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Impureclient
December 30, 2012, 10:43 PM
Anybody else get reminded of this with all the talking swirling around about stripping us of our RKBA?

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under
absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Those fellas back then really knew their business.

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OptimusPrime
December 31, 2012, 01:47 AM
Sorry, what? Whose quote is that? And what are they trying to say?

mnrivrat
December 31, 2012, 02:14 AM
The quote is from one of the founding fathers of this nation.

It pertains to the responsibility of future generations to keep government in check. And also gives reason for the revilution against British rule.

KYraj
December 31, 2012, 08:22 AM
It's a quote from the Declaration of Independence.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html


Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient

Trent
December 31, 2012, 11:30 AM
Keep the revolution talk to a minimum guys. We're not there yet.

(Besides, the way the Government is going broke, they'll do the dirty work for us.)

John828
December 31, 2012, 11:38 AM
Agreed with Trent. Do they even teach that anymore in junior high Civics or American History?

Trent
December 31, 2012, 11:44 AM
Agreed with Trent. Do they even teach that anymore in junior high Civics or American History?

You do NOT want to pick up a modern US History book, as taught in Jr. High.

You'll become very upset.

John828
December 31, 2012, 11:47 AM
It used to be something to be proud of, or at least that is the way I remember it being taught. Of course, we said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning back then too. I am not even that old either.

HOWARD J
December 31, 2012, 11:52 AM
Do not trust this government----they are the enemy

MachIVshooter
December 31, 2012, 11:58 AM
Keep the revolution talk to a minimum guys. We're not there yet.

No, we're not there yet. But it also doesn't hurt to remind them that there are millions of us who will not be disarmed under any pretense. As long as they still have a healthy, respectful fear of the constituency, the 2nd amendment is still working.

ATBackPackin
December 31, 2012, 11:58 AM
You do NOT want to pick up a modern US History book, as taught in Jr. High.

You'll become very upset.
Trent, I would put dollars to donuts that 98% of high schoolers today could not even quote one single line from the entire Constitution.

Trent
December 31, 2012, 12:18 PM
No, we're not there yet. But it also doesn't hurt to remind them that there are millions of us who will not be disarmed under any pretense. As long as they still have a healthy, respectful fear of the constituency, the 2nd amendment is still working.

You've read my tag line. I've also exposed myself as being involved with the militia movement back in the 90's in another thread on THR. This game is not new to me. You know where I stand on the issue.

This being said, I don't advocate violence as a means to an end, nor threat of violence as a deterrent. The leader of the militia I was involved with ended up doing prison time for threatening public officials and Intimidation of Law Enforcement; both chargeable as felonies in the State of Illinois. You need to recognize that there is a line, a very specific line, where rhetoric and freedom of speech are no longer valid.

There is no point in getting thrown in jail for expressing your views prior to the main event. Or in drawing attention to yourself to the point that you'll be "the top name on their list" when it starts.

This being said, with the world being an uncertain, unpredictable, and often violent place to reside in, it is entirely within the realm of possibility for a Call to Arms, should sufficient cause be established.

We have not yet reached this point. We cannot claim the moral high ground by starting a fight, or provoking the other side in to a fight.

I recently read a thread on another gun board where a moderator, an ex LEO of 20 years, said "if they come for me, bring lots of body bags; I have the same arms and the same or better training as they do." I read another post on that same board advocating violence, taking the offensive, hitting them before you are alone and surrounded.

Rhetoric such as this... has a very real possibility of causing the very thing none of us truly want. No one wants war. Or, if they do, their views would quickly change once it starts. Life would never be the same, regardless of the outcome. Were we to lose, future generations would never know what "freedom" truly means. Were we to win, we may very well get a force in power that does worse to us than we can envision.

Face it, do you REALLY want a radical force who just won by force of arms calling the shots? What if a force within the US military steps in and assumes power? What if we're so fractured and weakened a foreign power steps in to increase their resources and land?

No.. Best to leave Pandoras Box closed as long as possible.

SuperNaut
December 31, 2012, 02:19 PM
Also worth mentioning is that if many of the people advocating revolution were to actually roll off their couch and visit their legislators at their respective Capitols or start writing their Reps, then we would be in much better position.

Caliper_RWVA
December 31, 2012, 02:39 PM
Before you start implying that a revolution is needed, how many letters have you written? Our Forefathers had two choices: liberty or death. However, their greatest legacy was to give us a third choice. To be involved, write letters, call your legislators. Talk to your neighbors and encourage them to do the same. Talk to other guys at your gun shop and tell them to stop sitting on their couch, yelling at the tv and write letters! The only way this country works is if concerned people get involved and participate in a Government of the People, by the People and for the People. Some call this the "soft war" so, if you want to start a revolution, do it with a pen (or keyboard).

yokel
December 31, 2012, 02:49 PM
As our Founding Fathers understood so well, the primary threat to our liberty lies with our own government rather than al-Qaida or the Taliban.

That is why the people must defend their right to keep and bear arms at all costs, no matter what dangers or difficulties are involved.

BDrinkard
January 1, 2013, 12:59 PM
My 14 year old was only taught a very basic outline of the Constitution at school. the only amendments they discussed were the 1st and the 14th. The government is training the kids that guns are not a part of a peaceful society.

The 2nd Amendment is one of the clearest statements in the entire Constitution.

"A well regulated militia" means a skilled and practiced general population. Anyone who tells you "well regulated" means regulations are OK is either ignorant of 18th century language or they are lying. Anyone who tells you "militia" means the national guard is guilty of the same. the national guard didn't existing until around 100 years ago. Militia is every able bodied male with his personal arms. "Shall not be infringed" is pretty damn clear, huh? It's hard to read anything different into that part.

If they ban everyday firearms, the Constitution is dead. This isn't a crime issue or a hunting issue.

The right to bear arms means that if the government decides I am the wrong ethnic group and they send a truck down my street, telling everyone to get one suitcase and get on the truck, I can say no. Without my rifle, I can't. You think that kind of thing can't happen here? Germany was an real country, with culture and music and tradition. Look what happened when they disarmed their people (in the midst of a financial collapse, I might add). the reason it can't happen here, is that the truck would come under accurate rifle fire from half the houses on the block. That's why we need arms.

G.barnes
January 1, 2013, 01:18 PM
At the same time revolting can start with us forming together to protest their bans. The anti's rally together all the time. If every gun owner grabbed a sign and stood in groups picketing and protesting it might make them realize what kind of a fight they're in for and could help inform a lot of people who might not know any better. Getting these people out of power can be done without violence. They don't have a right to change the constitution and it is an impeachable offense.

OneWound
January 1, 2013, 01:27 PM
My 14 year old was only taught a very basic outline of the Constitution at school. the only amendments they discussed were the 1st and the 14th. The government is training the kids that guns are not a part of a peaceful society.

In our school, the Gov't book taught that the 2nd Amendment does not protect the citizens' right to own private firearms.

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