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XD 45acp
December 31, 2012, 03:09 PM
I found this on another website. Wonderful reading for those who want to ban guns as they may learn something. If this somehow is a duplicate post, I humbly apologize...

http://www.seraphicpress.com/jew-without-a-gun/

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Valor35
December 31, 2012, 03:32 PM
Excellent read -- I lived in LA during that time and still remember how it felt . . .

A.Fischer
December 31, 2012, 03:52 PM
Powerful reminder of why we can't let up our fight. Also a perfect example of why it's my right to own an AR-15 or other such rifle.

Rembrandt
December 31, 2012, 04:02 PM
Excellent read.....should be part of the Congressional record. Reminds me of the fear the WWII residents of the Warsaw Gettos must have gone through.

guyfromohio
December 31, 2012, 04:17 PM
Zombies, solar flares, viruses, government crackdown..... That story illustrates the realistic threat.... At least to this urban dweller.

Onward Allusion
December 31, 2012, 04:37 PM
Very good write-up. Large cities are death traps in times of crisis; be it civil unrest, massive strikes, or outbreak. The suburbs are a little better but not by much.

Here's to a Safe & Happy New Year.

19-3Ben
December 31, 2012, 04:48 PM
Wow. great post. Thank you for linking to this. I'm going to send this man's blog posting to all of my family.

Here's to a Safe & Happy New Year.

And here is to all of us continuing to ensure that safety for ourselves!!

scaatylobo
December 31, 2012, 05:16 PM
I was taken to the movie Mien Kampf by my parents when I was about 11 years old.

I never EVER forgot those images.

It was a turning point as it made me ask THE question,why did the Jews not fight back against such horrible crimes.

My answer was to see that generations of allowing 'progroms' allowed the average Jewish family to stay their hand and be abused.

This Jew learned to fight back at a very young age and it has proven to me that you get hurt a good deal less is you attack before your beaten.

As to having a gun,I still discuss the matter with non Jews often,they cannot understand why all Jews do not own an arsenal.

The expression "NEVER AGAIN" was supposed to be the calling card of the new generation of Jew after all 6 MILLION were killed in the camps.

This Jew gets it = NEVER AGAIN.

guyfromohio
December 31, 2012, 06:18 PM
As does this one

Zoogster
December 31, 2012, 06:44 PM
It was a turning point as it made me ask THE question,why did the Jews not fight back against such horrible crimes.

My answer was to see that generations of allowing 'progroms' allowed the average Jewish family to stay their hand and be abused.


The reason is they were optimistic that it could be resolved. First that they were just going to ghettos temporarily. Then that they were just going to labor camps and it was temporary. That if they went with the program they wouldn't be killed.
It is similar to the crime victim that thinks if they just cooperate they will be okay. Typically that is correct, until it isn't. When it isn't that cooperation that allowed the predator to get into a position of even more advantage means fighting back is even less likely to be successful.
You saw that in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. Fighting back by that time was a lot less successful than if those rounding people up had been fought initially, and those behind the roundups had been counter attacked.



Pogroms also don't get proper historical context in modern times with our PC society.
The reason for many pogroms dating back centuries had to do with Jews being in control of a lot of banking dating back to the middle ages in Europe.
The reason for this was that it was a crime in many places for christians to loan money for interest. Merely loaning money for interest was considered the sin of usery (today it is a more defined legal term for excessive interest). At a time when the christian church had both its own courts, and a lot of influence in law.
A christian loaning money for interest could be tried and convicted of a crime.
Jews however were often not held to those standards, winning the freedom to operate outside of the christian courts or being given various exemptions.
This allowed Jews to give loans that the Christian majority legally often couldn't, or in other places where not outright outlawed would be considered a sinner.

This meant Jews got an early start in banking before the merchant class became dominant and consumerism widespread. So they were the dominant force many places even afterwards.
This had many obvious benefits.
However it also had a very big downside.
That downside is when economies got tough, and people had a lot of debt. Those the population was in debt to for amounts they didn't want to or could not pay back become hated and despised. The fact that they are a different culture and religion with different customs and values just allows that to get even stronger as it became clear people were in debt primarily to jews.
This would result in most of the various pogroms at times, as the christian majority would lash out at the jewish minority.
So it was not merely a racial thing, but often a financial thing that could be expressed through racism.




As for Jews and guns. I am glad to see more embracing firearms. Many of the biggest antis in power in our country are jews, so it is certainly good to see strong pro-gun jews as well.
We have some great strong Jewish supporters of our rights.
With a history of trouble with various populations I would think Jews would be one of the segments of the population most desiring to be armed.

19-3Ben
December 31, 2012, 06:47 PM
Zoogster thank you replying exactly what I was thinking.

This Jew gets it = NEVER AGAIN

And I'll give that a 'ditto' as well.

GEM
December 31, 2012, 07:10 PM
At the NTI one year, there were four Jews in that small group, IIRC.

However, we all had PhDs. How about that? :D I discuss the issue in one of my sig links.

bikerdoc
December 31, 2012, 07:20 PM
Scatylobo, said,

This Jew gets it = NEVER AGAIN.

And this gentile has your 6.

Wishoot
December 31, 2012, 07:23 PM
Excellent reading. I wish some of my Jewish family would take this to heart. Unfortunately, they're out there supporting anti 2A lawmakers.

wrs840
December 31, 2012, 07:39 PM
Outstanding read. Thanks for posting it.

I've watched my Jewish sister-in-law go from hard left to fairly hard-right in the course of 30 years.

Most of her Polish immigrant Detroit family thinks she's gone off the deep end.

Oh well. At least she's showing progress.

Plan2Live
January 1, 2013, 09:58 AM
I thought it was a great first person description of the terrible events that occured at that moment in history. It provoked exactly the thoughts inside me that it was intended to provoke and my first reaction was to copy the link and forward it to all my friends and family members, many of whom aren't really keen on gun ownership.

But as I replayed the story over and over in my head and thought it through I began to wonder if using this as my "Poster Story" for gun rights is really a good idea. After all, the author was able to use resources other than a gun to extract himself and his family from danger and keep them safe. Further, the story highlights the fact that Law Enforcement, who you would assume would be heavily armed and well trained, pulled back because the situation was too dangerous. This just seems to support the antis' position that more guns aren't the answer. Granted, the part about the Koreans using superior firepower is a compelling argument but that almost seems to be a side note to the main story.

Am I alone in this interpretation?

scaatylobo
January 1, 2013, 10:55 AM
I have seen the laws that state,after a Federal lawsuit the police are NOT held responsible for the safety of the people.

This is easy to find and it is a VERY sore spot that is TOTALLY ignored by all anti-gun polls and the groups that support that as a means to stop crime etc.

I was an LEO for 26 years and often heard "a Jew thats a cop" ,said in amazement.

As a shooter and retired LEO,I get many calls from those still on the job as to information and leads on how,who,what,where,and why of guns and gun 'control'

I am asked for arguments and for support due to the beliefs by SO many that guns are easy to buy with NO paperwork,this from OFFICERS too.

Ignorance is amazing high when it comes to hoplophobia [fear of guns ] yes the disease has a name [ hope I spelled it correctly ].

Sad that its true,but as LaPierre said = the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun IS A GOOD GUY WITH ONE.

And of course the training to use it.

I would LOVE to see ,force on force traing available to all who wish to get it.

In their own communitys and easily accessed.

19-3Ben
January 1, 2013, 11:00 AM
I thought it was a great first person description of the terrible events that occured at that moment in history. It provoked exactly the thoughts inside me that it was intended to provoke and my first reaction was to copy the link and forward it to all my friends and family members, many of whom aren't really keen on gun ownership.

But as I replayed the story over and over in my head and thought it through I began to wonder if using this as my "Poster Story" for gun rights is really a good idea. After all, the author was able to use resources other than a gun to extract himself and his family from danger and keep them safe. Further, the story highlights the fact that Law Enforcement, who you would assume would be heavily armed and well trained, pulled back because the situation was too dangerous. This just seems to support the antis' position that more guns aren't the answer. Granted, the part about the Koreans using superior firepower is a compelling argument but that almost seems to be a side note to the main story.

Am I alone in this interpretation?
Quite right, however, keep in mind that he's simply relating the story as it actually happened to him.
I'm sure at the time he wasn't tailoring his actions so that they'd make a great 'pro-gun' article in the future. He was doing whatever he needed to in order to survive.
If anything it goes to show that the weapon is your brain. A gun is just a tool. In his case, he managed to survive without one, but his life and his family would have had a bit more security if he had the proper tools at his disposal.

Cmiller21b
January 1, 2013, 11:46 AM
What I've wondered for years is why the leading antis are Jews? I'm not against Jews by any means so don't take this as so, but Bloomberg, Shumer, Fienstien...? I would think that most Jews would be 100% in favor of 2nd amendment rights after losing almost 6 million in WW II. Why the burning desire to rid the free world of guns?

ezkl2230
January 1, 2013, 11:49 AM
The Second Amendment = Never Again. For ANY of us.

JVaughn
January 1, 2013, 12:05 PM
Fantastic retelling of what must have been a horriffic night. This is why I carry a rifle in my truck and a handgun on my side - because you never know where and when something may happen that changes your life forever, or threatens to end it.

Well written and very true. I hope he buys a rifle soon, the 1911 may not be enough.

guyfromohio
January 1, 2013, 12:20 PM
I refer to the Glock in my trunk as my Reginald Denny Gun. My living body will not be pulled from a vehicle.

Texan Scott
January 1, 2013, 12:27 PM
Awesome, powerful story... should be required reading for congresscritters. Also reminds me how much I dislike cities.

nickn10
January 1, 2013, 12:32 PM
A graphic example of many reasons to keep your guns regardless of the governments attempts to take them away.

Ryanxia
January 1, 2013, 12:52 PM
The author dressed up the article a bit too much but a great reminder on why we "need" AR-15's, standard capacity magazines, etc.

I like the part:
"It's the Bill of Rights not the Bill of needs".

unlimited4x4
January 1, 2013, 01:15 PM
It was a very good re-telling of a type of civil disorder we all could find ourselves in. It highlights my own personal concern because of where I currently live. I live next to Sanford, Fl where the Zimmerman shooting incident took place that has yet to be resolved. The same fire stokers that were present at the Rodney King incidents have tied themselves to this incident. The general feeling around here is that when a decision is made, anything less than a guilty verdict will most likely result in some type of civil unrest. I for one am glad I have the right and ability to own the "tools" needed to get my family to safety if need be. I have already written my representatives and hope you all have too.

Lateck
January 1, 2013, 02:29 PM
XD 45;
Thanks for the link and post.
A very good read. We all should take it to heart!

Need to get this information out to other non gun sites.
They are the sheep......

Lateck,

Mosbyranger
January 1, 2013, 02:56 PM
Excellent read. Thanks for the link.
MR

552BDL
January 1, 2013, 03:03 PM
I guess it's drama created, is lost on me.

Comparing an inner-city riot, that was sparked by Police brutality, to WWII and war scenarios fought by Israelis? I understand the need to create drama in order to create a mental picture, but how about those images having linear relevancy?

Onward Allusion
January 1, 2013, 03:17 PM
^^^
Heh, I guess it is lost on you. :rolleyes:

The moral of the story is that one can't count on the police or authorities to save your butt. Also, sometimes it is the authorities that you need saving from; as it has been proven time and time again throughout history.

riceboy72
January 1, 2013, 03:57 PM
I enjoyed this read and it, yet again, renewed my steadfast convicitions on responsible ownership of guns in our country. Thanks for sharing it. I'm going to pass it along, too.

B!ngo
January 1, 2013, 04:11 PM
Another, 'Never again'.
V

friscolatchi
January 1, 2013, 05:57 PM
I read it aloud to my wife and son. They were spellbound. I was almost in tears. Truth is a powerful tool.

Grassman
January 1, 2013, 06:13 PM
Can we forward this to Dianne Feinstein?

KC&97TA
January 1, 2013, 06:22 PM
I read it, it's going around FaceBook. Being Irish I think I'm just genetically prepositioned to not trust the powers that be... article applies to anyone and everyone.

OptimusPrime
January 2, 2013, 01:55 AM
How can one city (Washington) have both the Holocaust Museum and also those politicians intent on repealing our rights? Do they not see the negligence/irony/sadness?

GEM
January 2, 2013, 12:40 PM
The argument is that the Holocaust was a result of European pathology and wouldn't happen here. Thus, the RKBA is not needed for minority protection.

Interestingly, gun laws were written here in part because Blacks wanted to protect themselves from racist government policie and the civilians who acted undercover for those governmental forces.

scaatylobo
January 2, 2013, 12:50 PM
Your quoted below and I take deep resentment at your comment as to "police brutality" being the cause of those riots.
I was LEO during those times and I recall seing the WHOLE video and as force on force instructor it was plain to me that they did the correct thing.
BUT the press and the 'minority' loudmouths had to have a pound of flesh.
So rodney king got FOUR MILLION for a broken ankle [ yea that was the extent of his boo boo's ].
Please choose you words and intent a bit more carefully,thank you


"I guess it's drama created, is lost on me.

Comparing an inner-city riot, that was sparked by Police brutality, to WWII and war scenarios fought by Israelis? I understand the need to create drama in order to create a mental picture, but how about those images having linear relevancy?"

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