Doctors' kitchen knives ban call


December 27, 2012, 10:02 PM
A&E doctors are calling for a ban on long pointed kitchen knives to reduce deaths from stabbing.

A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.

They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.

The research is published in the British Medical Journal.

The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all.

They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.

None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.

The researchers said a short pointed knife may cause a substantial superficial wound if used in an assault - but is unlikely to penetrate to inner organs.

In contrast, a pointed long blade pierces the body like "cutting into a ripe melon".

The use of knives is particularly worrying amongst adolescents, say the researchers, reporting that 24% of 16-year-olds have been shown to carry weapons, primarily knives.

The study found links between easy access to domestic knives and violent assault are long established.

French laws in the 17th century decreed that the tips of table and street knives be ground smooth.

A century later, forks and blunt-ended table knives were introduced in the UK in an effort to reduce injuries during arguments in public eating houses.

The researchers say legislation to ban the sale of long pointed knives would be a key step in the fight against violent crime.

"The Home Office is looking for ways to reduce knife crime.

"We suggest that banning the sale of long pointed knives is a sensible and practical measure that would have this effect."

Government response

Home Office spokesperson said there were already extensive restrictions in place to control the sale and possession of knives.

"The law already prohibits the possession of offensive weapons in a public place, and the possession of knives in public without good reason or lawful authority, with the exception of a folding pocket knife with a blade not exceeding three inches.

"Offensive weapons are defined as any weapon designed or adapted to cause injury, or intended by the person possessing them to do so.

"An individual has to demonstrate that he had good reason to possess a knife, for example for fishing, other sporting purposes or as part of his profession (e.g. a chef) in a public place.

"The manufacture, sale and importation of 17 bladed, pointed and other offensive weapons have been banned, in addition to flick knives and gravity knives."

A spokesperson for the Association of Chief Police Officers said: "ACPO supports any move to reduce the number of knife related incidents, however, it is important to consider the practicalities of enforcing such changes."

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December 27, 2012, 10:04 PM
I guess afer all kitchen knives are gone and people will be tearing food with plastic non pointed knives, they will have to ban tools, gardening and agricultural hardware, and also, sticks and stones...

December 27, 2012, 10:08 PM
Think I will hit Wally world tomorrow and stock up to get ahead of the frenzy.

December 27, 2012, 11:52 PM
Think I will hit Wally world tomorrow and stock up to get ahead of the frenzy.

^ LOLOLOL.. ^ lmao... that's funny right there, I don't care who... wait. You were kidding, right? :eek:

December 28, 2012, 12:13 AM
While its something to look at from the angle of "Just how stupid can some people get", I think we need to regard this with some level of perspective.

This was a single group that proposed an idea. It never even made it into the legislative process even in the UK and it seems like the government's response to the group was that they already had enough knife laws. Also, the article is from 2005. The fact that everytime we see this its the same old article relinked suggests to me that this isn't something that they keep trying - it was suggested once, and they were shot down.

Granted, knife carry laws there are pretty bad already, you can go just about anywhere (even here) and find some particular group making a stupid proposal.

December 28, 2012, 08:38 AM
Hope they don't decide to condemn my collection of Schrades,Cases and Opinels!

December 28, 2012, 11:03 AM
Last Updated: Thursday, 26 May, 2005,

You do realize that this is a 2005 article being quoted and that the UK didn't put any laws into place as a result of the "study"?

Still, we see this suggested occasionally in the U.S. and even though it doesn't get any traction it is worth knowing where it came from in the first place.

December 28, 2012, 04:18 PM
I suggest we grind the ends off all screwdrivers

December 28, 2012, 04:36 PM
The British are barking mad in their attempt to ban all weapons, and they have knife bans and are attempting to ban all sharp and pointy knives.

I recall reading in one British on line newspaper of the arrest and conviction of an electrician. He had an “electrical knife”, probably one of those with a spear point blade and a square ended blade, I recall reading the Judge quote “it was something he used in his trade”, the electrician had gone into a knife ban city, to perform electrical work, and he went to jail for it.

The Brit’s have “Bin the knife, save a life” programs.

They are too broke to have a knife "buy back" program, so expect confiscation in the future.

Dr. Sandman
December 29, 2012, 08:47 AM
Is there anywhere in the world that one can go to get away from people who want the government to control every aspect of life? Not the US, not the Uk.

December 29, 2012, 09:51 AM
I suggest we grind the ends off all screwdrivers

Don't forget the scissors.

December 29, 2012, 03:01 PM
When kitchen knives are outlawed - only outlaws will have kitchen knives... well, them and the liberal elite, Gordon Ramsey, Giada De Laurentiis, Martha Stewart, David Gregory et al.

December 29, 2012, 03:37 PM
do you suppose there is enough bubble wrap in the world to keep us all safe?

December 29, 2012, 03:48 PM
They're going to have to learn how to defend themselves against poin-TED sticks!

December 29, 2012, 05:26 PM
When I hear about UK weapon restrictions I am reminded of a funny Monty Python skit where John Cleese is conducting a self-defense class. He asks his class what you would do if you were attacked by a banana-wielding thug. The demonstrator lunges at him with a banana and "BOOM!" John Cleese shoots him with a Webley revolver....Well I think it is funny.:o

December 29, 2012, 07:51 PM
Well if you look at real death statistics, which far be it from the medical community especially in the US to do, doctors kill more people every year than guns and knives combined. Maybe they should recommend banning malpractice...

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