I can only guess, panic buyers who got ARs but cannot


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nathan
December 31, 2012, 01:08 AM
find 223 or 5.56 ammo to feed them. Many bought them bec of fears of future ban and having them as investments like we all do. The problem now is , ammo will be dry for a while until further notice.

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Capino
December 31, 2012, 11:11 AM
Two words...Fix Bayonets!

wojownik
December 31, 2012, 11:20 AM
Both spare magazines and ammo Are going to be the quandary for first time AR purchasers for the time being.

hso
December 31, 2012, 11:24 AM
Another good reason to have a .22lr upper.

12gaugeTim
December 31, 2012, 11:24 AM
I bought a stripped lower and two magazines. I don't get the people panic buying ammo. Ammo isn't the focus of the current gun control debate. It will go back down in prices; until then I'll just shoot surplus.

M2 Carbine
December 31, 2012, 11:24 AM
Then there's a lot of shooters that think stocking up means buying three boxes of .223 instead of two when heading for the range on Sunday.

I find it hard to feel sorry for most anyone that gets caught in the guns/ammo shortage. It's not like it didn't happen before and with what's in control of the federal government a blind man could see it coming again.

jim243
December 31, 2012, 11:45 AM
As the saying goes, "this too will pass (go away)". I was talking to my buddy I sold an AR to last year, and he wants to purchase 10 mags. My question is why, I gave him 3 mags with the rifle. First you can refill the mags when they run out, second 10 mags will not help you unless you are in a war zone and I would rather have more fingers on the triggers than try to do it all by myself.

Personally, I think this panic buying is silly just wait, there are millions of mags out there and even if there is a ban on new mags the pre-ban mags will hit the market sooner or later.

Just sit tight and don't shoot till you see the whites of their eyes.
Jim

nathan
December 31, 2012, 12:07 PM
The sad truth, many will be ripping off many who are willing to get ripped off.

ColtPythonElite
December 31, 2012, 12:25 PM
I get a laugh at the non that-enthusiast buyers that drop a grand on a rifle and splurge on two boxes of shells. Once those are shot and they realize how much it costs to shoot for fun the novelty wears off. They are usually the first to sell.

I have bought plenty of 100 round gun from guys saying they are too expensive to shoot.

wnycollector
December 31, 2012, 02:15 PM
Then there's a lot of shooters that think stocking up means buying three boxes of .223 instead of two when heading for the range on Sunday.

I find it hard to feel sorry for most anyone that gets caught in the guns/ammo shortage.

I have seen the Chinese ammo/firearms ban by George Bush the 1st, Clintons AWB, the 2008 Obama Panic and now this. The one thing I learned was to buy cheap and stack deep:) I'm still shooting $0.08/round romanian 8mm that I bought a decade ago. I just passed the 20K round mark on 5.45x39 that I have on hand, let alone the 5400 rounds I have on back order. When Widners was selling IMI M193 1200 round cases I was buying one every other month. Buying ammo is a habit that that some of the new AR/AK owners need to learn the hard way.

Cosmoline
December 31, 2012, 02:24 PM
I've only got about 300 rounds backstock but given the shortages it's unlikely we'll have fresh 5.56 until well into next summer. Which is why I have MOSINS and about 2,000 rounds of 54R. And there's still plenty of that in the stores.

ZeSpectre
December 31, 2012, 02:28 PM
I'm in the camp with M2 Carbine when he said this....

I find it hard to feel sorry for most anyone that gets caught in the guns/ammo shortage. It's not like it didn't happen before and with what's in control of the federal government a blind man could see it coming again.

I've already seen the term "hoarding" popping up when what they really mean is "I didn't prep when I was warned and now that it's too late I think the people who did plan ahead should compensate for my incompetence".

As a friend of mine said to some detractors at a party "tease me all you want, if the S**T hits the fan I KNOW which house you are going to come to and then I'm going to tell you to kiss my southern-end."

browneu
December 31, 2012, 02:44 PM
I have about two thousand rounds, which isn't much. I'd also assume first time buyers are unaware of how quickly you can burn up ammo when shooting.

I bought a smith 15-22 to shoot 22lr and save the big boy ammo until the shortage ends.

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nathan
December 31, 2012, 03:40 PM
It wont take long these new AR owners will know its tax time and time either to let go of guns you can't even find ammo to shoot, or have to deal with Mr IRS calling.

jmr40
December 31, 2012, 03:43 PM
Another good reason to have a .22lr upper.


Only if you had a stock of 22 ammo before. No Walmarts within a 50 mile radius have any. One small local gunshop owner sold out his entire 14,000 round stock of 22 LR ammo in 2 days a week ago. A 550 round box of Federal bulk ammo that normally sells for $18 recently sold on another gun forums classifieds for $100.

I'm certain this is just a temporary thing and I have plenty to last me until supplies get back to normal. But for guys who had little or no ammo put back there isn't much out there right now in either 22 LR or 223.

browneu
December 31, 2012, 04:24 PM
Great thing about 22 ammo is it doesn't take up much space. Its the only ammo I have in great amounts.

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USAF_Vet
December 31, 2012, 04:42 PM
Meh, I'll just pick up my spare ammo from all the dead lying in the streets when the SHTF.









kidding.

Seventhsword
December 31, 2012, 04:44 PM
I stocked up on 5.56, .308 and .45 after the last shortage. Have over 5,000 rds of each.

chris in va
December 31, 2012, 04:48 PM
There's always the third option...reload.

marksg
December 31, 2012, 04:50 PM
also another good reason to reload. I just got back from the LGS and they had plenty of powder and primers.

USAF_Vet
December 31, 2012, 04:52 PM
I think I know what I'm asking for on my birthday. A reloading set up.

marksg
December 31, 2012, 04:55 PM
USAF vet,This is an awesome site for reloading knowledge too. I've learned a lot here.

Slipknot_Slim
December 31, 2012, 05:18 PM
James Zimmerman of SelwayArmory.com, a website that sells guns, ammunition and knives, says sales took off Dec. 19 after President Obama held a White House press conference announcing that Vice President Joe Biden would lead a team tasked with coming up with "concrete proposals" to curb gun violence.

That day, one customer ordered 32,000 rounds of ammunition from SelwayArmory.com, worth close to $18,000. The order had to be shipped from the company's Lolo, Mont., office to Kentucky on a truck.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2012/12/29/gun-sales-spike/1797815/

M2 Carbine
December 31, 2012, 05:50 PM
There's always the third option...reload.

But you also have to plan ahead and stock up on components.
Like loaded ammo, components increase greatly in price and dry up quickly.

browneu
December 31, 2012, 06:25 PM
Now that's some ammo. Natchez used to have 55 gallon drums of 556 for sale. I was going to buy one until I realized I'd never be able to carry it to my basement.

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tomrkba
December 31, 2012, 06:44 PM
All I'm going to say is that paying $1,600 or more for an $800 AR-15 is silly and is a result of poor planning. People should have prepared a year ago. Did they not realize how difficult it is to beat a sitting President? It's not like Zero's stance on firearms was unknown.

whichfinger
December 31, 2012, 06:50 PM
You guys who are talking "pre-ban" vs "post-ban" might be dreaming. Feinstein has already said her bill will not grandfather anything. And Joe and his "team" are all on Feinstein's side. Unless the Republicans in the House can side track it, any mag with a capacity over ten rounds will be banned, regardless of when you bought it.

skeptical_in_Ohio
December 31, 2012, 06:52 PM
Another good reason to have a .22lr upper.

Actually around here, 22LR is becoming extremely rare. Locally, Gander Mountain, Dunham's, Bass Pro, Dick's, and Wal-Mart are out of all 22LR in bulk, and a lot of these have only a very little bit of 50 or 100 round boxes. More than one of the online sellers are out or very low on 22LR bricks (500 round), and at least one has only the expensive match stuff in volume. It may be that I just don't know where the good places are to look, though.

Later add suggests it is a shortage...

Lucky Gunner says they have no 22LR.

Cheaper than Dirt looks to be out of anything in bigger than 100 rounds.

Midway seems to only have bulk in the expensive stuff, or the CCI quiet stuff that won't cycle semis.

dsm
December 31, 2012, 06:55 PM
Look on the bright side...with all these new AR owners looking to hit the range trying to figure out how to load and operate their new weapon, they will be trashing their brass like water! So visit your range frequently and collect!

nathan
December 31, 2012, 06:58 PM
I have plenty of 8 mm mauser surplus , that be my range blaster for now. Even .22 LRs are hard to get so things are never gonna be normal for a good while .
Im glad the AR craze didnt catch on me or else i d be looking on a nice expensive gun but no ammo to boot. Worse, they are expensive as ever can be. Only the dealers are reaping the bounty of these craziness.

Isaac-1
December 31, 2012, 07:15 PM
I somewhat feel their pain, I bought my first AR 3 or 4 days into the craze (at pre-craze pricing), then picked up a case of 5.56 surplus ammo at an only slightly marked up price, so now I only have about a thousand rounds of 5.56 to feed the AR :( On the positive side I suspect I am in a better position than most of the frenzied buyers, as I suspect if it came down to it I could always find someone willing to trade cases of 5.56 for cases of 7.62x39 (maybe not an even trade, but in the ballpark)

hawmanai
December 31, 2012, 07:28 PM
Still think the AR is a $500 gun being modular and the number of manufacturers there are.

A Fool and his money are soon parted.

MachIVshooter
December 31, 2012, 11:45 PM
That day, one customer ordered 32,000 rounds of ammunition from SelwayArmory.com, worth close to $18,000. The order had to be shipped from the company's Lolo, Mont., office to Kentucky on a truck.

As though that's some insanely large amount. Silly reporters :rolleyes:

I know guys who exhibit at machine gun shoots who order twice that quantity monthly. 32k rounds is about a half day supply for those who rent a dozen different MGs at a public shoot. One of these fellows had an entire bay of his garage filled with 7.62 and 5.56 NATO, said that was most of his summer supply. Probably over a million rounds.

wally
January 1, 2013, 12:01 AM
Another good reason to have a .22lr upper.

Who's got .22LR ammo in stock?

I lucked out a couple of months before the panic, Weider's had a sale, someone posted a link here for GI surplus, and SPG had a sale so I had 15,000 rounds delivered just before the panic set in :(

My wife and I go through 2-3000 rounds of 22LR a month depending on the weather and how often she comes along. Hopefully things will have settled down by time we need more.

Ms_Dragon
January 1, 2013, 12:05 AM
To be honest I'm kinda grateful there's an ammo shortage.

All over the net I'm seeing pictures of <--self edited---> posing next to the Christmas tree with their brand spanking new AR with their finger on the trigger pulling "Rambo" poses.
I don't know about y'all but I find that as alarming as hell!

No safety training as evidenced in their total lack of trigger discipline.

I hope they manage to get to a range to do a safety course or have access to someone who can teach them to have a bit more respect for their new weapon.

MachIVshooter
January 1, 2013, 12:56 AM
I hope they manage to get to a range to do a safety course or have access to someone who can teach them to have a bit more respect for their new weapon.

They'll get schooled by range officers and other veteran shooters who observe such behavior.

Despite the huge number of guns and equally large number of inexperienced owners in this nation, the number of accidents is still pretty low, and most of those do not occur at a range.

The rates for all unintentional gunshot injuries are:

Fatal: 0.2 per 100,000

Nonfatal: 4.71 per 100,000

The majority of these injuries are white males between 15-50, though the rate is higher among minorites in all age groups. The highest rates are in the 20-29 age groups for all races and sexes.

Source: CDC 2011 Fatal and Nonfatal injury statistics.

Just glancing over the data, without really plugging in numbers, it appears that males are about 8 times more likely to suffer a firearm injury than females, which probably correlates directly to other statistics on ownership and handling frequency, though it could be due in part to women (in my observations) being generally less intuitive and more innately cautious with machines. They certainly take instruction better than men! I'll take female shooting students over males every day and twice on Sunday!

Isaac-1
January 1, 2013, 01:02 AM
I have to wonder if that includes hunting accidents, around here it is a reasonably common cause of death, I have lost multiple relatives to it myself, although I must admit that those were mostly before the time of blaze orange, and manditory hunter safety education.

Cranky CJ
January 1, 2013, 02:38 AM
the question I've had is; how much reloading supplies is enough? primers? Lbs of powder? bullets?

Yeah, it has to do with how much you shoot, but are primers, bullets and powder going to be available say 1 or 2 years from now.

I have a good 2-3 yr stock of reloading supplies, but will there be a supply chain in the future??????

B!ngo
January 1, 2013, 02:55 AM
I suspect never really planned to shoot them...
V

TyGuy
January 1, 2013, 03:03 AM
The more on our side the merrier.

B!ngo
January 1, 2013, 03:06 AM
But it's inevitable that if these rookies happen to find some ammunition, many more accidents are likely. And who knows how many of them are not the balanced type. We know that they're not good with money.
More bad news from AR ownership will only fan the flames in D.C.
V

They'll get schooled by range officers and other veteran shooters who observe such behavior.

Despite the huge number of guns and equally large number of inexperienced owners in this nation, the number of accidents is still pretty low, and most of those do not occur at a range.

The rates for all unintentional gunshot injuries are:

Fatal: 0.2 per 100,000

Nonfatal: 4.71 per 100,000

The majority of these injuries are white males between 15-50, though the rate is higher among minorites in all age groups. The highest rates are in the 20-29 age groups for all races and sexes.

Source: CDC 2011 Fatal and Nonfatal injury statistics.

Just glancing over the data, without really plugging in numbers, it appears that males are about 8 times more likely to suffer a firearm injury than females, which probably correlates directly to other statistics on ownership and handling frequency, though it could be due in part to women (in my observations) being generally less intuitive and more innately cautious with machines. They certainly take instruction better than men! I'll take female shooting students over males every day and twice on Sunday!

blarby
January 1, 2013, 03:08 AM
Quote:
There's always the third option...reload.
But you also have to plan ahead and stock up on components.
Like loaded ammo, components increase greatly in price and dry up quickly.

*looks around*

Nope, still plenty :)

Still plenty of .223/5.56 here too, although at inflated prices.

Slipknot_Slim
January 1, 2013, 03:09 AM
As though that's some insanely large amount. Silly reporters :rolleyes:

I know guys who exhibit at machine gun shoots who order twice that quantity monthly. 32k rounds is about a half day supply for those who rent a dozen different MGs at a public shoot. One of these fellows had an entire bay of his garage filled with 7.62 and 5.56 NATO, said that was most of his summer supply. Probably over a million rounds.
In that context, it doesn't seem that large an amount. I got the impression that since the owner of Selway Armory.com (who you would think would be a 2-A supporter) relayed the details of the purchase to a reporter, that he considered it out of the ordinary and an example of panic buying.

JohnBiltz
January 1, 2013, 04:56 AM
During the last shortage I never actually ran out of ammo. I had to be a lot more proactive about it though. Walmart kept getting ammo in and it kept going out but if you talked to the guy behind the counter he would tell you when they were getting the next shipment in and I started ordering online.

x_wrench
January 1, 2013, 09:52 AM
I for one will not worry about it. between my current stock and my ability and enjoying [I]reloading[I], :evil: i am all set for some time to come. besides, even IF a weapons ban passes, it will not take effect instantly. but i do have to thank the anti's of the country. their group is providing the U.S.A. with the best equipped, best stockpiled munitions of any army in the world! keep up the good work anti gunners!:evil::fire::what: the only down side to this is it can be tough at times to get things. i sure wish i had bought stock in firearms manufacturers when obama got elected.

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