CZ 75 C modifications/improvements?


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NewGuy1911
January 1, 2013, 12:53 PM
Have read the CZ 75 Compact could use a few improvements to the sights and trigger. Uses; whatever fun shooting sports, back country hiking (Will Not Be shooting at Bears!!!). No plans for competing in IDPA. Should take a couple to defensive pistol training classes though.

Thanks

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Jaymo
January 1, 2013, 02:04 PM
Send it to me. That'll improve my lack of having one. :D

Walt Sherrill
January 1, 2013, 03:55 PM
I'd recommend joining the CZ Forum (the original one, co-sponsored by CZ-USA.) Here's a link: http://www.czfirearms.us/

You might be happy with your CZ as is. The triggers will probably be grungy to start with, but will break in with a few hundred rounds (or a lot of dry firing.)

I speed things up by having a gunsmith tune the trigger. (You can also buy one already gunsmithed from the CZ Custom Shop -- money well spent.) They do good work and have many options and accessory parts that enhance the guns.

Taking a class offered by someone who teaches basic handgun and combat/defensive shooting would be a good thing -- and you can probably get a good bit of personal instruction for a reasonable fee. (Personal training can be VERY effective, since the instructor working with 1-3 students can really focus on strengths and weaknesses. You wouldn't believe how much you can learn in 1 or 2 half-day sessions.

Don't worry about much else except a holster and maybe grips until you've shot a while. Spend your money on ammo and range time. (The factory soft-rubber grips are very nice.)

NewGuy1911
January 1, 2013, 05:26 PM
Thanks Walter

viking499
January 1, 2013, 06:59 PM
Walt gives good advice.

sinbad339
January 1, 2013, 09:48 PM
For my 75 Compact, I installed the MEPROLIGHT Tritium sights; a big improvement.

http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/sights/sight-sets/cz-tru-dot-reg-night-sight-set-75-85-tritium-cz-sight-set-75-85-sku387-000-057-40137-76081.aspx


You have to drill the replacement front sight after it is in the dovetail for the pin, but I was able to do it with a hand drill.

I also purchased and installed the Cajun Gun Works Hammer Kit 1. I'm not sure if that's still offered. It did help with the creep, but the trigger is no where near as good as either of my two 1911s. I also feel the gun has a long reset thatcan only be helped by removing the firing pin block; something I'm not willing to do on a carry weapon. Having said all that, I still shoot my 75 Compact very well, and I do carry it in my rotation.

viking499
January 2, 2013, 12:56 AM
http://cajungunworks.com/

NewGuy1911
January 2, 2013, 12:21 PM
Hi Sinbad,

"I also purchased and installed the Cajun Gun Works Hammer Kit 1. I'm not sure if that's still offered. It did help with the creep, but the trigger is no where near as good as either of my two 1911s. I also feel the gun has a long reset that can only be helped by removing the firing pin block; something I'm not willing to do on a carry weapon. Having said all that, I still shoot my 75 Compact very well, and I do carry it in my rotation."

Sinbad, you may be able to shed some light on my questions;

I have two Kimber 1911's in 45 acp., a Pro Carry SS and a Super Match. A knowledgeable guy at the Gun Shop said the Pro Carry had the best trigger between the two!

The CZ 75 Compact was/is intended to be a utilitarian/somewhat rough blaster that I can take hiking in the back country, or anywhere I might feel very unsafe.

Having never handled the CZ 75 Compact; I'm comparing it to the above two 1911's. A very nice single-action is very important to me. Years ago I would always shoot a revolver single-action. Would be difficult for me to learn shooting double-action.

Also, I was thinking CZ-Custom and/or Cajun Gun Works, for little investment, turn the Compact into a fairly nice/fun blaster.

Another problem is, my +XL paws! Does this mean a three finger grip!

Been thinking of a somewhat smaller (than the Comander) lighter pistol with more rounds (now a 7-8 rds), cheaper ammo, that I can shoot very quickly.

Thanks everyone for you help!

Walt Sherrill
January 2, 2013, 01:17 PM
NOTE: re CZ SA triggers...

CZs that aren't decocker models (and the Compact is one of them) can be converted to SAO, and you can use the great CZ two-way adjustable trigger (for takeup and over-travel) in guns converted to SAO mode.

The trigger, when tuning is done, won't be quite as nice as the best 1911 triggers, but it can be a very good SA trigger. You CAN get a very good SA trigger in a DA/SA gun, but you can't do much with the lengthy takeup. When taking either route (SAO, or DA/SA) you should consider the custom shop's special hammer.

It would be best to have the CZ Custom Shop or Cajun Gun Works do the conversion/upgrades. You should talk to the 'smith about whether it's worth while to remove the firing pin block. (The purists advocate this, but I had a 75BSA with the block still in place, and it was quite nice. Maybe for pure competition gun, but keeping it in place for a carry gun makes sense.)

Ky Larry
January 2, 2013, 01:31 PM
The only thing I have done to my CZs is replace the recoil, ejector, and mag springs with Wolf springs. I'm sure the trigger upgrades are well worth the money but I don't shoot well enough to justify the cost. If I want to drive tacks I shoot my Python or my Kimber Custom Defender II. My 9mm and .40 CZs are more accurate than my ablity to shoot them.

NewGuy1911
January 2, 2013, 01:58 PM
Hi Ky,

I also have a Colt Python; many years ago I liked to shoot targets at 100 yards with it. Now its' 25 yards max for the 1911 45 acp and I spend most of my range time at 15 yards, with both the 45 acp and 22 lr conversion. I am very humbled by my shooting ability!!!

The shooting sports, IDPA-type/bowling pin/action-type, just seem like they would be major fun. A sport I would enjoy, get me out of the house, meet like-minded people, intrigue my mind,...

Ky Larry
January 2, 2013, 02:05 PM
NewGuy, I know what you mean. 20 years ago I could hang with most rifle shooters at 100 yrds with my T/C Contender, 14" barrel,2-7 scope in .223. Now I can't see the fine crosshair on my scope.Age and diabetes are doing a number on my eyesight.

Recon Ron
January 2, 2013, 02:18 PM
Honestly I just switched out recoil and main springs and after a couple hundred rounds my CZ shoots great.

sinbad339
January 2, 2013, 08:06 PM
The CZ 75 Compact was/is intended to be a utilitarian/somewhat rough blaster that I can take hiking in the back country, or anywhere I might feel very unsafe.

Having never handled the CZ 75 Compact; I'm comparing it to the above two 1911's. A very nice single-action is very important to me. Years ago I would always shoot a revolver single-action. Would be difficult for me to learn shooting double-action.

Also, I was thinking CZ-Custom and/or Cajun Gun Works, for little investment, turn the Compact into a fairly nice/fun blaster.

Like I said, the SA trigger isn't nearly as nice as my Sig Fastback carry nor even my PT1911. I do notice it if I transition between pistols at the range, or if I'm thinking about it. But I also am able to shoot the gun very accurately, at 15 yards, and even at 25 when I really concentrate. The reset limits what I can do for "controlled pairs" and such, but again, its not terrible, just not perfect. If I had it to do over again, I'd probably go with CZ-Custom.

Another problem is, my +XL paws! Does this mean a three finger grip!

My hands are just slightly larger than average. With the supplied CZ mags and their flush base, my hand really fills the grip. But, the CZ 16-round mags can be used as is, or a different base pad fitted to fill the space between the end of the grip and the end of the mag. I'm OK with the flush-mount mags, especially for carry.

viking499
January 2, 2013, 10:33 PM
I just installed a CGW Race Hammer on my CZ SA and it make my SA trigger just a hair shy as good as my 1911. I also have a few of the CGW kit's, and the Race Hammer is, to me, far above and beyond any of the kit's.

Jaymo
January 3, 2013, 12:52 AM
All bad advice.JK You NEED to send it to me, for free of course. :)

Walt Sherrill
January 3, 2013, 09:38 AM
Like I said, the SA trigger isn't nearly as nice as my Sig Fastback carry nor even my PT1911. I do notice it if I transition between pistols at the range, or if I'm thinking about it. But I also am able to shoot the gun very accurately, at 15 yards, and even at 25 when I really concentrate. The reset limits what I can do for "controlled pairs" and such, but again, its not terrible, just not perfect. If I had it to do over again, I'd probably go with CZ-Custom.

If you convert it to SAO, the optional 2-way adjustable trigger lets you get rid of all the take up. That, along with the competition hammer, and over-travel adjustment, should give you an "almost-1911" trigger, if everything else is done properly. You just lose the DA function.

I've had both SA and DA/SA models. I like the much larger factory SA safety levers, but they can't be retrofitted to a DA/SA gun that doesn't have ambi-safeties.

NewGuy1911
January 3, 2013, 12:04 PM
Thanks Guys,

I'm paying attention and learning!

Sometimes I need a few days and nights to think on things!

Walt, this is probably very good advice; "Taking a class offered by someone who teaches basic handgun and combat/defensive shooting would be a good thing -- and you can probably get a good bit of personal instruction for a reasonable fee. (Personal training can be VERY effective, since the instructor working with 1-3 students can really focus on strengths and weaknesses. You wouldn't believe how much you can learn in 1 or 2 half-day sessions."

As for the way the pistol functions; reduced double action reach (I only have 1911's) just so I have that option. Not sure why I feel that since I will use it like a 1911.

Going to the range and action-type meets is very good advice. Being able to talk with like-minded people, watch and learn, make new friends! Better than having expensive add-on to a firearm that sits unused.

Texmex247
January 3, 2013, 01:48 PM
I agree with most other posts here. The CZ 75 is solid right out of the box. True, the factory night sights are dim, but the grips feel great and there's no replacement for good old fashioned trigger time ! I have worked my sear down to a crisp sub 5lb pull in SA mode and I love it. Definitely not a smart move for someone who has not done much gunsmithing so if you are inclined to improve the trigger, I would send it to CZ. Otherwise, it has been one of the most accurate nines I have ever owned out of over 8 different makes and models.

chris in va
January 3, 2013, 10:50 PM
I've had five different CZ pistols.

IMO the biggest improvements came from a 15# hammer spring and fiber optic front sight. After that, MecGar mags and a trigger job help.

BTW re-think your IDPA stance. You'll find your humble CZ compact is more than up to the challenge.

JDGray
January 4, 2013, 05:28 AM
A set of VZ grips, and rubber mag bases off of a P01, you will be happy, happy, happy!

You can also roll the front edge on the steel bases for more pinky room.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b278/JDG357/CZCompact005.jpg

Pilot
January 4, 2013, 08:33 AM
^^^^^

Did you drill out the frame to enable that FLGR? Is that an all steel Compact model?

NewGuy1911
January 4, 2013, 11:53 AM
And the trigger is back, I like that!

Walt Sherrill
January 4, 2013, 03:22 PM
Did you drill out the frame to enable that FLGR? Is that an all steel Compact model?

All of the compact models have full-length guide rods.

Note: CZ warns against using steel guide rods (replacements from after-market sources) on the alloy-framed gun, because of observed wear on the receiver stop [the place where the base of the guide rods rests against the frame.] It's not a problem with the "Compact" model, which has a steel frame.

(My assumption: the steel guide rods are just a bit harder than the alloy of the frame... I've only heard of one or two guns having problems with this alloy/steel matchup.)

NewGuy1911
January 4, 2013, 08:37 PM
Hi chris in va,

"BTW re-think your IDPA stance. You'll find your humble CZ compact is more than up to the challenge. "

I like to tell everyone I meet that I'm 39!!! I did not know about IDPA-type events or bowling pin meets. These type shooting sports I would have love to compete in.

JDGray
January 4, 2013, 10:33 PM
Pilot, all steel, all factory compact. The recoil spring was upgraded to a 20#, and the VZ grips are all thats been changed.

Pilot
January 5, 2013, 08:42 AM
Walt wrote:

All of the compact models have full-length guide rods

You know I forgot that. My 75D PCR being a compact is like that as well. Should have known.

JDGray wrote:

Pilot, all steel, all factory compact. The recoil spring was upgraded to a 20#, and the VZ grips are all thats been changed.

Thanks for the info. I thought so, but as Walt pointed out I forgot the Compacts have the FLGR stock. I like those grips. In my experience the Compact models seem to shoot just as accurately as the full size CZ's.

Walt Sherrill
January 5, 2013, 11:28 AM
Pilot, all steel, all factory compact. The recoil spring was upgraded to a 20#, and the VZ grips are all thats been changed.

The 20lb. spring isn't that much of an increase, but you might find that your gun functions just as well with the 16lb. or 17 lb. springs, too.

Increasing the recoil spring weight doesn't really do much, except to (slightly) increase the likelihood of a slide stop breakage. It doesn't protect the gun from hotter loads.

As the slide goes back, its movement is also retarded by the hammer spring, as the slide cocks the hammer. As the extra stored force stored in the heavier spring is returned as the slide returns to battery, the only thing stopping the slide is the slide stop. The force stored in the hammer spring isn't involved -- as it's later used to driving the firing pin forward. Heavier recoil springs do NOT protect the frame.

1911Tuner, a regular here on THR, has demonstrated a number of times that most Browning locked-breech design guns can be fired with recoil springs missing without damaging the frame. That's because thee main function of the recoil spring is NOT to reduce recoil or protect the frame/shooter, but to cause the slide to return to battery, thereby loading the next round.

If you reload, and find your spent cases going too far to be retrieved, then DO use a heavier spring, but otherwise, give it a second thought -- as you may be taking a "protective" step that really doesn't protect anything, but may put the slide stop a bit more at risk.

(Interestingly, years ago, when I talked with CZ head gunsmith about how to protect the slide stop, he recommended a heavier recoil spring. After observing, trying different combinations, and talking with knowledgeable gunsmiths and experts, I understand this to be a "common sense" solution advocated by many folks, but one that doesn't really address the problem.)

A heavier hammer spring would be a better solution, if protecting the gun is your intent -- for while it won't protect the gun's frame a bit better than a heavier recoil spring, it is gentler on the slide stop!

JDGray
January 5, 2013, 07:24 PM
If you reload, and find your spent cases going too far to be retrieved, then DO use a heavier spring, but otherwise, give it a second thought
This is why I did it, that and the original braided spring wouldn't return it to battery any longer;)

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