[s9601694]

I am struggling with getting my EDC routine right on work days. My place of work doesn't allow fire arms and so I am left to leaving it in my truck. I've walked around all day with my concealed holster but that seems silly.

How do you guys do it? What is your routine?

Thanks!


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[Deus Machina]

Buy a holster with a clip instead of loops, or swap them out if you can. Then you can take it off.
Me, unless I plan on going anywhere but work that day, I just drop the .38 in my pocket.

[Taurus 617 CCW]

I keep a Ruger LCP in my holster jacket and nobody knows any different. It's so small and light, I forget it's there.

[lemaymiami]

In my view this is one of those "render unto Caesar" propositions. Don't risk your job by carrying where it's prohibited. Do have a secure place to store your weapon in your vehicle (and that's where the sidearm goes when you're enroute to work so you're never in the position of disarming in the workplace parking area...). Yes, it's handy to have a holster that allows you to remove sidearm and holster easily in those kind of situations.

When I was a cop we were always required to remove our weapons if dealing with any prisoners, or in secure facilities (feds don't allow locals to carry on their premises -at least down here in south Florida) and we were never allowed to carry into any courthouse... The real problem you face is proper security for a firearm in your vehicle. I'd pay some attention to that...

Hope this helps

[d-dogg]

Never given it much thought since it would be a felony to carry with or without a permit or even bring a gun "on-site" at pretty much any of the places I have worked for the last 32 years.

Even in the vehicle it would have been illegal.

Check the policies of your work place first.

[Glockedout17]

Well, my job is food delivery and we all know that delivery guys are always prone to being robbed, so I definitely carry on the job. I carry my Glock 19 in a hybrid holster, but I will be getting a pocket pistol for the spring and summer mths coming up.

[Nasty]

Anyplace that denies carry by responsible licensed folks might just as well hang a sign that reads "Soft Target Area".

BTW...your truck does not need to be armed, *you* do.

[Guillermo]

In my state it is not illegal for concealed carry licensees to carry at work (unless they follow certain rules for making it so, specifically a 30.06 sign)

When I worked for other people I carried. Didn't pay much attention to the "rules" of the company.

Once the owner and I were talking and the subject of guns in the workplace came up. I told him that he probably didn't want my opinion. He grinned and said "I think I know, but it is best left unspoken".

[pockets]

In my view this is one of those "render unto Caesar" propositions. Don't risk your job by carrying where it's prohibited.
Yep......this.
One does not actually need a pistol to be 'armed' at work, within the company policies.
Although I may not agree with all their silly rules, I'm not about to throw away 31 years of very good employment at a very good company.
Especially since I already agreed to their policies way back in 1982.

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[Mainsail]

Well, I’ll forgo the discussion on compliance and integrity and just (cautiously) offer a suggestion on how to keep from getting caught. This will work also for places that may allow carry but you prefer they not know. If you don’t need it immediately on your person while you’re working do the following:

>Go to the Post Office and pick up a handful of the free express mail boxes, the smallest size that will fit your gun.
>Find some foam and cut it to fit inside the box once the box is assembled.
>Put your unloaded gun in the box and seal it up.
>Write some address on it. Use your imagination- it should be going to somewhere that accounts for the weight of the box.
>Put the box in your briefcase or backpack- whatever you use to carry your stuff back and forth.
>Remember not to actually mail it. Lock it in your desk or locker when it will be out of your sight.

If you ever need it, it’s just a quick zip-pull away. If your employer should suddenly out of the blue decide to search everyone’s belongings, it just looks like you’re going to mail a package after work. They cannot open your mail.

[oneounceload]

Anyplace that denies carry by responsible licensed folks might just as well hang a sign that reads "Soft Target Area".

Not true at all. Try bringing a gun even into the parking lot of a power plant, especially a nuclear one, and watch your gun rights disappear in an instant. As for soft target area, the ones around here have guards armed with toys most of us cannot legally acquire

[s9601694]

Thanks for the insights and suggestions all.

For me: I do not intend to break company policy and jeopardize my position and reputation at my company. Therefore i will not break company policies i signed off on, whatever they apply to. I'm not sure if it is a policy at our company, but the only rule i would break is having a gun in my truck. I believe that truck is my private territory (like my house) and i have the right to keep a gun in there. I don't know the law well enough but that seems reasonable (?!). (I understand the nuclear powerplant policies!).. Slightly off topic: if i drop my daughter off at school and drive onto the school parking lot, while armed, and i do not leave my truck, am i breaking the law??

[s9601694]

My company's policy (i am showing only the relevant sections):

(...)Such behaviors may include, but are not limited to:

• (...)
• Use of weapons, and/or carrying weapons onto Company property.

(...)

The Company reserves the right to conduct searches and inspections of any employee or Company-managed property without notice. If you refuse to submit to a search, you may be subject to disciplinary action up to and including termination.

So this does not include MY vehicle is how I read it.. Any opinions?

Thanks!

[pendennis]

When the company says firearms may not be brought onto their property, you can probably safely assume that they mean the parking lot(s) also, since parking lots usually belong to the company, or they've leased the space.

You may want to get your management to further refine the definition of the restrictions, but I wouldn't get caught bringing a gun to a company with those caveats. I'm sure they've probably had an attorney research this.

The company from which I retired five years ago, had a similar policy. By bringing your vehicle onto their property, you ceded any privacy rights you had before entering.

[s9601694]

When the company says firearms may not be brought onto their property, you can probably safely assume that they mean the parking lot(s) also, since parking lots usually belong to the company, or they've leased the space.

You may want to get your management to further refine the definition of the restrictions, but I wouldn't get caught bringing a gun to a company with those caveats. I'm sure they've probably had an attorney research this.

The company from which I retired five years ago, had a similar policy. By bringing your vehicle onto their property, you ceded any privacy rights you had before entering.
Thanks, I'll ask HR to clarify

[Slipknot_Slim]

Thanks for the insights and suggestions all.

For me: I do not intend to break company policy and jeopardize my position and reputation at my company. Therefore i will not break company policies i signed off on, whatever they apply to. I'm not sure if it is a policy at our company, but the only rule i would break is having a gun in my truck. I believe that truck is my private territory (like my house) and i have the right to keep a gun in there. I don't know the law well enough but that seems reasonable (?!). (I understand the nuclear powerplant policies!).. Slightly off topic: if i drop my daughter off at school and drive onto the school parking lot, while armed, and i do not leave my truck, am i breaking the law??
In my state, the situation you describe with your daughter, would not be illegal for a permit holder.

[s9601694]

Which state is that? Here in Colorado you dont need a permit to have a gun with you in your car

[Slipknot_Slim]

Which state is that? Here in Colorado you dont need a permit to have a gun with you in your car
You don't need a permit to have a gun in a car in my state either....as long as there is no ammunition in it.

[Dr_B]

By bringing your vehicle onto their property, you ceded any privacy rights you had before entering.

Not sure about your state, but in mine (Idaho) your vehicle is an extension of your home. If your vehicle is on company property, your employer still cannot regulate what you have in it. That would legally be the same as them telling you that you cannot store certain things in your home.

I work at a state university that is fond of telling everyone that their policies extend to vehicles as well as university property (even though that is not true). Its not illegal for them to stretch the truth, but they do it all the time.

[s9601694]

Not sure about your state, but in mine (Idaho) your vehicle is an extension of your home. If your vehicle is on company property, your employer still cannot regulate what you have in it. That would legally be the same as them telling you that you cannot store certain things in your home.

I work at a state university that is fond of telling everyone that their policies extend to vehicles as well as university property (even though that is not true). Its not illegal for them to stretch the truth, but they do it all the time.
Right, and the same goes for Colorado i think. I will have to re-educate myself on that topic to be sure.

[Slipknot_Slim]

Obviously laws vary from state to state. It's good to know the laws in your particular state and any that you plan on visiting.

[squid841]

That's just what I do here in Indiana. I use a Old Faithful tuckable holster for my Beretta M9A1. When I get to work, I just lock it in the car. If your holster fits you correctly, You shouldn't even notice the empty holster most of the time.

[BTNut]

My company has a "no guns" policy, but I started working here before the policy. My life is worth more to me than my job, so I choose to ignore their policy.

It's kind of ironic that when I started working here, it was a privately owned company, and I valued my job very much, as it was a very good company. They didn't have a "no guns" policy then. A few years ago the company was bought out, and has since become just an "okay" place to work, along with becoming "no guns". I figure they will most likely never find out I carry at work, unless I need to use it at work, in which case I will have bigger concerns than losing my job. In the unlikely event they did somehow find out by way of some accident of my own, meh, whatever, I can easily find another job for another company at least as good or better than this one. My profession has no shortage of jobs, and to me a job is just a job.

I guess I look at it the same as carrying every day everywhere else. Sure there are risks and inconveniences, but they are far outweighed by the risks incurred by not having it if I should actually ever need it.

[MedWheeler]

I work in EMS, which is a "no-carry" profession. Off the job, I carry my sidearm in a belt-slide holster worn outside-the-waistband, and covered. On my work days, I simply carry a smaller gun (Kel-Tec P32) in my pocket while traveling to and from, then stow it during the work day.
My work days are so long that it is not common for me to go anywhere else after work without going home first.

Oh, and I do have a second job in pizza delivery, like poster #6 does, and I do carry there; one on me, and one in my truck.

[MyGreenGuns]

One of my old jobs updated their policy to say no guns on company property, even in your vehicle. I think they were surprised when so many of us started parking across the street.

EDIT: I dont know if it is legal to ban me from having a gun in my truck on their property. But I was assuming this would be a long-time job and didnt want to make waves.

[ArchAngelCD]

I think I read about a court case where the ruling gave the worker the right to leave their gun in their car where the employer prohibits carry in the workplace. The ruling stated the owners of the business had the right to prohibit carry in the workplace but not allowing the worker to leave the gun in their car amounted to disarming them off the company property all the way home and in between. Sorry I don't remember where the case was and if it was Federal or State. In my state the that law applies.

[Slipknot_Slim]

Once again, it depends on the individual state. Sometimes you can, sometimes you can't. Otherwise there would be no need for legislation like this.

http://www.usacarry.com/texas-gov-signs-guns-in-parking-lots-bill/

[Guillermo]

Texas has some strange laws.

Constitution was written in the reconstruction period and their goals were to disperse power rather than centralize it.

In Texas this law was needed because private property rights trumped the right to carry.

[rswartsell]

My employer has been good to me. That is why I am still there. Believeing in the "personal property" principles as much as I do the 2a, I allow that HE has the right to set policy within HIS business. The upshot is, regardless of state laws I follow his policy and leave the handgun in my truck in the parking lot when I report to work. I reunite with it when I start the truck to go home.

I personally have no problem with this. I do however see the infantessimal chance of a returning disgruntaled worker shooting the joint up with my piece in the truck in the parking lot. I accept this risk with the others I face every day by getting out of bed. YMMV.

[s9601694]

Does anyone have some sort of safe in their vehicle? Or do you just drop the gun in the mod console?


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[Dicktracey]

you should look up the castle law,it says that your house,car/truckand work place is your castle and you will be allowed to carry your gun there but i beleive ther are terms to carrying at your workplace seeing how none of them are fond of that law

[Deer_Freak]

The OP needs to have this discussion with his lawyer instead of on the world wide web. I would slip into HR and snag a copy of the company terms of employment. Then I would visit an attorney I really trust. The Op is asking questions about bringing weapons on school grounds - that is a local issue. Dude, spend $200 see an attorney to cover your ass.

[thecarfarmer]

My company's policy (i am showing only the relevant sections):

(...)Such behaviors may include, but are not limited to:

• (...)
• Use of weapons, and/or carrying weapons onto Company property.

(...)

The Company reserves the right to conduct searches and inspections of any employee or Company-managed property without notice. If you refuse to submit to a search, you may be subject to disciplinary action up to and including termination.

So this does not include MY vehicle is how I read it.. Any opinions?

Thanks!IMO, your employer may 'interpret' that to mean that they have the right to search your vehicle.
The OP needs to have this discussion with his lawyer instead of on the world wide web. I would slip into HR and snag a copy of the company terms of employment. Then I would visit an attorney I really trust. The Op is asking questions about bringing weapons on school grounds - that is a local issue. Dude, spend $200 see an attorney to cover your ass.QFT! I think Deer Freak has it nailed: ask HR for a copy of the Rules of Engagement... er, the company manual - I wouldn't offer any reason as to why. Then, an attorney can advise you as to your legal rights.

Of course, if your employer gets upset that you have a gun in your car, and wants you gone, you're gonna' be gone. They don't have to have the legal authority to search your car; they can break their own company policies. In the end, you can be (falsely) charged with sexual harrassment, insubordination; re-assigned to a department somewhere worse than the seventh level of hell, have your pay and hours cut until you leave, whatever... but you'll be gone. DAMHIK.

FWIW, I'm looking at leaving my current employer (where I reload ammo upstairs, and don't give a hoot if my gun 'prints'); may have to weigh these kind of questions myself soon. I'm thinking if I work in a place where it's flat illegal to carry, I won't carry. If it's just against some company policy... well, then I'll just take that under advisement, boss.

Just my .02 YMMV. Void where prohibited by common sense.

-Bill

[Slipknot_Slim]

The OP needs to have this discussion with his lawyer instead of on the world wide web. I would slip into HR and snag a copy of the company terms of employment. Then I would visit an attorney I really trust. The Op is asking questions about bringing weapons on school grounds - that is a local issue. Dude, spend $200 see an attorney to cover your ass.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/

[OptimusPrime]

This came up at my place of work several times, and I actually trusted my HR guy enough to talk to him about it. My cynical side thought that I should never even bring up the subject, but I was clean and I thought "nothing asked, nothing gained." We ended up having the best discussion about it, and I really opened his eyes to the whole thing.
My stance was to put the onus on the state. I'm qualified and authorized by the great state of Virginia to carry anywhere in the state (with exceptions of course). So if the state deems me acceptable, the employer needs only to allow me to exercise that right. And all he had to was remove the word "not" from the company policy that said ".....not allowed to bring firearms...." A simple change, don't have to publicize it, don't have to even tell anyone. Just let it happen.
It didn't work but at least he paid for my lunch.

[Swing]

How do you guys do it?

I'm da boss, so I pack. I encourage any staffers to do the same. :D

[ID-shooting]

Unless you happen to be a Federal employee (please don't throw rotten tomatoes at me). I am not fond of federal prison really. Funny thing, they even told us in a recent e-mail we aren't supposed to have pointed scissors. How the heck am I supposed to remove sutures without pointy scissors? Our cops all carry M9's buy they all hang out in their office so it would be a bloodbath if anyone decided to shoot the place up.

[ChopMeat]

Hell yeah, that's why I park across the street. Lol

[Hit_Factor]

Thanks, I'll ask HR to clarify

Think about that before you do. It might raise suspicions. If you want to take your employee manual to your lawyer for an opinion that might be better.

[s9601694]

Not the type of company I work for. We're all friends. ;)


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[Citizen_soldier22]

My job is replaceable, my life is not.

Using an ankle holster for my LCP and keeping an extra mag in my back pocket has yet to be noticed by any fellow employee, boss, or customer I've dealt with.

[oneounceload]

My job is replaceable, my life is not.

Then do the honorable thing and replace your job at a place where you won't be breaking the rules of the owner.

Here in FL, you can have your gun in your car in their parking lot, but if it is a no-no inside the building, then you will have zero recourse against your termination.

[suemarkp]

I think this is a state by state issue. There have been some states passing laws to define that employers can't do this for "public" parking lots (even though they own the lot space). Generally, they'll always be able to control/inspect the contents of a vehicle "inside a gated/fenced perimeter". So for my employer, I'd at least have to park outside the gated lots.

But currently, in most states I think the employer still has the right to restrict the contents of employee owned/driven cars anywhere on their property. Oklahoma, I think, was where this issue erupted last time, but don't think there's been any resolution yet.

[Driveway]

It never happened because of scheduling conflicts, but my current employer wanted to pay for everyone to go to a CCW class. Might help that our pilots are REQUIRED to have their own gun. (Tax write off, anyone?)

But, yeah, private property, they have the right to say no to guns. You don't have to work for them. I'd respect their choice and see if I could help educate them if it were that important to me.

As many have said before, state laws vary. Including the status of your vehicle. Check em out for yourself.

[Isaac-1]

Back to the original question for a moment, do you need to carry concealed to and from work. For example if your normal routine is to drive directly home from work then the gun accessible in the car should work as well if not bettery than carrying concealed

[birddog]

Anyplace that denies carry by responsible licensed folks might just as well hang a sign that reads "Soft Target Area".

As others have said, this is oversimplified in many regards and, for some workplaces, totally wrong.

I work on hazardous sites. I'm not allowed to carry there. And if you think, after 9-11, that giant chemical plants are soft targets, you're totally wrong.

Think about it.

That said, I do wish guns weren't prohibited for those of us who legally carry.

[PabloJ]

When politicians get their act together they will close down the gun show loophole (no gun sales w/o background check) and anyone with gun stolen from unattended car will be be found to be negligent. Looks like given no gun at work policy means gun stays at home stored safely in gun vault.

[SaxonPig]

Since I work in a state office state law prohibits guns in my workplace and the property is posted no guns allowed also making it a criminal offense to have a gun on the property (including the parking lot). So while I don't like it, I am unarmed when I go to work. Makes it very inconvenient if I plan to go shopping or run errands after work because I either have to go home and get my gun or go unarmed.

[Guillermo]

Then do the honorable thing and replace your job at a place where you won't be breaking the rules of the owner.

In this litigious world employee rules and handbooks are often written by attorneys that have never set foot in the company or know the owner. Because of this I do not see this as an issue of honor.

Remember, the attorney does not care whether you live or die, just limiting the liability to his client, in this case, the business owner.

[oneounceload]

It does not matter whether it is a lawyer or the true wishes of the employer
It is his house and his rules, and if you don't like them you have choices, convince them to change or find another job. If you cannot be trusted to obey company rules on company property, why should they trust you at all?

To others, here in Florida, with VERY few exceptions an employer cannot prohibit you having your gun locked in your car in their parking lot. The obvious exceptions are work locales that fall under Homeland Security

[Guillermo]

It does not matter whether it is a lawyer or the true wishes of the employer

lawyers convinced Ford that it was cheaper to pay off a few families that had loved ones burned to death in rear end collisions rather than pay to put a $8 piece between the gas tank and the body.

respect is earned, not given.

I have no respect for jerks. If some guy is scamming the system for his benefit I would (and have) done the same.

Fortunately I no longer work for someone else so if I don't like my boss I can take it out on him at any time.

[rswartsell]

So how do I get a job working for Guillermo?

[sean326]

I carried for 15 years at my last company in direct violation of their printed policy manual. But in reality it was pretty much a don't ask don't tell situation. I was fairly high up in the company and it was commonly known that I was a "gun nut". During hunting season I'd often work a half day and hunt a half day come into our very urban office in camo etc. Now for the last two years I have my own company with 25 people, guns and carry are fully supported by me. I even gave a couple Henry golden boy .22 rifles and mossberg shotgun out as corprate gifts. There was a big gun show a couple months ago and I told everyone that it was a regular workday unless you went to the gunshow

[Guillermo]

Rswartsell,

I am seriously considering opening a gun manufacturing company.

I might hire you but you w b a 1099 employee. W pay by the piece.

But there will be a range by the lunch area!!!!

[The_Armed_Therapist]

Guns are most needed where they are forbidden. Employers have their reasons (good ones) for not wanting firearms at work. Their concerns are put to rest, as are yours, if nobody knows. My $0.02.

[JShirley]

The phrasing that protects employers and employees is "employees must follow state and local weapons laws at work."

I worked in a call center for 4.5 years in GA. Weapons were against company policy, but not against the law. Even a P-11 was too big for me to reasonably carry (I weighed 146 lbs at the time). When the P-32 came out, I pocket carried it.

John

[joecil]

Well my wife and I own a small self storage facility and we both carry concealed daily. I have no problem with tenants carrying either but then a lot of my tenants are LEO's.

[VegasAR15]

I have carried at work since I was able. I think it may be against company policy but I haven't cared enough to check. Don't ask don't tell.

[justice06rr]

Just a suggestion if you leave your EDC in your vehicle, to also have a locked case/safe in case of a break-in.

I work in the largest hospital system in my state and there are clear "No Weapons" signs at the entrances, so I choose to leave my EDC in my car. I've carried into work before, but I now follow company policy as I don't feel comfortable not doing so.

[tedwitt]

First, Obey the Rules of the workplace, my boss carries his .45, SO, I guess I'm lucky that I get to carry mine. Good luck.

[s9601694]

Thanks everyone for your suggestions and insights. I found my "equilibrium":

- Get dressed and holster my EDC like any other day
- drive to work
- arrive at work, pull the gun out, put it in the glovebox
- go to work
- after work get in car, holster gun and go wherever i need to go


I talked with an HR guy and he said that they cannot and don't want to enter or search my vehicle.. That would be breaking and entering under the law, even if its parked on my company's parking lot.

I honor my company rules by not carrying at work and i still have my gun fairly close, not ideal but as good as it gets i concluded.

Problem solved

[janedoedad]

Well, I’ll forgo the discussion on compliance and integrity and just (cautiously) offer a suggestion on how to keep from getting caught. This will work also for places that may allow carry but you prefer they not know. If you don’t need it immediately on your person while you’re working do the following:

>Go to the Post Office and pick up a handful of the free express mail boxes, the smallest size that will fit your gun.
>Find some foam and cut it to fit inside the box once the box is assembled.
>Put your unloaded gun in the box and seal it up.
>Write some address on it. Use your imagination- it should be going to somewhere that accounts for the weight of the box.
>Put the box in your briefcase or backpack- whatever you use to carry your stuff back and forth.
>Remember not to actually mail it. Lock it in your desk or locker when it will be out of your sight.

If you ever need it, it’s just a quick zip-pull away. If your employer should suddenly out of the blue decide to search everyone’s belongings, it just looks like you’re going to mail a package after work. They cannot open your mail.

Your assertion is WRONG! Until a package is in the postal system, it is simply a box. If your state allows employer searches of belongings, your suggestion is not going to stop them. I would think the intent to decieve would result in a harsher penalty if discovered. Not to mention any of the myriad USPS regulations you could be violating.

[Citizen_soldier22]

...intent to decieve...
You're really stretching it here. Also, do you really think that a mislabeled box is going to be anyone's priority after a situation occurs which merits the use of a handgun for self defense?

the myriad USPS regulations you could be violating
Grabbing at straws here. Please state some of these regulations the poster would be in violation of. While you're at it, care to explain why he would be in any violation of any USPS regulation if it is indeed "simply a box" as you stated? It's not in the postal system yet, remember.