Obama pledges "full weight" to AWB in 2013!


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joeschmoe
December 30, 2012, 02:02 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/274881-obama-hopes-to-enact-new-gun-control-measures-in-2013

President Obama on Sunday said he would make gun control a priority in his new term, pledging to put his “full weight” behind passing new restrictions on firearms in 2013.

“I'm going to be putting forward a package and I'm going to be putting my full weight behind it,” said Obama in an interview aired on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “I'm going to be making an argument to the American people about why this is important and why we have to do everything we can to make sure that something like what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary does not happen again.”

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elano
December 30, 2012, 02:03 PM
Ok how would this new ban have prevented sandy hook?

Steve_NEPhila
December 30, 2012, 02:08 PM
Headline: Lame Duck President Pledges His Entire Weight To Infringe Upon Your Rights.

Join NRA NOW, fight, fight, fight. I have joined/renewed my memberships for NRA, GOA and SAF this week. There are too many defeatist threads about what to do when a ban passes. DO NOT LET THE BAN PASS!

What you are seeing now is a leftist government centric ideology to take away your ability to resist. Gun control must be passed before big brother confiscates 401(k) and IRA retirement accounts to satisfy the need for money to feed the Government.

This is not about gun control, this is about Government Control. We citizens scare them and they want to "fix" that... make your stand now through the political channels or face worse in the future!!!

Steel Horse Rider
December 30, 2012, 02:18 PM
Luckily we know from the past that the President pledging his "full weight" to do something rarely goes beyond the statement. He will once again use his "leading from behind" strategy so that he will not be exposed to any criticism or held responsible when their chosen actions don't work and the unintended consequences (or in this guy's case intended) wreck the country.

One78Shovel
December 30, 2012, 02:19 PM
Headline: Lame Duck President Pledges His Entire Weight To Infringe Upon Your Rights.

Join NRA NOW, fight, fight, fight. I have joined/renewed my memberships for NRA, GOA and SAF this week. There are too many defeatist threads about what to do when a ban passes. DO NOT LET THE BAN PASS!

What you are seeing now is a leftist government centric ideology to take away your ability to resist. Gun control must be passed before big brother confiscates 401(k) and IRA retirement accounts to satisfy the need for money to feed the Government.

This is not about gun control, this is about Government Control. We citizens scare them and they want to "fix" that... make your stand now through the political channels or face worse in the future!!!
I just renewed my NRA membership to Life. I hope the NRA stops these clowns in their tracks.

-178S

wacki
December 30, 2012, 02:25 PM
WE ARE SO.#&@!...I recall posters not so in the recent past saying he would never do this. Won't ever happen.

I remember those posters too. Makes me so angry people that disconnected from reality can be members of this forum.

Cesiumsponge
December 30, 2012, 02:26 PM
Hope for the best but prepare for the worst. People are very good at convincing themselves that they don't need to do anything by finding bits of data that confirm their own bias. For the past few years, folks were complacent with the idea that a guy with a vocal track record of being anti-gun would never go after guns. ALL politicians wait for the right opportunity to spring these things into action. How do you think we passed the Patriot Act? People were sure Romney would win the election, by a landslide no less. People are absolutely sure of something until reality suggested otherwise and gave them a rude awakening.

The political landscape is always changing. It only took one key event to bring the gun issue back to the top. An impossibility can become an implausibility, and an implausibility can become a guarantee in a perfect storm. If there are any other mass shootings in the following months of a similar nature to CT (very young children, school, etc), then you can be sure that support for a new AWB would be even stronger.

Take the few minutes to call, write, or email your Senators and Reps. If they get enough volume, their staffers will inform them that their seat is in jeopardy if they jump on a gun ban.

Pilot
December 30, 2012, 02:53 PM
He's pandering to his political, far left base. It doesn't matter if nothing comes of it. If no legislation gets passed he can blame the Republicans, and his base will still love him for "trying". If another mass shooting happens, he can blame the Republicans, and pro-gun the lobby.

Meanwhile, in Democrat controlled cities with gun bans and restrictive gun laws thousands are murdered with handguns per year, many of "child" age, and Obama and his minions don't talk about it.

3twelves
December 30, 2012, 02:56 PM
Headline: Lame Duck President Pledges His Entire Weight To Infringe Upon Your Rights.

Join NRA NOW, fight, fight, fight. I have joined/renewed my memberships for NRA, GOA and SAF this week. There are too many defeatist threads about what to do when a ban passes. DO NOT LET THE BAN PASS!

What you are seeing now is a leftist government centric ideology to take away your ability to resist. Gun control must be passed before big brother confiscates 401(k) and IRA retirement accounts to satisfy the need for money to feed the Government.

This is not about gun control, this is about Government Control. We citizens scare them and they want to "fix" that... make your stand now through the political channels or face worse in the future!!!
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All day every day.

GlockNation
December 30, 2012, 02:58 PM
Yeah, but he is pretty skinny.

It's not going to get through the House.

mljdeckard
December 30, 2012, 03:02 PM
I agree with posts 4 and 9. I think he is really annoyed that he is now forced to confront this issue. He wanted to spend his political capital in other places. I think that putting Joe Biden in charge of the committee was done to kick the can down the road and ensure that he can stall the process until the fervor has died down, and then say; "Well I tried, but the republicans wouldn't let me."

He has always wanted to ban guns. If he wanted to make it a priority, he would have pushed a new AWB when he had control of both houses. Now that he doesn't, he has other battles to fight.

wacki
December 30, 2012, 03:02 PM
It's not going to get through the House.

If you don't think any gun laws will pass the house then you are a fool.

StrutStopper
December 30, 2012, 03:04 PM
The president eluded to additonal gun legislation during the presidential debates but wasn't going into any detail and wouldn't play it up because he knew it would cost him votes. Feinstein has been working her bill for over a year. Sad and sick as it sounds, an incident like the Sandy Hook shooting is what they were waiting for, just like surfers waiting for a wave. They plan to ride this wave of emotion until they have what they want or they wipe out. Lets hope they wipe out quickly.

AlexanderA
December 30, 2012, 03:05 PM
By the time they get around to releasing the details (probably in late January), the momentum will have passed. And anyway, the Obama/Biden "plan" will be just the opening gambit in negotiations that will probably go nowhere.

mljdeckard
December 30, 2012, 03:16 PM
wacki, upon what do you base that statement?

Storz
December 30, 2012, 03:17 PM
Join the NRA and email/call your representativeals!

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longbeard48
December 30, 2012, 03:21 PM
Write your Senators, write your Representatives! I spent about 30 minutes doing just that last night. Let me assure you, it is time well spent. Probably nothing else that you can do right now is more important. Encourage your family and your fellow gun owners to do the same.

leapfrog
December 30, 2012, 03:22 PM
what he will do is phony up more public support, what was it he said something like 54% of the people want gun control? knowing he only has his 47% he will give more food stamps, make it easier to get on SS disability, give more cell phones to get more sheep and the senate will think he has the public support. After all both houses are the biggest bunch of sheep in this country.
All the congress and senate will conspire with each other and see who wants to fall on the sword, if any one of them seems weak for re-election then he/she will sacrifice for the cause, there is no two party system, it is my turn your turn.

lobo9er
December 30, 2012, 03:23 PM
join GOA while your at it.

TennJed
December 30, 2012, 03:38 PM
WE ARE SO....I recall posters not so in the recent past saying he would never do this. Won't ever happen. i have done everything i can. Voted for Romney. Re-newed my NRA. Wrote my Reps.
The NRA said over and over again, "Obama is biding his time", and people scoffed and laughed, saying "He's a pro gun president, only signed pro gun laws, and even the Brady Bunch is mad at him!" It must be a bitter vindication to Mr LaPierre to be proven right in such a way.
I did not vote for Obama, but do you really think Romney would no support a AWB if he was president. His track record sure indicates he would. After the Sandy Hook shooting he would be pushing it just like BO

phil dirt
December 30, 2012, 03:45 PM
You are absolutely correct, Longbeard48. And, hopefully, some of you guys who are so adamantly opposed to supporting the NRA will start to get a clue and realize that the NRA is the only reason you can presently own guns. This move to ban semi- autos, which includes pistols, has less to do with public safety and a lot more to do with the goal of all tyrants. They know that in order to finally subjugate us and consolidate their socialist takeover of this country, they are going to have to disarm us first. We must not allow that to happen. Once we allow ourselves to be disarmed, this country as a freedom loving democracy will be lost forever!

I fear that after these gun grabbing tyrants get the semi-autos, some nutcase will shoot up a theater or a school. Then those who are trying to destroy our means of resisting this evil takeover will insist that we cough up all of the revolvers and bolt guns. Call and write your elected representatives. Politely let them know that you vote and will be watching them. If you don't belong to the NRA and/or Gun Owners of America, do it today. Send them money. It's going to take money to win this fight.

481
December 30, 2012, 03:54 PM
Ok how would this new ban have prevented sandy hook?

Never one to let facts cloud the issue, Obama seems to have conveniently forgotten (that's "PC" for "ignored" :evil: ) that there is currently a duplicate of the 1994 AWB (the reinstatement of which he is pushing) on the Connecticut law books and that it literally did nothing to stop the tragedy that befell those innocents that day. Self-deception seems to be his, and the Left's, "thing".

The AWB didn't work when it was a Federal statute, it'd didn't work in CT, and it dang sure ain't gonna work again.

mljdeckard
December 30, 2012, 03:55 PM
While it is an after the fact dead horse, I'll say it one more time anyway.

The difference between Romney and Obama is their base and the direction the pressure is being applied. Romney signed the ban in MA while trying to survive as a republican governor in a democrat state. Ever since then, Romney has been trying to convince a republican base that he is a conservative. Obama is the opposite. He has always been completely anti-gun. He has only pretended to be pro-gun when he has been forced to. He is feeling the heat from having ignored gun laws during the first term. Other members of his party, like Feinstein, are now taking the lead away from him and making him look bad. Romney would be staying in line with his party in saying that new gun laws won't change anything. Obama isn't.

The real damage between the two is the upcoming federal court picks. There were a lot of vacancies that Obama was stalling to fill until AFTER the election. These are the judges who will be deciding which cases the Supreme Court will hear. Are you glad NOW that it will be Obama filling those seats instead of Romney?

blarby
December 30, 2012, 03:59 PM
Just out of curiosity- What do you think Romney would have done, when presented with this same scenario ?

You think any president would choose to take this political bout on without extreme prodding from......... you guessed it........those folks waiting in the wings ?

We had two bad choices.

All I can say on that one, is that I picked neither :)

He's gonna burn so much policapital on this one, pretty much the rest of his agenda just ended up in the crapper.

And it might all be for naught.......we shall see. As its been said, he is a pretty skinny dude... and popular votes don't make laws.

mljdeckard
December 30, 2012, 04:03 PM
I think Romney would have repeated the "We already have enough gun laws" line, and continued budget negotiations. He wouldn't have put a VP with an anti-gun record in charge of a harumphing committee.

blarby
December 30, 2012, 04:06 PM
The same line he took in Mass. I see........

R.W.Dale
December 30, 2012, 04:08 PM
I think Romney would have repeated the "We already have enough gun laws" line, and continued budget negotiations. He wouldn't have put a VP with an anti-gun record in charge of a harumphing committee.

This the same Romney that openly stated that ar15's are just for hunting down and killing people?






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mljdeckard
December 30, 2012, 04:09 PM
I spelled out what I think in post #25. It was a dead horse then. It isn't more alive now.

rim
December 30, 2012, 04:13 PM
Bottom line, the SAF, JPFO and GOA are great orgs, but none have the overall clout that the NRA has, so join the NRA even if it's for a year or two...

R.W.Dale
December 30, 2012, 04:13 PM
I spelled out what I think in post #25. It was a dead horse then. It isn't more alive now.

And its a false pretense

Romney was for whatever will get him the most votes. If he'd won with Obama out of the way he'd trip over himself to pander to the same MAJORITY Obama is now.

Romney made a political career of not giving two ----- about the party line, it was always about where the most votes were with him.




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mljdeckard
December 30, 2012, 04:16 PM
How would pandering to Obama's base get him more votes? They never liked him and never will.

What exactly is a 'false pretense'?

blarby
December 30, 2012, 04:18 PM
And this is where the political divides the reality, I suppose- and what makes discussing these topics without politics ( as we're supposed to, here at least) extremely tricky.


I think the reality is more devious than Obama or Romney- We've had senators waiting in the wings for this opportunity for some time. They would not be ignored by either president, although I will agree that one emboldens them more than the other.

I think the strongest way out is to ask those senators " If you had the perfect solution cooking for over a year- why wait until now, until after a tragedy- why not push so hard on this to save lives, not avenge them ? " And make them spell it out time, and time, and time, and time again on national TV and in the press.

Making them point out that they needed and wanted lost lives ( to "save lives" ) as political capital to take away freedoms is the magic lozenge we needing floating around in everyones' throats as they're going hoarse debating this.

Letting the populace know that their leaders are willing to expend childrens' lives in order to fulfill their political agenda is the bad taste spin we most def. need. Ya, its spin- so what. They use it on us, I think its time they savor the flavor of that knife cutting both ways.

Expose the root, not just the leaves, and you'll remove the hanging tree- not just the convenient branches we keep hitting over and over again.

Queen_of_Thunder
December 30, 2012, 04:33 PM
Well unless the Republicans in the House cave nothing will happen. Of course if he does follow through then a Republican majority in the Senate is a very real possibility in the 2014 elections.

R.W.Dale
December 30, 2012, 04:34 PM
How would pandering to Obama's base get him more votes? They never liked him and never will.

What exactly is a 'false pretense'?

If he'd won it would be Romney's base not Obama's

And it wouldn't be made up of us as a majority. It would have been the same fence sitters and urban libs that are clamoring for gun control now.

You have to understand that WE are a minority now. As a "base" we aren't numerous enough to matter any more.




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nathan
December 30, 2012, 04:35 PM
NRA must have contingency plans in calling for nationwide protest rallies and a big march to the Lincoln Memorial . This is in case Obama , Feinstein and the rest of them calls for AWB and HIcap Ban.

No time to waste around . The 2A is under attack .

RedAlert
December 30, 2012, 04:35 PM
Once again this forum is filled with Political Party and Presidential Candidate bashing. Also it seems everyone is certain, that just joining the NRA is going to solve all our problems. Dream on!
The NRA does as much to incite or inflame all gun issues as does every tradgedy involving schools and guns.
In general we have a much more educated opinion on these subjects than mainstream media does. Send letters to the media to correct their misinformation.
Still it seems everyone is forgetting the 2nd Amendment cannot be changed by a president, a political party, nor any Group (NRA). It requires major majorities in 3/4ths of all the state legislatures! Any bill passed by congress will need to stand the test of a Supreme Court Battle. Please see the following for info on adding or repealing amendments to our constitution:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Five_of_the_United_States_Constitution

As I've mentioned on previous posts we need our members to write their political representatives, both in the Senate and House in both State and Federal bodies. Write clear, clean, sane and cogent letters. Invective gets directed to the round file. Once isn't enough, try to write two or three times a year. If possible make an appointment with your rep when he/she returns to your state to discuss the issue. If you visit Wash DC, make an appointment there.
If the RTKBA means something to you, take the time.

mljdeckard
December 30, 2012, 04:35 PM
The legislators who have been waiting have been there for a long time. Lautenberg, McCarthy, and Feinstein know that this is their last shot. That doesn't mean it's a GOOD shot. They are in the position where they have a lame-duck congress that would love to talk about ANYTHING but the budget, and a crisis which is slightly worse than previous crises. This is as close as they are going to get before they retire. They are too old to ride out the publicity cycle anymore. This is why Feinstein upped the ante and threw on a lot of stuff in addition to the bill which has already been ignored more than a dozen times. When they retire in the next election or two, who will be the senators and congresspeople who trot these bills out every session? They have been alone for a long time.

The ban passed in 1994 by two votes, with sneaky process, a sunset clause, and a democratic majority. Bill Clinton stated that it was the single-biggest factor that cost him both houses. When Obama took office in 2009, sixty some-odd DEMOCRAT congressmen, knowing full-well the intentions of Holder and Obama, sent them a letter telling them not to bother with any new gun laws, because they won't vote for them. Most of them are still in office. In 1994, we as a gun community were poorly organized and not media savvy at all. Very few people owned AR-pattern rifles, as compared to today. In the majority opinion for the Heller decision, it was stated that guns that are 'in common use' are protected. Any new ban would be working against that language. Stare Decisis directs that unless there is any new evidence, the existing ruling will stand. (However, this would be one of those times you would regret it if Obama had a chance to fill those court seats first.)

So if Feinstein gets (by my count) three lawmakers to flip, no, I'm not calling it a done deal. It is safe to flip when the law has a very small chance of making it to the floor at all. She's yelling louder, but it's the same thing she has been yelling for decades. The fervor was at its peak about a week ago. They will not get stronger. People will not get MORE intense about this.

SuperNaut
December 30, 2012, 04:39 PM
Once again this forum is filled with Political Party and Presidential Candidate bashing.
I agree, leave the partisanship at the door. There is only one issue at stake here, focus people, focus.

mljdeckard
December 30, 2012, 04:41 PM
No one is saying we should be complacent. But most of this fight is psychological. If they already have half the gun community convinced they have won, they have seized the momentum. DON'T PLAY THEIR GAME. This is not even CLOSE to being a done deal.

PAULREVERE
December 30, 2012, 05:02 PM
The Obamalama-Ding Dongs who voted for him, are having a heck of a time removing the taste of crow out of their mouths. No way would Romney have voted for an AWB, knowing full well that any future Repub would lose the 2A vote. Especially with a guy like Paul Ryan as VP, and a potential President one day. That argument makes no sense. We can fully thank the pro 2A/Kenyan voters for their head-in-rectum syndrome Nov 6th.

R.W.Dale
December 30, 2012, 05:17 PM
Are you guys insane? Or just that ill informed?

Romney had already SIGNED INTO LAW as governor an AWB that shares most of the key features of the new proposed AWB.

Ask MA residents how firm Romney was on 2a?

The threat of a spooky scary unavoidable base backlash didn't stop him then and wouldn't have stopped him now.

Us in "the base" by in large are cheap low self esteem whores for anyone with an R next to their name and now there's not enough of us to matter. Politicians know this and is why the past several Republican candidates have been left leaning feminine wash despensers. Again its NOT 1994 anymore they don't need us and even if they did where else are our votes going to go? To the Democrats?

Just for fun go look at an electoral map and a population density map at the same time. Then come back here and with a straight face tell us "the base" not being in line is the problem.



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Mousegun
December 30, 2012, 05:17 PM
I knew the "O" was going to do this when he got re-upped. I bought a second AR about 3 days after the election because I felt so strong about it.

He doesn't care about his cohorts in congress or the senate now that he is in the second go around and he will do as much as he can to get his name in the record books as often as he can.

To paraphrase Liam Neeson at the end of the movie, "The Grey". "I (in this case we) are in for the fight of our lives".

mljdeckard
December 30, 2012, 06:09 PM
The last thing I'm going to say is, Obama doesn't want to deal with this at all. I think it takes a high degree of imagination to say that Romney would.

PAULREVERE
December 30, 2012, 06:33 PM
You fail to understand politics. Do you think for one minute Romney would have any sort of Political career had he not pandered to the lib-***** in Mass? He publicly stated that he would not sign any new gun control laws if elected Pres. Obongo said nothing of the sort. Just like when people say "Well Gerorge W Bush was for the AWB and said he would sign it if it landed on his desk". Do you think for one minute that Bush didnt know that that bill would never make it to his desk with Tom Delay as Speaker of the House? Politics boys. Politics. Look at the left hand. Focus. Focus...

Jorg Nysgerrig
December 30, 2012, 06:35 PM
Enough politics.

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