Another CZ-82 Question...


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Didorian
December 28, 2012, 12:25 AM
I've been told that If I get a CZ-82 in 9X18 Makerov, that it will also chamber and fire .380...... Is this true?

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Stringfellow
December 28, 2012, 12:53 AM
Theoretically yes, but practically no. I have heard that you could in case of emergency. But supposedly you do not want to make it a practice.

Besides, 9mm Mak is a lot cheaper than .380 ;)

M2 Carbine
December 28, 2012, 01:43 AM
Both rounds headspace on the front of the case.
The 9x18 (Makarov) case is 18 mm long. The .380 case is 17 mm long. The firing pin may reach the .380 primer and then it may not.

Also, the 9x18 bullet is .364/5 diameter and the .380 is .355 (9mm) diameter. There will be a lot of blow by past the smaller diameter bullet causing a drop in muzzle velocity and possibly a reduction in accuracy.

In the past I have done a good bit of testing using .355 (9mm) and .357 (38 Special) bullets in the Makarov. The results were OK, with even pretty good accuracy. But since .364 bullets for reloading are available it's not necessary to use the undersized bullets.

I have even successfully shot full load 9mm rounds in the Makarov.
This was under very controlled conditions, so DON'T you do this in your 9x18 guns.

All in all the Makarov is quite a gun. (I have a bunch of Makarovs, CZ82/83 and P-63 pistols)



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Stringfellow
December 28, 2012, 02:45 AM
I have a bunch of Makarovs, CZ82/83 and P-63 pistols

M2 saying this is kind of like saying "the Yankees have won a few pennants". You can take M2's word as gospel on anything Makarov.

M2 Carbine
December 28, 2012, 09:17 AM
M2 saying this is kind of like saying "the Yankees have won a few pennants".:)


Try explaining to your Wife why you need six Makarovs.


Then try explaining why you need these.:D
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Maksall15.jpg

BSA1
December 28, 2012, 10:55 AM
Why? 9x18 is readily available on the Internet ammo dealers for $11.00 bx/50 vs. $13.50 bx/50 for .380.

surfzombie
December 28, 2012, 12:34 PM
The .380acp case is much smaller the the 9x18mm Mak. The 9mm luger and the 9x18mm mak are closer. In fact many Makarov shooters that reload use regular 9mm brass but resizing it and trimming it down 1mm. The bullet or projectile diameter is basically the same on the .380acp and the 9mm luger .355. The Makarov 9x18mm is .364. I WOULD NEVER TRY IT. YOU MIGHT GET AWAY WITH IT BUT YOU STAND A BIGGER CHANCE OF DAMAGING YOURSELF AND YOUR PISTOL.

PabloJ
December 28, 2012, 02:39 PM
Use ammo which is intended for the gun. Great gun just do not take apart into more components then necessary for basic cleaning/maintenance or you will need to ship parts in plastic baggie to CZ-USA for re-assembly.

meanmrmustard
December 28, 2012, 03:45 PM
:)


Try explaining to your Wife why you need six Makarovs.


Then try explaining why you need these.:D
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Maksall15.jpg
You shouldn't have to. It's called love.

What can you tell me of that gem in the third row, first on the left?

M2 Carbine
December 28, 2012, 11:11 PM
What can you tell me of that gem in the third row, first on the left?
It's a Russian IJ70-18A.
Adjustable sights.
It happens to be one of the last ones I bought, in 2009. 9x18 Unfired, still in the box. $319

This is the same thing but in 380.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/380Makarov.jpg



This is a little unusual.
A bulgarian 22 conversion on a Bulgarian 9x18.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Mak22conversion.jpg


A Bulgarian civilian 9x18.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Maksquaretriggerguard.jpg


A refinished East German 9x18.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Makchrome-1.jpg

meanmrmustard
December 28, 2012, 11:28 PM
It's a Russian IJ70-18A.
Adjustable sights.
It happens to be one of the last ones I bought, in 2009. 9x18 Unfired, still in the box. $319

This is the same thing but in 380.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/380Makarov.jpg



This is a little unusual.
A bulgarian 22 conversion on a Bulgarian 9x18.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Mak22conversion.jpg


A Bulgarian civilian 9x18.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Maksquaretriggerguard.jpg


A refinished East German 9x18.
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/Makchrome-1.jpg
I love the 9x18, and you seem to be equally as infatuated with the platform that fires it!

Thanks for the share Ma Deuce!

Didorian
December 29, 2012, 12:44 AM
Thank you all so much for this information.:D
I do believe that I will just buy copious amounts of 9X18 LoL:p

meanmrmustard
December 29, 2012, 10:34 AM
Thank you all so much for this information.:D
I do believe that I will just buy copious amounts of 9X18 LoL:p
You'd be silly not to. IMO, it'd make a great defense round, is still cheap, and even though it adds another cartridge, its still a conversation piece.

If you buy Buffalo Bore +p, use it only in Maks, Radom pistols, or CZs. I don't recommend use in the FEG.

meanmrmustard
December 29, 2012, 10:36 AM
M2, any way you could PM me who did the refinish on that polished East German Mak?

M2 Carbine
December 29, 2012, 11:54 AM
M2, any way you could PM me who did the refinish on that polished East German Mak?

I bought the gun at a Dallas gun show.
It belonged to a FFL dealer from Texarkana. The dealer had the gun refinished by a local gunsmith. I don't remember the dealers name. He said he had it dressed up for a personal gun but never fired it.

It's the best work I've seen on any gun. Soon as I saw it I had to buy it. As I recall it was $340.

I'll probably never fire it, simply because I've got 16 or 17 other Makarovs to shoot.

meanmrmustard
December 29, 2012, 12:24 PM
I bought the gun at a Dallas gun show.
It belonged to a FFL dealer from Texarkana. The dealer had the gun refinished by a local gunsmith. I don't remember the dealers name. He said he had it dressed up for a personal gun but never fired it.

It's the best work I've seen on any gun. Soon as I saw it I had to buy it. As I recall it was $340.

I'll probably never fire it, simply because I've got 16 or 17 other Makarovs to shoot.
Lucky duck.

armarsh
December 29, 2012, 11:58 PM
Confession time. I have shot 380 in a 9x18. :o

It was unintentional - I was in a big hurry to load up a pistol to shoot a raccoon that was sick and threatening the yard pets. It took four shots to connect. This was in a CZ82 that always shoots accurately so I was really wondering what was going on until I picked up one of the cases. Once I saw how bulged it was I knew what I had done.

The thing harmed was the raccoon.

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