, 2012, 08:27 AM
***?

What part of this is not clear to you?
The part where petitions FOR gun control are allowed to stay open and ACCUMULATE signatures............to prove THEIR point.

The U.S. people want gun control..........see we have proof with these signatures.:rolleyes:

Jolly Rogers
December 28, 2012, 08:35 AM
I bitterly regret cheering when this man got back into office.

Since then I've had a rude awakening as to exactly what this man is.

Ron Paul wouldn't have done this if he won.
Ms Dragon
Deleted due to snarky post and reread/rethink.
Joe

robert garner
December 28, 2012, 09:05 AM
Sir; you asked for a conversation (dialog)on gun control, However you shut down the petition against gun control,while leaving the petition open for gun control, I have no Idea what this smells like in Chicago,but it smells like **** here.
robert xxxxxx
columbus yyyyyyy
706 zzz aaaa

My letter to the site,enjoy
robert

HOOfan_1
December 28, 2012, 09:28 AM
Because they have not responded to it yet. The orginal got to 31k, so it's probably due to be closed... and responded to.

That is the goal. To get a response.

Umm...yes it was responded to...in the media even.

I think it is pretty CLEAR that Obama has his agenda and doesn't care how many are against his agenda.

SuperNaut
December 28, 2012, 10:45 AM
***?

What part of this is not clear to you?
I understand quite well. I do tech support and I can tell you that the mealy-mouthed "don't start another petition" instruction is pure horse****. If I told my boss that duplicate tech support questions were making it hard to answer the original question, he'd tell me to shut up and do my job.

Justin
December 28, 2012, 10:53 AM
Stay classy, Joey B.

mastiffhound
December 28, 2012, 02:35 PM
This makes me sick to my stomach. The economy, the murder of the 2nd amendment, and seeing all of my fellow Americans AFRAID of what their own government might do to them. I thought governments were supposed to fear their citizens, not citizens are supposed to fear their governments. They have shown that your voice means nothing. I really am very sad to see this going on. What happened to our great nation?

fdashes
December 28, 2012, 02:41 PM
Yea, Mastiffhound

razorback2003
December 28, 2012, 02:49 PM
This is the so called 'compromise' that Obama talks about. He gets everything he wants and you get nothing you want.

I hope the House doesn't pass a single law that guy wants. That would be compromise.

Tirod
December 28, 2012, 03:10 PM
I see theres a gun ban in the horizon , be it hook or crook. They will do it. They got the second mandate and no matter what they will make it happen.

Lot's of they in all that.

We had to deal with much the same attitude in 1774, ya know. Can't do nothing about King George, watch what you say, don't rock the boat.

LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET OUT OF THE WAY.

The rest of us have serious work to do, preaching apathy and non resistance is exactly what the made the Nazi's so successful. If things haven't reached a point of intolerance, then I might suggest that living in a despotic monarchy will likely suit well.

Without getting too far into speculation, I don't really see confiscation happening. There are two other branches in government, right? The gun grab during Katrina got stopped in days. If you think they will go farther than that, then the conversation turns to what risk they are willing to accept if their are unintended consequences.

Studies have shown that politicians are well aware they will not get support from LEO's or the military to any great extent. Let's leave it at that - it would be a last chance gamble, and it's not good. When I swore an oath (three times) to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic, it was followed up within weeks with a long lesson on what is considered an illegal order. 20 million prior service soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines have a pretty good understanding of it.

What you are hearing is political rhetoric, and it's a good example of just how much our elected representatives are willing to trash talk in the current Washington climate. Let your representative know that in clear, impartial terms.

We really should be sending them letters, emails, and filling their inboxes with this.

DammitBoy
December 28, 2012, 04:05 PM
I thought governments were supposed to fear their citizens, not citizens are supposed to fear their governments. They have shown that your voice means nothing. I really am very sad to see this going on. What happened to our great nation?

http://herdingcats.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341ca4d953ef013481cb7b9e970c-800wi

jrmiddleton425
December 28, 2012, 05:16 PM
Someone start a petition to impeach Obama for violation of the First Amendment.

wannabeagunsmith
December 28, 2012, 05:23 PM
Someone give me some email addresses to start with, PLEASE.

Oh, and Trent's armed march idea sounds great. Where are we out there? We need to march

Skribs
December 28, 2012, 06:03 PM
Wannabe, I wrote down the title of the thread to look up when I'm at home, but someone posted a week or two ago some resources on how to find contact info for your government reps. I'll link it after I get home (if I remember).

You can probably also google them, find their website, and get the contact info from there. HSO recommended to me that I contact every level of government, from city to state to country, and all three branches. I'm going to busy this weekend. Luckily we have a powerful tool that wasn't around in 1783 when the constitution was signed (correct me on year if I'm wrong, I'm terrible with dates): the copy+paste buttons.

DJW
December 28, 2012, 06:44 PM
Elect a thug and get thug behavior. No surprise.

gdcpony
December 28, 2012, 06:50 PM
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions/popular/0/2/0/

There are several petitions open related to this. Sign one or all of them.

mljdeckard
December 28, 2012, 06:53 PM
I don't think petitions have much weight in the actions going on here anyway.

gdcpony
December 28, 2012, 07:07 PM
I don't think petitions have much weight in the actions going on here anyway.
I think that enough petitions with their goals met will spell it out. I signed all of the appropriate ones. I recommend doing the same regardless of how much difference it might not make. You never know. It might get a reply that surprises you.

joeschmoe
December 28, 2012, 07:40 PM
I understand quite well. I do tech support and I can tell you that the mealy-mouthed "don't start another petition" instruction is pure horse****. If I told my boss that duplicate tech support questions were making it hard to answer the original question, he'd tell me to shut up and do my job.
That appears on all the petitions.

SuperNaut
December 28, 2012, 09:40 PM
That appears on all the petitions.
Yes, and it is still horse****.

sidheshooter
December 28, 2012, 09:53 PM
The horse manure is the petition getting shut down while many with longer run times and lots more signatures still stand.

I think the thing speaks for itself. Not cool.

Cosmoline
December 28, 2012, 09:56 PM
I'm waiting for the petition that has two words

MOLON LABE

Hokkmike
December 28, 2012, 10:19 PM
Big difference between ramming Obama care through and getting a gun ban done is that they don't have the House of Rep.

We need to play our trump here guys.

TennJed
December 28, 2012, 10:30 PM
If they closed it because it reached 31k, why is there still one on the westboro baptist church that is at 200k

barnbwt
December 28, 2012, 11:25 PM
If they closed it because it reached 31k, why is there still one on the westboro baptist church that is at 200k

Probably because Obama's nuanced position is still evovulating; whereas the response to the gun petition was quite blunt for an administration that so rarely takes a hardened stance against, well, anything.

Oh, and Trent's armed march idea sounds great. Where are we out there? We need to march
"Masses of Armed Dissendents Descend on Capital. Protestors Appear Peaceful, For Now"
"American Opposition Leaders Arrested at Anti-Gun Control Rally"
(from "Russian Opposition Leaders Arrested at Anti-Putin Rally";))

I'd love to do an armed march at this point, too, but Texas bans open carry, and the image is just too damn easy to exploit for emotions from the philosophically challenged in this country. Just look at that guy with the AR at the rally where Obama was speaking this last go-around; you'd think he'd been tackled by security the way the "threat" he posed was trumped up. No, marching around with our legal guns, we'd just be called Nazis.

TCB

Meanwhile, Chicago tallies its 500th murder, and life goes on...At least I heard Rahm blaming "illegal handguns on our streets" as opposed to gun in general. I suppose that's an improvement?

msb45
December 28, 2012, 11:33 PM
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Kim
December 28, 2012, 11:52 PM
I think we need a march of several million. At least 10 million. Leave the guns at home we can come up with something else for legal political theatre. I would go.

Ms_Dragon
December 28, 2012, 11:58 PM
A massed peaceful protest march with banners and signs and leave the guns at home.

The media would like to paint you as bloodthirsty baby killers so the need for calm is very important.

Any sign of aggression or anger on your parts will play directly into the hysterics hands.

HOOfan_1
December 29, 2012, 12:21 AM
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions/popular/0/2/0/

There are several petitions open related to this. Sign one or all of them.

Looking through most of those....I have to say that entire site is a joke....one big troll...

wacki
January 1, 2013, 04:11 PM
Question:

Has obama closed any other petitions within 7 days of being opened?

sherman123
January 1, 2013, 04:53 PM
Does anyone know where I can ind a list of the 120 weapons they are trying to ban?

nyresq
January 1, 2013, 07:08 PM
This is right along the same lines of the obammacare debacle when the house and senet rammed it through without ever know what it said AND the fact 67% of americans were strongly opposed to it. The same pettitions were shut down and taken off the site as well.

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