S&W model 19


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LUCKYDAWG13
January 1, 2013, 12:55 AM
what can you tell me about the model 19 with a 3" barrel
would this make a good ccw revolver im looking at a blued used one
or would a Ruger GP100 be a better gun
thanks

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Iggy
January 1, 2013, 01:04 AM
Are you sure of the barrel length? It should be measured from the face of the cylinder to the muzzle.

A 3" model 19 would be an uncommon specimen and a fine fine carry gun.

LUCKYDAWG13
January 1, 2013, 01:07 AM
yep has a 3" barrel

Iggy
January 1, 2013, 01:09 AM
Those are pretty uncommon. Most went to a special order for the Peruvian State Police or something.

A few overruns escaped into the states. Do some research and consider grabbing it.

There are lots of Gp100s but there ain't many 3 " 19s.

Depending on price and condition, you might wind up with some bodacious trading material, not to mention a fine carrying gun.

ArchAngelCD
January 1, 2013, 02:36 AM
IMO A short barrel M19 would be heads above the GP100 as a CC revolver. It's lighter and more narrow so it will conceal better. If the price is right jump on it!

Radagast
January 1, 2013, 07:51 AM
The three inch ejector rod should cleanly remove all empties, the 2.5 inch not so much, being a little shorter.
I'd buy a three inch just to have trade fodder - some collector will want it.

ironhead7544
January 1, 2013, 08:18 AM
Best choice for a 357 Magnum revolver for CCW. There are a few 3 inchers out there but they are kind of rare. At one time the issue firearm for the FBI was a 3 inch M65.

MrBorland
January 1, 2013, 09:03 AM
:eek: 3" models 65 & 13 are uncommon, while 3" models 66s are rare, and 3" model 19s are very rare. CCW aside, then, if it's a genuine 3" 19, and you can get it for anything under $1k, by God, grab it.

Sport45
January 1, 2013, 09:23 AM
Unless, of course, it became a 3" by someone taking a hacksaw to one with a longer barrel...

That's why MrBorland said, "genuine" in the post above.

MrBorland
January 1, 2013, 09:47 AM
That's why MrBorland said, "genuine" in the post above.

Correct - I intentionally included the term "genuine" in the event it's being sold (and priced) as a 3" M19.

First, make sure you're really looking at a 3" barrel, not 2 1/2" or 3 1/4". If so, make sure the barrel's not been cut to that length and it has the correct front sight. A little research will go a long way here.

'Course, even a standard M19 cut to 3" would make a fine carry piece, IMO, but it ought to be priced accordingly.

LUCKYDAWG13
January 1, 2013, 10:06 AM
thank you all

vito
January 1, 2013, 06:25 PM
I have a 4-inch Model 19-5 that I bought about 25 years ago. Its still my "go to" home defense gun. The only thing I have done to it is replace the beautiful wood grips with Crimson Trace laser grips. But I think it is far too big for concealed carry. I don't get to carry often since I live in IL and only carry when out of state, but when I do its either a S&W640 (concealed hammer, 2 inch barrel, DAO) or my little Ruger LCP. The 640 has only 5 rounds but I have 100% confidence it will go bang when I pull that long trigger pull. I have a N2 Tactical IWB holster that is comfortable and holds the gun well.

LUCKYDAWG13
January 1, 2013, 06:58 PM
thanks all what would a good price be on this Revolver

rswartsell
January 1, 2013, 08:19 PM
Depends a lot on condition and also to a certain extent on your local market. I think 400.00ish either way depending on condition is what I see.

P.S. My take on the choice is GP100 for 125 gr fire breathers and hands down the 19 for mostly .38 spl and occasional 158 gr "standard" magnums. I think you would find a consensus for that opinion.

oldbear
January 1, 2013, 09:12 PM
LUCKYDAWG13, IF the M-19 you are looking at is really a factory 3" version it's worth semi-big bucks. There were fewer 3" M-19's produced than registered magnums. One respected old time S&W collector bid on one several years ago and his,personal, high bid of $2,500.00 was not enough to win the auction.

I'm attaching a photo of a 3" M-19, compare it to the one you are looking at. If you have locate a 3" M-19 buy the thing.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=176991&d=1357089136

rswartsell
January 1, 2013, 09:30 PM
Thanks for the correction oldbear, for FACTORY 3" he has a valid point that I missed.

LUCKYDAWG13
January 1, 2013, 09:40 PM
thank you oldbear that looks like the same one will let you know how things work out and thank yoiu

dfunde01
January 1, 2013, 10:43 PM
Held this one in my very own hands last week, but bought a M19 2.5" blue instead.

http://www.topgunsatlanta.com/productDetails.aspx?id=481

Sport45
January 1, 2013, 11:43 PM
^ The barrel on the revolver in the above link looks longer than three inches to me. Look how much barrel extends beyond the ejector shroud. Compare it to the picture oldbear posted above.

Iggy
January 2, 2013, 12:10 AM
Yup, that sure looks like a 4" to me and it priced higher than a cat's back for a gun in that condition.

mnrivrat
January 2, 2013, 12:15 AM
Held this one in my very own hands last week, but bought a M19 2.5" blue instead.

There is a big difference between a model 19-3 , and a model 19 with a 3 inch barrel. The picture is of a 4 inch barrel gun .

BigJimP
January 2, 2013, 06:21 PM
Yes, the model 19's or 66's in 4" are all good carry guns....

177043

I have a couple of 2 1/2" guns in both the model 19's and 66's as well....but in the photo above....guns at right are a pair of model 19's in Nickel ( both 4") ..and then a pair of model 66's in stainless - both 4" as well. / guns on the left are N and L frame ( model 27 blued / and a model 686 stainless both 6" guns )....I like .357 mag S&W revolvers...

From time to time...I will carry one of the 4" ( all .357 mag's ) in an IWB Kramer horsehide holster with a forward FBI tilt...

LUCKYDAWG13
January 2, 2013, 07:24 PM
well guys that 3" model 19 turned out to be a 2 1/2" barrel
model 19 still a nice revolver but i passed price was is $499
think im just try and find a 3" sp101 thank you all for the schooling
on the model 19

vito
January 2, 2013, 07:35 PM
What would the value be on a good condition 19-5, 4 inch, nickel?

Checkman
January 2, 2013, 07:46 PM
That's too bad. I have a 2002 issue of Guns magazine with an article by Sheriff Jim Wilson. He writes about some of his favorite personal revolvers. One of those revolvers is (possibly was all these years later) a 3" Model 66. Very nice and made me want one. But after a couple years I came to realize that the 3" models were out of my price range. Waaayyyy out of my price range. Oh well.

BigJimP
January 2, 2013, 09:05 PM
19-5 4" Nickel ( good condition ) ....isn't a very nice gun ... $ 450 maybe...

a 19-5 Nickel 4" ...in excellent condition...is about a $ 700 gun these days.

Photos would really help !

DM~
January 2, 2013, 10:14 PM
M-19's are one of my all time fav handguns, i have a few and they are my carry gun.

DM

Sport45
January 3, 2013, 01:39 AM
Take a close look at the forcing cone of any Model 19 you consider buying. If the gun was abused or just used a lot there may be a crack where the clearance cut was made on the bottom.

Snake Plisskin
January 6, 2013, 11:56 AM
I just picked up this beauty a sweet 19-3 4" yesterday, IMO the best SW revolver every made !!

pendennis
January 7, 2013, 01:19 PM
Although they're newer, the Model 65's with 3" barrels, are just about perfect. I own a Model 19-4 and a Model 66-1 with 2.5" barrels, the Model 65, 3" balances better.

Like an idiot, I let a Model 13, 3" get away a couple of years ago. Won't let that happen again.

vito
January 8, 2013, 07:57 AM
Just curious: what the differences between the various models 19, i.e., the 19-1 to the 19-5 (or is there a 19-6)?

mes228
January 8, 2013, 09:20 AM
I am a sucker for Model 19's and believe they are the finest revolver ever made. I have owned several but due to the "trading sickness" have none now. I think more research went into producing the Model 19 than any other combat revolver ever produced. At any rate all I've owned were flawless in build, finish and very accurate. Also I've not seen any that were "shot loose" - I believe that was almost an old wives tale. It would take far more rounds, and heavier loads, than 99% of regular people would ever shoot. I'm always looking for a good clean one to buy at Gun Shows.

vito
January 8, 2013, 08:09 PM
I do remember many years ago reading that one of the more popular gun mags had stated that the S&W Model 19 was the perfect combat handgun. I'm glad I have mine. After over 25 years it is still my go to home defense handgun. The only thing I have done to it is switch out the grips for Crimson Trace laser grips.

Snake Plisskin
January 8, 2013, 09:49 PM
Vito , here is the info you asked about, and what they mean

19 (1957): Stamping of model number.
19-1 (1959): Change extractor rod, right to left-hand thread.
19-2 (1961): Cylinder stop changed, delete trigger guard screw.
(1963): Introduce 6" barrel.
(1963): 50 manufactured with 2.5" barrel, serial range K544672–K544721.
(1966): Introduce 2.5" barrel as standard.
19-3 (1967): Relocation of rear sight leaf screw.
(1968): Delete diamond-insert grip.
19-4 (1977): Change gas ring from yoke to cylinder. (Not really an "improvement". It did make it slightly easier to clean if there was heavy leading, but basically was a cost-cutting measure.)
19-5 (1982): Eliminate cylinder counter bore.
19-6 (????): ??

1986 S&W model 66-2 6" Barrel

66 (1970): Stamping of each model.
66-1 (1977): Changed the gas ring from the yoke to the cylinder.
66-2 (1982): Eliminated pinned and recessed, slightly lengthened cylinder.
66-3 (1986): New yoke retention system/radius stud package/hammer nose bushing/floating hand.
66-4 (1994): Change rear sight leaf, drill and tap frame, introduce Hogue grips, change extractor.
66-5 (1998): Change in frame design: eliminate cylinder stop stud/eliminate serrated tangs/change to MIM hammer with floating firing pin/change internal lockwork.
66-6 (2002): Introduced internal lock.
66-7 (?): Two piece barrel and internal lock,

vito
January 8, 2013, 09:53 PM
Thanks much. Very informative.

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