NICS background check frustrations...


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GiorgioG
December 28, 2012, 10:17 PM
I went to pick up my new Daniel Defense M4V7 tonight only to go home empty handed because my background check went from 'Further Review' to 'Delay' (apparently this is now automatic...so they can work on their oldest 'Delay' checks first.)

Worse, the agent couldn't give him a date (which I guess is the norm) as when they should get back to him. I purchased a firearm a couple of years ago, it went to further review as well, but was approved in 2min.

I wish these politicians would stop screwing around and deal with real issues.

I did overhear this dealer had a few Bushmasters, if anyone wants the name just PM me.

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GWARGHOUL
December 28, 2012, 10:40 PM
3 business days and it yours, not including the day of the call-in.

smalls
December 29, 2012, 12:12 AM
I wish these politicians would stop screwing around and deal with real issues.

What does your delay have anything to do with politics.

GWARGHOUL is right. After 3 days your FFL may release your firearm to you.

Jon Coppenbarger
December 29, 2012, 12:21 AM
weekends and hollidays also do not count

GiorgioG
December 29, 2012, 12:42 AM
What does your delay have anything to do with politics.

GWARGHOUL is right. After 3 days your FFL may release your firearm to you.
smalls,

I ordered my firearm the Monday prior to the Sandy Hook event. If this panic hadn't started (caused by politicians threatening a new AWB), then my "Further Review" wouldn't have been dumped into the "Delay" queue:

As of 3:15pm, EST today, (12/26/2012) it has become necessary for the NICS Section to have our staff focus on the transactions in the delay queue so that we have an improved chance of reviewing those transactions before the expiration of the third business day. Therefore, you may notice a small change in how some of your transactions are handled as those requiring further review will not immediately be transferred on to the FBI NICS Section. Rather they will automatically be placed in delay and will be worked in the order received. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you but hope that you understand why this temporary change is being implemented.


from http://www.ammoland.com/2012/12/26/gun-buyers-swamp-nics-fbi

GiorgioG
December 29, 2012, 12:44 AM
weekends and hollidays also do not count
I know...I'm looking at next Friday - not the end of the world by any means...just annoying.

smalls
December 29, 2012, 12:46 AM
Sounds like an NICS deal, not politics. Also looks like its due to them being swamped by panic buyers.

Infidel4life11
December 29, 2012, 10:19 AM
My shop was on hold with nics for over 2hours about a week ago. Btw I saved up to get a DDv7 now I can't get my hands on one. Enjoy yours post picks and tell us about it

dogtown tom
December 29, 2012, 10:56 AM
Infidel4life11 My shop was on hold with nics for over 2hours about a week ago.
Two hours on hold with the FBI?:scrutiny:

I think they're feeding you a line. It is entirely possible that it took them two hours to get through, or that there was a period where they were on hold.....but highly unlikely that they listened to that wonderful wait music:barf: for two whole hours.

dpote
December 29, 2012, 12:21 PM
My wife and I were at the LGS on 22 December and everyone got to listen to the wonderful wait music. They had NICS on speaker. There were around 15 people in there all trying to buy an AR-15. All we were in there for was a mount for a scope, so we were in and out.
I asked later how long it took, I was told 45 minutes to an hour on hold. Everyone was put on the delay list.

Dave

gdcpony
December 29, 2012, 09:35 PM
Yep, I bought my DPMS .308 the day after and they had already started the long hold times. I was lucky. I usually got delayed (foreign born, two misdemeanors), but walked out 45 minutes later.

Rail Driver
December 29, 2012, 09:40 PM
Sounds like an NICS deal, not politics. Also looks like its due to them being swamped by panic buyers.
And what caused the rash of panic buying? Oh yeah, that's right - politics and the announcement by an anti-gun president that new gun control measures will be announced in January, and the release of an INSANE gun control bill proposal by Feinstein. No, I'm sure politics has nothing at all to do with it.

John828
December 29, 2012, 09:59 PM
That's one of the advantages of a CCW (at least in Arkansas). Cash 'n carry with no wait for NCIS.

robertn
December 29, 2012, 10:07 PM
This is why (side benefit) I have my conceal carry... No silly calls to wait on, just pick what I want and fill out the form and walk out the door. But that's my state so just give it a couple of days and you'll have your new toy.

texasgun
December 29, 2012, 10:41 PM
are you in TX? I had a CHL in TX and buying a gun was great.... paper work and you are good to go....no wait

Here in WA you have to wait despite your license. And the license is a cheaply made paper with no photograph or fingerprint. looks extremely fake and cheap.

hso
December 29, 2012, 10:43 PM
You should expect this since NICS is overloaded with requests since Sandy Hook. No NICS checks can be expected to go as smoothly or as quickly since the demand is up 4X+.

GiorgioG
December 29, 2012, 11:46 PM
Good news ;) FFL called me this morning and I picked up my rifle this afternoon.

gdcpony
December 29, 2012, 11:51 PM
That's one of the advantages of a CCW (at least in Arkansas). Cash 'n carry with no wait for NCIS.
I have mine for OH, but am stationed in NC. Still have to go through it.

chris in va
December 29, 2012, 11:55 PM
That's one of the advantages of a CCW (at least in Arkansas). Cash 'n carry with no wait for NCIS.

This. One perk of having a CC permit.

Atbat82
December 29, 2012, 11:57 PM
I have my ccw permit in CT. We still have to wait for a call to state police. I bought a PPS this morning and it took almost 90 minutes to get through. Busy signals for a long time. When the guy at my LGS did get through he had the person on the other end run 6 sales for 6 customers. Strike while the iron is hot, I guess.


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JohnnyK
December 30, 2012, 12:06 AM
chl in TX... the only way to do business... no wait, no fuss... cash and carry. thank you have a nice day.

coloradokevin
December 30, 2012, 12:55 AM
Don't feel too bad, our checks here in Colorado run through CBI (Colorado Bureau of Investigations), which are currently backlogged for more than a week... no one is getting a gun here quickly, even though we have no official "waiting period".

Ignition Override
December 30, 2012, 01:13 AM
Are any such rifles available in your areas via FTF sales?
Armslist might have a possibility with lucky timing.

smalls
December 30, 2012, 01:52 AM
...and the release of an INSANE gun control bill proposal by Feinstein. No, I'm sure politics has nothing at all to do with it.

Feinstein tries to introduce an AWB literally every year. I don't remember any panic buying last year, or the year before that...

Water-Man
December 30, 2012, 02:04 AM
Heard on the news tonight the wait has gone up to seven days.

stickhauler
December 30, 2012, 02:11 AM
Feinstein tries to introduce an AWB literally every year. I don't remember any panic buying last year, or the year before that...

Last year, or the year before, Obama hadn't just said a few months before that HE wanted the ban re-instated if re-elected. Last year, or the year before, we hadn't seen a full scale attack by a good portion of the media, every night, telling America how horrible an AR/AK platform rifle and a "high capacity ammo clip" was, and why NOBODY should be allowed to own one.

You know, those rifles that shoot "better than 100 rounds a minute!"

And, for the record, Feinstein didn't try to introduce an AWB last year, or the year before. She said she'd do that at a later day and time, when she had a better chance at success.

But let's not allow the truth to get in the way of a perfectly good lie!

GCMkc
December 30, 2012, 12:27 PM
This is a NICS deal. I've been delayed on 99% of my purchases and usually have to wait the 3 day maximum. I applied for a UPIN months ago but the good ol govment is months behind in processing applications. I have a CCW, but it was issued before July 2010 so I can't get cleared on the spot. It sucks seeing your new firearm and not being able to take it home right away. :(

mgkdrgn
December 30, 2012, 12:29 PM
Two hours on hold with the FBI?:scrutiny:

I think they're feeding you a line. It is entirely possible that it took them two hours to get through, or that there was a period where they were on hold.....but highly unlikely that they listened to that wonderful wait music:barf: for two whole hours.
if you don't hold, when you call back you go to the back of the line. Yes, there are dealers on hold for hours.

Personally, I use the web based E-check. No busy signals or "on holds" there! :-)

mgkdrgn
December 30, 2012, 12:30 PM
This is a NICS deal. I've been delayed on 99% of my purchases and usually have to wait the 3 day maximum. I applied for a UPIN months ago but the good ol govment is months behind in processing applications. I have a CCW, but it was issued before July 2010 so I can't get cleared on the spot. It sucks seeing your new firearm and not being able to take it home right away. :(
What does the issue date of your CCW have to do with anything .. unless it has expired. That a Kansas thing?

longknife12
December 30, 2012, 12:35 PM
In Coilorado, you gotta do a CIB instacheck before you can go to a NICs...
backlog from them is 8-10 DAYS!
Dan
:mad:

GCMkc
December 30, 2012, 12:39 PM
What does the issue date of your CCW have to do with anything .. unless it has expired. That a Kansas thing?

Yeah, it's a Kansas thing. The state legislation to allow a CCW to proceed on a delayed transaction was passed in July 2010 and I got my permit in July 2009. The gun stores always do "further review" and it never works. Pretty silly if you ask me.

billymarr
December 30, 2012, 12:51 PM
HMM strange mine went through in 2 minutes last Saturday.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
December 30, 2012, 12:54 PM
While normally I don't have to go through the background check to buy a firearm (NC CCW laws for in state purchase). I was on my way to Tennessee to pick up a Hk MR556 when the shooting took place. In Tennessee I still have to be run through the system. Luckily they had the rifle put back for me. By the time I got there I had found out about the shooting. I walked in the store and could not believe it. The lines were insane. It took over an hour for my NICS check to go through..and they (NICS) flat out refused without my SS number. It would have been a delayed or denied deal. So I gave it to the lady on the phone, bout 5200 rounds of various caliber ammo and left with my rifle. I was going to get the ammo anyway, and it happened to be cheaper than anywhere else in the past 3 years or so. Moral of the story, the NICS and Tennessee need to accept a CCW from other states as a background check. I know it is Tennesssee laws, but the recognize my CCW permit to allow me to carry, just not buy...

joeschmoe
December 30, 2012, 12:56 PM
Heard on the news tonight the wait has gone up to seven days.
Not unless Congress changed the law last night between "fiscal cliff" hearings, and got the President to sign it.

Brady Act Requirements

Mandated by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (Brady Act) of 1993, Public Law 103-159

If potentially prohibitive criteria exists and more information is required in order to make the determination, the NICS Examiner will advise the FFL to DELAY the firearm transaction and the FFL will receive the following instructions:

“. . .NTN ___ will be delayed while the NICS continues its research. If you do not receive a final response from us, the Brady Law does not prohibit the transfer of the firearm on day/date.”

The NICS Examiner will provide the FFL with the date of the third business day after the firearm check was initiated. Business days do not include the day the check was initiated, Saturdays, Sundays, and any day state offices in the state of purchase are closed. If the FFL has not received from the NICS a final determination after three business days have elapsed since the delay response, it is within the FFL’s discretion whether or not to transfer the firearm (if state law permits the transfer). If the FFL transfers the firearm, the FFL must mark “No resolution was provided within three business days” on line 21d of the ATF Form 4473. It is recommended the FFL record the date provided in the delay response on which the firearm may be lawfully transferred under federal law if a final determination of proceed or denied is not received from the NICS.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/general-information/fact-sheet

d-dogg
December 30, 2012, 12:57 PM
I posted this in another thread, but will repeat it here since it is pertinent.

I was routinely delayed while in the USAF. All the FFL could figure, since they receive no reason one way or the other, is that perhaps my security clearance at the time was the holdup since many of his other military customers were similarly held up.

FWIW, I purchased two weapons the evening of Sandy Hook. No delay whatsoever.

WCraven
December 30, 2012, 12:59 PM
I took the time to get mine back in Oct (CCP) and have bought 2 handguns since and love not having to get a permit for them..

dogtown tom
December 30, 2012, 01:36 PM
mgkdrgn Quote:
Originally Posted by dogtown tom
Two hours on hold with the FBI?

I think they're feeding you a line. It is entirely possible that it took them two hours to get through, or that there was a period where they were on hold.....but highly unlikely that they listened to that wonderful wait music for two whole hours.
if you don't hold, when you call back you go to the back of the line. Yes, there are dealers on hold for hours.
Hold? On Black Friday that wasn't even an option.....NICS would answer and prompt you to do a check and then you would get a recording to call back later.....no option to be on hold or wait. Last week a recording would tell you how many minutes before you could speak with a NICS customer service rep....my longest wait was seven minutes. I've done more than eighty NICS calls in the last two weeks and never got put on hold for more than those seven minutes.

This week, NICS has answered on the first ring as usual.



Personally, I use the web based E-check. No busy signals or "on holds" there! :-)
Didn't do any on Black Friday did you?;)

gego
December 30, 2012, 01:41 PM
Saturday, Dec. 29, about 6:00PM Central time, went through is two or three minutes. Long gun.

dogtown tom
December 30, 2012, 01:45 PM
longknife12 In Coilorado, you gotta do a CIB instacheck before you can go to a NICs...
backlog from them is 8-10 DAYS!
Dan
Colorado doesn't use the FBI NICS, but does background checks through CIB only.


d-dogg ....I was routinely delayed while in the USAF. All the FFL could figure, since they receive no reason one way or the other, is that perhaps my security clearance at the time was the holdup since many of his other military customers were similarly held up.
Security clearances, military service, being a police officer or even if you are a CIA ninja....... has no effect on your FBI NICS check.

Its all about NAME/BIRTHDATE/PLACE OF BIRTH/HT/WT/GENDER/ETHNICITY/RACE.......have enough of those match a person in the database who is prohibited and you get a delay at best.

Gato MontÚs
December 30, 2012, 02:13 PM
Yeah, count me in, but I rather be in this mess than not being able to acquire what I'm looking for at all, which seems to be everything right now.

Hell, this whole mess I've been just a smidg above drowning; ordered my Ruger BX-25s just before they went OOS, got my 10/22 Takedown right as the site crashed from all the influx, got delayed on the NICS but my dealer let me take the Takedown's barrel to have it threaded and got it in right before the gunsmith got swamped causing a hold on all new work. At least I can get some excitement out of all of this, I guess?

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