What are some good pro-gun countries?


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Skribs
December 27, 2012, 11:15 PM
I know some bad ones (UK and Australia) and I've heard Switzerland is good. Most of the discussion on THR I see centers around different states, how do different countries fair in their lack of gun control?

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Ms_Dragon
December 27, 2012, 11:24 PM
Here are the gun laws of my home state here in Australia.

http://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/

Restrictive.
Expensive.
Invasive.

Here in this country they like to try to tell me that a woman who is raped and strangled with her own underware is morally superior to a woman who has to explain to an officer why her attacker has a bullet hole in his chest.

Let me tell you, right here and right now, as a petite woman who has suffered a rape if I was allowed to carry an "equalizer" I would have damned well used it on my attacker.

joeschmoe
December 27, 2012, 11:58 PM
Let me tell you, right here and right now, as a petite woman who has suffered a rape if I was allowed to carry an "equalizer" I would have damned well used it on my attacker.
"Allowed" seems like such a strange word in that sentence.

If you replaced the word "free", it would make more sense.

IF you were "free". You're not free.

Ms_Dragon
December 28, 2012, 12:06 AM
I am not "allowed" to carry a handgun in this country.

It seems "strange" to me why you are nit picking such a trivial choice of words when there is so much more at stake.

My story isn't unique here and it's what your wives, daughters, grand daughters, sisters, aunts and grand mothers are facing if the gun ban is made law.

You're much better employed using your resources and your bandwidth to e-mailing you local and state reps.

Thanks.

Trent
December 28, 2012, 01:27 AM
Ms Dragon;

I see you joined about a week ago.

What made you "get active"? Do you see something happening in the US that compelled you to get involved?

For what it's worth, I welcome your insight and input.

Ms_Dragon
December 28, 2012, 02:30 AM
@ Trent.

Thank you for your welcome.

I was pointed in this direction by my Sweetie who is a highly decorated, but retired, scout sniper.
He would move here to Australia in a heart beat if Australian laws allowed him to bring and keep the tools he earns his living with. *weapons instructor*

Yes I got active because I'm loath to see your countrymen and women fall for the lies your politicians are telling you.
Learn from the Australian example.

I'm a living (thankfully) and breathing example of the sort of violence that happens when an attacker knows that his victim is helpless.

Here in Australia there has been a marked increase in violent assaults since the ban.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/australia-more-violent-crime-despite-gun-ban/question-3401255/

I fully admit that this article was published in 2009 BUT this trend of assaults hasn't shown any signs of lessening.
If anything it's gotten worse.

Banning guns is NOT an answer to reducing assaults.
The Australian example proves that.

Ms_Dragon
December 28, 2012, 02:46 AM
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847

Here's the actual link to the study at NCPA.

I do hope this helps because, you know, we Aussies are hopeless.

Bohemus
December 28, 2012, 05:04 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=637026
Shall issue ccw, no gun-free zones and therefore no school killing sprees..

Chunky
December 28, 2012, 05:20 AM
Sorry that link goes nowhere for me.

Your Country has the best Gun laws in the English speaking world.
I hope you can keep it that way

c1ogden
December 28, 2012, 12:55 PM
Skribs, A friend who moved to Panama tells me that background checks are required for all gun purchases but if you're allowed to purchase it you're allowed to carry it concealed. No restrictions on "assault weapons" but open carry is prohibited for non-uniformed personnel.

Ms. Dragon, vote with your feet! Move over here! We can use all the responsible gun owners we can get. I don't know what job field you're in but housing (thanks to Obamanomics) is pretty cheap.

Chunky
December 28, 2012, 03:41 PM
Don't know about MsDragon, but got news for you guys.
Unless you're married or related to someone in the US, or have pots of cash, you aren't getting a greencard!

oneounceload
December 28, 2012, 04:20 PM
The countries with the laxest gun laws also tend to be countries, at least at the moment, engaged in some form of warfare and/or civil unrest - like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia and a host of other third world nations. If the OP is meaning first world countries with a semblance of civilization, than Switzerland, Canada, Uruguay, Costa Rica, and several others come to mind. They may not be as "free" as Arizona but they pretty much leave things alone

joeschmoe
December 28, 2012, 04:36 PM
I am not "allowed" to carry a handgun in this country.

It seems "strange" to me why you are nit picking such a trivial choice of words when there is so much more at stake.

My story isn't unique here and it's what your wives, daughters, grand daughters, sisters, aunts and grand mothers are facing if the gun ban is made law.

You're much better employed using your resources and your bandwidth to e-mailing you local and state reps.

Thanks.
I think you misunderstand my intention. I apologize if I caused offense.
I am not only sympathetic to your issue, but I was making a point of perspective, not just nitpicking language. i.e. your freedom has been taken from you. It should not be a question of what you or I are "allowed". We in the US do not believe the government can take these freedoms, legally. It should not be a question of "allowed". That's not up to the government to allow or not. The government is not "allowed" to restrict these freedoms. That's what freedom means. It's not a privligage that can be "allowed" or restricted. It is a right that cannot be taken from us. We restrict our government. The government does not "allow" us our rights.
If we fall into the same trap of the government choosing what is "allowed" then we will suffer the same fate as you. If we insist on our freedoms, the the government does not get to decide which of our freedoms they will "allow".

Any gun "ban" would be unConstitutional and we would hope for our Supreme Court to quickly strike it down as illegal.

Bohemus
December 28, 2012, 08:22 PM
Sorry that link goes nowhere for me.

Your Country has the best Gun laws in the English speaking world.
I hope you can keep it that way

Link corrected.

meanmrmustard
December 28, 2012, 08:32 PM
Switzerland

mr.trooper
December 28, 2012, 08:46 PM
Right ... GOOD LUCK becoming a citizen of Switzerland. Unless you are rich, and can PROVE you will sustain said high income, it's never going to happen.

Italy isn't that bad on guns. 10 round mag cap, no "military calibers", and a limit on the number of handguns a private citizen can own (something close to a dozen :rolleyes:) are the worst of it. And you may actually be able to become a citizen some day.

oneounceload
December 28, 2012, 08:57 PM
Wrong on Switzerland, all you need is a job or proof of income like a pension. Cost may be an issue, but Europe has always been more expensive.

Look at the Dominican Republic, Costa Rica, Argentina, Ecuador, Paraguay, Uruguay, Columbia, New Zealand.

NZ sells full autos and suppressors, but the costs for reloading supplies is 5X here

Bohemus
December 28, 2012, 09:00 PM
Being Swiss citizen is easier than getting swiss ccw..

oneounceload
December 28, 2012, 09:14 PM
But then again, you really don't need a ccw in Switzerland

breakingcontact
December 28, 2012, 09:38 PM
Patagonia! Not sure which side is good these days though.

nwilliams
December 28, 2012, 09:59 PM
For those interested....

Started this thread a while back, turned out to be quite popular with some great posts from some of our foreign members...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=396668&highlight=foreign

fatcat4620
December 28, 2012, 10:05 PM
Unless you want to buy AKs at the local bizarre this country is probably the best one.

MachIVshooter
December 28, 2012, 10:26 PM
You're much better employed using your resources and your bandwidth to e-mailing you local and state reps.

Heed this advice!

oneounceload
December 28, 2012, 10:29 PM
Why? Some pf us might actually WANT to move somewhere else, and guns would NOT be the deciding factor, but a nice consideration

msb45
December 28, 2012, 10:45 PM
US troops in some crappy country ending in 'stan watching people walk down the street with slinged FULL AUTO AK47s (not clones) protecting their freedom no questions asked.

Vs.

US government doing everything to rip your guns out of your hands or limiting so much as to be pointless. :banghead:

South America may be looking better next year.

Insp Evans
December 28, 2012, 10:56 PM
I realize that Wikipedia can have errors, but I doubt they're completely in error. Try these urls:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Canada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Finland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway

Stay in the U. S. - it's a whole lot cheaper and a whole lot freer.

FIVETWOSEVEN
December 28, 2012, 10:57 PM
I believe the Czech Republic is also excellent with their guns laws. I think it's the government that said that they see no reason to limit CCW because it's a non-issue in the country. I also think you can own full autos there too.

Grassman
December 28, 2012, 11:23 PM
Unless you want to buy AKs at the local bizarre this country is probably the best one.
Well I nearly bought an AK at a flea market last year FTF transaction, but didn't. I was beat to hell.

fatcat4620
December 28, 2012, 11:34 PM
Well I nearly bought an AK at a flea market last year FTF transaction, but didn't. I was beat to hell.

I am talking about those 'stan' countries. This if probably the only country in the world you can buy a AKM from a fellow citizen without the Gov getting in the way.

Bohemus
December 29, 2012, 04:12 AM
I believe the Czech Republic is also excellent with their guns laws. I think it's the government that said that they see no reason to limit CCW because it's a non-issue in the country. I also think you can own full autos there too.
Full autos are, unlike ccw, "may issue" therefore quite rarely issued.
Switzerland is shall issue in this case, Finland is good for silencers, CZ is for CCW with just few gun-free zones - courts, demonstrations, parlament (generaly places with high policemen concentration). Courts have lokcers for guns.

Ignition Override
December 29, 2012, 04:38 AM
Bohemus:
When the OP's question appeared, it quickly made me think of the Czech Republic.

Chunky
December 29, 2012, 04:40 AM
I think the major problem for most people in Czech, would be the language barrier.

Silverado6x6
December 29, 2012, 06:47 AM
I have made plans to move to Oz, gun restrictions were not involved with my decision. Being a machinist and gunsmith already I would just get the equipment, the tools and materials and make my own. I predict that Oz will make a turnaround, it may be the people getting finally fed up with armed bike gangs or the very real threat of a Chinese mass invasion.

i will never consider any European country, nor any South American Republic, nor Africa.

Oz is a frontier, a vast interior where one can disappear completely unlike in the USA where they can find you anywhere.

The feds have way too much more in resources from satellites to drones to cell phone tracking, Oz has some very limited tracking in the big smoke towns, but in the bush nothing.

Plus being an amateur gold prospector I have gold nugget detecting equipment. For the last 20 years I have lived in Alaska, now I yearn for another adventure and challenge.

goldie
December 30, 2012, 09:01 PM
(Dominican Republic, Costa Rica, Argentina, Ecuador, Paraguay, Uruguay, Columbia)Move to these countries & your gonna need a gun.....

blkbrd666
December 31, 2012, 12:07 AM
What are some good pro-gun countries?

Awe, come on, hang around here and help clean the place up.

Onmilo
December 31, 2012, 01:33 AM
Yemen
You will want to convert to Islam but the gun laws are, well, lax to nonexistent

DoubleMag
December 31, 2012, 09:29 AM
What are some good pro-gun countries?
I know some bad ones (UK and Australia) and I've heard Switzerland is good. Most of the discussion on THR I see centers around different states, how do different countries fair in their lack of gun control?

Oh, there's millions. Such as, my country here. And yours there. It ceases to be a pro-gun country , when you allow it to be. Easy or hard is the only qualifier.

Mindset....get it right. Proper mindset IMHO is ...contacting elected officials, writing letters (#1 choice), phone calls, letting them know, reminding them...no law works without the consent of the governed.

No need now for 'I'll die first' style calls, they already have a very good idea people are pi$$ed and fed up.

Improper mindset is one that produces no tangible results. Please remember...the left/commies are doing things more then typing!!

itchy1
December 31, 2012, 10:37 AM
A heartfelt thanks to Ms Dragon and other contributors from some of the more gun restrictive countries. Your input allows us a glimpse of what could happen right here in the US if we ever allow the antis to win the battle. I have several English friends who have told me how bad violent crime has been getting over there since they essentially disarmed their citizens. One wonderful lady is now a permanent resident here and has her CCW.

Matthew Temkin
December 31, 2012, 10:43 AM
Sweden has the highest gun ownership--per capita--in Europe.
Hunting is an honored sport and is considered to be very "cool" amongst young people.
Handguns. are for sport only but can be owned with very little red tape.
Gun safes are mandatory.

goldie
December 31, 2012, 04:07 PM
I doubt there is a country that allows what we have, the key now is to fight to hold on to it.....

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