40 s&w and panic buying


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TennJed
December 29, 2012, 12:06 AM
I have never had much interest in the 40 s&w round. Nothing against it in particular, just I seemed to aquire 9mms and 45 acp and didn't see a need for another round. Looking around this last week it seems everyone is running out of hi cap 9mms (Online and in store) but guns chambered in 40 s&w are still easy to find. Bud's has very few models in 9mm but almost everything in 40

What does the current market tell us aboout the 40 s&w? It seems pretty obvious to me now that the chambering is not as popular as most gun companies might have thought. Will this help the growth of the 40?

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David E
December 29, 2012, 12:10 AM
It doesn't say anything about the .40. It just means that the two of the 4 cartridges flying off the shelf are the .223 and 9mm

(the other two are the .308 and .22 long rifle.)

TennJed
December 29, 2012, 12:12 AM
Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. I am not talking about ammo I am talking about the actual guns. People are buying every hi cap 9mm out there but not touching the 40. I can buy any make and model of 40 s&w I want to right now, not so with the 9mm

sigarms228
December 29, 2012, 12:21 AM
The .40 is HUGELY popular with law enforcement and not so much with civilians. The civilians are the ones doing the panic buying.

I have a P229 in .40 and during the last obama ammo shortage I could usually get .40 which was nice to be able to still do some shooting and my P229 is a pleasure to shoot in .40.

sleepyone
December 29, 2012, 12:36 AM
I just switched from the 9mm to .40 S&W two weeks before all this stuff happened. I did it for two reasons. 1) ammo is usually in stock and 2) like the ballistics better than the 9mm. Now I'm really glad I switched! although the .40 ammo is selling during the panic, I am able to find what I want either online or in stores. Also, I was able to order a couple of M&P .40 Pro Series at great prices from Bud's.

TennJed
December 29, 2012, 12:36 AM
I wonder if 9mm guns stay hard to find will people "settle" for the 40?

nathan
December 29, 2012, 12:55 AM
Surprising the .40 SW and .380 ammo were still available in Walmart and Academy. Although they are diminishing by the day . The common 9mms and .22 LRs are gone for good.

I personally like the .40 SW as i carry a glock 23. It is one nice package to have.

sigarms228
December 29, 2012, 01:05 AM
Some .40 pistols like the SIG P226 and P226 can shoot 9MM with a Barto 9MM conversion barrel that are extremely high quality. Usually the conversion barrel drops right in but Bartso says about 3 out of 10 require minor fitting.

It is recommended to not use a conversion barrel for SD though most everyone says that their SIGs are 100 percent reliable with them installed. Otherwise the .40 barrel can be put back in for SD needs.

Of course right now they are a little hard to find.

http://www.topgunsupply.com/bar-sto-barrels/

newglockguy
December 29, 2012, 01:49 AM
That's one of the things I like about the 40. Personally IMO the 9 and 45 are the more popular calibers

C0untZer0
December 29, 2012, 02:34 AM
Since when did Police stop being civilians?

The only police that aren't civilians are MPs.

ku4hx
December 29, 2012, 03:24 AM
I can buy any make and model of 40 s&w I want to right now, not so with the 9mm
Just standby ....

From what I saw, at first it was Glock magazines that were in demand. Since I had (over the last few years) bought what I wanted for my Glock pistols, I looked at Ruger for my "panic" buying. Lots of Ruger magazines all over so I got what I feel I needed for my wife's SR9 and SR9c and our two KP90s. Now the SR9/c magazines are either gone or prices have risen precipitously.

Have you checked CDNN Sports' website? They shut it down just a few days after the rush took off and it's still that way. Obviously, nothing is available from them and they are one of my primary websites. However, they did ship my post-shutdown order so I'm happy.

sigarms228
December 29, 2012, 10:25 AM
Since when did Police stop being civilians?

The only police that aren't civilians are MPs.

LOL my bad.

meanmrmustard
December 29, 2012, 10:30 AM
The few .40s I've had kicked like mules. Albeit they were light, polymer framed guns, I prefer the 9, .357 Sig, and .45 in terms of practice and fun.

Sauer Grapes
December 29, 2012, 04:36 PM
I guess the general public isn't that fond of the .40. The 9mm and .45acp have been here for 100 years.
I became quite fond of the 40 S&W in the last year or so. I can load it down to capare to a 9mm and load it up to compete in USPSA.
Like the Sig, my M&P's can convert to 9mm with a simple barrel change.

All that said, I see more and more guys showing up on the pistol range with .40 S&Ws' all the time. I get a lot of free brass that way..:p

nathan
December 29, 2012, 04:47 PM
I ve never heard of a .40 SW until i was at a local pawnshop in 1994. They had several Smith and Wesson handguns with .40 SW on the slide. At the time .40 was still an exclusive LEO round .

SOUTHPAW
December 29, 2012, 06:01 PM
My local Walmart for the last week...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c83/turb0_t0m/BA4E06E5-3698-46C5-B369-9A8E3878C12F-696-00000154C940A7BF.jpg

Makes me glad I decided to add a .40 to the family.

Jenrick
December 29, 2012, 06:07 PM
.40 S&W is more expensive then 9mm may be one reason people aren't buying as much. Additionally if you've never owned a gun before and ask a KNOWLEDGEABLE sales person, most will direct you to a 9mm, .38spl, etc. for a first gun. Most folks who have a .40 S&W pistol are either shooters with a few rounds under their belt, or someone who asked for the same gun their local LEO's use. As an LEO I hate that our administrators make a gun store commando look knowledgeable and require us to use .40 S&W (at my agency at lest) without anything to back it up besides "it's a forty!"

-Jenrick

EMNofSeattle
December 29, 2012, 06:11 PM
I never liked .40 S&W it tends to "snap" it makes a loud pop and sharp recoil. and I think it was a solution in search of a problem, 9mm is perfectly good as a defense round. .45 ACP reduces mag capacity yes, but not by too much.

My guess is as mentioned above, Civvies and the military shoot 9, most cops with the exception of most California departments or New York City PD who carry 9, carry .40

civilians are a much bigger market then the police

ritepath
December 29, 2012, 06:29 PM
I added a p229 in 40 last spring because I knew something like this was going to happen in the coming year after the election.

Problem is....unlike the great scare of 2008/9 there's no 40 on the shelves this time. Still plenty of 357.:) Looks like a revolver is in my future.:p

PabloJ
December 29, 2012, 06:39 PM
.40 S&W is more expensive then 9mm may be one reason people aren't buying as much. Additionally if you've never owned a gun before and ask a KNOWLEDGEABLE sales person, most will direct you to a 9mm, .38spl, etc. for a first gun. Most folks who have a .40 S&W pistol are either shooters with a few rounds under their belt, or someone who asked for the same gun their local LEO's use. As an LEO I hate that our administrators make a gun store commando look knowledgeable and require us to use .40 S&W (at my agency at lest) without anything to back it up besides "it's a forty!"

-Jenrick
If people's buying sprees were based on price per box Walmarts should have mounds of .45Auto and it is harder to find then 9x19. Part of the reason is that they probly order more .40S&W then any other centerfire pistol rounds with exception of 9 Luger.

SOUTHPAW
December 29, 2012, 08:57 PM
.40 S&W is more expensive then 9mm may be one reason people aren't buying as much. Additionally if you've never owned a gun before and ask a KNOWLEDGEABLE sales person, most will direct you to a 9mm, .38spl, etc. for a first gun. Most folks who have a .40 S&W pistol are either shooters with a few rounds under their belt, or someone who asked for the same gun their local LEO's use. As an LEO I hate that our administrators make a gun store commando look knowledgeable and require us to use .40 S&W (at my agency at lest) without anything to back it up besides "it's a forty!"

-Jenrick


I agree. I sold my first .40 shortly after buying it. The gun was too small for the cartridge in my opinion, or the shape of the grip/backstrap didn't agree with me. Either way, shame on me for not shooting it before buying. Live and learn.

Fast forward 3 or 4 years, and all my auto pistols are 9 and .45. I enjoy shooting the two calibers because they are both relatively soft shooters in mid-full size guns, especially for casual plinking with 115gr 9mm and standard 230gr .45. That first .40 put a bad taste in my mouth, and I had no desire to buy another. Then one day I decided I wanted a Glock 19 to compliment my Glock 26. I had shot a friend's and felt the size/capacity/grip of the gun was perfect. Then I did some research on the Glock 23/32. Same exact guns as the 19, but chambered in either .40 or .357sig. The advantage to these guns however, is that with simply swapping a barrel (and mags for 9mm) I could choose to shoot 3 different calibers out of the same gun. With the ammo crisis still in my mind from '09, and the foresight that it could, and eventually would happen again, I opted for the .40 cal 3-guns-in-1 G23 over the 9mm only G19. I now have a 9mm conversion barrel for cheaper range blasting, and train/carry the gun in .40. Recoil is surprisingly manageable. In fact, compared to my 9mm carry ammo (+P) the .40 feels almost identical. Weak 115gr FMJ in 9mm is great for the range, but not for carry. So you really need to compare +P 9mm to the .40 anyway. At any rate, I'm looking for a factory Glock 32 barrel as we speak, so that I can sample the .357 flavor and see if I like it better for carry. It certainly looks good on paper...

J_McLeod
December 29, 2012, 11:52 PM
I always thought the 40 was too snappy and never would have considered buying one until I started reloading. I bought an XD40 a year ago an I really like it. I get more power out of it, and a 180gr bullet with a charge of HS-6 just feels like shooting a stout 9mm.

ku4hx
December 30, 2012, 11:46 AM
Somewhere around 1967 or 1969 I bought two semi auto pistols: 9mm BHP & 45 ACP Llama 1911 form. But until 1991 when I bought my next (Glock 20), most of my shooting was 357 and 44 Magnum. I eroded away the forcing cone of my Ruger Redhawk to the point where I needed to have it fixed or get something else. I used it for partial payment on a trade for a Ruger Super Redhawk 44 Magnum. Loading records show that for the period 1970 - 1990 I fired just short of 30,000 full power rounds. I shot a lot of silhouette matches in those days and just loved the buck and roar of an "Earschplittenloudenboomer".

Cutting your teeth on a big revolver gives you a whole different perspective on what heavy recoil is and what it isn't. And if you move up to a 454 Casull you get to recalibrate all over again.

jeff-10
December 30, 2012, 12:00 PM
The Wal-Mart near my house has 4 main stream calibers left for sale, 40 S&W, 30-30, 357 magnum and 12 gauge. Those 3 are always available at the major sporting goods stores here. 9mm, 308 and 223/5.56 always fly off the shelves.

Wal-Mart even has the 40 S&W Winchester White Box stuff available at a really good price.

premier1
December 30, 2012, 03:23 PM
The 40 S&W when launched was supposed to be like so many other calibers that combination of bigger than (9mm) but smaller and more controllable than (45acp). Like the 357 magnum 41 magnum and maybe even a few others in handgun or rifle calibers the 40 S&W was thought to be the do all and end all caliber. While it has become the choice of law enforcement here in the USA it has not been accepted at all by military forces anywhere. Therefore unlike the 9mm or 45acp there is virtually no surplus ammo available for the 40S&W. While I own and reload for the 9mm,40S&W,45acp,380acp, and even the venerable 38special I will say my least favorite caliber is the 40S&W. I think that the initial fervor for the 40S&W has worn off quite a bit and thats why there are so many available as compared to the 9mm or 45acp. Plain and simply it's not all it's cracked up to be.

MachIVshooter
December 30, 2012, 04:20 PM
As said, .40 is THE LE round, but has not gained as much acceptance in the civilian market, and has even been dying out a bit in more recent years.

No doubt part of it was the expiration of the AWB. .40 was introduced just 5 years before the ban, and when you could only have 10 rounds, might as well make them bigger. But once the ban sunsetted, the appeal of the 9mm became much stronger. On the other end, widespread CCW has made the micro gun market very strong, but technical and practical limitations of tiny guns make the 9mm the top end of power in a true pocket piece. Kel Tec discontinued the P40 because excessive recoil was causing a lot of user-induced malfunctions. The little Kahr .40s are a handful, and remain unpopular compared to the 9mm models.

Additionally, the parent of the .40 S&W, the 10mm auto, has been enjoying a resurgence the last few years. I think much of the thought process there is that if you're going to have a full sized gun, might as well pack the most punch. As well, the 10mm is more flexible.

The .40 isn't a bad round, but it's sacrificed capacity and increased recoil over 9mm hurts it on that end, the sharper recoil impulse for marginal capacity increase versus .45 hurts it on the other end, and offering less performance than 10mm in a gun of equal capacity doesn't help it gain popularity with people who want capacity and power.

srtolly
December 30, 2012, 05:06 PM
I'm one of those people that likes the .40 S&W round. I have 9, .40 and .45 among others. I like the slightly sharper recoil. I can load it for major or minor power factor easily. I would even trade off my 9mm gear for .40.

Don't get me wrong, I like 9mm and .45acp. I've been considering a Glock 22 or a Walther P99 for my next purchase.

taraquian
December 30, 2012, 06:08 PM
Around here the .40 sells pretty good usually, but I have noticed the 9mms are what the panickers get, I think that its just that high capacity means two very different things between 9 and .40. My compact 9mm holds 14 and my very fullsize .40 holds 14, fullsize 9 packs in 18, all are cz 75 style.

If everyone is worried about mag restrictions, a gun that only held 12-14 in hi cap is easier to 'give up' than 18-20.

Jenrick
December 30, 2012, 06:47 PM
.40 S&W got lucky and was introduced around the time reliable expanding JHP's started to really get acceptance in LE. If the .40 S&W had been introduced as an FMJ round, I doubt it would be anything other then an interesting foot note.

-Jenrick

Sauer Grapes
December 30, 2012, 06:47 PM
If your not competing in competion or need to shoot thru car doors and windows, I doubt the .40 would interest a lot of people.
If your like me and carry a full size handgun, giving up a couple rounds to a 9mm is not a big deal. I also think the .40 gives reloaders more options for SD and target\plinking options.
It'll never replace my 45s' for accuracy, but it's not far behind it.

Some have mentioned recoil. I can see where the sub compact platform could be distasteful to shoot. I sometimes carry a PT709. I don't think I'd like to venture into like the PT740.
That's where the 9mm shines IMO.

REAPER4206969
December 30, 2012, 10:14 PM
The .40 is only 23 years old, which is "brand new" in the gun world.

Of course it will be less popular than the 111 year old 9mm.

REAPER4206969
December 30, 2012, 10:16 PM
it has not been accepted at all by military forces anywhere.

U.S. Army special forces use the Glock 22.

The Coast Guard uses .40 as well, if you consider them a military force.

Highland Ranger
December 30, 2012, 10:30 PM
I ve never heard of a .40 SW until i was at a local pawnshop in 1994.

That's because it had just been introduced. I believe in 1992 or thereabouts.

Supposedly the solution to the 9mm "problem".

I bought one the first guns built from the ground up as a 40 - the HK USP. Like it but all these years later when newbies ask me what caliber, I'd go 9 or 45 before recommending 40. Too "snappy" the 40 is.

Maybe its just me but 9mm seems inherently easier to shoot closely followed by the 45. I rarely shoot the 40 these days and never bought a second gun in that caliber.

REAPER4206969
December 30, 2012, 10:58 PM
The .40 was introduced on January 17, 1990.

SOUTHPAW
December 30, 2012, 11:03 PM
That's because it had just been introduced. I believe in 1992 or thereabouts.

Supposedly the solution to the 9mm "problem".

I bought one the first guns built from the ground up as a 40 - the HK USP. Like it but all these years later when newbies ask me what caliber, I'd go 9 or 45 before recommending 40. Too "snappy" the 40 is.

Maybe its just me but 9mm seems inherently easier to shoot closely followed by the 45. I rarely shoot the 40 these days and never bought a second gun in that caliber.


Well, the 9 and 45 are softer shooters, in low pressure, that is.

I think the issue many have with .40 feeling too snappy is what they are comparing it to. The .40 is by design a high pressure cartridge. One simply can not compare 115gr standard pressure 9mm to a .40...

I don't remember if I was told this somewhere, or if I just dreampt it up, but I thought the .40 S&W was originally introduced after the Feds scrapped the .45 in favor of the 10mm, then scrapped the 10mm, and Smith figured they could use the same bullets and just shorten the cartridge a little. Basically seizing the open market without having to reinvent the wheel so to speak. And that can be total BS, I honestly don't know.

As I mentioned, I only own one .40, and only bought it last year. I shoot mostly 9 and 45. The one, new .40 has quickly become my EDC and here's why: my primary carry guns used to always be 9mm. Cheap, 115gr 9mm is great to shoot at the range, but to be as proficient as possible, you should really shoot the same ammo as what you carry. Shooting tons of high quality, +P 9mm (I always carry Winchester PDX-1) is crazy at $1/round... With the .40 I can shoot hundreds of cheap, Walmart WWB for practice, then load up my premium carry ammo and it is consistent...

armsmaster270
December 30, 2012, 11:38 PM
The Coast Guard is indeed a Military force just ask the Coasties that were in Vietnam and the middle east. Douglas Munro ls the lone Coast Guard Medal of Honor recipient from WWII Guadalcanal Campaign. They are also a Federal LE force as well as a Search & Rescue force.

REAPER4206969
December 31, 2012, 01:50 AM
One simply can not compare 115gr standard pressure 9mm to a .40...


You are aware that standard 9x19 loads are 35,000psi and max loads for .40 are...35,000psi?

9mm+P is 38,500psi and 9mm+P+ can go up to 43,000+psi.

Highland Ranger
December 31, 2012, 02:03 AM
You are aware that standard 9x19 loads are 35,000psi and max loads for .40 are...35,000psi?

9mm+P is 38,500psi and 9mm+P+ can go up to 43,000+psi.

Interesting - why is the 40 "snappy" then?

MachIVshooter
December 31, 2012, 02:06 AM
The Coast Guard is indeed a Military force just ask the Coasties that were in Vietnam and the middle east.

Coast Guard is unique. They're department of homeland security during peacetime, Navy during war. So they can be either military or a federal LE agency.

GLOOB
December 31, 2012, 06:07 PM
You are aware that standard 9x19 loads are 35,000psi and max loads for .40 are...35,000psi?

9mm+P is 38,500psi and 9mm+P+ can go up to 43,000+psi.
Interesting - why is the 40 "snappy" then?
PSI means pressure per square inch. A bigger diameter bullet has more square inches. So for the same pressure you get the same weight bullet moving faster. Pretty simple, really.

The 40SW has 27 percent greater area. 1.27x 35,000 psi = 44,450psi. That's the number that will have more meaning in a comparison of energy/recoil, if you used same-weight projectiles and optimal powders for each. The rest is up to case capacity. More capacity means you can use a slower powder. Also, using a heavier projectile generally leads to relatively more momentum/recoil and less energy.

Consider 45ACP. In the same size platform, there's no comparison. It has more recoil than 9mm. And it has a max pressure of only 21,000 psi.

meanmrmustard
December 31, 2012, 09:22 PM
It doesn't say anything about the .40. It just means that the two of the 4 cartridges flying off the shelf are the .223 and 9mm

(the other two are the .308 and .22 long rifle.)
Hell yes. And at a ridiculous rate.

David E
December 31, 2012, 10:21 PM
I was amazed in 2008 that .22 LR was snapped up so fast and for so long, same as now. (the duration yet to be seen) I still don't fully understand why. I'm just glad I already have some.

heeler
December 31, 2012, 10:40 PM
Having read this post several hours ago I just moved on being I have no desire to own a 40 caliber pistol but this evening I found myself at Walmart looking for something entirely unrelated to firearms when my girlfriend decided to fawn over marked down Christmas ornaments I went over to the sporting goods and except for 30-30,270.and 30-06 ammo basically all pistol ammo was gone except...40 S&W.....Amazing I so thought...

GLOOB
January 1, 2013, 06:14 PM
I love 40SW. In the right platform, there's very little difference in recoil. There's very little difference in magazine capacity. And as a reloader, I feel like I can make a more effective round when using cast bullets (also nice that all the data is essentially for max loads, but no one posts +P 9mm data). It doesn't hurt that you can buy a 9mm conversion barrel for most popular 40SW handguns, either.

I would like to get a Charter Arms Pitbull, even. But i haven't caught wind of one, yet.

beatledog7
January 1, 2013, 06:44 PM
Another .40S&W fan here. When I did research for my first semi-auto, the .40 won. I own semis in 9mm, .45 ACP, and .380 now as well, but .40S&W is still my first choice semi-auto round.

I no longer buy factory .40cal ammo, but it's good to know I could if I needed to.

Rockyriver
January 1, 2013, 07:37 PM
40 fan here also, I feel as many police departmants use it, then that means that their research and others must prove its a better round than the 9MM.
I also own 9MM, however I grab the 40 when I go out to get grocerys or to the store. It may be silly, but I don't feel under gunned when I carry a 40.
180 grain HST Federal is my load of choice.

DAdams
January 1, 2013, 11:10 PM
From a prudencey standpoint I have handguns in 7 calibers. 40 didn't interest me much until 2008 when 9 and 45 were scarce commodities and 40 was abundant and so were the handguns. When it comes to stocking up and PD, "snappy" isn't an issue.

If I were a new consumer to the home and PD market (and felt the need to get something right away) and 40 was the only game in town I wouldn't hesitate to make it a viable selection particularly a full size unit and in addition to a home pump 12 ga.

anchorman
January 2, 2013, 12:43 AM
I was amazed in 2008 that .22 LR was snapped up so fast and for so long, same as now. (the duration yet to be seen) I still don't fully understand why. I'm just glad I already have some.

I've been wondering this too. makes me glad I got interested in bolt actions and accurate shooting (not that I'm a pro at that by any means yet) rather than the fun of dumping quantities of lead down range. Saves ammo for now.

Clinton
January 2, 2013, 02:55 AM
Im picking up my first gun tomorrow. Never shot a 40.... but wanted something bigger than a 9 and the 45 was big for me in the palm. So with that went uptown and the xd40 was calling my name and has a home timorrow. With that im not an avid shooter but do keep up on this stuff best I can. With that also got the dillon rl550b coming in the next couple days to reload my own. This gun will be my home protection and possibly my ccw once Illinois gets their ccw stuff worked out. Also. Wanted a semi in the event a ban comes up I have it. For me I feel it a win win. Let you know after I get home from the range tomorrow.......

Clinton

Clinton
January 2, 2013, 02:57 AM
Oh one more thing to mention is if I cant do the job w 1 or 2 rounds I wont be needing the other 10 rounds.... so capacity is not an issue and can buy if you can find one a high cap mag for up to 20 rounds if not mistaken?

Clinton

SOUTHPAW
January 2, 2013, 11:09 AM
Oh one more thing to mention is if I cant do the job w 1 or 2 rounds I wont be needing the other 10 rounds.... so capacity is not an issue and can buy if you can find one a high cap mag for up to 20 rounds if not mistaken?

Clinton

The problem is multiple attackers and other variables.

Having 10 rounds more than you need is better than coming up 1 short... :uhoh:

Also, I read a study somewhere that calculated the average number of rounds used for total incapacitation. 9mm was something like 5-6 shots avg, .40 was 4-5 avg, and .45 was 2-3 avg.

Clinton
January 2, 2013, 11:20 AM
My next will probably be a 357 revolver to shoot 38p

Clinton

Ky Larry
January 2, 2013, 02:57 PM
The .40 S&W is another choice. Just because somebody runs it up the flagpole doesn't mean everybody has to salute it.

Clinton
January 2, 2013, 05:05 PM
Just picked up mine and put 50 rounds through it and I enjoyed shooting this round. 15 yrd All in soda can dimensions. 25 yrd basketball and I have not shot a pistol in years.... pmc loads.

Clinton

SDGlock23
January 3, 2013, 01:44 PM
It is widely popular in LE circles. But in my observations, most people can't shoot a pistol for crap. The .40 does have some recoil, more than both the 9mm and .45 ACP, and honestly most people shoot the 9mm or .45 better than the .40. I cut my teeth on the .40 and I love it, it's my favorite of the three. I reload so I don't worry about availability, but I'm glad there's a lot of .40 out there, it's a great cartridge.

hwmoore
January 3, 2013, 02:19 PM
the 40S&W/357sig/9mm combo of a glock 23/22 got me hooked on the Tupperware gun my others would be a air-weight 38 and a mini 380. I would love to try a PMR30 talk about not being able to find something

Texmex247
January 3, 2013, 02:41 PM
One of my first pistols was a sigma 40ve. I shot it well but always hated the excessive recoil. I sold it within a year or two of owning it and have never looked back. Now, I reload for 8 different calibers and have zero desire to get back into the 40 s&w market. There's nothing a 40 can do that a 45 can't do at about half of the pressure. I hate the square nosed profile of most of the factory offerings for the 40 and back in the day it was expensive to shoot. I admit, if I were new to the gun game, I might buy one just to be able to feed it. Luckily that's not a problem for me and my family of nines and 45s.

SOUTHPAW
January 3, 2013, 03:47 PM
Well I did some more panic buying last night.

Went to my local Walmart for some cat food and misc crap and decoded to stop by the ammo case for a peek. They've been sold out of .22lr, 9mm and .45 since the SHTF and haven't gotten any shipments in either. To my surprise, I noticed the 3,000 rounds of .40 they had were completely gone! There were 2 boxes of match grade .22lr and 4 boxes of UMC .40 100rd value packs, so I snatched them up, along with the last box of .357mag JSP. I shoot .40 the least of all my auto loaders but figured it's better than nothing...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c83/turb0_t0m/F7F4F979-D77A-4CF8-9A10-5D1348339863-191-000000C3ABE151EC.jpg

psyopspec
January 3, 2013, 03:54 PM
U.S. Army special forces use the Glock 22.

As an issue arm? Do you have a source for this?

I've seen 9mm Glocks on their hips, and 1 Glock 21 early on in Afghanistan that was procured through other means. But no .40s.

anchorman
January 3, 2013, 04:09 PM
Well I did some more panic buying last night.

Went to my local Walmart for some cat food and misc crap and decoded to stop by the ammo case for a peek. They've been sold out of .22lr, 9mm and .45 since the SHTF and haven't gotten any shipments in either. [/IMG]

This is the main reason I ever shop at walmart, is that it's a convenient way to gauge the level of paranoia in society. Hurricane Ivan came through here back in 2004, and katrina in 2005. there wasn't a bit of food on the shelves two days before these things hit, but both times I didn't feel the need to panic, as walmart still had a healthy supply of shotgun shells and beer.

I'm really suprised people cleared out the .22lr this time around, that is normally always available around here.

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