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edistoriverrat
January 1, 2013, 09:17 PM
Is there something I am missing with the RCBS Pro 2000, I see all kinds of Hornady AP, the Dillon 550/650, and only a handfull of the Pro 2000. Not hardley any information and very few videos.
I Think the Pro looks like it would be an excellent piece of equipment. I see that most everybody is Dillon fans, so don't put the RCBS down to bad, but can you give me some insight as to why the big difference is.
Before I go spend my $$$.
Thanks all in advance.

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edfardos
January 1, 2013, 10:36 PM
pro2000 has a case activated powder dump, it's overbuilt/heavy, and last and most importantly it uses aps primer strips rather than tubes. The dump must be recalibrated for every caliber change too, whereas dillon has you buy multiple dumps.

nobody makes a bad progressive press imho, and you can't beat any of the warranties.

edfardos

GT1
January 2, 2013, 01:35 AM
There is a pretty good reason you don't see many. It cost every bit as much as a Dillon 650 and isn't near the press.

It is solidly built, RCBS has a great warranty. It has a couple flaws, though. It does not lend itself to a casefeeder, and RCBS doesn't offer one. The reason is because they made a serious error in the design, everything(case feed, primer feed, case eject) all happen in the front left quadrant of the press. There is no room.
APS priming is clean and supposedly safer. It is slow, however.

That is probably the main thing holding the press back, it isn't fast.

There is not a lot of pluses to warrant the premium price. Unless one must have a green progressive.

jediagh
January 2, 2013, 07:13 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=625661
and
http://www.handloads.com/articles/default.asp?id=26

Also GW Star a member here who does have an RCBS Pro can chime in and give you a better idea.
All progressive presses are good, else they would not be in the market.
Depends on your wants and needs that some are better for say speed, rifle, precision, fast caliber change out, etc.

jediagh
January 2, 2013, 07:23 AM
here is another good comparission article.
http://www.comrace.ca/cmfiles/dillonLeeHornadyComparison.pdf

Also google ultimate reloader and go to his website. He has videos showing how each press works and the neat features of each press.

GW Staar
January 2, 2013, 08:18 PM
Understand one thing, there is NO SUCH THING as a perfect progressive press. Dillon's 1050 has the largest price tag, is the most sophisticated, has the most stations & features, but it isn't perfect either. It is however the only cast iron progressive .... except for the RCBS Pro 2000 that is.

The important thing isn't which press you buy, its whether you've done a good job matching your reloading style to the press you buy.

If you shoot IPSC or IDPA a Dillon 650 may be the press you need to churn out a 1000 rounds a week to keep you competitive. A case feeder and the press set up for one caliber is its forte.

If you want to load 7 calibers like I do of rifle and pistol, sometimes 3 calibers per night, there's nothing easier (or faster) to accomplish that, than a Pro 2000. Price? Initial price is more than the Hornady and Dillon 550, and similar to the Dillon 650..........set up for one caliber that is. Add 3 or 4 more caliber kits and The Dillons are more pricey.

But all of this is moot. The three 5 station presses we're talking about here are just different....and that's a good thing. If price is the big thing, buy a Lee.

So where does the Pro 2000 fit in?

The manual version is like a Dillon 550 press with 5 stations instead of four, with built-in upgradeability, that for $100 and small change you can upgrade to a Dillon 650 class press for $100. (Try upgrading a 550.) IMO, worth the price.

The auto-advance version of the Pro 2000 is a Dillon 650 class press, but with a much quicker caliber change, a faster and safer APS primer system, and simpler operation with fewer moving parts. What is moving stays synced by itself once set up the first time. An IPSC shooter isn't going to care about caliber change speed, but I do. If I had a 650 I wouldn't be interested in loading 300 rounds of .45, 300 rounds of .40, 100 rounds of .308, and 200 rounds of .223.....in one evening. Fact of the matter is, I tried out a friends 650 for a week's worth of evenings before I went looking for something simpler and faster. Faster is relative to what you need to be fast at.

As for APS, every Pro 2000 user I know loves it. Every Dillon user in every gun forum hates it.....sounds a Ford Chevy thing.:rolleyes: This I know: No Pro 2000 user has ever blown up a tube of primers or blown a hole in the ceiling. That's because it ain't possible. And no Dillon owner can buy tubes of a thousand primers ready load and safe to store.

BTW, the simplicity of the press made it easy to modify it to use a case feeder......Dillon's collator will work just fine with it if you want to buy one.
Click the Picture to see the video.
VIDEOhttp://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/RCBS%20Pro%202000%20Case%20Feeder/th_MVI_1261.jpg (http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/gstrad/RCBS%20Pro%202000%20Case%20Feeder/MVI_1261.mp4)VIDEO

Why'd I make my own case feeder? Not to make it faster.....I set it up both with a bullet feeder and a case feeder to simplify operation. Less to do means less to screw up.....that makes it safer for people like me.:) BTW, the How To on the Case Feeder is on this forum. What did it cost?.....really expensive.;) (If I remember right, I think the parts cost me $35 or so.)

morrow
January 2, 2013, 10:44 PM
Steer clear of the RCBS Pro 2000. It's expensive and not nearly as good as the Hornady LNL AP or the Dillon xl650 no matter how you cut the pie.

Also doesn't have a case feeder option.

Why invest in a progressive and not get a top of the line one? You will spend a LOT of money feeding the progressive, so cutting corners on the initial purchase is a total waste. Get a LNL AP or an xl650, you won't regret it.

cfullgraf
January 3, 2013, 12:28 AM
Also doesn't have a case feeder option.



Not everyone wants or needs a case feeder. It is just another source of jams and they make too much noise.

edistoriverrat
January 3, 2013, 07:06 AM
Thanks, and double Thanks for the info. Very usuable indeed. I have only been reloading about less than a year, and I now have just the Lee single stage, and love it. But my hands keep wanting to run away with "ARTHUR". I have always wanted to go to a progressive, and it now seems that I will get too. I neither am looking to save money, cause I surely won't load that much, nor am I trying to look for the speed, I have slowed down a whole lot here lately. I have back problems and shoulder problems, same as probably some of you. Anyway nuff of that.
I just found out, Hey I love to sit here, stare at my reload bench and take my time and reload. Its fun, so I started looking at the presses to see which would be probably the easier to operate and change over. My choice was the Pro 2000, but like I said there was not enough info about it. You all, have further made up my mind for the Pro 2000, even the negative thoughts about this press has helped, and I thank you, very good info, most of which I had not seen or found.
Love this fourm,
Love this hobby,

hentown
January 3, 2013, 09:52 AM
I tried a friend's Pro 2000 several years ago and just didn't like it. I HATE the APS priming system; much prefer tubes. I think the shell plate turns counter-clockwise, too, but I might not be recalling that correctly. One station is wasted on an expander die.

Walkalong
January 3, 2013, 11:16 AM
Not everyone wants or needs a case feeder. I know I don't. Matter of fact, I cut the part off (http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=102060&d=1248397611) that it would bolt to I am that sure. If I was loaded 500 or 1K per week, I would have a machine setup for just that caliber with a case feeder and bullet feeder, but I don't have need for that kind of a speed.

I also hand prime, so press priming is a non issue with me.

I like the ergonomics of the LNL. The powder drop and bullet seating are right there in front where I can look into each case at the powder charge as I seat a bullet by hand. I have a tray for brass and a tray for bullets (http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=107180&stc=1&d=1255490691) beside the press. My right hand stays on the pull handle while my left puts cases in the shell plate and seats bullets. I can still load a round every few seconds this way. 400 plus an hour is easy enough when loading previously sized and primed brass.

I did automate my powder drops. Gotta have that.

All the presses are good products. I chose the Hornady Projector years ago, and now the LNL because of ergonomics.

edpm3
January 3, 2013, 11:41 AM
If you've decided on the Pro2000 auto index, the best price I found was earlier this year. $495 plus $32 shipping from www.bigsupplyshop.com. I'm very happy with it, but I have never used a Hornady or Dillon, so take that for what it's worth.

codefour
January 3, 2013, 10:09 PM
I learned to load on a friends Dillon 550B and XL650. Of the two, I preferred the 550B. I never used a LNL AP though. I researched and researched all the info on progressives I could find.

I purchased an auto-index Pro 2000 from Buffalo Arms. I like it better then the Dillon design.

I like the APS strips. I buy them preloaded so no tube pecking. They are actually easier to use than tubes once you learn them.

The Dillon requires costly caliber conversions. Now, not counting dies, The Dillon 650 will run you $200 plus. The Pro 2000 is a little over $50 per caliber. And you do not need to buy a seperate powder measure for each caliber conversion. Mike Dillon was a finacial genius creating the dedicated powder measure. And the locator buttons are a pain in the butt. They will get lost.

The Uniflow is much more consistent than the slde bar. All you do is dial in the pre-recorded number on the micrometer seating stem and your set.

The RCBS is made of steel and has a very solid feel. I do not know why Hornady and Dillon went aluminum. I do not think you can cam over (rifle sizing) on Dillon either. I know you can on the Pro 2000. RCBS told me they designed it that way. I have seen the arm linkages break on Dillon.

I did not like that Dillon had all these wierd connector rods that activated rolling slide bars etc. THe bushings on the Dillon wear out and then you have to buy a replacement parts kit. All those rods kind of reminded me of the Mouse Trap game I played as a kid.

I have not added a bullet feeder and I do not know if I will. I do not know how fast I would go with a bullet feeder. The bullet feeders are expensive. I would rather buy a new gun than a bullet feeder. I usually load 300-400 ronds an hour. That is plenty. Reloading is a relaxing hobby and not a race for me.

edfardos
January 3, 2013, 10:16 PM
+1. For codefour's response. Maybe it's be cause we're both from the north half of the people's republic of Kcalifornia where RCBS is based (city of Oroville).

edfardos

Hondo 60
January 4, 2013, 01:29 PM
RCBS, Hornady & Dillon progressives are all great presses.

(I've tried Lee's Pro1000 & found it not to my liking)

I, too, love this forum.
Lotsa very helpful folks here.

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