What if we all got licensed as security guards?


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OptimusPrime
January 2, 2013, 02:26 AM
With all the rhetoric going on about repeats of the AWB, or possibly any new legislations, of course they would never outlaw private security guards (on whom all elitists rely), right? So, what if we all just went ahead and got licensed as security professionals? Yes I realize there's a lot of us, but what if?

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Librarian
January 2, 2013, 02:48 AM
In California at least, having no idea of the rules in any other state, one needs a BSIS 'guard card' (40 hours of class by the end of 6 months), a 'firearms permit' (18-hour class), and employment by a licensed guard business.

That would allow loaded open carry, in uniform, from home to your assigned post, while on post, and from post to home.

I suspect that may not be what you had in mind.

See http://www.bsis.ca.gov/customer_service/faqs/security_guard.shtml

OptimusPrime
January 2, 2013, 03:06 AM
Thanks for the info; the "active employment as a guard" angle would be the Achilles heel to my concept.
As an engineer, I don't need any licensing for my slide rule.......yet. :scrutiny:

DeMilled
January 2, 2013, 03:23 AM
Well, you could always write up a contract providing security services to your spouse/kids/loved ones, or whomever.

Sounds legit to me.

OptimusPrime
January 2, 2013, 03:27 AM
And I could claim my $20 weekly allowance as my paycheck? Ok, sounds better now. I'll see if I can find some cool uniform too; something like a Star Trek henchman.

DeMilled
January 2, 2013, 03:28 AM
And I could claim my $20 weekly allowance as my paycheck? Ok, sounds better now. I'll see if I can find some cool uniform too; something like a Star Trek henchman.

Just so long as it's not the "Red Shirt" guy....

Screamin'Eagle
January 2, 2013, 03:48 AM
Do we really want to go ahead show our hand and give them a reason to get rid of the private citizen carry? I could see this as a strategic play if carry was not making any headway, but now that it is legal in 49 states, I fail to see the point.

Ragnar Danneskjold
January 2, 2013, 03:50 AM
A security license, and not all states even have them, is just a requirement for employers. You get hired by a security company and you're required to have the license. But the actual carrying of firearms on someone's property, still relies on the agreement between the property owner and the person carrying a firearm. In the case of security guards, it would be the property owner and the security company who then transfers that authority to the individual guard temporarily.

So it really wouldn't matter if you went through the training to get the license. You're still not employed by a security company, and more importantly, you don't have an agreement with a property owner to carry guns on their property. For instance, with public schools, even if you were licensed, you would not be able to carry on school property because the school does not have an agreement with you allowing you to guard their property.

A security guard license is not a "exempt from gun free zones" license. It's just a state mandated level of training required for someone to be employed by a company who then can have limited exemption from gun free zones in the course of performing their duties, and only in specific places and at specific times previously set by the agreement between the company and the property owner.

CajunBass
January 2, 2013, 06:51 AM
Yea. That's a good idea. Let's jump through another hoopk. Yea...we'll show 'em.

Plan2Live
January 2, 2013, 07:42 AM
SC has a Constable program. I have friends who have urged me to join in the past. Recent events and potential future impediments might push me in that direction.

herkyguy
January 2, 2013, 10:21 AM
just goes to show that with our resourcefulness, we can find a loophole in any law. which proves the point of the fallacy of more laws.

bigfatdave
January 2, 2013, 10:26 AM
no more compromises or work-arounds

The text of the constitution recognizing citizens' right to arm themselves however they damn well please doesn't read "the right of security guards to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

ClickClickD'oh
January 2, 2013, 10:28 AM
A security license does not exempt you from firearms laws. During the last AWB the security guards all had ten round magazines in their Berettas.

If new legislation passes outlawing private citizens from owning semi-automatic firearms, all the security guards will be stuck carrying .38 revolvers again... or still, since many places legislate security officers to be limited to those right now.

wriggly
January 2, 2013, 12:42 PM
All well and good to think creatively.....but what about just good old non compliance, if the bans go down. Are we just going to stand by and let them do what was done in England and Australia?

Really! Are we just going to say, "Oh, ok, heres my guns".

CookeMonster
January 2, 2013, 12:58 PM
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herkyguy
January 2, 2013, 06:01 PM
Dunno what would happen today if they come to take them. I really have no idea. Not even sure which way I would go. So many variables at play.

BUT I can tell you that our founding fathers would not have given them up. I studied the American Revolution and the creation of the Constitution at length during grad school and I have absolutely no doubt that those fine men would not have caved.

But they were also willing to give up EVERYTHING in pursuit of freedom....to include their lives, their wealth, and their families.

gym
January 2, 2013, 06:29 PM
I can tell you right now, it would be a mess. There are some folks that would not give back thier guns under any circumstances. I know it might make previous incidents pale by comparison.
These things are part of the heritage of many Americans, handed down from father to son, and the thought of some idiot demanding you give them your property when you have been a law abiding citizen your entire life, could set off a time bomb in a lot of folks.

Swing
January 2, 2013, 06:45 PM
Just so long as it's not the "Red Shirt" guy....

LOL!

Skribs
January 2, 2013, 07:17 PM
Yeah, the way I read this basically suggests that the next ban would then be on non-security personnel. So unless you have a permit, you can't have guns. Would be way too easy to take an elitist approach.

And LOL @ the red shirt comment.

rosewood151
January 2, 2013, 08:14 PM
In Pennsylvania, the rules for carrying a firearm under ACT 235 (armed private security) are super duper restrictive. So....... not sure how that would help.

Texan Scott
January 2, 2013, 09:07 PM
Prime: you have an actual slide rule, and know how to use it? That is impressive- it's an arcane and fading skill. Pass it on.

Security guard? Can I have a cheesy gold-chrome badge? How 'bout a star in a circle engraved with

FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS

... cuz I was thinkin bout that anyhoo...

Curator
January 2, 2013, 09:10 PM
This strategy seems to work in Chicago, Boston, New York, and Brazil. No telling how it will work in your State. Instead of looking for loop-holes we need to be making our thoughts known to our timid politicians.

hso
January 3, 2013, 12:28 AM
I don't know of any state that doesn't regulate security guards and companies they work for. Armed guards are even more strictly regulated.

You'd have to go through a lot of steps and money. It ain't as easy as waving a fairy wand and declaring yourself a "security guard".

ClickClickD'oh
January 3, 2013, 10:02 AM
I don't know of any state that doesn't regulate security guards and companies they work for.

Mississippi.

...and yes, that scares the ever living heck out of me.

W.E.G.
January 3, 2013, 10:25 AM
Is some new gun law going to have useful exemptions for "security guards?"

Silly notion.

Start playing games with state licensing authorities, and prepare to get bent over by them.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
January 3, 2013, 10:59 AM
HSO, time for you to start an alternate religion. One of the firearm...lol.

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