Just picked up a Rohrbaugh R9


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C0untZer0
December 30, 2012, 02:11 AM
It's actually the R9s Stealth - small s denotes sights, the Stealth model has a black frame and black nitride slide.

I just unboxed it, and threw a SnapCap in it to try the trigger out. The pistol is very well put together, high quality fit and finish. The DAO trigger is very smooth, only a slight amount of stacking toward the very end and it has a fairly crisp break.

It's a true pocket pistol, it fits comfortably in my Levi jeans front pocket and dissapears from view. I'm comfortable walking with it, sitting down and standing back up - it's very comfortable.

I field stripped it, cleaned it and lubed it according to the manual, but man is this thing hard to put back together. There is a special tool that makes it pretty easy, and I'm going to order it, but the guy who makes it is in NY and not fully recovered from hurricane Sandy. His should be shipping his device again in a few weeks and I can't wait. In my clean and organized workspace I twice lost the retaining pin and the second time it took me 10 minutes to find it. It took me almost 30 mintes to put the thing back together. I'm sure I'll get better at it, but I really need that tool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58xJ9Fv0P6Y


I'll post more when I actually get it out to the range.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=176857&stc=1&d=1356847472
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=176858&stc=1&d=1356847472

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C0untZer0
December 30, 2012, 02:15 AM
One thing I am encountering already is the gun comes out of the pocket still wearing the holster. I guess i'll be looking at some other pocket holsters.

A couple more pics:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=176860&stc=1&d=1356847942
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=176861&stc=1&d=1356847942

bannockburn
December 30, 2012, 09:30 AM
Nice gun and nice pics too. Look forward to seeing your range report.

WLB
December 30, 2012, 09:30 AM
One has been my edc for years and I am sure you will enjoy it. I use the same holster as you but have never had it come out with the gun.

PabloJ
December 30, 2012, 09:57 AM
That is the smallest 9x19 one can hope to find and head and shoulders above rest of tiny stuff out there. It has been almost a year, but I'm still kicking myself for not picking up second hand one in top shape for $850.

scaatylobo
December 30, 2012, 11:07 AM
I had one for a few years and just sold it to a fellow in Ca. who has to have it altered to fit the Ca. spec's for a "mag fed" gun = LOL.

I own a Kimber Solo and a Kahr PM40 ,so the R-9 was an expensive extra to those.

I was not a fan of it ,and it was not really at all fun to shoot.

I did practice with gloves on as I do for most of my smaller guns.

I am curious as to if you like the way it shoots.

I did shoot a 50 round qual with the Kahr PM 40 as well as the R-9.

Was not fun but was doable.

PabloJ
December 30, 2012, 11:11 AM
I had one for a few years and just sold it to a fellow in Ca. who has to have it altered to fit the Ca. spec's for a "mag fed" gun = LOL.

I own a Kimber Solo and a Kahr PM40 ,so the R-9 was an expensive extra to those.

I was not a fan of it ,and it was not really at all fun to shoot.

I did practice with gloves on as I do for most of my smaller guns.

I am curious as to if you like the way it shoots.

I did shoot a 50 round qual with the Kahr PM 40 as well as the R-9.

Was not fun but was doable.
That is because just like LCP 9x17 the R9 is short range defensive pistol designed with deep concealment in mind a la 'Mitt Romney Style'.

JohnBT
December 30, 2012, 12:31 PM
"for not picking up second hand one in top shape for $850"

No kidding, I paid $850 for my like-new R9 ('only 200 rounds fired') in early 2007.

I've threatened to sell the original black carbon fiber grips for $200 or $300, but I like it the way it is and carry it every day.

John

hardluk1
December 30, 2012, 06:32 PM
Is the R9 all thats after all. Its a nice option as one of many micro 9mm. Those R9 may be the smallest when only lenght and height is looked at but by so little to several others and not the lightest by any margin. PF-9 and DB9 are both lighter with the db9 being thinner at there widest than the r9. The cm9 is so close overall with only 1/8" longer and 1/4" taller and thinner at there max. Weight is under an oz different and +P rated. R9 is not +p rated ether , no slide hold open and no mag release botton and less capacity with no option for larger cap mags as back up if needed or wanted. But it is and option for a few. R9 advertised weight is with out mag add the mag and its 15oz. AND you need a new recoil spring ever 200 rounds fired!!.

MedWheeler
December 30, 2012, 09:17 PM
^^ I had heard the part where you're supposed to replace the recoil spring every 200 rounds, which I found amazing. But, is it true they have no magazine release button? How do you remove the magazine?

C0untZer0
December 30, 2012, 09:24 PM
European style heel release.

And it's not easy.

I have to push up on the magazine plate with the ring finger on my right hand and pull back on the heel release with my left index.

This gets into the role of the pistol, and people's decisions and trade-offs. You can prepare for more situations and carry a handgun that holds 17 rounds all the time, or you can make trade-offs.

Another part of the trade off with this little pistol is magazine changes are not going to be as quick as a P7M8 - for example.

C0untZer0
December 30, 2012, 09:29 PM
The R9 is 13.5 ounces empty

The magazine is 1.6 ounces

Fully loaded with seven rounds of 115gr ammo, my pistol weighs 17.8 ounces.

I got these measurments from actually weighing it on a scale.

KTXdm9
December 30, 2012, 09:46 PM
How do you guys like the grips? Seems like they could be slick, but I've never held one.

JohnBT
December 30, 2012, 10:08 PM
"R9 is not +p rated"

Look at the Gold Dot specs. Out of a full-sized gun you will get 50 fps more than standard 9mm.

Mag capacity is more than a S&W Airweight.

My R9 with the orginial carbon fiber grips weighs 12.8 ounces. I carried a P-32 for ten years; the R9 is small enough.

The gun is small, the recoil spring wears out quickly and costs $4.95 to replace. It's a non issue compared to ammo cost. And anyway, have you shot a Rohrbaugh 200 times? I shot mine 101 times the first time out. Do it and get back to me.

I've asked more than one person what they would pick if someone offered to buy them a small 9mm. Would they really pick a Kahr or DB9 over a Rohrbaugh?

C0untZer0
December 30, 2012, 10:21 PM
I haven't fired mine yet, but a lot of guys put VZ Grips on them and they say it improves manageability.

Some people have said that the 320 Carbon Fiber VZ gives the best grip.

https://vzgrips.com/gun-grips/rohrbaugh-r9/carbon-fiber

C0untZer0
December 30, 2012, 11:12 PM
Kahr only lists the width of the slide, which they list at .90"

The slide width on the Rohrbaugh is .82" I'm only listing it here because Kahr lists it for the PM9/CM9.

The Kahr PM9/CM9 and MK9 have slide stop levers which takes the width of the pistol out to 1"

There is no slide stop or magazine release on the R9 to add to the overall thickness of the pistol. However, the Rohrbaugh does get a little thicker, it is widest right at the base of the grip by the magazine well, where it is .95" across.

I got these measurements by taking my digital caliber to the R9 and taking measurements at different points trying to find the maximum thickness.

I think the PM9/CM9 is a great little gun, they seem to be a lot less picky about ammo than just about any other micro nine out there. I just wanted lighter smaller and was willling to pay a premium for that.

meanmrmustard
December 31, 2012, 07:08 AM
I'm confused: What does that tiny gun do that it costs $850?

JohnBT
December 31, 2012, 12:21 PM
What does it do? It's a gun.

It's an $1100 gun new. No, the Stealth model is $1195. Some people like really nice, really accurate, reliable guns and can afford it. Here's a review.

www.americanrifleman.org/ArticlePage.aspx?id=1932&cid=19

I stopped by a gun range yesterday. A new BHP MkIII was tagged $979. I thought I paid too much 11 years ago - $570.

I'm starting to sound like my grandparents - "It costs how much?"

John

76shuvlinoff
December 31, 2012, 12:46 PM
The R9s on Gunbroker now are in the neighborhood of $1500.


edit to add: sorry, that's a "special" edition.

kokapelli
December 31, 2012, 01:30 PM
What does it do? It's a gun.

It's an $1100 gun new. No, the Stealth model is $1195. Some people like really nice, really accurate, reliable guns and can afford it. Here's a review.

www.americanrifleman.org/ArticlePage.aspx?id=1932&cid=19

I stopped by a gun range yesterday. A new BHP MkIII was tagged $979. I thought I paid too much 11 years ago - $570.

I'm starting to sound like my grandparents - "It costs how much?"

John
The R9 is a neat little pistol, but having had the opportunity to finally shoot an R9 not long ago I have to say that 9mm in a pistol as small as the R9 is too much power for many people to shoot accurately.

My son recently purchased a Sig 938 and it was not nearly as punishing to shoot as the R9, but still is a handful.

For me, these two comments in the American Rifleman article are pretty important when considering a pistol for self self defense.
"recoil is sharp and muzzle flip pronounced."

"the handling of the gun is such that the 25-yard standard of five consecutive, five-shot groups is a challenge."

This combined with the fact that when we talk about how much more powerful 9mm is compared to 380 we usually are thinking about 9mm out of pistols with much longer barrels than the R9 has.

For me the P238 is the perfect balance of quality, reliability, size, controllability, accuracy and with the ability for fast followup shots. JMO

heeler
December 31, 2012, 01:51 PM
I would certainly own the R9.
I dont think I would buy one though.
But I would not dog a guy who did.
Having paid $710 including taxes three years ago for my nite sight equipped PM9 I think it will be sometime before I spring that sort of money again for a pistol.
Fwiw my PM9 weighs exactly 20 ounces loaded.
And as long as I use the standard six round magazine it has never once choked on any type of ammo and I have run at least eight different brands of ammo through it that I can remember from 115 gr. to 147 gr. both fmj and HP.
So it isn't ammo picky at all.

JohnBT
December 31, 2012, 02:44 PM
"9mm in a pistol as small as the R9 is too much power for many people to shoot accurately."

Considering the number of people who can't shoot a full-sized 9mm accurately, I'd say you were right. :)

Otoh, I've had skinny 13-year-olds shoot mine repeatedly and ask for more. A former co-worker's wife shot it one trip and on the next trip asked to shoot a couple of mags as soon as we got to the range. She isn't a shooter even though her father was a regular at Camp Perry. She has the basic skills, lacks any fear of guns or noise, and just hasn't been interested in shooting. But she took a liking to the R9. Go figure. I think it has something to do with whether or not you expect shooting to hurt. If you're relaxed you don't tense up and can just roll with the recoil.

John

Rembrandt
December 31, 2012, 03:32 PM
No question the Rohrbaugh R9 is a fine pocket carry, but shooting comfort is not what it will be remembered for. Fit and finish are excellent.

For compact 9mm shooting comfort, I'll give the nod to Boberg. I think much of it has to do with the grip shape of each gun and how it sits in the web of your hand......see overlay below.


http://community.bobergarms.com/photo/boberg-xr9s-9mmp-vs-rorhbaugh?context=album&albumId=2312567%3AAlbum%3A1249

C0untZer0
December 31, 2012, 04:29 PM
I seriously looked at the Boberg. The main reason I didn't go with the Boberg is the weight.

I know we're only talking a few ounces but at some point it's like that game "Don't spill the beans" that one extra ounce at some point becomes too much for pocket carry.

From what I've read, even though the Boberg has a shorter OAL than the Rohrbaugh, a lot of the guys who have one have said that they think it's a little too bulky or heavy for pocket carry. I'm sure there are people out there who love the Boberg for pocket carry just like there are people who stuff G26s in their pockets and call it good.

meanmrmustard
December 31, 2012, 09:19 PM
What does it do? It's a gun.

It's an $1100 gun new. No, the Stealth model is $1195. Some people like really nice, really accurate, reliable guns and can afford it. Here's a review.

www.americanrifleman.org/ArticlePage.aspx?id=1932&cid=19

I stopped by a gun range yesterday. A new BHP MkIII was tagged $979. I thought I paid too much 11 years ago - $570.

I'm starting to sound like my grandparents - "It costs how much?"

John
Then I sound like mine: I don't see paying $850 for that. Gun or not, that's ridiculously expensive for a pocket 9.

rtz
December 31, 2012, 11:10 PM
Interesting video on it:

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ddc
January 1, 2013, 01:32 AM
I picked up a used R9S a couple of months ago.

I brought it home, showed it to my wife. She said: "wow honey, thanks!"

I started to say: "uhmm, well, er, that wasn't really supposed to be for y.." and then I caught myself in time.

We took it to the range and although it is a bit of a handful she was able to put half a box of American Eagle 124FMJ through it before she wanted to go back to her much loved Browning Hi Power. She does have an issue with it torquing in her hand a bit as she works her way through a magazine. We'll look at alternative grips and maybe a sleeve or grip tape.

I like it enough that I picked up another used one for myself. I picked up a "sticky holster" http://www.stickyholsters.com/ and it is working fairly well for front pocket carry.

They both seem to like Speer GD 124 JHP which is a good thing.

C0untZer0
January 2, 2013, 02:03 AM
I got out to the range today and put 50 rounds of 124gr Gold Dots through it without a hitch.

I was able to repeatedly keep five rounds in 2" at 15 yards, offhand firing. I'm sure there are people out there who can do better with their Rohrbaugh, but this is my first time firing the little pistol.

I'm happy with that accuracy for my first time out.

I'm going to have to do a lot more training with it before I can rapidly get follow-up shots on target, but I'm sure that will change.

JohnBT
January 2, 2013, 11:00 AM
"I'm sure there are people out there who can do better with their Rohrbaugh"

A lot of folks have shot mine during the past 5+ years. The best shooter so far could shoot it extremely well offhand at 20 yards. We were on a 25-yard range, but he didn't try that distance.

He was a young guy, either military or former military, the kind of guy who gets invited along when the Seal team goes bar hopping in Virginia Beach. Nice guy too. He told me about his buddies and the competition they participate in and how they get together to load hundreds of thousands of rounds, etc. No wonder he was that good. When he shot the R9 the front sight only lifted a fraction of an inch.

My friend that brought him to the range that day - a dads and kids trip to a private range - vouched for him.

Highland Ranger
January 2, 2013, 07:13 PM
I've wanted one for years but hard to find in NJ. Use it in good health.

C0untZer0
January 5, 2013, 03:59 AM
This was 7 shots firing one handed at 21 feet:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=177179&stc=1&d=1357372747
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=177180&stc=1&d=1357372751

C0untZer0
January 25, 2013, 12:29 AM
I put another 100 rounds through the Rohrbaugh

Mostly 124 gr Gold Dot and 124 gr Lawman, but I also put a few magazine of 147gr Gold Dots, 147gr PDX and 147gr Winchester Ranger T.

124gr Lawman are spot on. I've heard people talk about the R9 having bad sights, but I think they're fine and I can keep 7 of those Lawman in an inch at 21 feet.

The 147gr is a different story though. Like I said I used Gold Dot, PDX and Ranger T, and the shot groups really opened up. Probably 3.5 inches at 21 feet. I haven't figured that out yet, I'll keep shooting and see what I turn up.

I'm at 150 rounds and no problems.

PGT
January 25, 2013, 01:33 AM
Did you have your mind set on the Rohrbaugh? Did you happen to look at the Boberg XR9? I'd like a pocket 9mm and both are intriguing.

docnyt
January 25, 2013, 02:09 AM
Can't wait to get one. Looks like the ordering queue is messed up according to my LGS due to weather damage at the main (only) office.

C0untZer0
January 25, 2013, 09:09 AM
The hurricane has put them behind, I know that. I heard that Karl Rohrbaugh's house was destroyed. And I'm sure that has diverted attention away from the business as he tries to get his personal affairs put back together. They announced on the Rohrbaugh forum that production was back to normal.

I ordered my pistol in October and there was a 4 week back order then.

I did look at the Boberg, I read posts from people who had both the XR9-S and the R9 and most of them thought that the XR9-S was a little heavy for pocket carry. They all said it was a great IWB gun that was super comfortable, almost unoticeable in a holster, but a little too heavy for pocket carry.

I have an HK P7M8 so if I am going to put on a holster I will wear the HK. I really did want a true pocket pistol so I went with the R9.

The total package, R9 + 7 rounds is just under 18 ounces, and it drops in jeans front pocket or the front pocket of my cotton Dockers easilyand I hardly notice it is there. I have no trouble retrieving the pistol out of the pocket except occasionally now the holster still come out with the pistol. Part of it is training myself to sweep the holster off against the pocket on the draw, but I am using a Nemesis holster right now and I'm sure there are pocket holsters out there that stay in the pocket better.

heeler
January 25, 2013, 09:27 AM
Wow...A fully loaded and reliable 9mm that weighs under 18 ounces.
Very nice.

heeler
January 25, 2013, 11:22 AM
Since my PM9 comes in at 20 ounces loaded I would say the 3 ounces makes little difference.
Size is what will make or break a 9mm that is or is not a pocket pistol.
In relaxed fit jeans my holstered PM9 is as big as I want to go.
In work slacks or other lighter weight paints or shorts then it's LCP time.
You get a small and light 9mm in a 380 package with the R9.
But it does not come cheap and I am sure the recoil is quite stout.

Mike OTDP
January 25, 2013, 01:18 PM
I've got an R9. I'm of two minds on this gun. The recoil is stout - not painful, but a follow-up shot is delayed while you pull the gun back down on target. Knowing what I know now, I'd buy an R380 over the R9. On the other hand, it's pretty compact. Not quite Seecamp small, but you could easily stuff it in a pocket holster with nobody raising an eyebrow. And the build quality is outstanding.

9mmDietCokeLover
January 26, 2013, 01:38 AM
I had one for about a week or two. Then sold it for a huge loss. It looked cool though. And I guess since it costs so much and looks cool you could say it's "Classy". It's a novelty item and would be good for a curiosity collection if you have the money to collect things that aren't used a lot.

I chambered a snap cap (AZoom) and ejected it slowly it got caught in the slide and frame. And guess what - the aluminum frame was so soft the snap cap put a huge ding with sticking up sharp edge that affected the frame and slide. I broke the piece off so it worked but had a huge gouge and ding still remaining.

I had no confidence in it. I wish I still had the pictures I took. I was going to send them to the owner, but from the videos I've seen, he seems like a real jerk with a bad attitude. I don't know what kind of Aluminum they use but after taking a Metallurgy class recently I know they could do much better with material choices. Either a different material or a stronger Aluminum as there are some great choices out there. Maybe titanium? $$$$$ even more.

I choose to not get angry at the time and just forget about. I felt like the biggest sucker. But I have cooled off a little on it. Enough to let people know how I feel about it and that they should steer clear (unless they are a collector). Get a Seecamp or J-Frame, maybe LCP? Better choices and you save money.

Then the replacement of the recoil spring every 200 rounds? I shot 100 rds on the first outing. Not impressed. I get it - the owner of the company says it's like a drag racing car - you have to rebuild it after the race. Wonderful! Practicing with it uses not only ammo but recoil springs.

What did impress me was the trigger, caliber, size and weight. I'm not totally blind with my disappointment. But those positive attributes only go so far and doesn't instill trust or reliability.

What's better and similar? A STEEL Seecamp in your choice of .32 or .380. It would be heavier, but more durable by far.

I thought it was a rip-off. I thought it should be made of steel too IMO even at the expense of more weight.

That's my $.02 about the Rohrbaugh.

JohnBT
January 26, 2013, 09:13 AM
"had one for about a week or two."

"if you have the money to collect things that aren't used a lot."


If you sell them after a week or two you can't use them a lot. I've carried my R9 everyday since I bought it used in spring of 2007 and I haven't gone broke yet buying $4.95 recoil springs. It's not a range or plinking gun after all.

The weight of a loaded R9 is about the max I want to front pocket carry in dress slacks without reinforcing the pocket so the fabric doesn't sag on that side. With jeans or canvas hiking pants it doesn't make any difference.

"he seems like a real jerk with a bad attitude"

He's not.

John

C0untZer0
January 26, 2013, 06:19 PM
Karl Rohrbaugh stands behind his product. Any manufacturer of any product has some unhappy customers, as much as the feedback is mostly positive on the Rohrbaugh forum, occasionally someone has a problem and posts.

The advice is alway that they send it back to Rohrbaugh, and in almost all of the cases that I've read about Karl fixes whatever the problem is.

I haven't had a problem.

I practice everyday with A-Zooms, doing magazine changes over and over so I can get good at it.

The gun has a heel magazine latch to eliminate the possibility that the mag release gets bumbed while its in the pocket. Some people don't like that. I know it makes for difficult mag changes, so that's why I practice swapping out magazines. I've cycled hundreds of A-Zooms and Tipton Snap-Caps through the pistol just practicing mag changes.

As you travel up the scale you can always say one or two or a few onces doesn't make a difference. The MK9 is slightly smaller than the PM9/CM9 but it's a tad over 22 ounces empty... I think it's a great little gun, just not a pocket gun for all pockets. The PM9/CM9 is close to the R9 in weight, but slightly larger - longer and higher, the R9 is 5.2" long, 3.7" high. The R9 weighs 13.5 ounces empty, my R9 weighs 18.3 ounces loaded with 7 rounds of 147gr Gold Dots.

C0untZer0
January 26, 2013, 06:23 PM
When I use my Glock 17L - that means I'm firing it at the range. It's a range gun and that's what its for.

When I use my R9, it's in my pocket.


Well actually, I don't carry yet because I'm in Illinois waiting for this Moore v Madigan decision to play out - but you get the idea :D

Nasty
January 27, 2013, 09:48 AM
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/raynewton/Photobucket/db9x75rds.jpg


FWIW...the specs on DB9 Vs Rohrbaugh R9:

DB9
Capacity: 6+1 Rounds
Weight: 11 Ounces
Length: 5.60"
Height: 4.00" with mag
Width: 0.80"
Barrel Length: 3.00"
Price: Around $300


Rohrbaugh R9
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:2.9in
Length:5.2in
Height:3.7in NOTE: This does not include the sights or mag release
Width: 0.90"
Weight:13.5oz
Magazine Capacity:6 Rounds
Price:Something over $1000

JohnBT
January 27, 2013, 06:03 PM
One reviewer got a barely functioning DB9. Stuff happens.

www.gunsamerica.com/blog/diamondback-firearms-db380-db9-range-report/

Wilbert
January 27, 2013, 08:32 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but I just have to know what 'Mitt Romney style' is

JohnBT
January 27, 2013, 09:41 PM
It could be a reference to...

Mitt Romney Style (Gangnam Style Parody) - YouTube

C0untZer0
January 27, 2013, 09:57 PM
I don't know by looking at a DB9 if it is equiped with the 3rd trigger pin or not, but adding a thrid has supposwdly increased reliability and durability for the DB9.

I took a digital caliper to my R9 and from the top of the slide to the bottom of the magazine well measured 3.69" (no magazine) with a magazine it is 3.80", but from the top of the rear sights to the bottom of the heel mag release measures exactly 4.00"

saturno_v
January 27, 2013, 10:35 PM
I recognize the fit and finish and ergonomy but it's damn too much coin for a pocket 9.

Nasty
January 28, 2013, 12:47 PM
Thank you Countzero...the third pic is clearly visible adjacent to the other two. The orange one above does *not* have it.

The new tally:

DB9

• Capacity:6 +1 9mm
• Weight: 11 Oz
• Length: 5.6"
• Barrel Length: 3"
• Height: 4"
• Width: .8"

• Price: Around $350


Rohrbaugh R9

• Capacity:6 +1 9mm
• Weight:13.5 Oz
• Length:5.2"
• Barrel:2.9"
• Height:4"
• Width: .9"

• Price:Something over $1000

For *my* price point, it's the DB9 for the win.

ps: FWIW, The grip spur and hollow arch of the DB9 could be worked down easily to match the overall length of the R9 yet retain the 1/10th inch barrel advantage.

saturno_v
January 28, 2013, 03:04 PM
The new tally:

DB9

• Capacity:6 +1 9mm
• Weight: 11 Oz
• Length: 5.6"
• Barrel Length: 3"
• Height: 4"
• Width: .8"

• Price: Around $350


Rohrbaugh R9

• Capacity:6 +1 9mm
• Weight:13.5 Oz
• Length:5.2"
• Barrel:2.9"
• Height:4"
• Width: .9"

• Price:Something over $1000

For *my* price point, it's the DB9 for the win.



For that matter the comparable Kel Tec PF-9 can be had for $260-280 "street price" if you do not mind the more utilitarian finishing.....still lifetime warranty.

groundhog34
January 30, 2013, 08:16 PM
I actually HAVE a Rohrbaugh R9 and have shot it quite a bit. It is without doubt extremely well made and reliable. Accuracy is acceptably for a tiny gun. It is NOT a range gun but designed to drop it in a pocket. It is not designed to shoot +P but with such a short barrel they would not be particularly faster than regular 9mm. The recoil springs need to be changed after 200 or 250 rounds. If you have one get an extra pin the cost is $5.00. Is it worth $1000.00, that depends on how many $1000.00 you have.

C0untZer0
March 15, 2013, 08:54 PM
I shot another 50 rounds. I fired a mix of Winchester 147gr PDX1, 147gr Ranger T - RA9T, 147gr Gold Dots, 124gr Blazzer Brass, 147gr Bonded Golden Sabre, and 124gr Lawman TMJ.

I had 2 failure to ignite out of 7 Golden Sabres. I noticed on the cases that did fire - I had very shallow indentations on the primers.

The top left two are Winchester Ranger T and Speer Gold Dot, the bottom left is a Golden Sabre that fired and you can see the primer is barely nicked, although I was watching a video on YouTube where an LC9 user had a similar problem with sabres and he thinks the primers are deforming after firing and the mark is not the firing pin indentation but from the breech.

The top right two are Remington Golden Sabres that failed to fire.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=181420&stc=1&d=1363391119


YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M0zb3YS0RAQ#t=0s


I found out on the Rohrbaugh Forum that other owners have trouble with light strikes on the Golden Sabres too... it doesn't matter to me because my round of choice is the Winchester 147gr Ranger "T" Series - RA9T, and the R9 has been flawless with those so far - actually it hasn't had any trouble at all besides the Remington Golden Sabres.

I shot better with the Winchester RA9Ts than I did previously. I did notice that my first shot is a bullseye and the rest of the shots are low, I'm not sure what's causing that. The next time I go to the range I am going to load and fire one round at a time to see what happens.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=181421&stc=1&d=1363391360

I bought a few boxes of 124gr Blazzer Brass for practice and learned that was a waste of money - at least for practicing with my R9. I fired 3 shots and stopped when I noticed the rip in the target, the shots were all over the place anyway... I'll save it for my other guns.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=181422&stc=1&d=1363391532

That's 200 rounds so it's time for a new spring, old spring on the left, new spring on the right:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=181423&stc=1&d=1363391622


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heeler
March 16, 2013, 01:30 AM
Why would the Blazer Brass be keyholing??
I have used it in my kahr 9mm and several 380's with great luck.
Strange too about the Golden Sabers.
Again all my pistols have shot it very well.
Lastly,have they changed the design of that recoil spring or has that thing actually been hammered down that much in 200 rounds???

C0untZer0
March 16, 2013, 10:09 AM
200 rounds of firing compressed that spring by 3/16" from what it was new.

I haven't tried the 124gr Blazzer Brass in my Glock yet. I'm pretty sure it won't key hole out of a 9" barrel but I guess I won't know until I try.

bikerbill
March 16, 2013, 02:48 PM
I looked at one when I was choosing a small gun for pocket carry, went with the Kahr PM9 because of the lower cost and have never been sorry ... the Kahr is very accurate, easy to shoot, has never failed to fire since new, is amazingly easy to take down and reassmble for cleaning and IMHO is the equal of your gun in any tactical situation ... as for the holster coming out, either kick it off the gun with your index finger -- it only takes the slightly touch to break the seal between the gun and holster as you draw -- or press the package either to the front or rear of the pocket, holding it inside as you draw ... I use the index finger kick for the four guns I currently have pocket holsters for, and once you train that way for a few days, you won't have any problems.

45crittergitter
April 1, 2013, 06:34 PM
Now get ready for all the haters to poo-poo your premium gun just because they'd rather spend their grand on cable TV or something.

Oh, and you're not s'posed to remove the grips....

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