As I understand, the first Gun Control


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Texshooter
January 3, 2013, 11:59 AM
efforts in the U.S. were after the War Between the States. The purpose was to prevent recently freed slaves from owning weapons.

If this is so, then by extension, does that not make anti 2nd people actually-


RACISTS? Hmmmmmmm.

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Skribs
January 3, 2013, 12:07 PM
Was this before or after restricting Native American use?

BigG
January 3, 2013, 12:30 PM
I thought the British soldiers told the colonists "lay down your arms" and then the shooting started. Look up Bunker Hill, Boston Massacre, and others.

Texshooter
January 3, 2013, 12:32 PM
But they were not Americans, they were foreign invaders AFAIAC.

Skribs
January 3, 2013, 12:48 PM
Well we were still part of Britain at that time. They weren't invaders, they were our rulers and we rebelled against them.

morcey2
January 3, 2013, 12:52 PM
I have a link to a very good article on my computer at home that I'll post as soon as I get there. The article covers the history of gun control, especially handgun control, in the US. Most of the laws from the late 1800's into the early 1900's were aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of the lower-class and undesirables. Many of them effectively banned cheap handguns so that those with money (and power) could have them, but those without couldn't own them. Much of it was racially motivated.

Along with that, the may-issue nature of many concealed carry permits for so long was used by government agencies to keep whole sections of society vulnerable to either crime (if they obeyed the law and were unarmed) or prosecution as criminals (if the carried anyway to defend themselves.) In my opinion, the shall-issue concealed firearms permit is the great equalizer in this society. The next step is a return to constitutional carry. No permit needed.

On the Red-coats/colonists thing, we were British citizens at the time, albeit lower-class citizens.

Matt

CoRoMo
January 3, 2013, 12:54 PM
Look up General Gage.

He was the first gun-grabber; April 1775.

AlexanderA
January 3, 2013, 01:11 PM
Don't forget the pre-Civil War "slave codes" in the South that strictly prohibited the possession of guns by slaves and free blacks. Any slave owner that lent guns to slaves (or taught them to read and write) was himself subject to severe penalties.

All the early efforts at gun control were mostly about "control" and not really about guns per se. The idea was to arm the ruling classes and disarm the ruled classes. Today, this same idea is at work in the case of wealthy antigunners (Hollywood glitterati, politicians, etc.) who can afford to hire armed guards for themselves. They are the "worthy" ones while the ordinary citizens are "unworthy." Hypocrisy and elitism run rampant.

M-Cameron
January 3, 2013, 03:31 PM
I have a link to a very good article on my computer at home that I'll post as soon as I get there. The article covers the history of gun control, especially handgun control, in the US. Most of the laws from the late 1800's into the early 1900's were aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of the lower-class and undesirables. Many of them effectively banned cheap handguns so that those with money (and power) could have them, but those without couldn't own them. Much of it was racially motivated.

a lot of the current laws are still aimed at keeping guns out of the lower class....

look at the laws on "gun melting point"....that ban firearms that melt below a certain temperature.....guns like the hi-point. then there are also the laws against "Saturday night specials" and "throwaway guns"......

many less fortunate people cannot afford a $500+ pistol......but a $150 hipoint is a serviceable weapon at an affordable cost.....but as we all know, only the elite class has a right to self protection.

slidemuzik
January 3, 2013, 10:39 PM
efforts in the U.S. were after the War Between the States...

Many believe it is more accurate to refer to it as the War of Northern Aggression.

morcey2
January 3, 2013, 11:00 PM
Many believe it is more accurate to refer to it as the War of Northern Aggression.
Only on Tuesdays. :)

I can't find the article yet. Still looking.

Solo
January 4, 2013, 03:29 AM
Many believe it is more accurate to refer to it as the War of Northern Aggression.
I have been known to use the term "War of Southern Treason" myself.

Ragnar Danneskjold
January 4, 2013, 03:40 AM
Originally Posted by Texshooter
efforts in the U.S. were after the War Between the States...
Originally Posted by slidemuzik
Many believe it is more accurate to refer to it as the War of Northern Aggression.

Well then it's a pretty good thing that has absolutely nothing to do with anything, guns in particular, and isn't really a topic of discussion on THR :)

Baba Louie
January 4, 2013, 09:18 AM
In Nathaniel Philbrick's book Mayflower, he does discuss the fact that the colonists were not to allow weapons into the hands of the Natives. Hmmm. Imagine that.

Perhaps not codified into law, but certainly a form of gun control.

Most of his book deals with the aftermath known as King Phillips War, a bloody repercussion of settlement and angry armed Natives. So maybe it was a good idea, or maybe just a foreshadowing of future events.

Or maybe it is simply "human nature". Keep control of the underlings so they will do "us" no harm whilst we do what we will? Hmmm Imagine that.

Repercussions. More "human nature" at work.

slidemuzik
January 4, 2013, 10:13 AM
Well then it's a pretty good thing that has absolutely nothing to do with anything, guns in particular, and isn't really a topic of discussion on THR :)

Sorry. I'm noticing that PC, history, and sarcasm don't mix well here. I'm still adjusting to the THR neighborhood. My bad.

My point was history has to be fully understood to avoid repeating conflicts.

JohnBT
January 4, 2013, 10:41 AM
"I have been known to use the term "War of Southern Treason" myself."

And yet the concept of one or more states leaving the United States was accepted well prior to the Civil War.

Google the Hartford Convention of 1814-1815. Some of those New England folks wanted to leave the Union because they were angry at the president for the War of 1812 and his trade policies.

medalguy
January 4, 2013, 06:33 PM
Actually somewhat back on topic, this is one reason we here in Texas can't open carry. The "Jim Crow" laws passed during reconstruction prevented the open carry of pistols, and that's STILL on the books today. Hopefully this session we can get it repealed.

Prophet
January 19, 2013, 09:27 PM
I've encountered a few arguments for the Founders having instituted a firearm registry of sorts during the Revolution from a few of those folks who wholly believe that the 2A applies to the militia and not to individual citizens. I haven't found any sources, it appears only to be conjecture. However, I'd like to know if there is any information pointing to the possibility of the Founders instituting a gun registry for private citizens before I am confronted with sources and have no means to defend my argument.

Edit; such as arguments concerning the Militia Act of 1792 found in this article by CBS;
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504383_162-5258192-504383.html

sidheshooter
January 19, 2013, 09:40 PM
I'm reading a book called "living with guns" by Craig Whitney right now, and he has some sources noting gun control in colonial times, on both sides of the equation, e.g. Massachusetts requiring all free adult males to own arms, powder and bullets. On the other hand, in addition to native Americans, there were plenty of prohibitions: In New England; Roman Catholics, indentured servants, slaves, non-property owning whites, and any others who refused to swear allegiance to the government. Sounds like gun control to me, and sounds like not much has changed. Meet the new boss, same as the colonial boss.

The difference now of course being DC v. Heller.

Prophet
January 19, 2013, 09:56 PM
Wow. I already have so many books on the go that I barely have time to read... eugenicists, black liberation theologists, and I'm getting ready to read a book by Saul Alinsky... now I want to read the book that you're reading. My inspiration for this inquiry came from trying to determine how our fight for firearms rights parallels with the rights of blacks to defend themselves following the Nat Turner rebellion, Jim Crow laws and the Mulford Act. Now I find myself asking the question, "what really WAS the first GC in the United States and was it utilized for good or for bad in each instance?" Anyone got any "History of US Gun Control" books that go all the way back to our inception, or know of any such books that exist?

joeschmoe
January 19, 2013, 10:06 PM
Before and after the Revolution there were laws forbiding slaves to be armed, or learning to read.
Giving them arms or teaching them to read was forbidden to whites.

Prophet
January 19, 2013, 11:34 PM
I'm looking for more "blanket" style regulations than those applying to one or another group. Did the founders really register all of the weapons in the colonies at the time of the Revolution? If so I would imagine that it would have been for the purpose of accounting arms as means of military logistics rather than under the guise of fighting violent crime.

BHP FAN
January 20, 2013, 04:43 AM
They may have given numbers to muskets painted on the stock for inventory of an armory [like the British] but far more people lived rurally a nd kept those guns at home, and I would be surprised if any or all ever got counted out in the sticks.

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