Marlin 60 V.S. Marlin 795


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CoyoteSix
December 29, 2012, 03:41 AM
Hey folks. Which is better between the Marlin 795 and the Marlin 60?

Obviously there is a tube-fed VS detachable magazine decision, I like both methods.

I wanna know which one will last me longer and which one has the least functional issues.

Thanks!

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Inebriated
December 29, 2012, 03:44 AM
They're the same, except for how they feed. I like the 795 because of the quicker loading, but there's a lot to be said about the convenience of not needing to bring magazines with you.

okiewita40
December 29, 2012, 04:14 AM
I say go with the 60. I grew up shooting one so I am biased. I just like the tube feed over the mag. feed.

GCBurner
December 29, 2012, 01:29 PM
They're mechanically the same, except for the feed mechanism. I went with the 795, because I got mine to take to Appleseed shoots, which have mag changes as part of the course of fire. You can use a tube mag, too, but it's a lot slower and less convenient.

Pacsd
December 29, 2012, 02:52 PM
I've got a Marlin 60 (early 80 vintage), a 1971 Marlin 783 .22 mag, bolt that are tube feed, a Ruger 10/.22 with 10 round rotary and 25 round mags and a Rem Nylon Mohawk that uses 5 or 10 rd clips. All are convenient to shot depending on what I wanna do on any particular day. The 60 is as good as they come. Or should I say as good as they "used to" come as I don't know the quality of any .22 now a days.

Lupinus
December 29, 2012, 10:51 PM
I have both the 60 and 795, aside from the feeding they are the same.

Personally I prefer my model 60.

Cee Zee
December 30, 2012, 04:17 PM
There's a lot more differences than just the feed mechanism I'm afraid. I have both. The quality of the 60 is far superior to the 795 IMO. I don't see how people think Marlin could sell a rifle for $100 (and they sold a bunch of 795's for that price) and it be as good as the $160 Model 60. But beyond that I own both. The 60 is just built more solidly than the 795.

There's a lot to be said for the 795 though. It is very light (which tells you that it's not the same quality IMO and the shorter length can't explain all the difference in weight and neither can the synthetic stock - I have a 60 with a synthetic stock and it is considerably heavier than the 795) which makes for a very easy rifle to carry with you hunting or whatever. And you can certainly burn up a lot of ammo quick if you own a pocketful of mags. You can load in your living room and shoot a long time out in the yard. They are accurate and they are built fairly well.

But I've owned several 60's and not one of them has given me the trouble my 795 has with feeding issues, broken trigger guards, needing to be cleaned often, and other things like the LSHO feature which has never worked on my 795. I've had to replace the firing pin twice because of that problem and trust me I've tried to fix it. If you don't count your rounds you end up dry firing your rimfire rifle a lot and that is NOT a good thing. I've never had a 60 where the LSHO didn't work and I've owned quite a few and I've been around a lot more than that.

Both rifles are worth buying. I just think the 60 is a superior rifle. That feed mechanism alone can cause quite a few problems.

TyGuy
December 30, 2012, 04:23 PM
I have 2 795s and love them.

ronto
December 30, 2012, 04:30 PM
Another advantage of the tube fed 60 is that it is exempt under Finestein's proposed semi-automatic gun law, the mag fed 795 is not exempt. Although I don't think her stupid law will pass anyway.

FiveInADime
December 30, 2012, 07:35 PM
There's a lot more differences than just the feed mechanism I'm afraid. I have both. The quality of the 60 is far superior to the 795 IMO. I don't see how people think Marlin could sell a rifle for $100 (and they sold a bunch of 795's for that price) and it be as good as the $160 Model 60. But beyond that I own both. The 60 is just built more solidly than the 795.

There's a lot to be said for the 795 though. It is very light (which tells you that it's not the same quality IMO and the shorter length can't explain all the difference in weight and neither can the synthetic stock - I have a 60 with a synthetic stock and it is considerably heavier than the 795) which makes for a very easy rifle to carry with you hunting or whatever. And you can certainly burn up a lot of ammo quick if you own a pocketful of mags. You can load in your living room and shoot a long time out in the yard. They are accurate and they are built fairly well.

But I've owned several 60's and not one of them has given me the trouble my 795 has with feeding issues, broken trigger guards, needing to be cleaned often, and other things like the LSHO feature which has never worked on my 795. I've had to replace the firing pin twice because of that problem and trust me I've tried to fix it. If you don't count your rounds you end up dry firing your rimfire rifle a lot and that is NOT a good thing. I've never had a 60 where the LSHO didn't work and I've owned quite a few and I've been around a lot more than that.

Both rifles are worth buying. I just think the 60 is a superior rifle. That feed mechanism alone can cause quite a few problems.

This is HOGWASH, filled with nonsense. The receiver, barrel, and 95% of the action parts are the same. If you owned them both you would know that. The 795 barreled action is of NO LESS quality than the 60 barreled action. And before the 795 evolved from the 70, the 60 was selling for $89.99 years ago and represented the cheapest semi-auto that I knew of.

rbernie
December 30, 2012, 07:37 PM
I prefer the tube magazine; it is easier to carry, and can't be lost in the field.

FiveInADime
December 30, 2012, 07:52 PM
In my response to my other post: sorry that was a little over-the-top. That was just an opinion, I don't agree with, but I need to add some qualifiers. The 60 also has a plastic trigger guard now, but the old ones were metal. So the 60 and 795 are in the same boat with that. The LSHO feature on the 795 took me a while to get working every time, too. The 60's LSHO, does seem to be less finicky, but that is still all related to the differences in the feed mechanisms. I will say that the 60's are more likely to start jamming because the ejector wire can be easily knocked out of place. My 795 NEVER jams even after a brick of ammo in one sitting.

TyGuy
December 31, 2012, 01:36 AM
Te 795 with Tech Sights is perfect for Appleseed shoots.

Recon Ron
December 31, 2012, 01:39 AM
Never had an issue with my 795, my brother has never had an issue with his 60.

Go with what you like.

They both plink 100yards like champs.

mr.t7024
December 31, 2012, 10:09 AM
I prefer the "60" for one reason, I am not a fan of magazines hanging below the stock! That being said,I did purchase a Savage 64, go figure...:) Cliff!

Cee Zee
December 31, 2012, 10:41 AM
This is HOGWASH, filled with nonsense

Then why did you post it? Oh you're saying my post is hogwash. Gotcha. ;)

I guess I'm blind and I can't tell when my firing pin breaks and my gun won't shoot. I also can't tell when the LSHO doesn't work and that one rifle is more accurate than another. I also couldn't tell time so I didn't notice it took 10 months to get the second trigger guard that broke. I can't tell that a rifle that had 4 breakdowns that required new parts to fix in under a year is not as good as a rifle that went 20 years without ever breaking anything. The only problem that 20 year old rifle had was when I bent the ejector wire. I got it fixed by putting that part back in position using to the expensive gauge I got to fix it. It was made from pure nickel. In fact it was a nickel.

Go ahead and believe Marlin sells a $100 gun with the same parts (well 95% of the same parts anyway) as a gun that costs $160. Maybe the action looks similar but it is weaker in pretty much every way. I can take them apart and take photos to prove my point and I will do just that if you ask nice.


If that stuff is hogwash I'm guilty. What I'm not guilty of is being rude. Have a nice day.

Ok, I see you posted again and in a more civil manner.

The 60 also has a plastic trigger guard now, but the old ones were metal

The 60 has had a plastic tg for over 25 years. I couldn't say just how far back they go because I haven't seen one that old in a while.

And I have to clean my 795 about every 500 rounds or it will start failing to feed and eject on almost every round. I never cleaned my old 60 for 11 years and it never acted that way. I started cleaning it when it started to have feeding problems. I cleaned it once and waited another 7 years to clean it again.

Your theory is just that, a theory. My 795 jams far more often than my old 60 ever did or any 60 I ever had for that matter.

CraigC
December 31, 2012, 08:22 PM
I know they're supposed to be nearly identical but have to agree with Cee Zee that the model 60 impresses as a much better built rifle than the 795.

My model 60, which is 30yrs old now, has a plastic triggerguard.

colorado_handgunner
December 31, 2012, 08:37 PM
Love my 795 and I just picked up a 25 round ProMag high capacity magazine. Got 2 more on order. With the reflex sight on it, it is awesome.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

heavydluxe
December 31, 2012, 10:37 PM
Our first rifle was a 795 purchased last Christmas... It was, right around that time, $100 thanks to a rebate.

I've shot a very recent Marlin 60 and I believe it's fair to say that the only differences between the two rifles are: The stock (wood in the 60 vs synthetic in the 795) and the magazine mechanics. They both have identical bolts, springs, and just about every other part - assuming you're talking a base-model 60.

FWIW, we love our rifle. It's very accurate, easy to operate, and easy to maintain. Ours, we think, had the canted scope dovetail issue... But, we were always planning to put iron sights on it anyway. We purchased a set of Tech Sights (a la the Appleseeders) and have loved it. My son, who is far-and-away the best shot in the family, got great glee out of picking off sporting clays at 75 and 100yrds at a recent shoot with grown ups. Like I said, it shoots.

The biggest downside to both rifles is the trigger... the stock Remlin trigger is far from wonderful. There are various threads around on the net re: how to improve the trigger (we haven't) as well as drop-in replacements slowly coming to market.

I think you'd be happy with either rifle, so it really comes down to how you prefer to load/unload. FWIW, the detachable magazine seemed faster/more effective to us and also emulates at least part of what you encounter on other popular rifles.

As an aside, the standard capacity magazines from Marlin for this rifle hold 10 rounds. The higher capacity magazines I've seen have all, as far as I know, received relatively negative reviews and resulted in a lot of malfunctions for their purchasers. With that in mind, I don't think I'd worry too much about any potential impact of legislation currently in the works...

heavydluxe
December 31, 2012, 10:39 PM
One additional thought: If you're looking at a somewhat older, used Model 60, it's a different discussion. The construction of the older models from Marlin is, without a doubt, superior to what was being produced at least through last year (when we purchased ours).

TyGuy
December 31, 2012, 10:40 PM
If anyone is interested I could post a video to a mod that let's the Marlin 795 bolt close on a full magazine after locking back on an empty one if you pull the charging handle back and release.

TyGuy
December 31, 2012, 10:41 PM
Love my 795 and I just picked up a 25 round ProMag high capacity magazine. Got 2 more on order. With the reflex sight on it, it is awesome.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

I would appreciate a review of that mag.

Muzzlelover
January 1, 2013, 03:11 PM
they're basically the same gun other than their magazines.I chose the 795 and I LOVE mine.

mberoose
January 1, 2013, 03:41 PM
Had a 795, sold it. Bought a 10/22, sold it. Bought another 795. Doubt this one is going anywhere. 4.94 lbs. with empty mag & Tasco scope mounted, incredibly light.

Would still like a nice stainless 60 at some point.

Big JJ
January 1, 2013, 10:59 PM
I own both and enjoy shooting both.
I will tell you there is no question that I will always take the 795 with me every time I go hunting.
The weight differance is a very attrative feature in favor of the 795.
I hunted 3 miles in 4 inchs of snow today in the Sierra's and never had an issue with the 795 and a Walmart sling.
Besides the weight differance the guns shoot the same.
I tape two 10 round magazines together to get 20 rounds here in Cali.
We cannot have more than 10 rounds in each mag.
One is a tube feed magazine and the other is a clip feed magazine.
It is your choice.

TyGuy
January 2, 2013, 12:16 PM
I personally find the 10/22 controls a deal breaker. If only the 795 had the aftermarket support of the 10/22

jimherb
January 2, 2013, 02:08 PM
I have a Glenfield Model 60 (made by Marlin). It would shoot the eyes out of a gnat if I could see a gnat. I usually stuff 15 rounds down the tube. Seems more convienient to me. Your mileage may vary.

Ar180shooter
January 2, 2013, 11:08 PM
Then why did you post it? Oh you're saying my post is hogwash. Gotcha. ;)

I guess I'm blind and I can't tell when my firing pin breaks and my gun won't shoot. I also can't tell when the LSHO doesn't work and that one rifle is more accurate than another. I also couldn't tell time so I didn't notice it took 10 months to get the second trigger guard that broke. I can't tell that a rifle that had 4 breakdowns that required new parts to fix in under a year is not as good as a rifle that went 20 years without ever breaking anything. The only problem that 20 year old rifle had was when I bent the ejector wire. I got it fixed by putting that part back in position using to the expensive gauge I got to fix it. It was made from pure nickel. In fact it was a nickel.

Go ahead and believe Marlin sells a $100 gun with the same parts (well 95% of the same parts anyway) as a gun that costs $160. Maybe the action looks similar but it is weaker in pretty much every way. I can take them apart and take photos to prove my point and I will do just that if you ask nice.


If that stuff is hogwash I'm guilty. What I'm not guilty of is being rude. Have a nice day.

Ok, I see you posted again and in a more civil manner.



The 60 has had a plastic tg for over 25 years. I couldn't say just how far back they go because I haven't seen one that old in a while.

And I have to clean my 795 about every 500 rounds or it will start failing to feed and eject on almost every round. I never cleaned my old 60 for 11 years and it never acted that way. I started cleaning it when it started to have feeding problems. I cleaned it once and waited another 7 years to clean it again.

Your theory is just that, a theory. My 795 jams far more often than my old 60 ever did or any 60 I ever had for that matter.

So your experience with that one rifle having reliability issues after 500 rounds or so determines build quality? Thanks for the info, but that is utter BS. The rifles are basically the same, but there has been a decrease in overall marlin quality over the past few years, so I have no doubt that your OLD model 60 is of better quality than your NEW 795, but of comparable vintage, quality is identical.

Cee Zee
January 3, 2013, 03:33 PM
They both have identical bolts, springs, and just about every other part - assuming you're talking a base-model 60.

Not true. I can prove it too.

The construction of the older models from Marlin is, without a doubt, superior to what was being produced at least through last year

Also not true. The new models are almost identical to the old ones and I can prove that too.

that is utter BS.

I really like the nice friendly folks here. I like being cursed for having an opinion. Really. It's so much fun when I prove them wrong.

OK it looks like I need to get out my old 60, my new 60 and the 795. First I'll prove that the old 60 and the new 60 have nearly identical parts but the new 60 has a heavier built action which generally means a better built action. The side walls of the action are clearly thicker on the new 60. Then I'll prove that the 795 does not have identical parts to the 60's despite what everyone seems to think.

Let's start with the differences between a 795 and a 60. Here let's look at the difference in the sidewall thickness of the action.

http://www.a-framevideo.com/X%2060%20%26%20795%20sidewall%20thickness%20differences.jpg

The top is from a 795. The bottom is from a 60. Notice the thickness of the sidewall of the action. The much stronger of the two is clearly the 60. But we're not done. Now let's look at some of the springs used in the two actions. The top example is from the 795 showing a very thin wire which means a very flimsy spring. Notice how thick and strong the same spring is on the 60.

http://www.a-framevideo.com/X%20795%20thin%20spring.jpg

http://www.a-framevideo.com/X%2060%20thick%20spring.jpg

One more photo from the 795 here. This piece doesn't even appear on the 60 action. That's my knife prying it out so you can see just how thin it is.

http://www.a-framevideo.com/X%20795%20thin%20piece.jpg

I think this makes it very clear that the 795 is not built anywhere near as solid as a 60. I doubt you will admit it but that doesn't change the facts. Don't expect me to stick around and play spank the monkey with you about this. I proved my point. That's enough.

Now for the question of whether new 60's are far worse than old 60's. Here's two actions from different 60's. One is from 1989. The other is from 2009. They are practically identical. There are minor differences but I'm not pointing them out. There are no differences like those between the 60 and the 795 shown above. It's not even close to being that obvious. And while one difference is an advantage for the old 60 another is an advantage for the new 60. And we haven't even discussed the triggers. Marlin improved their triggers a great deal just a few years ago. But clearly you don't know that. I do. At any rate see if you can pick which is the old 60 and which is the new 60.

http://www.a-framevideo.com/X%2060%20%26%2060.jpg

One last thing and I'm gone. I was just accused of juding my 795 based on just "500 rounds or so". I have no idea where they got that figure. It wasn't from me. I've shot that rifle about 15,000 - 20,000 rounds. I love it. I might shoot it more than any rifle I own. But it is not as good as a 60 in terms of absolute quality and that goes for my old 60 and my new one (which are not different in the level of their quality in any way). It is lighter and a lot of fun to shoot and that means a lot. And I have both a new 60 and an old 60. They are practically identical but my new one is far more accurate for whatever reason.

Have a nice day people. And a hearty "BS" to you too. :) But have a nice day, seriously. I think maybe you could use one. I know I could.

CraigC
January 3, 2013, 03:45 PM
Nice!

I thought the 60 and 795 were the same too until I actually looked at them. I discovered quickly there were very good reasons for the price difference.

Cee Zee
January 3, 2013, 03:50 PM
Thanks Craig. I'm glad someone appreciated how long I worked on this "BS". ;) I spent half the morning just taking the photos. It wasn't worth it for sure. But being the hard headed hillbilly idjit that I am well here it is. The design of the two is similar but there are significant differences in how well it's executed. If people spent two minutes looking at both actions they would know they are different but people would rather read it on the web and argue it to the death with someone who clearly has both and can look when he wants to. Makes sense to me - wait a minute - no it doesn't. :)

Recon Ron
January 3, 2013, 04:04 PM
Cee Zee Post 16 second paragraph from the bottom is when you stated 500 rounds.



Just an observer.


BTW thank you for the pictures of those actions.

Cee Zee
January 3, 2013, 04:09 PM
OK Ron. Thanks for the heads up. That was me saying I had to clean the rifle every 500 rounds. I didn't say I had only shot it 500 rounds. But you're right that they probably got the whole 500 rounds thing there. People don't read what you actually write on these boards. They only want to hear what they already believe most of the time. Oh well. I guess being human beats being a skunk even though nobody messes with a skunk! ;)

CraigC
January 3, 2013, 04:15 PM
Sometimes you have to provide pictures to illustrate your point to those too hardheaded to accept the facts. Even so, some folks will still argue with you. `Tis the nature of the beast. ;)

Cee Zee
January 3, 2013, 04:20 PM
LOL it's true. I told them I didn't expect them to believe it despite actual evidence. It's the internet after all. Most people could care less about facts. :)

Recon Ron
January 3, 2013, 04:22 PM
Remember their buddies, friends, uncle's, son was a SEAL and he said they were the same action.

Why would they trust you? ;)

Cee Zee
January 3, 2013, 04:28 PM
Exactly! I could end up not trusting myself here. Who am I going to believe? My own lying eyes or a bona fide expert????

heeler
January 3, 2013, 04:29 PM
If I am using the Marlin for hunting or plinking I dont mind the tubular fed magazine at all.
However at a strict gun range having to deal with unloading it during the cease fire is a pain as well as dealing with one of the ever present kid range masters that are giving me the hard eye.
At those times I really prefer the detachable magazine.
Thusly, I recently bought a 10/22.
Sold my old Marlin 60 but I still have one that was given to me as a gift in 1992 that has had exactly one box(50 rounds) put through it in all those years.
Yea I know..Safe queen.

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