Best Combat/Defense Pistol


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TFIT
December 28, 2012, 12:07 AM
I would like to get experienced opinions on best combat/defense pistols today. This can include any size or caliber, but we recognize that in combat the rifle is the primary offensive weapon while the pistol is purely a defensive/close quarter combat weapon. With that, please let me hear your opinions.

I am a military man with more than 14 years experience. I've trained with the M9, but I like a number of weapons to include the Sig-Sauer P226 MK25, P229, 220, 230, and 245. Glocks (prefer 9MM although I have owned/shot most of them), BHP (Probably my favorite) the ever famous/popular 1911, and the HK MK23. If I had to pick one to go into combat mode with I would go with the P226 MK25. I like the accuracy, reliability and durability of this weapon, although I love the BHP and the Glock 17. What say ye???

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MutinousDoug
December 28, 2012, 12:30 AM
The "Best" combat/defensive pistol would be the one you are most familiar with. Familiarity trumps "accuracy, reliability and durability".
That said, I'd go to war with whatever I was issued in the interest of maintainability and supply and make a point of becoming familiar with whatever that happened to be.

Welcome to the forum.

somerandomguy
December 28, 2012, 12:31 AM
FN FiveSeveN. Don't listen to the 1911 sissies and glock babies. ;)

GRIZ22
December 28, 2012, 12:35 AM
Glock 17 if given my choice.

1911 guy
December 28, 2012, 12:43 AM
Given that we're discussing a combat arm and likely to be restricted to FMJ due to the Hague Accords, I'm going to opt for a .45acp. I'm also going to opt for a 5 to 6 inch barrel to get the most velocity out of a fast burning pistol powder. I'd also opt for a manual safety just because I've seen some people in the military I frankly wouldn't trust with a sharp stick, much less a handgun incapable of being booger-hook resistant. With urban warfare becoming more common and the probability of small unit ambush by prepared ambushers, I'd also opt for *gasp* more capacity than the 1911. Something that comes to mind immediately is the XD model that came with a thumb safety. Forget what model and how long it was offered for.

ba ba booey
December 28, 2012, 12:49 AM
Glock 17
It may not be the best looking, to some it may not be the best handling, but it is accurate, simple, easy to maintain, has a very high (17) magazine capacity and is above all RELIABLE even when neglected.

Sheepdog1968
December 28, 2012, 01:40 AM
I'd probably opt for a 45 caliber Glock with a even higher than 13 mag capacity. I like big bullets.

TAKtical
December 28, 2012, 01:50 AM
I cant believe someone mentioned the fiveseven. Full size glock or 1911, i prefer glock.

Bobson
December 28, 2012, 02:03 AM
If we're talking about carrying a sidearm into a combat zone, or working as an LEO or something similar, I'd like a G17 or G22. If we're talking a concealed EDC for self-defense, a G19 is my best, out of the firearms I've handled and practiced with.

somerandomguy
December 28, 2012, 02:33 AM
I cant believe someone mentioned the fiveseven. Full size glock or 1911, i prefer glock.
Dude, he asked for a combat firearm. The FiveSeveN can shoot through vests, holds standard 20 rounds, and can pretty much punch holes in almost anything. The FiveSeveN is the best handgun in the world imho. And I swear, if someone compares that Keltec PMR30 plastic toy to it one more time...! :p

Edit: Also it has really good accuracy.

Edit2: for the non-believers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqaUO45Pv0E

CountGlockulla
December 28, 2012, 03:12 AM
Glock 19

Bovice
December 28, 2012, 03:34 AM
I like SIGs. That's what I'm going to recommend since you're experienced with them.

TAKtical
December 28, 2012, 04:05 AM
Yeah... Kevlar. Who wears kevlar? Even I have ceramic plates. IIRC the five seven failed to reliably penetrate IIIA and in some tests would not reliably penetrate IIA. The 5.7 is not a magic bullet. It has little recoil, high velocity, and that is all. Ammo is expensive, and not common. If it was THE go to war pistol, I think our military would be using them exclusively. They arent.

777TRUTH
December 28, 2012, 05:08 AM
Best Combat/Defense Pistol

The one you practice with most. PERIOD

Sergei Mosin
December 28, 2012, 08:32 AM
For general issue? The one that's soldier-proof, absolutely reliable, and made by the company which offers the best deal to the government.

vba
December 28, 2012, 09:54 AM
Well, for me and me only, I'd say the 1911. It is the gun I'm most familiar with, as in replacing parts, tuning and shooting.

Derek Zeanah
December 28, 2012, 10:00 AM
1911. If you want higher capacity go with one of the double-stack polymer models.

19-3Ben
December 28, 2012, 10:07 AM
For me personally, M&P9.
BUT, it's going to vary depending on each person's preference and proficiency.

460Kodiak
December 28, 2012, 11:30 AM
but we recognize that in combat the rifle is the primary offensive weapon

Ummm, so I would throw out that as a gun cominity we refrain from calling any rifle an offensive weapon, just because of recent events. The bottom line is that a rifle is a better all around weapon for offense, or defense. Due to accuract, power, and sometimes magazine capacity.

As far as "best combat pistol", there are a lot of ways to measure that. I would suggest the FNP 45. It is designed to opperate similar to a 1911, the 45 acp is a proven defensive round, it will carry 15 rounds in the magazine, and FN makes good guns that last.

However, this answer could change drastically if you feel the 9mm is a better or just as good of a round, or any other caliber for that matter.

To me, the best defense or combat pistol means the best balance of , accuracy, capacity, durability, and reliability, in a full size pistol, in a caliber of your liking.

JMO

The_Armed_Therapist
December 28, 2012, 11:39 AM
I'd personally go with the Glock 20 if I could choose anything for a "sticky" situation. That said, I don't own one. I'd like to eventually, but not at the moment.

Tcruse
December 28, 2012, 12:41 PM
Glock 17 - 9mm standard ammo, long enough barrel to get max performance, simple to operate (no external safety to deal with), very reliable, will take a lot of abuse.

Now, for a hammer fired 9mm, I would recommend the Baby Desert Eagle 2. DA trigger action heavy and long enough so that the safety can be left off and bullet chambered. SA trigger good, accuracy good. Close to CZ75 but better.

Ky Larry
December 28, 2012, 12:52 PM
CZ-75 in 9mm. Reliable,easy to use, accurate, and will absolutely eat anything you feed it.

Skribs
December 28, 2012, 12:57 PM
While I have recently seen gel results that suggest the 5.7x28mm ammo out of a pistol may penetrate less than the FBI recommends, for a combat weapon it makes sense in that it punches through armor better than a lot of other handgun rounds. Besides, 20 rounds and lower recoil makes for better suppressive fire, and the flat trajectory makes it better at long range.

If you're talking about special ops, maybe a .45 would be better, probably in a 1911 or 2011 with a threaded barrel. No worries about whether it's subsonic or supersonic.

If you're talking self defense, I believe there is nothing better than a polymer-framed striker-fired pistol in 9mm. They're cheap, reliable, and they work.

ETA: For use with a riot shield, I'd vote an 8-shot .357 revolver (S&W being the better option, Taurus being on the list), or maybe the Rhino.

Chunky
December 28, 2012, 01:06 PM
Well according to us, that'll be the Gen 4 G17.
We have just completed trials that included most major 9mm Semi Autos.
We have used the Browning HP forever, and recently we bought Sig P226 as a stop gap for operations (although SF have used 226&229 for years)

Here's what was trialled
There was a few to start with:

S&W M&P9
Steyr M9
Sig P226 (Enhanced)
Sig Pro
Glock 17 Gen 3 and 4
FNP 9
H&K P30
Beretta Px4
HS2000 (inc a compact version)

So some time between now and April we'll be taking delivery of a large qty of shiny new Glocks as the new combat pistol for the British Armed Forces.

jdh
December 28, 2012, 01:13 PM
Defensive, the one you have with you when you need it.

Combat, the one you were issued (because with out a signed document authorizing you to have something else you are in deep do do).

Skribs
December 28, 2012, 01:27 PM
Jdh, I don't like those cryptic answers to hardware questions. "Devensive = the one you have with you"...well, at the time of the encounter, yes. But if you're trying to figure out what hardware to bring in case of a defensive encounter, then the question matters.

If I were looking for my first gun and I asked "what's the best gun?" and I got "what you have with you" or "what you shoot best", I'd be like "well I don't have anything with me" or "well I don't have experience, so I don't know what I shoot best". There may not be one correct answer, but a blanket statement like this does nothing to help the person pick out their hardware.

It would be like if I were asking what attire to wear to a party, and the answer is "what everyone else is wearing." I won't know that until I'm there, but you can ask questions like "male or female? what type of party? is there a dress code?" to help me narrow it down.

otasan56
December 28, 2012, 02:31 PM
With several 17-round magazines filled with WW 115grJHP+p+ rounds,

golden
December 28, 2012, 03:14 PM
TFIT,

I have carried several of the pistols you mentioned on duty and they are ALL GOOD. Carry the one that shoots best for you and fits the need.

The SIG 226 and BERETTA 92 are large guns and can be concealed, but not as easily as the 229. I do not beleive in COCKED & LOCKED carry, so the High Power and 1911 are out for me.

I have found that the BERETTA 92 and 92 Compact, GLOCK 19 or 17, SIG 226 and 229, SPRINGFIELD ARMORY XD and WALTHER P99 all fill the title of BEST DEFENSIVE PISTOL for me. I would use any one of them without reluctance.

I have found them all reliable, easy to maintain, accurate enough, and ergonomically friendly.

I would also add the SIG 225, which shoots really well for me, but many of the POLICE TRADE IN models floating around will not feed hollow point ammo and the SIG 232 which I simply love for concealed carry. The only weakness on the 232 is the low power ammo, .380ACP.

Jim

Hit_Factor
December 28, 2012, 03:18 PM
9mm Glock, and after that one of my double stack STI 2011. Glock would be my choice for a long term problem.

BigJimP
December 28, 2012, 04:10 PM
Combat weapon...I'd go with a Sig 226 ...in either 9mm or .40S&W ...if I had an option/ if no option - I'd go with 9mm.

Civilian Defensive Handgun....I'd go with a 5" 1911 ...either in 9mm or .45 acp...

fxstchewy
December 28, 2012, 04:45 PM
Glock 17 because that is what i used to have before that "boating" issue.

mljdeckard
December 28, 2012, 06:47 PM
I was issued a Beretta. That doesn't mean it's the best.

I far prefer the 1911. Given the choice, I would take my commemorative Para Double-Stack. For my soldiers who have limited training and resources, I would issue Glock 17s or 19s.

Day one in my time as Secretary of Defense.

Plan2Live
December 28, 2012, 09:05 PM
I'd say the full size Springfield XDm in 9mm. It has everything the G-line has plus a loaded chamber indicator and cocked striker indicator which are both visual and tactile. Those could come in handy in a darkened environment or when keeping quiet is essential making this a better option than a press check. The grip safety gives users with limited experience one more level of safety. Plus, it can be field stripped without pulling the trigger which again, based on the limited user experience acid test, is one less thing to worry about from a safety standpoint.

Skribs
December 28, 2012, 09:07 PM
Mjldeckard, if I were secretary of defense, I'd determine that there are two types of soldiers: those with limited training, and those who might benefit from having a pistol. For the former, there would just be the rifle and spare ammo. If you have limited training, train with that. For the later, it would be up to the unit to decide based on mission requirements what they want.

michiganfan
December 28, 2012, 09:23 PM
Glock. End of story

rswartsell
December 28, 2012, 09:39 PM
OH for the love of God!

Another unanswerable, unprovable brand/caliber/model war!

The plain fact is there are many that could fit the description and no-one can definitively relieve you of the responsibility of finding which of the many options answers the bell for YOU.

Mauser lover
December 28, 2012, 10:21 PM
^^^^ What he said!!!

Also, what post two says!
For me, that is a revolver. For some people it is a GLOCK, for others, it is a 1911. You must go with what you feel to be right (in this case).

jdh
December 28, 2012, 10:22 PM
Skribs,

The problem is there is no such thing as universal best. What is perfect for me and my situation may be totally wrong for you and yours. So in an attempt to answer your question in an manner you may find acceptable I will tell you what I told customers of the gun shop I used to work for who were new to guns.

Find a range that rents guns. Try as many different types as you can and find one that fits you, that has controls that you can reach and operate positively and consistently, with which you can hit what you aim at, and you can afford to periodically practice with enough to maintain a high state of proficiency. This may help you to not make a $1000 mistake.

Any gun from a major manufacturer will be more accurate than most people can shoot it and of a quality of manufacture to outlast the owner.

You want to pin me down to an answer, CZ-75.

bannockburn
December 28, 2012, 10:57 PM
If I had the option of choosing what's the best combat pistol I could have (and I'm thinking battlefield environment here), then it would probably be a SIG P229. Fits my hand well, is extremely reliable and well made, and very capable in terms of accuracy.

If the situation changes where I'm now in a HD/SD/CCW setting, then I would opt for a Colt Commander or something else along those lines as it's something I'm very familar and comfortable with using.

JShirley
December 28, 2012, 11:07 PM
The sidearm is the best concealable reactive weapon.

The carbine is the best individual defensive weapon. If there is no need to conceal it, a carbine is superior to a sidearm for defense or CQB/MOUT.

Revolvers are completely unworkable as combat sidearms in the US military, due to carry options, reload speed, capacity, and fragility.

John

460Kodiak
December 29, 2012, 11:00 AM
This one............

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=176275&d=1355778573

Roadking Rider
December 29, 2012, 11:26 AM
CZ-75 in 9mm. Reliable,easy to use, accurate, and will absolutely eat anything you feed it.
...........................................................................................................
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Love the 75b but I like the PO-1 a little better.

Deer_Freak
December 29, 2012, 01:13 PM
If I was in combat I would ditch the pistol for more rifle ammo. A pistol is just something to buy enough time to get a rifle.

Roadking Rider
December 29, 2012, 01:23 PM
I think we'd all rather have a rifle, but the question was what pistol? When pistol was mentioned I took it as what pistol as a side arm, as only a fool would take a pistol into battle as a primary weapon.

JShirley
December 29, 2012, 04:51 PM
460, that appears to be the worst of all words: the unwieldyness of an overlong pistol, with the blast of a short-barreled rifle, not counter-balanced by the weight and support of a stock.

Jenrick
December 29, 2012, 05:56 PM
General issue has a whole logistics and training trail behind it that I'm not going to worry about. My personal choice if I was going to be dropped in a hostile environment with an indefinate stay would be a striker fired pistol in 9mm. Personal preference would go to my trusty G34.

A striker fired pistol had less likely hood of a firing pin being impinged due to environmental conditions (full submersion in less then clear water, beach sand, or helo insertion can all lock up the firing pin on pistol with the hammer back). It can still happen, but the design of the weapon usually makes this less likely. 9mm as I can carry a lot of it for little weight. Yes there is the question of effectiveness, when actually striking a target. However as any study of combat will tell you, less then 1% of all rounds fired strike their intended target. I'd rather have more rounds available then less.

The G34 is chosen over say a G17 or G19 simply because I'm very familiar with my G34.

-Jenrick

Rezin
December 29, 2012, 07:25 PM
My "go to" is my G19.

Plan2Live
December 29, 2012, 07:55 PM
My "Go To" is an XDm Compact or a Sig Sauer 239, that doesn't make either the best choice based on the OP's question. But the reasons I posted earlier regarding the XDm go along way to supporting my position.

obx-shooter
December 29, 2012, 08:12 PM
I've carried a 1911 in combat and that would NOT be my first choice.(We had the choice of 1911s or revolvers and virtually every officer and NCO in the unit eventually chose a revolver)

I must be the only "lifer" that likes the M9. For me it is reliable and accurate. I also own a Sig P226. Lighter than the M9 (every ounce counts when you live with a piece of equipment 24/7/365), equally accurate and reliable. A reasonable choie.

But my choice would be a gun I don't own but have carried enough to be familiar. That is the Glock 19. The ideal combination of accuracy, reliability, firepower and weight for a combat service pistol IMHO...

ColeK
December 29, 2012, 08:14 PM
For me and for only me, I'd say the 1911. It is the gun I'm most familiar with, as in replacing parts, tuning and shooting and I would carry two of them!!!
I might also carry a .357 Mag as a backup!!!

Byrd666
December 29, 2012, 08:46 PM
Sig.

460Kodiak
December 29, 2012, 09:03 PM
460, that appears to be the worst of all words: the unwieldyness of an overlong pistol, with the blast of a short-barreled rifle, not counter-balanced by the weight and support of a stock.

Yeah, I was only kidding Shirley. Even though the ATF calls it a pistol, it is still a SBR to me. Though I wouldn't say "The worst of all worlds". With the Magpul single point sling I have for it, it actually stabilizes pretty fast on take up.

Again, I was joking. I gave my serious answer earlier.

Hunter2678
December 29, 2012, 09:18 PM
Sig P220, Sig P226, or a quality 1911...

JShirley
December 29, 2012, 09:32 PM
Okay, Kodiak.

doc2rn
December 29, 2012, 09:46 PM
In order of personal preference Colt Python, FNP-9, BHP, Colt 1911 YMMV.

obx-shooter
December 29, 2012, 10:36 PM
The VNAF (Vietnamese Air Force) issued their pilots Colt Pythons...

Deer_Freak
December 29, 2012, 11:13 PM
For pistols that I have handled I would go with a Ruger P95. It has proved it can stand dust and foreign objects in it and it still fires. I have dropped mine getting off the 4 wheeler. I checked to see if the muzzle was clear and emptied it out. Mud has no effect on it. Tank crews are issued the P95 and in the event berretta can't make enough guns the P95 is the second choice for the army. If you notice many officers carry the P95. The P95 is pretty well sealed to prevent sand and dust from getting into the action.

S&Wfan
December 29, 2012, 11:35 PM
S&w 625

TFIT
December 29, 2012, 11:43 PM
Well according to us, that'll be the Gen 4 G17.
We have just completed trials that included most major 9mm Semi Autos.
We have used the Browning HP forever, and recently we bought Sig P226 as a stop gap for operations (although SF have used 226&229 for years)

Here's what was trialled
There was a few to start with:

S&W M&P9
Steyr M9
Sig P226 (Enhanced)
Sig Pro
Glock 17 Gen 3 and 4
FNP 9
H&K P30
Beretta Px4
HS2000 (inc a compact version)

So some time between now and April we'll be taking delivery of a large qty of shiny new Glocks as the new combat pistol for the British Armed Forces.
I am very interested in your post. I find that the G17 Gen 4 is a superb weapon, and I was surprised at how proficient I was with it. I'm actually considering making it my primary carry weapon over the Sig MK25. For some reason, it just shoots better for me. I sometimes get too fast with my pull for the MK25 trigger to reset, and I don't have that problem with the G17 Gen 4. I'm actually excited to learn the British are going with this weapon!

TFIT
December 29, 2012, 11:47 PM
OH for the love of God!

Another unanswerable, unprovable brand/caliber/model war!

The plain fact is there are many that could fit the description and no-one can definitively relieve you of the responsibility of finding which of the many options answers the bell for YOU.
Giving an opinion is your option. You don't have to be a jerk, but that is also your choice, isn't it.

TFIT
December 29, 2012, 11:49 PM
This one............

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=176275&d=1355778573
NICE!!!

TFIT
December 29, 2012, 11:50 PM
I think we'd all rather have a rifle, but the question was what pistol? When pistol was mentioned I took it as what pistol as a side arm, as only a fool would take a pistol into battle as a primary weapon.
Yeah...

TFIT
December 29, 2012, 11:56 PM
Thanks for all the input. I'm seeing a lot of likes for the CZ-75. Although I've never shot one, I admit they do look really cool, and it fit the hand well when I held it in the store. As I stated, I have experience with several platforms and have for a while stuck with the P226; however, after spending time with the G17 Gen 4 I am seriously considering making it my new primary. Although the BHP is a great weapon and fits my hand perfectly, I don't really like the "Cocked-N-Carry" mode. I have become quite accustomed to the consistent trigger pull of the Glock, and although I've used the M&P & FNS (Really like both), the G17 Gen 4 has just worked its way into my top choice. It just works, I can shoot fast and hit the target with it, and it is at least half as expensive as the MK25. I may just have to go with the G17 Gen 4. Thanks again for all the input. Some good reads.

460Kodiak
December 30, 2012, 01:42 AM
I've always been curious about the PARA double stack 45, 1911's. That may weigh in for me, but I have no experience with one.

asia331
December 30, 2012, 02:09 AM
Don't listen to the 1911 sissies and glock babies.

1911 sissy here; works for me with an SP101 .357 as a back-up. Outside of town on the trails during my walk-abouts I'll swap the 1911 for a GP100 or S&W 25

Deer_Freak
December 30, 2012, 05:34 AM
1911 sissy here; works for me with an SP101 .357 as a back-up. Outside of town on the trails during my walk-abouts I'll swap the 1911 for a GP100 or S&W 25
I like something with a long barrel and a lot more reliable than any gun listed in the woods. A bear can bite a Ruger Blackhawk and it will still function. I am not sure a Glock or a 1911 is that durable. Loaded with a cast gas check bullet one can create some hot loads that are accurate.

PabloJ
December 30, 2012, 11:00 AM
I would like to get experienced opinions on best combat/defense pistols today. This can include any size or caliber, but we recognize that in combat the rifle is the primary offensive weapon while the pistol is purely a defensive/close quarter combat weapon. With that, please let me hear your opinions.

I am a military man with more than 14 years experience. I've trained with the M9, but I like a number of weapons to include the Sig-Sauer P226 MK25, P229, 220, 230, and 245. Glocks (prefer 9MM although I have owned/shot most of them), BHP (Probably my favorite) the ever famous/popular 1911, and the HK MK23. If I had to pick one to go into combat mode with I would go with the P226 MK25. I like the accuracy, reliability and durability of this weapon, although I love the BHP and the Glock 17. What say ye???
The MK23 was my first pistol and I'm happy to say I sold it at no loss. Something so absurd could only be conceived by US military think heads. Another giant waste of tax payer money is the MK25 they should have been issued Rugers.
I would rate G24 best weapon for a drop holster. I just wish I knew of it's existence before flipping through pages of The Gun Digest Book of the Glock by Sweeney. Have I picked G24 in first place lot of money would have stayed in my wallet.

eldon519
December 30, 2012, 11:12 AM
.50 AE Desert Eagle, preferably in Chrome or Gold. I think style is extremely important on the battle field. Possibly the most important.

I suppose I might take a Glock 17 if I could get the slide Gold plated.

PabloJ
December 30, 2012, 11:16 AM
Yes in Middle East duels style count for a whole lot. Desert Eagle along with Gucci boots are the way to go.

PabloJ
December 30, 2012, 11:18 AM
NICE!!!
Selective fire AKSU 7.62x39 with skeleton folding stock would do great for "room cleaning chores". Big round table could be wiped clean with just one 40 round magazine. It's a blessing civilians can't own those w/o jumping through high official fences.

Hit_Factor
December 30, 2012, 11:33 AM
I suppose I might take a Glock 17 if I could get the slide Gold plated.

Search up the GOLD TITANIUM NITRITE coatings. Far more durable than gold and probably less expensive. One of my competition guns has the barrel coated with this stuff, it's very durable. Almost 5000 rounds of 9mm Major and not sign of wear.

I know you said this in jest.

bikerdoc
December 30, 2012, 11:47 AM
1911 sissy here

Yep, 1911 here, followed closely by an M9.

The 1911 I was issued in 68 was rattly, cosmetically ugly, missing a lot of bluing, but it worked and worked well. It is the reason I am sitting here.

otasan56
December 30, 2012, 01:39 PM
Glock 17 - 9mm standard ammo, long enough barrel to get max performance, simple to operate (no external safety to deal with), very reliable, will take a lot of abuse.

Now, for a hammer fired 9mm, I would recommend the Baby Desert Eagle 2. DA trigger action heavy and long enough so that the safety can be left off and bullet chambered. SA trigger good, accuracy good. Close to CZ75 but better.
That is correct. I trust my 3rd Gen G17 with my life. I load it with 17 rounds of WW JHP+p+ 115gr cartridges. It will take more than a dozen bandits to take me down.

eldon519
December 30, 2012, 05:59 PM
I know you said this in jest.

You thought wrong. I am extremely serious about my bling and precious metals. It is one thing to best an opponent, an entirely higher level of humiliation to do so while looking better than them. When the Husseins spoke, I listened.
;)

Tomorrow I shall have all of my guns gold titanium nitride coated. I hope the supply of GTN has not been affected by the buying spree.

jdh
December 30, 2012, 06:32 PM
There is a quote from the second Resident Evil movie that comes to mind here but I would get banned for language if I posted it.

Vern Humphrey
December 30, 2012, 06:37 PM
I've carried two handguns in combat, a Colt M357 and an M1911A1. The .357 was highly effective, but required constant babying and had to be squeeky clean. So my nod goes to the M1911A1.

TimboKhan
December 30, 2012, 06:57 PM
First acknowledging there is no one right answer to this question, for an overall answer I would have to say a 1911. For all the legitimate gripes with it, they point well, .45's are a fantastic combat round, and they are ubiquitous.

I own a 1911 and like it, but personally my bedside gun is my XD, which would be closely followed by my S&W 66. I like my XD over my 1911 because the XD has a light rail, and while a light on a gun might not be a necessity, I strongly believe in them. My 66 because I think the .357 is, in fact, the best all-around combat handgun round available.

BLACKHAWKNJ
December 30, 2012, 11:47 PM
I distinguish between "combat"-SE Asia in my case-and "defense"-in your own home. A "combat" pistol must be reliable and be able to hold up in less than optimum conditions-hence the dust tests that the M1911 had to go through. The M1911 is as close we come to the THE pistol to fill that role with the Brownhing HP a very close second. For "defense"-in my case it's my trusty Colt Trooper .357, my S&W M-27 4" and my Dan Wesson Model 15.

Ehtereon11B
December 31, 2012, 05:02 AM
If I were able to choose, I would go to war with an HK USP or Mod 0 V1 trigger in .40 or .45ACP. More towards the .40 for the higher capacity.

1911s are kinda picky for overseas grungy conditions. And don't even get me started on Glocks. There is a reason why they aren't the main service pistol for any premier military.
Five Seven is a joke of a round. SIG would make a good duty pistol depending on the user preference.

RetiredUSNChief
December 31, 2012, 05:35 AM
As you've probably gathered by now, there is no "best".

What there is, however, is a large variety of options available for you to choose from based on many different factors, such as (but not limited to) caliber, capacity, velocity, bullet types, availablity, and personal taste.

My advice is to find something you like, make the purchase, get intimately familiar with it, and put in lots of range time with it.

And then remember that this one pistol you just bought need not be your ONLY pistol...just the first of many, if you so choose.

:):)

otasan56
December 31, 2012, 09:05 AM
When I got my G17 in Oct1989, I was an M1911A1 owner, and I thought that the G17 looked odd. But the oddness wore away with each magazine of faultless performance. After over 23 years of match-shooting and CCW service, the G17 has never malfunctioned. We are talking tens of thousands of rounds fired. It has always preformed accurately. I can easily rely on my G17, and I had it converted to 3rd Gen to get the rail three years ago. Next will be a flashlight and laser pointer. :D

TFIT
January 1, 2013, 02:36 AM
I purchased the Steyr C9-A1 today, and it is really smooth! I also purchased a Springfield Armory 1911-A1 almost identical to the ones we used on the ship. Believe it or not, two local gun stores were fresh out of the G17, which is what I was looking for, but I will get one as soon as they restock. That said, if anyone has not tried one of the Steyr models, I highly recommend it!!!

No need to recommend the 1911 as I think we all agree it is well tested and proven to be one of the all time best pistols ever generated. I've gone away from the .40 cal all together. Given the legendary stopping power of the .45, and the new technology today in the 9MM, I think either of these rounds are more than enough given the situation.

Thanks again for all the feedback! Please, keep'em coming! :-)

Rockyriver
January 1, 2013, 12:02 PM
I was a dyed in the wool Glock fan, but after using a M&P 9 and a M&P 40 both in the 4.25 inch barrel and in Pro Series, I switched over too the M&P.
The M&P are like updated or a more modern advanced Glock.
Try one and you will see.

TFIT
January 1, 2013, 05:46 PM
I was a dyed in the wool Glock fan, but after using a M&P 9 and a M&P 40 both in the 4.25 inch barrel and in Pro Series, I switched over too the M&P.
The M&P are like updated or a more modern advanced Glock.
Try one and you will see.
I do like the M&P. I had the 9mm and the .45, and really liked them both. But they just don't fit my hand quite as well as the Glock Gen 4s. As soon as I can get another G17, I'm going to. Now don't get me wrong, I'd go into combat with either the M&P or the Glock, but if I had a choice I'd go with the G17 everytime. Now I should also clarify that the 1911 I purchased was one of the reproduction GI 1911-A1 models by Springfield Amory. It is as close to one of the originals as you can buy today. It feels great in my hand, and I cannot wait to unleash it on the range. I also have to say I am really liking the Steyr C9-A1! What a great feeling gun, and it was as smooth as the Glock 19 Gen 4. No kidding! Try one just to see how they shoot if nothing else. :-)

TFIT
January 1, 2013, 05:54 PM
As you've probably gathered by now, there is no "best".

What there is, however, is a large variety of options available for you to choose from based on many different factors, such as (but not limited to) caliber, capacity, velocity, bullet types, availablity, and personal taste.

My advice is to find something you like, make the purchase, get intimately familiar with it, and put in lots of range time with it.

And then remember that this one pistol you just bought need not be your ONLY pistol...just the first of many, if you so choose.

:):)
Hey Chief! I'm a Navy guy myself. Did 12 yrs active duty, and in the reserves now. I agree with you, there is no "best". It depends on what you're facing as you said. For me, I think the 9MM is best for most situations today, especially given the advances made in ammunition technology. I really like the new Hornady Critical Duty. I also like Speer Gold Dot, which is what I'm told most police officers use today. My cousin is a cop, and that's what he uses. Also, my Chief is a LT Deputy Sheriff, and I believe he uses the same in his newly issued G21 .45. He really doesn't like the G21 b/c it is such a huge handful, but he deals with it. They previously used the .40 Glock either 22/23. He really liked the .40, but in my trials I have just come to get away from it. It is such a snappy round in my hands, and I'm more accurate with the 9MM and the .45. I carry the 9MM and keep the .45 for my general purpose home defense gun. Push comes to shove, I may switch it up a little, but I spend a lot of time at the range and dry fire exercies. Thanks for your input, Chief! What's the old saying...when all else fails, do what the Chief said first. ;-) Have a great day, Chief!

TFIT
January 1, 2013, 06:04 PM
If I were able to choose, I would go to war with an HK USP or Mod 0 V1 trigger in .40 or .45ACP. More towards the .40 for the higher capacity.

1911s are kinda picky for overseas grungy conditions. And don't even get me started on Glocks. There is a reason why they aren't the main service pistol for any premier military.
Five Seven is a joke of a round. SIG would make a good duty pistol depending on the user preference.
Actually, I was just told the British Armed Forces just purchased several thousand G17s to replace their current issue sidearm. I know the HKs are great guns loved by many, but they are just not for me. Too bulky for me. I like Sig, but have recently given place to the new Gen 4 Glocks. I really, really like the new trigger system on this model, and I have proven to be very proficient with one in my hands. I had the SOCOM MK23 but got rid of it b/c it was just too darn big for any good use. It was accurate and was fairly smooth, but just too dang big! LOL

I've settled on the Glock Gen4 G17 and/or 19. The only reason I have the Steyr now is b/c no Gen 4s are available at the moment due to mass hysteria over the gun control freaks. But you can bet as soon as they hit the store again, I'm going to have one. Thanks for your input! :-)

TFIT
January 1, 2013, 06:14 PM
I distinguish between "combat"-SE Asia in my case-and "defense"-in your own home. A "combat" pistol must be reliable and be able to hold up in less than optimum conditions-hence the dust tests that the M1911 had to go through. The M1911 is as close we come to the THE pistol to fill that role with the Brownhing HP a very close second. For "defense"-in my case it's my trusty Colt Trooper .357, my S&W M-27 4" and my Dan Wesson Model 15.
I have to say that as far as pure feel, nothing beats the 1911. At least for me. The ONLY thing I hold against the 1911 is capacity. Still, they are quite proven platforms for combat. I also like the BHP. Great guns! I guess I have gone through a number of guns over the last several months in the endeavor to decide on my "primary". I've worked with the M&P 9 and .45, Glock Gen4 17, 19, 22, 27, Sig P220, P226 (9MM & .40), P229, FNS 9, BHP, Colt 1911, as well as the SOCOM MK23 (actually this was more of a novalty purchase), and as I've said, the Glock Gen4 G17 is mine, followed closely by the G19. One of the major deciding factors, believe it or not, is the new trigger system. The Glock Gen4 has a new trigger system that allows for quicker reset, and I can put a lot of bullets down range in very short order. I've also become very proficient at this. I noticed after working with the new Gen4 17, I've gotten so used to that trigger pull that when shooting Sig P226 MK25, I pull the trigger too fast for the Sigs to have time to reset, and I start misfiring as a result. You know how you lunge when the gun doesn't fire when you pull the trigger? LOL! It took me a minute to figure out that I was so accustomed to the trigger reset of the Glock Gen4 that I wasn't allowing the Sigs enough time to reset before I was trying to pull the trigger again. It actually became a recurring problem for me, which really hurt my feelings b/c I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Sig P226. But as the result, I compared the two (P226 vs G17) at the range, and the only logical answer was to switch to the G17. I'm just very smooth with it, and now I'm too jerky with the P226. Of all the weapons I've worked with, the G17 just feels more like an extention of my hand than any other model, although I will say the Steyr has impressed me. I also love the capacity of the Glocks (recognizing several have similar capacity-just not quite as comforable as the G17/19 to me) and their proven reliability and durability is second to none. I know I can pull this tool and go to work. I don't have to fool with thumb safeties or DA/SA conversions. I don't have to worry about accidental discharges (just keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot) and I love its low profile signature. At the end of it all, Glock Gen4 G17 just works for me. :-)

RetiredUSNChief
January 2, 2013, 10:47 AM
Hey Chief! I'm a Navy guy myself. Did 12 yrs active duty, and in the reserves now. I agree with you, there is no "best". It depends on what you're facing as you said. For me, I think the 9MM is best for most situations today, especially given the advances made in ammunition technology. I really like the new Hornady Critical Duty. I also like Speer Gold Dot, which is what I'm told most police officers use today. My cousin is a cop, and that's what he uses. Also, my Chief is a LT Deputy Sheriff, and I believe he uses the same in his newly issued G21 .45. He really doesn't like the G21 b/c it is such a huge handful, but he deals with it. They previously used the .40 Glock either 22/23. He really liked the .40, but in my trials I have just come to get away from it. It is such a snappy round in my hands, and I'm more accurate with the 9MM and the .45. I carry the 9MM and keep the .45 for my general purpose home defense gun. Push comes to shove, I may switch it up a little, but I spend a lot of time at the range and dry fire exercies. Thanks for your input, Chief! What's the old saying...when all else fails, do what the Chief said first. ;-) Have a great day, Chief!

Good to hear from another Sailor!

Yeah, there is a lot more to any gun than "the best". Much of "the best" is subjective.

For instance, if the gun doesn't fit your hand well then many of the other characteristics are a moot point, no matter how good they may seem.

From a concealed carry viewpoint, if the gun is so large that the key word "concealed" does not apply, then it's not "the best" for that role.

If one cannot control the recoil of the weapon reliably, then it is not "the best" for that person.

Yes, there ARE some objective perspectives on "the best"...but even then, most of these vary conditionally. For example, I'm of the opinion that, while a large caliber magnum is a most excellent round for personal protection, it is a somewhat less than optimal choice as your primary personal protection weapon in a large, crowded apartment complex in the middle of a city.


At some point, every person must make their decision on what to buy and what to carry based on their personal desires and needs under their specific circumstances. And then they must practice, practice, practice.

:):)

Roadking Rider
January 2, 2013, 01:29 PM
I'm also a Navy Vet (66 -69). I agree the best is only that persons opinion and what works for them. Certainly nothing written in stone and to be taken as gospel.

Girodin
January 2, 2013, 03:03 PM
Given that we're discussing a combat arm and likely to be restricted to FMJ due to the Hague Accords

If you are an American you are not limited by the 1899 Hague Convention Declaration III On The Use of Bullets That Expand or Flatten Easily. The US is not a party to it. Further in most of the conflicts the US is a participant in that treaty would not apply even if the US were a party. If you have ever read that document it applies by its terms only to conflicts between parties. Thus if both sides are not parties to the treaty, it has no applicability. It further means that the treaty is only applicable to International armed combat and has no applicability to non international armed conflict. This is a very very important legal distinction. Much of what the US is involved in could be categorized as NIAC not IAC.

If the US is required to use non expanding or hollow point ammunition it is as a result of that prescription being customary international law. Within IAC it could be argued that the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, which the US had signed but not ratified may prohibit the US from using such ammunition.

The proscription on hollow point or expanding ammunition is greatly misunderstood and I think I am yet to see it discussed on this forum without glaring misinformation.

Rexster
January 2, 2013, 07:24 PM
I place a premium on fit and ergonomics. I think the person who designed the original (pre-Hogue) Ruger GP100 factory grip may actually be an identical twin, from whom I was mysteriously separated at birth. If I could have only one handgun, for all purposes to include fighting, it would be a 4" to 6" GP100. This is my personal idea of absolute best. What is best for me may not be best for another.

Of course, I recognize there are other handguns that are really, really good, and in fact good enough for me to carry into a fight. (Fighting is best done with rifles and other long guns, but this is a pistol discussion.) I recognize the usefulness of faster reloading possible with autos. I started handgunning with a 1911 auto, thinking at the time revolvers were quaint, and still think a properly set-up 1911 to be almost tied for best, for me. I must have a perfect, or near-perfect grip on a 1911, to realize best accuracy, however, while a GP100 is more forgiving in that regard. So, the GP100 remains best for me, with the 1911 second-best.

My duty SIG P229R DAK is a darned good pistol, but I can have bad days with it, and be disappointed in my accuracy, especially if my grip is off just a bit. (The P229 is quite accurate; I am meaning my ability to shoot it consistently, under stress.) Moreover, it has pronounced muzzle flip, with the snappy .40 ammo, and has become a torture device. I once thought the P229 to be a best pistol, but not for me, anymore, as infirmities that come with age have changed the equation. The pistol did not change; I changed.

I recently bought a Glock G17, knowing it is a very good pistol, second to none, when it was thought my chief would sign-off on a policy change allowing 9mm as a duty pistol cartridge, in the 9mm counterparts of our currently-authorized .40 pistols. This would be kinder and gentler to my aging,
aching wrist. Well, the policy is not yet changed, but the G17 is a really, really good pistol. It cannot,
however, be best for me, because it is not really a handgun, but a hands-gun. I have fairly large
hands, but relatively short-to-medium thumbs and fingers, so I can only do my best work with two hands on a Glock.

These four pistols, and yes, a revolver is a pistol*, are all "best" pistols.

*We Texians, and yes, I spelled Texian correctly, remember the tremendous advantage that Sam Colt's Revolving Pistols gave us when facing Comanche lances and the lances and single-shot firearms of the Mexican Army, back when Mexico thought the Nueces River was the national boundary. Revolvers are pistols! :)

Dr.Rob
January 3, 2013, 04:30 AM
When I got around to buying a 'serious' pistol I picked the Browning Hi-Power.

It's seen a lot of action all over the world, and like the 1911 can be customized, unlike the sturdy but 'one size fits all' Glock. Newer polymer guns have addressed the issue with grips/backstrap that are modular, but they weren't available when I was shopping.

I just shoot it better than my 1911's.

Glockedout17
January 3, 2013, 11:01 AM
A Sig P229, and a Glock 19 would be my first two choices. A 33 round mag in a Glock 19 will definitely make it combat ready.

Girodin
January 3, 2013, 12:27 PM
It's seen a lot of action all over the world, and like the 1911 can be customized, unlike the sturdy but 'one size fits all' Glock.

Actually glocks and other polymer guns can be customized in various ways, from grip and frame shape, to mag well work, to trigger, to beaver tails, to controls such as mag release, and slide stop/release, to slide work, etc. How much of that is needed is another issue. Generally speaking such work is cheaper than having a steel frame gun worked on, particularly one that requires parts to be hand fitted.

See e.g. http://www.bowietacticalconcepts.com/pictures.html

http://www.bowietacticalconcepts.com/sitebuilder/images/Benner_glock_web_pix-470x345.jpg

PabloJ
January 3, 2013, 02:02 PM
We know. One can actually pay someone to ruin perfectly good firearm.:rolleyes: It is harder to do when working with steel then plastic so they charge more.

mnhntr
January 3, 2013, 02:11 PM
Hk mk23

RoboDuck
January 4, 2013, 12:36 AM
For me the Glock 21 with my handloads.

Girodin
January 4, 2013, 12:37 AM
We know. One can actually pay someone to ruin perfectly good firearm

How is adding stippling to a polymer frame ruining the gun? Or checkering a steel front strap?

How is undercutting the trigger guard to allow a higher grip, which allows for better control of the gun, ruining the gun?

How is adding an extended control ruining the gun?

How is a trigger job on a 1911 (or a Hi Power) ruining the gun?

How is say adding a skimmer trigger to a glock ruining it?

How are mag cut outs in the grip ruining it? Do you know why they exist? How are they worse than glocks factory solution?

Again you may argue how much any of this is needed or even just how much of a benefit it is but it is pretty inane to say those things ruin the gun?

OptimusPrime
January 4, 2013, 12:43 AM
I'm in with RoboDuck. Glock 21. It shoots so sweeeeeeeet! 13 rounds+1 of beautiful .45, never had a misfire, never put a round more than 2" off where I wanted it to go. Well, maybe 2.45" away.

otasan56
January 4, 2013, 09:53 AM
I count in this thread 23 out of 100 chose Glocks. That is a plurality for sure.

RetiredUSNChief
January 4, 2013, 11:11 AM
One of the major deciding factors, believe it or not, is the new trigger system. The Glock Gen4 has a new trigger system that allows for quicker reset, and I can put a lot of bullets down range in very short order. I've also become very proficient at this.

Congratulations!

You've just identified another assault weapon feature to be added to the current ban-wagon!

And since you've identified yourself as "very proficient at this", you are hereby labeled as a "Dangerous Gun-nut"™ and must therefore be added to the BATF, FBI, and Homeland Security watchlists.

:D:D

Seriously, though, I'm not a Glock fan but I'll have to look into this trigger and how it works. Sounds interesting.

Color me stupid, in light of what you posted, but does trigger reset REALLY have that significant of an impact on speed? I can't imagine needing, or being able to get, any faster ability than I already have with my own factory guns.

ChopMeat
January 4, 2013, 11:45 AM
Sounds like ye all are talking combat. That makes me think of ammo procurement, 9mm is easy to find, but I'm a .45 man, so I'll pack my glock 17, 26, & 21. I like all guns but for me on the move these to me will be the easiest to maintain. May bring a sig 226 also, but not sure cause now I'm carrying to much and will be combat ineffective. Bring what fits your hand the best, if you can draw and get quick target acquisition, then stick with that gun. I have been blessed to live close to buds gun shop and range, rent and shoot before you buy. That way you won't end up with something that doesn't fit you. Most all guns mentioned are great pieces but if they don't fit you, then it sucks to be you, not the gun. You want your boots to fit right - right? Just like boots, guns may not leave a blister, but you may not shoot worth a crap though.

Girodin
January 4, 2013, 12:26 PM
Color me stupid, in light of what you posted, but does trigger reset REALLY have that significant of an impact on speed?

For a proficient shooter who knows how to manage the trigger properly, yes. For someone who doesn't manage the trigger properly it may not because their technique doesn't allow them to take advantage of it.

My split times with a glock are going to be faster than with say a kahr and its very long reset.

I can't imagine needing, or being able to get, any faster ability than I already have with my own factory guns.

More rounds on a threat in a given period of time is an advantage. As to being able to imagine getting faster. -Probably all of us can get faster. I train and work to be more proficient but have a VERY LONG ways to go before I can do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uisHfKj2JiI

GoWolfpack
January 4, 2013, 02:06 PM
More rounds on a threat in a given period of time is an advantage. As to being able to imagine getting faster. -Probably all of us can get faster. I train and work to be more proficient but have a VERY LONG ways to go before I can do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uisHfKj2JiI
Jerry is Chained Blue Lightning* with a revolver. The series of videos labeled "Jerry Miculek S&W Demo" is very interesting as well.

I can personally testify that, while the Chief may not be the fastest gun in the West, he is extremely accurate with his handguns.







*The Outlaw Josey Wales

PabloJ
January 4, 2013, 03:06 PM
For a proficient shooter who knows how to manage the trigger properly, yes. For someone who doesn't manage the trigger properly it may not because their technique doesn't allow them to take advantage of it.

My split times with a glock are going to be faster than with say a kahr and its very long reset.



More rounds on a threat in a given period of time is an advantage. As to being able to imagine getting faster. -Probably all of us can get faster. I train and work to be more proficient but have a VERY LONG ways to go before I can do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uisHfKj2JiI
You're looking at a cyborg.

PedalBiker
January 4, 2013, 03:53 PM
I'd put the CZ75 in the mix. I prefer it to the M9 (Beretta).

If you are using handguns in combat something went wrong.

PabloJ
January 4, 2013, 04:06 PM
Nonsense. Gang members and cops use handguns for combat all the time. I'm quite sure even if one as civilian has paperwork for machine gun it is illegal to use one against another human being(s).

Tcruse
January 5, 2013, 11:12 AM
I'd put the CZ75 in the mix. I prefer it to the M9 (Beretta).

If you are using handguns in combat something went wrong.
CZ75 gets recommended often. I am sure it is worthy, however, like boots that do not fit it is just not an option for me. Now, a close relative of the CZ is the Baby Desert Eagle 2 (IWI, imported by MRI/Kahr). It fits really well and has impressed everyone that has shot mine. (Glock 17/26 gen4 is still my goto gun for SD)

jimbo555
January 5, 2013, 11:32 AM
Best combat/defense pistol. Everyone picks a full size pistol of various brands. Yet so many choose the smallest lightest whatever to carry when they walk out the door everyday!

jdh
January 5, 2013, 01:13 PM
Concealed Carry and Combat/Defensive are different missions and require different tools.

jimbo555
January 5, 2013, 02:09 PM
If your walking down the street and attacked by armed criminals,you are in combat! And the fullsize pistol is best.

jdh
January 5, 2013, 05:24 PM
A long gun would be a better choice yet even harder to conceal.

Vern Humphrey
January 5, 2013, 05:27 PM
A long gun would be a better choice yet even harder to conceal.
That's why pistols were invented.

460Kodiak
January 5, 2013, 06:31 PM
that's why pistols were invented.

exactamundo!!!!!!

jdh
January 5, 2013, 08:26 PM
Pay close attention to 1 and 6.

Rules for a Gunfight

Anonymous

1. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.

2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap – life is expensive.

3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.

4. If your shooting stance is good, you’re probably not moving fast enough or using cover correctly.

5. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.)

6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.

7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.

8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.

9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on “pucker factor” than the inherent accuracy of the gun. Use a gun that works EVERY TIME. “All skill is in vain when an Angel blows the powder from the flintlock of your musket.”

10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

11. Always cheat, always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

12. Have a plan.

13. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won’t work.

14. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.

15. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.

16. Don’t drop your guard.

17. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees.

18. Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them.)

19. Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.

20. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

22. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.

23. Your number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

24. Do not attend a gun fight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with anything smaller than “4″.

25. You can’t miss fast enough to win.

RetiredUSNChief
January 6, 2013, 02:57 AM
More rounds on a threat in a given period of time is an advantage. As to being able to imagine getting faster. -Probably all of us can get faster. I train and work to be more proficient but have a VERY LONG ways to go before I can do this:

I agree that more rounds on the threat is an advantage. And I agree all of us can probably get faster. Certainly I can (and should) improve myself in that area.

What is it about trigger action that can speed up the firing rate? Trigger reset?


I can personally testify that, while the Chief may not be the fastest gun in the West, he is extremely accurate with his handguns.

Thanks!

I'll be working on speed some while I'm providing engineering coverage in Charleston this month. There's an outdoor gun range I used to frequent years ago when I was stationed there. Twin Ponds Rifle Range.

My immediate biggest improvement in speed will be in two areas: the action to draw and acquire the target sight accurately & efficiently, and to increase my rate of fire while maintaining accuracy.

Currently, I'm too used to a "target shooting mentality", and I fully recognize that. I need to train more on self-defense shooting, which is a whole 'nother beastie.

:)

WCraven
January 6, 2013, 02:22 PM
1911 in 45acp is a more all around weapon.. as if you need to ues the gun as a weapon to beat someone in the head with it, plastic guns just can't do that as good..

otasan56
January 6, 2013, 02:33 PM
Glock 17
It may not be the best looking, to some it may not be the best handling, but it is accurate, simple, easy to maintain, has a very high (17) magazine capacity and is above all RELIABLE even when neglected.
I concur - Glock 17!!!

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