That The Journal News journalist who published all concealed license holders.


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Grassman
January 1, 2013, 10:37 PM
Well, they feel the need to hire armed guards now.......Hypocrites....

Guns are good for the goose but NOT for the gander.

A Clarkstown police report issued on December 28, 2012, confirmed that The Journal News has hired armed security guards from New City-based RGA Investigations and that they are manning the newspaper’s Rockland County headquarters at 1 Crosfield Ave., West Nyack, through at least tomorrow, Wednesday, January 2, 2013.

According to police reports on public record, Journal News Rockland Editor Caryn A. McBride was alarmed by the volume of “negative correspondence,” namely an avalanche of phone calls and emails to the Journal News office, following the newspaper’s publishing of a map of all pistol permit holders in Rockland and Westchester.

Due to apparent safety concerns, the newspaper then decided to hire RGA Investigations to provide armed personnel to man the location.

Private investigator Richard Ayoob is the administrator of RGA. He told the Clarkstown Police on Friday, December 28 that there had been no problems on site at the Journal News headquarters despite the massive influx of phone calls and emails.

McBride had filed at least two reports with the Clarkstown Police Department due to perceived threats. However, the police did not find the communications in question actually threatening. Incident-Report 2012-00033099 describes McBride telling police she was worried because an email writer wondered “what McBride would get in her mail now.”

Police said the email “did not constitute an offense” and did not contain an actual threat.

The Journal News caused an international stir when they released an interactive map of pistol permit holders names and addresses in Rockland and Westchester counties last Sunday, December 23. The editors have said they believe knowing where guns are is in the public’s interest. The newspaper has also taken a strident editorial position in favor of strict gun control.

Rather than take the map down following the public uproar, the executive board at the Journal News has decided to “stick to their guns” and double-down on their original decision, as they have said a map listing all pistol permit holders in Putnam County will soon to be posted.

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SharpsDressedMan
January 1, 2013, 10:40 PM
Wouldn't the addresses of the armed security guards be in the list that was posted?

Trent
January 1, 2013, 11:03 PM
Heh.. this is such beautiful irony.

lonniemike
January 2, 2013, 12:13 AM
This makes me think of the joke of why Santa is always smilling and jolly(Because he knows where all the naughty girls live). Now all the anti s should be worried that bad guys know where not to go and the bad guys have a better idea of where they should go looking. Look out anti s here they come. Wishing the best for the New Year.

JohnnyK
January 2, 2013, 01:52 AM
karma... i heard someone posted all this guy's info online as well...

PavePusher
January 2, 2013, 07:43 AM
http://www.rocklandtimes.com/2013/01/01/the-journal-news-is-armed-and-dangerous/

Guns are good for the goose but NOT for the gander.

A Clarkstown police report issued on December 28, 2012, confirmed that The Journal News has hired armed security guards from New City-based RGA Investigations and that they are manning the newspaper’s Rockland County headquarters at 1 Crosfield Ave., West Nyack, through at least tomorrow, Wednesday, January 2, 2013.

According to police reports on public record, Journal News Rockland Editor Caryn A. McBride was alarmed by the volume of “negative correspondence,” namely an avalanche of phone calls and emails to the Journal News office, following the newspaper’s publishing of a map of all pistol permit holders in Rockland and Westchester.

Due to apparent safety concerns, the newspaper then decided to hire RGA Investigations to provide armed personnel to man the location.

Private investigator Richard Ayoob is the administrator of RGA. He told the Clarkstown Police on Friday, December 28 that there had been no problems on site at the Journal News headquarters despite the massive influx of phone calls and emails.

More at link.

:rolleyes:

P.S. "Richard Ayoob"? Any relation to the famous Massad?

Ragnar Danneskjold
January 2, 2013, 07:48 AM
Because hiring a few fat police academy rejects with Hi-Points and Sigmas will keep them so much safer -_-

ZeSpectre
January 2, 2013, 08:16 AM
Sounds like the 2007 Roanoke Times "sunshine" incident all over again. In that case the "journalist" Christian Trejebal insisted that he'd done nothing wrong and couldn't see any harm....until folks started posting HIS personal info and then suddenly he was very paranoid, calling the police, suspicious of packages delivered to his house, etc.

Carl N. Brown
January 2, 2013, 09:37 AM
(http://rgainvestigations.com/index.php/about-us Related to Massad? I dunno. Same last name? When I have run "Brown" and "Carl Brown" through the Memphis Commercial Appeal handgun permit database gateway, I got a lot of hits on "Brown" that I suspect are not related to me and ten "Carl Brown"s who ain't me.)

I recall an article where a woman who had gotten a protective order and moved and got a pistol permit in response to a credible death threat found to her horror that anyone could type in her name at the newspaper database website and get (a) the fact she had a pistol permit and (b) her new, relocated address.

Tennessee "gun nuts" pressured the Memphis Commercial Appeal into removing street address.

People have in the past have responded to me that the permit database is a public record and it is legal to publish public records on people. Name address DOB SSN DL number are public records but they also constitute an identity theft kit. Geez. That starts me on a rant that there is legal, illegal, right and wrong and those are often four different things in my not so humble opinion.

BUT the newspapers who think they are doing a public service by outting gun permit holders are deluded, and the fact that the New York newspaper has hired armed guards out of fear of enraged gun permit holders shows they are probably paranoid. Knowing the carry permit holders I know, they would probably have been better off hiring lawyers, not armed guards, to defend them.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/data/gunpermits/
a supporter of the Memphis Commercial Appeal Tennessee Handgun Carry Permits website
... Any private citizen who carries a loaded, concealed handgun in and among the public constitutes a potential threat to public safety. .... If we know who these people are who carry concealed weapons, we can give them wide berth and/or keep their actions under close scrutiny. ...
Gregory W. Boller
Collierville
I have used that database myself: when the newspaper reports a crime or reckless incident with a gun, I run the accused's name: no hits on bad or dangerous guys so far. Wow, who wudda thunk that, that bad guys with guns don't need no stinkin' permits. But anti-gun nuts like Greg want to know who to give a wide berth to and who to keep under close scrutiny; he would not be able to give a wide birth to triple murderer Michael Fields: Fields used knife and baseball bat and did not need a carry permit for those weapons and would not show up on a newspaper database. I am perfectly comfortable with the idea that the Gregs of the world want to shun me, but the keeping under close scrutiny part creeps me out.

Slipknot_Slim
January 2, 2013, 09:55 AM
Remember the newspaper that posted the names and addresses of gun owners? They've now hired armed guards.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/01/journal-news-hires-armed-security-guards-153103.html?hp=r18

stonecutter2
January 2, 2013, 09:57 AM
I wonder if the armed guards' names and addresses are on their pretty little map.

Slipknot_Slim
January 2, 2013, 10:01 AM
I just thought it a bit ironic that an anti-gun newspaper would decide to get its own hired guns rather than rely on the police protection that they feel is adequate for everyone else. Apparently, the Rockland County Times had similar thoughts.

stonecutter2
January 2, 2013, 10:09 AM
I just thought it a bit ironic that an anti-gun newspaper would decide to get its own hired guns rather than rely on the police protection that they feel is adequate for everyone else. Apparently, the Rockland County Times had similar thoughts.
Oh, it's more than a bit ironic :)

It gets to the root of the hyprocrisy among people. Nobody wants to discuss this amongst the public. It's exactly what Wayne was getting at in his statement, and the Journal News just exemplified it.

Schools apparently aren't good enough to guard, but a newspaper office is? Oh, those precious reporters! At least they'll be safe to report on the next tragedy when the senseless bans don't do anything to solve our problems.

The email that I guess was supposed to be threatening was so laughable, too. Someone just says "good luck with your inbox" and it's a threat? Talk about living in fear...

stonecutter2
January 2, 2013, 10:20 AM
Knowing the carry permit holders I know, they would probably have been better off hiring lawyers, not armed guards, to defend them.

Never underestimate the ability of the public to go totally nuts and feel able to send whatever they like via email or the internet. I can't imagine what some people have said/sent to those reporters.

jon86
January 2, 2013, 10:23 AM
I seriously can't stand this elitist attitude.

berettaprofessor
January 2, 2013, 10:39 AM
I can't imagine what some people have said/sent to those reporters.


I can.:evil:

Slipknot_Slim
January 2, 2013, 10:40 AM
Frankly, I can't either. And thanks to Robert for merging the two threads. Moderators around here work overtime trying to take care of the newbies on the site.

Slim

SidRon
January 2, 2013, 08:20 PM
In an ironic twist of fate the paper that published the names and adresses of hangun permit holders in two NY counties has hired armed guards to protect its offices after receiving troubling emails in response to publishing the list. I find it most amusing that the media thinks putting armed guards in schools after twenty children are murdered is insanity but putting armed guards in their offices after receiving a few nasty emails makes perfect sense. I guess more guns is the answer when its your ass on the line. Here is a ling to one article. There are many others online.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/nyregion/putnam-officials-keep-gun-permit-records-from-journal-news.html

GEM
January 2, 2013, 08:33 PM
Do the guards have assault pistols with high capacity magazines?

:D

Double Vision
January 2, 2013, 08:37 PM
Gee whiz, why didn't they just put up a "Gun Free Zone" sign?

Ms_Dragon
January 2, 2013, 08:40 PM
Payback is a B%@#*

CharlieBT
January 2, 2013, 08:40 PM
The public has a right to know the same data about this publisher's bosses, like the identification, home addresses and phone numbers of the officers, counsel and shareholders of the company and its parent company. Maybe that will wake up someone accountable?

22-rimfire
January 2, 2013, 08:45 PM
I think they should have just posted signs forbidding guns inside their building. That should fix the problem. ;)

There is one NY county that has refused to provide the records to the paper. Said it was a public safety issue.

cvoharley
January 2, 2013, 09:30 PM
The public has a right to know the same data about this publisher's bosses, like the identification, home addresses and phone numbers of the officers, counsel and shareholders of the company and its parent company. Maybe that will wake up someone accountable?


Part of the problem is that this information is readily available on the internet. I obviously don't condone any type of vigilantism but do see the irony in the situation.

mljdeckard
January 2, 2013, 09:41 PM
Whatever for?!

LeonCarr
January 2, 2013, 09:43 PM
Have they published the names and addresses of the armed guards and put their locations on a map?

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

Onmilo
January 2, 2013, 09:50 PM
So,,,,, Presidents and Newspapers can have armed guards but Schools cannot??? ***

sidheshooter
January 2, 2013, 10:14 PM
I guess more guns is the answer when its your ass on the line.


Isn't this the truth distilled, right there.

Agsalaska
January 2, 2013, 10:19 PM
The whole thing is just asinine.

Silent Bob
January 2, 2013, 10:24 PM
I am skeptical that more people with guns are the answer for this newspaper staffs' security, to paraphrase our sorry excuse for a President.

beatledog7
January 2, 2013, 10:36 PM
Far too many sheeple are willing to ignore this sort of nonsense, and that's why we are where we are.

blkbrd666
January 2, 2013, 10:49 PM
Has anyone heard if any of the journalists in these latest cases have had their addresses and personal info posted on the Internet yet?

gym
January 2, 2013, 11:31 PM
I commented on their article, as I have done before. They are afraid of what they did, but plan on publishing more names. I told them that they are playing with fire. If anyones family geys hurt or killed, you never know what can happen. There are many crazies out there and this is not a subject one should be messing around with for publicity.

CharlieBT
January 2, 2013, 11:40 PM
The further one gets up the chain away from the writer, editor, publisher, to say senior company executives, and the more personal data that is accumulated from the web and collated into an easily accessed database, with personally identifiable information, the more likely this newspaper is going to see the error of its ways. Particularly chilling is the FB data the blogger pulled down, identifying the publisher's children by name, their universities and travel schedules, etc. It is ALL out there for the taking. A CEO, CFO or division executive who is outed in similar fashion is not going to tolerate this kind of social media backlash resulting from a completely misguided and wrong headed editorial decision. Social media can be a game changer. I too abhor violence or vigilantism, but activism and fighting fire with fire are ok in my view. Just my 2 cents.

Ignition Override
January 3, 2013, 12:31 AM
As the newspaper's primary motivation for its despicable, irresponsible decisions must have been an increase in sales and advertising revenue, how has this worked out for them? Will any advertisers drop them, or will some advertisers suffer from a boycott of their products/services?

If the newsrag's profit has increased, is much of it being spent on security and attorney's fees to defend it from lawsuits?
As somebody stated, there is nothing funny about exposing personal data to identity theft possibilities.

Maybe this watershed event will permanently freeze any similar contemplations by the leftists working at the larger east, west coast Rags, and in Chicago, Madison WI and at the solidly leftist Minneapolis Star "Tribunal".

BlueBronco
January 3, 2013, 12:39 AM
I don't know how the laws regarding armed security guards are in NY, but in FL, they are limited to a couple of models of 9mm pistols and 1 model of revolver in .357 mag. They also aren't supposed to use it in extremes cases such as they have just been killed.

paramedic70002
January 3, 2013, 12:55 PM
Synopsis:

First trashes Second.

Second Trashes First.

First embraces Second.

Nice.

jmace57
January 5, 2013, 12:41 AM
Gem - don't you mean "high VELOCITY" magazines?

pezo
January 5, 2013, 09:45 AM
I think the media seems to think they are on a higher level than the rest of us. See the president gets heavy armed protection, the media / news now gets it but when it comes to us common folk and our kids nope we're just evil gun owners or sheeple. We need to play dead. How does this not anger everyone? I believe that a lot of anti gun common people just feel they couldn't bring themselves to use a firearm to protect themselves if their life depended on it so they shove the only thing they feel they can do "gun control" down our throats. This is a personal safety issue folks. We need to keep fighting for our rights relentlessly.

bobbo
January 5, 2013, 11:16 AM
Think for a second why they did this, and if you were in their situation, would you do the same?

Well, gee, if I were receiving as many death threats as they are (anthrax scare, anonymous emails), I'd hire armed guards, too. They don't deserve death threats, which only "prove" to the other side is what stupid, ignorant and violent morons gun owners "are," and only throw fuel on the gun-grabbing fire.

I'm sure somebody will come along with "they brought it on themselves," but NOBODY needs to be threatened with illegal action.

SuperNaut
January 5, 2013, 11:19 AM
Think for a second why they did this, and if you were in their situation, would you do the same?

Well, gee, if I were receiving as many death threats as they are (anthrax scare, anonymous emails), I'd hire armed guards, too. They don't deserve death threats, which only "prove" to the other side is what stupid, ignorant and violent morons gun owners "are," and only throw fuel on the gun-grabbing fire.

I'm sure somebody will come along with "they brought it on themselves," but NOBODY needs to be threatened with illegal action.
In ALL of the articles on this it is clear that the paper did not receive death threats. The police and security both state the none of the letters contained any threats.

Gaiudo
January 5, 2013, 11:29 AM
Rather that just posting their addresses, since income/tax returns are public record I wonder if anyone has thought of posting their addresses, plus income? After all, if they are going to post addresses that link to valuable commodities like firearms and raise the profile of those addresses for burglaries, isn't it fair that their addresses are linked with relevant income information?

Texshooter
January 5, 2013, 12:16 PM
Boycott Gannett, or mainly, their advertisors.

Double Naught Spy
January 5, 2013, 02:20 PM
Do the guards have assault pistols with high capacity magazines?

So you are comfortable with recognizing the terms "assault pistols" and "high capacity magazines"?

If you are trying to be sarcastic, then sarcasm of ignorance doesn't actually make us look any smarter than those at which we are poking fun.

Carl N. Brown
January 9, 2013, 07:03 AM
(In defense of Journal News): ...Well, gee, if I were receiving as many death threats as they are (anthrax scare, anonymous emails), I'd hire armed guards, too. ..."

Source on "death threats" and "anthrax"?

http://www.rocklandtimes.com/2013/01/01/the-journal-news-is-armed-and-dangerous/
Dylan Skriloff, "The Journal News is Armed and Dangerous", Rockland County Times, 1 Jan 2013.
McBride had filed at least two reports with the Clarkstown Police Department due to perceived threats. However, the police did not find the communications in question actually threatening. ... Police said the email “did not constitute an offense” and did not contain an actual threat.
....
The editors have said they believe knowing where guns are is in the public’s interest. The newspaper has also taken a strident editorial position in favor of strict gun control.
....
they have said a map listing all pistol permit holders in Putnam County will soon to be posted. [Update 1/2/13---Putnam County officials have since announced their intention to not comply with the Journal News' request for the names and addresses of pistol permit holders]


There are two classes of "outted" permit holders who are really peeved:
o jail guards in the counties covered by Journal News are getting calls at home by inmates who now know where they live, and
o women under death threat who have moved and gotten pistol permits are afraid their stalkers are just a mouse click away.

I think the newspaper screwed up big time and is trying to divert attention by crying people are really, really mad at us and wrapping their sorry butts in the 1st Amendment.

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