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357gunshot
January 2, 2013, 09:26 AM
I am planning on buying a new pistol for cc. My plan a 357 but I don't want a snubby.due to loss of power and sight radius... How hard is it to conceal a 4" revolver? any suggestions on the best way? I prefer small of back iwb.

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788Ham
January 2, 2013, 11:39 AM
Ruger SP 101 in the 4" configuration, ought to work IWB.

Haywood
January 2, 2013, 11:39 AM
If you carry small of the back a 4" should be OK. I have carried a 4" AIWB a number of times. You could also carry at 3, 4, and 5 O'clock. Don't forget to look at the 3" SP101. They are easy to carry and shoot.

ArchAngelCD
January 2, 2013, 11:43 AM
Why not split the difference? A 3" revolver is a great carry gun. Ruger has a 3" GP100 and S&W has a 3" M686 and M686+. I would go with an older revolver though because a S&W K frame of Ruger Six-Series revolver is a much better carry.

jimbo555
January 2, 2013, 11:50 AM
I have a police service six thats easy to carry and handles 357 rounds with ease!

Kleanbore
January 2, 2013, 12:02 PM
Posted by 357gunshot: I am planning on buying a new pistol for cc. My plan a 357 but I don't want a snubby.due to loss of power and sight radius... How hard is it to conceal a 4" revolver? any suggestions on the best way? I prefer small of back iwb.Search the forum on small of the back carry. There is a lot of risk in terms of very serious serious injuries due to pushes or falls, and there are issues pertaining to accessing the weapon under some circumstances.

Also--shoot before buying. Try several very rapid shots--two or three in half a second--and see how well you can keep them in a CoM target at five and ten yards. The boom and fuss at the muzzle should not be confused with effectiveness.

I have a .38 that will fire magnum ammo, but I always keep it loaded with Specials.

And it's no longer my primary carry gun. I prefer an easier trigger pull and more capacity.

raa-7
January 2, 2013, 12:06 PM
I would go with a .357 3" bbl. Thats jmho.But I would go to your local gs and just try out a 4" with different holsters because they are getting real good on fit and comfort.

bannockburn
January 2, 2013, 12:22 PM
I would also go with a 3" barrel, like a used S&W Model 13 or a used Ruger Service or Speed Six.

brnmw
January 2, 2013, 02:22 PM
4 inch. Colt "Python" and a Kirk Patrick Leather Company Duty Holster.

BigJimP
January 2, 2013, 05:12 PM
I like a 4" revolver for a carry gun...and I prefer the S&W K frames...a model 19 or 66...essentially the same gun ( 19's are blued or nickel) -- 66's are all stainless - both are .357 mag / and that's what I carry them with ( 158 gr HydraShok when I carry one of them).

When I carry one of my 4" K frames...its in a Kramer Leather IWB horsehide holster with a forward FBI tilt ....and I like it at about 4 O'Clock....too much stress on my shoulder to but it in the small of my back / and I'm not that flexible anymore / and its not comfortable.

http://kramerleather.com/productDetail.cfm?productID=9&categoryID=23&make=SMITH%20%26%20WESSON&model=19%2F66%204&CFID=19932625&CFTOKEN=81200464

Kramers holsters are model specific ...( photo shows a 1911 ) ...but he makes them for a number of revolvers as well.

Rexster
January 2, 2013, 07:11 PM
I am planning on buying a new pistol for cc. My plan a 357 but I don't want a snubby.due to loss of power and sight radius... How hard is it to conceal a 4" revolver? any suggestions on the best way? I prefer small of back iwb.
First of all, I hope all the bad fuys I face in the future carry in the small of the back, as it gives me so many advantages.

That being said, I do notice an increase in "shootability" with my 3.06" SP101, compared to my 2.25" SP101 snubbies. I plan to acquire a 4" SP101 in the future.

I do shoot my 4" S&W Model 19 and 4" GP100 revolvers dramatically better than any of my SP101 revolvers, but that is going to have more to do with hand fit, to include a better trigger stroke position, than barrel length.

Rexster
January 2, 2013, 07:13 PM
I will add that my favored concealed-carry 4" revolver holster is the Milt Sparks PMK. The Sparks 200AW is also very good, but is more of a field holster, as the weapon is not as close to the body.

hardluk1
January 2, 2013, 07:46 PM
If you want the power of a short er barrel 357mag revolver why not just buy a glock 357sig in the g32. Lighter , Higher capacity, smaller overall package and higher power level at 1400fps with a 124 gr bullet with ammo from BB . Hard to better with a 357mag and a 4" barrel and harder to conceal. Other wise a ruger sp101 with a 3 or 4 inch barrel. Atleast at 27oz empty

R.W.Dale
January 2, 2013, 08:02 PM
Take my advice. I went from everything mentioned here including a g32 to a gp100

You're not going to believe this but the gun that made me quit carrying snubby revolvers is a scandium L frame with a 6" barrel and full sized round butt grips

Yes you heard right a 6" barreled 7 shot hunting revolver. That jjust so happens to weigh 27.5oz

Take my advice, buy a scandium full sized Smith in the configuration of your preference and be done with it.

The rugers were too heavy, the glocks were hard to conceal and the 357 has such bullet setback problems you couldn't afford to unload it to practice. Automatic guys don't understand this but even a big revolver has a shape that's much easily hidden and with the exclusion of the cylinder is only about half the width of a glock.

I carry this gun in a hi ride pancake of unknown origin at 2:30 I'm a tall guy and with proper shirts this gun carries invisibility. Unlike the gp100 (I had prior to this) its light enough I can forget its weight.


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/krochus/2012-11-24102559.jpg



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R.W.Dale
January 2, 2013, 08:05 PM
If you want the power of a short er barrel 357mag revolver why not just buy a glock 357sig in the g32. Lighter , Higher capacity, smaller overall package and higher power level at 1400fps with a 124 gr bullet with ammo from BB . Hard to better with a 357mag and a 4" barrel and harder to conceal. Other wise a ruger sp101 with a 3 or 4 inch barrel. Atleast at 27oz empty

BB may make good ammo but they cannot work magic that will turn 357 sig into a REAL 357 mag load. Remington sjhp clocks 1550 from the revolver pictured above. A gun that doesn't EAT super expensive carry loads without actually getting to shoot them




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savit260
January 2, 2013, 08:16 PM
A 4" mid frame revolver is a breeze to carry provided that you have a really good holster, and a very sturdy belt.

A high quality ( I prefer IWB @ about the 3 o'clock position) holster will hold the grip of the revolver tight to your body. The grip is the hardest part to conceal on ANY gun. A GOOD (not a dept. store special) BELT is as important as a good holster.

Myself... I use Simply Rugged holsters, and find them to work very well.

Once you move away from pocket carry to belt carry... you have a TON of options open to you. You can actually carry something a good bit larger with relative ease.

MedWheeler
January 2, 2013, 10:55 PM
I don't carry it regularly, but I do carry at times my Ruger Police Service Six in an IWB-holster that is worn between the belt and pants. It requires the concealing garment that OWB-carry would, but rides as a slimmer profile than true OWB-carry, with the belt smoothing over the profile some.
It's loaded with .38 Special +P ammunition.

357gunshot
January 3, 2013, 07:34 AM
That's a lot of good info. My concern that a 4" revolver would be to lagre to conceal is greatly diminised. So to nut shell what I'm hearing, rvolver w/4" barrel, good quality holster that rides high witha tilt, @4 o'clock. That should be a good start?

brnmw
January 3, 2013, 08:04 AM
You may already know this but a .357 Mag. revolver on avg. is going to be a bulky frame especially if you do not want a snubbie. A co-worker of mine who shoots all the time sold his .357 Mag. 3" revolver due to the recoil issue and heavy weight it had. I know you said you do not want a snubbie but what about a smaller framed lighter weight .38 Spl. that is +P rated... just something to think about.

PRM
January 3, 2013, 10:04 PM
Personally, over the last 35+ years I have owned and shot both the .357 and .38 Special. Of the two calibers, I like the .38 best all around. My current EDC is an S&W Model 36-1. As far as size and portability, this has been one of the best small revolvers I have owned. The three inch heavy barrel makes it very comfortable to shoot.

Lucky Derby
January 4, 2013, 04:42 AM
I often carry a 4" Colt Trooper in a Simply Rugged Sourdough Pancake. Not hard at all. In fact a also carry a 4" S&W .44 Special that maks the Colt look small, in a Simply Rugged.
Get a good holster and belt and it is not hard at all.
www.simplyrugged.com

KevinB
January 4, 2013, 08:49 AM
You're not going to believe this but the gun that made me quit carrying snubby revolvers is a scandium L frame with a 6" barrel and full sized round butt grips

"That's not a gun, THIS is a gun!" Ha, love it. What a great looking weapon. What model is that? Does that barrel length carry well even while sitting, bending, etc?

R.W.Dale
January 4, 2013, 09:48 AM
Its a 386 Smith

Actually in the same holster because of my narrow waist the longer bbl works better for me vs a snubby because it rides my hips a little and as a result pushes the grip closer into my body. Whereas a revolver without longer bbl tends to lean out a little at the grip after wearing it awhile

I'm a tall guy 6'-3" so if I actually buy properly sized shirts the muzzle never shows or really gets in the way. On the rare occasion I wear jeans instead of cargo's I can actually poke the bbl into my pocket for super concealment

All in all its not that much different than carrying a full sized pistol. Just a lot lighter, narrower and with more HP



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Quoheleth
January 5, 2013, 07:08 AM
I don't always carry a revolver, but when I do it's a 2" Colt Detective Special in a UBG owb holster, around the 8 o'clock position (southpaw). I have a Smith K frame I want to get in rotation but haven't sprung for a holster, yet.

TrueTexan
January 5, 2013, 11:44 AM
I carry a 686+ 3 inch with a Simply Rugged Sourdough Pancake depending on the mood ether IWB or OWB. Carry at 4 to 5 o'clock without a problem.

savit260
January 5, 2013, 12:07 PM
That's a lot of good info. My concern that a 4" revolver would be to lagre to conceal is greatly diminised. So to nut shell what I'm hearing, rvolver w/4" barrel, good quality holster that rides high witha tilt, @4 o'clock. That should be a good start?

Don't forget a GOOD belt. This will make a BIG difference in how the gun carries.

Again, as others have said... Simply Rugged gets the job done really well for reasonable money.

I see no reason to hinder yourself with 5 shot a J frame (unless you have tiny tiny hands) or even a 5 shot SP 101 (great gun, but getting close to K frame size with 1 less round) when a 4" K frame is so easy to carry. Much better ergonimics in a mid frame gun for most people, six shots, and enough weight to shoot .357 with relative ease.

2" is great for in a pocket, but on a belt, there's just not any real difference between 2" and 4" IMO. I actually find the 4" revovlers EASIER to carry on a belt.

Sam1911
January 5, 2013, 12:12 PM
When I carry a wheel gun it's usually a 4" barreled 629, loaded with .44 Special +P+(+).

I can carry it IWB or OWB and it isn't much of a bother to me.

Here are some shots:

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/sam1911/2007_09050014.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/sam1911/2007_09050015.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/sam1911/CR001.jpg

In the last pic, you can tell it's there if you're looking for it, but that's not bad for concealing a .44 Mag and 3 speed loaders.

I removed the rear belt loop, drilled a hole a bit lower down along the rear edge of the holster, and reinstalled the loop there. That spreads out the anchor points on the belt and gave it a slight forward cant. Easy 30 second modification.

Jack19
January 5, 2013, 05:22 PM
Don't discount snubbies. Civilian shootings occur close up, very quickly, and with very few shots fired; a snubbie can be just as effective as the latest greatest wonder 9/40/whatever.

That said, snubbies are professionals weapons; being good with them takes practice. Do your part, a snubbie will serve you very well.

http://www.snubnose.info/docs/Theory.htm

Kleanbore
January 5, 2013, 06:01 PM
Posted by Jack19: Civilian shootings occur close up, very quickly, and with very few shots fired;It would be more accurate to say "Most civilian shootings occur close up, almost always very quickly, and often, with very few shots fired.

....a snubbie can be just as effective as the latest greatest wonder 9/40/whatever. Unless one runs out of ammo.

When one considers that an attack might well involve more than one assailant and that more than one hit is very likely to be needed, one begins to understand the desirability of more capacity. This thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=665883) provides some food for thought on the subject.

There is one other consideration: the trigger pull of some of the smaller revolvers can prove problematical for many people.

If I were for some reason limited to snubbies, I would probably opt for two revolvers with better DA pulls than my J-frames.

Until the above linked analysis was posted by John, I often carried a five shot S&W. I no longer carry it as a primary weapon.

I can shoot a larger framed revolver much better than a J-frame, but for me, a commander-length semi auto with an Officer's frame is far more easily concealed.

340PD
January 5, 2013, 06:13 PM
586L comp. 7 rounds

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t320/gnystrom_photos/586Lcomp.jpg

Deer_Freak
January 5, 2013, 09:25 PM
I have an old Charter snub nose 357. It is a beast! I would go with the 2 inch barrel. You need a 6.5" barrel to get the most out of a 357. The only difference between a 4" and a 2" is you can't pocket carry the 4". Plenty of people thought their 4" 357 is just as accurate as my long barrel 357's. They shoot a good group at 25 yards. Then give me that smug top that look. I smile and top that at 40 yards. My Father in law was a navy pistol champ. I have seen him make unbelievable shots at 75 yards or more.

tomrkba
January 5, 2013, 10:20 PM
I am planning on buying a new pistol for cc. My plan a 357 but I don't want a snubby.due to loss of power and sight radius... How hard is it to conceal a 4" revolver? any suggestions on the best way? I prefer small of back iwb

1) Snubbies

Snubbies don't lose as much power as you think. Bullets will work within a range of velocities. Make sure the velocity is within that range out to 25 yards and all will be well. See Stephen A. Camp's website and various threads around here.

Now, you can look at a 2.5" or 3" barrel. The trade-off is the revolver is more difficult to shoot due to the shorter sight radius. A four inch barrel is manageable. I notice a very large improvement in my shooting with a 5" barrel over a 3" barrel. The four inch barrel is a reasonable compromise. Carrying a gun with a 6" barrel would be very difficult.

2) Concealment

The first trick is to figure out if the barrel is too long. If you carry IWB, a gun that is too long will print in the rear pocket area. A pancake holster means you'll need a longer covering garment. Sometimes, a long barrel or slide will cause the gun to dig into my side when I sit in a squishy chair.

Second, you'll likely want to carry in various positions. Generally, I carry in the pocket, appendix position IWB, strong side (either IWB or OWB), and off body in a Dillon "Plan B". I need a very short barreled revolver for comfortable carry in the appendix position. The S&W Model 442 or 642 works great for both the appendix position and the pocket. I carry a backup revolver anyway, so the J-Frame just moves around as necessary. You may be able to carry your revolver with 4" barrel in the appendix position comfortably if you are tall and thin.

You can increase your holster's ability to conceal by making sure the straps are split and not on the face. This makes for a thinner profile. Not all carry locations can benefit from this. There are a few holsters with offset loops for the appendix position.

Forward cant for strong side carry is very important and helps reducing printing by the stocks. Revolvers are "tall" overall (as measured from the top of the rear sight to the bottom of the grip). You will find many holster makers do not offer enough forward cant. Google for "compiled list of holster makers" (or similar) for a large list of sites to visit. Look at El Paso Saddlery's "Dual Duty" pancake holster for an example of lots of forward cant (unfortunately, they do not make this for revolvers).

Boot style grips are very important. Many makers offer such grips, including: Badger Grips, Herrett's Stocks, and others. Ahrend's do extend downward past the bottom of the frame, but you can order them unfinished and modify them.

3) Weight

Buy a Comp-Tac kydex reinforced belt. A holster with split loops will distribute the weight and make it feel slightly lighter. Weight in a revolver is an advantage when shooting and I think it's more important than convenience.

Deer_Freak
January 5, 2013, 10:31 PM
Another reason I like snub nose pistols I can pocket carry is I will carry them. If your 357 is at home in the safe it will not save your life. I bought my snubbie because I was not confident in a 9 oz 380. Yes, the 380 has about the same range as the snubbie but it is a peashooter. I prefer a cartridge that will penetrate a 400 lb man's chest when he has a coat on. The 357 will get it done.

Nasty
January 6, 2013, 09:36 AM
I often find comfort with a Charter Arms Bulldog Pug in .44 Special.

Fits in my front right pocket very comfortably and no one can argue with the caliber.

tomrkba
January 6, 2013, 11:57 AM
Nasty,

Have you had any problems with your Charter Arms Pug? I am thinking about getting one.

Is this the gun?

http://www.charterfirearms.com/products/Charter_Bulldog_14420.asp

Nasty
January 6, 2013, 10:49 PM
Mine is the stainless version, but yes. It has been totally free of any issues since I bought it new. Thousands of rounds downrange, but no hot loads...just cowboy type and Speer Gold Dots.

What's not to like except for the mishandled years when others owned the company. Mine is the current production model.

mdauben
January 7, 2013, 10:27 AM
586L comp. 7 rounds

That is a sweet looking little gun. I was wondering what its like shooting full-power .357 loads with a compensator, though?

tomrkba
January 9, 2013, 09:13 PM
Mine is the stainless version, but yes. It has been totally free of any issues since I bought it new. Thousands of rounds downrange, but no hot loads...just cowboy type and Speer Gold Dots.

What's not to like except for the mishandled years when others owned the company. Mine is the current production model.

This is very good news. One doesn't hear often about lower priced revolver options that work well.

CajunBass
January 10, 2013, 07:35 AM
I don't carry them everyday, but I've never had any trouble concealling a 4" revolver in an OWB holster, on a good belt, at the 3 O'clock position. The only reason I don't carry them is I've got a Smith & Wesson Model 12 with an aluminum frame that is so much lighter.

A light jacket, an untucked shirt, suit coat, slightly oversized sweat shirt. They'll all cover a 4" revolver with no problem. Shoot, with the proper grips a "N" frame Smith wouldn't be THAT hard to hide.

Loc n Load
January 10, 2013, 10:42 AM
I carried a 4" M-65 smith with sq butt for over twenty years....spurless hammer, carried in a Smith & Wesson IWB holster.....I carried it strong side hip....as with any CC you should "dress for the gun"...but I carried this revolver in hot, humid climates daily, normally under a T shirt and was never "made". I still carry the 357, but have transitioned to the 3" RB M-65 - spurless, with a blade tech IWB strong side. Carry rds are 125 JHP's.

Nasty
January 12, 2013, 11:53 PM
Tom - The Charters are not so much low priced as some others (with huge marketing budgets) are so *over* priced. Charter firearms will serve you well.

tomrkba
January 13, 2013, 12:14 PM
The Charters are not so much low priced as some others (with huge marketing budgets) are so *over* priced.

I agree with that. I saw an S&W 640 Pro listed at $750 (complete with off center barrel). Yikes! Some of those N-Frames are priced at $1,049. All that MIM, a cruddy LOCK located in the ugliest place possible, and so forth is a real turn-off. I understand they want to lower manufacturing costs...but lower prices too!

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