New York State Ban - We need your help as well as other states


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1stmarine
January 3, 2013, 02:57 PM
In NYS we are screwed. They are trying to shutdown the firearms industry...
http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S1422-2013

We have several options:
- Comply
- Flee
- Resist

What happens here might well determine what happens in many other states or nationwide so we need your help.
I wrote all representatives. Donated all my Christmas money to the NRA, Scope and other organizations.
As we speak I am drafting a letter to Time Warner Cable to inform them that if they do not cover this subject
objectively I am dropping their cable contract. This is a simple step all pro-constitution people can take and more
actions are coming to put huge financial and social pressure in a system that is broken. Should the check and balances
fail the people will not fail. We will not let this happen.

Even from other states please help us with your support. Call or write NYS senators and let them know that you are watching what is happening to liberty in one of our states and you are a supported of the constitution and the 2nd amendment.

I contacting representatives in IL too to let them know we are united. States will not be separated to be hunt one by one by a pack of wolves.

Thanks.

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AJAX22
January 3, 2013, 03:03 PM
Most of the NYS firearm activism is (If I recall correctly) coordinated through the second amendment foundation, and the legal work is headed up by David Jensen.

I don't know if the NRA will be leading the charge on this one.

(I was a NYC resident and scope member while I was in college)

Keep fighting the good fight, someone has to hold the line.

Carpedium
January 3, 2013, 03:11 PM
Thank you for posting. I will be calling my representatives.

1stmarine
January 3, 2013, 03:19 PM
SIMPLE CONCRETE IDEAS:

1 - Write your cable companies and give them 3 days to see some objective broadcasting on these fundamental issues that might well define the future of this nation and therefore even their own corporations. The federal ban has not been properly covered. All they have done is help radical politicians with radical agendas using the tragic and sad events after the shootings to exploit the fears of a brainless population.
They can decide if they want to continue the media circus that favors only the radicals. I will cancel my contract along with hundreds or thousands of other New Yorkers. We do not watch TV that much and the kids will enjoy netfix anyway w/o any of the corrupted news.
I will cancel my cable. This has gone too far. I like sports from time to time but I like my liberty a lot more.

2 - Whoever has a flag in their yard please feel free to raise it upside down.
I hate to do that but this is acceptable as a distress call so by any means this should not be considered disrespectful to the flag.
Work on a banner too. Let the others know about the huge assault on freedom and national security by NYS radical politicians.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/12/18/us/FLAG-1/FLAG-1-articleLarge.jpg

We are in distress and we need help!!!
Thanks for your support.

OpelBlitz
January 3, 2013, 03:36 PM
We feel your pain, brother. As you can see, those of us in IL are also under attack. I hope you guys get out of this.

bobbo
January 3, 2013, 04:04 PM
Let's see what it does...

1) Makes guns with ONE feature an Assault Weapons.
2) Makes pre-ban anything. That means NO mags over 10 rounds AT ALL. That means the AR from 1996 is NOW ILLEGAL
3) Adds pump rifles the same as semi-auto rifles in terms if being an "assault weapon" with the necessary features.
4) Jacks up the penalties from a class D felony to a class B felony for possession. That takes the maximum punishment from seven to 25 years.
5) Eliminates most of the banned features... bayonet lugs, flash hiders, threaded barrels and grenade launchers are NOW allowed -- but barrel shrouds and muzzle brakes were added.

Good thing I'm not an AR guy with a big investment in pre-ban mags... I would be PISSED right now.

Fun Fact of the Day: A class D felony (the current for a folded piece of metal and a spring) is the same as selling 15.9 ounces of marijuana to a cop. Selling a cop a tractor-trailer load of marijuana is a class C felony.

I was worried they were going to go for a 6+1 cap, go after fixed-mag guns (including SKS, Garand, etc.). and make all semi-autos illegal (my 10/22 with 4 factory 10-round mags alone would have made me a 5x felon, plus a couple for my SMLE). Better than I thought we were going to see, but still not acceptable.

1stmarine
January 3, 2013, 04:18 PM
I am calling IL representatives too. We are writing to them from all over. Just to let them know the country is watching. We will not be subjects to this draconian laws. If they want to arrest someone they can start with thousands on day one because people are not going to destroy their firearms nor give up their rights.
This is unconstitutional in so many points.

1stmarine
January 3, 2013, 04:19 PM
Some interesting facts...

http://nation.foxnews.com/gun-rights/2013/01/03/fbi-more-people-killed-hammers-clubs-each-year-rifles

MilsurpShooter
January 3, 2013, 05:45 PM
I was more concerned with the fact that it would be illegal for anyone to own 10 or more firearms. Unless I read that wrong? Legalese has never been my strong suit.


S 265.04 Criminal possession of a weapon in the first degree.
A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the first
degree when such person:

(1) possesses any explosive substance with intent to use the same
unlawfully against the person or property of another; or
(2) possesses ten or more firearms; OR
(3) POSSESSES AN ASSAULT WEAPON; OR
(4) POSSESSES A LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE.
Criminal possession of a weapon in the first degree is a class B felony.

1stmarine
January 3, 2013, 06:47 PM
When you read the ban it is obvious that is about to disarm the population.
Almost everything will be rendered illegal. This is happening in many states.
The vicious attacks on the constitution will not stop here, they will continue with the help of the sensationalist media and the liberals with the radicals ideals.
Some democrats are opposing to these measures because this is not about politics here, this is about the need for control at any cost. At the cost of crucifying the constitution.

So do me a favor. After you are done venting please write or call these goons even if you are out of state. We will do the same for your state when they come there and we will be in Washington to fight the Federal Ban as well.

In the mean time while all this non-sense is going on, our kids have to continue to go to the school in Officially designated Criminal Safe heaven areas.

bubbameat
January 3, 2013, 08:05 PM
I think we may need two nations.

1stmarine
January 3, 2013, 11:27 PM
MY LETTER TO TIME WARNER CABLE.

(Remember if you do the same, you will see an impact)

Dear Mr.xxxx
I am writing to you in a matter that I consider of extreme importance and great concern.
Like many citizens and parents I am horrified about the senseless murders of little innocent children and
other citizens in school shootings. I think we had enough of this and everyone knows that something
needs to be done by putting political ideas aside and work as one.

But the series of events that followed the shootings and how the media has been managing the news
is very disturbing.

The media fueled by a national hysteria has been using the airwaves and the internet to misinform the
public about the facts and, by rejecting precious opportunities for dialogue, ideas and cooperation has
been directly or indirectly helping political groups with radical agendas for disarmament of the
population to push their agendas.

Please let me remind you that the role of the broadcaster is to inform, to enlighten and to educate and
not to accuse, persecute or confuse the public about issues that are of extreme importance to the future
of our nation.

The line between investigating and accusing is a very fine one and the news channels all over the country
have been steeping over it continuously.
The media has been using its privileged position to confuse the public mind about the dangers of firearms
enthusiasts referring to honest hard working citizens almost as outlaws, portrait-ed as a lower class,
maybe less educated.

I don't have to remind you of the importance of our constitution including the right to free speech and the right
to bear arms and defend ourselves. The media has been very quiet about the potential benefits of properly
educated firearms owners and what they can contribute to resolve the existing security problems.

I have been very surprised about the lack of healthy, well moderated debate on radio and television as well as
the absence of factual data that the news channels should rely on.

Therefore I have decided to request the cancellation of my contract with your company. Logically and ethically
I cannot continue to support any corporations that are part of the broadcasting networks that use the resources
funded by consumers who are regular citizens like me and to support political agendas to further exploit the
fears of a confused and sensitive population.

Once I see that authentic broadcasting has returned to the airwaves I might consider to resume the services
with your company. In the mean time the TV is nothing but a box w/o any meaning to me.

Sincerely yours.
Mr. xxxxx

Carpedium
January 4, 2013, 08:53 AM
My comment was removed from the bottom of the bill webpage. The "discuss" area. It was not vulgar and was on topic. Has anyone else tried to post there?

Ryanxia
January 4, 2013, 10:24 AM
I've written my representatives several times each and donated more to the NRA-ILA fund.
I'll try to write your reps as well to let them know we are monitoring the situation and will donate money to whichever legislators uphold our Rights.

Ryanxia
January 4, 2013, 10:26 AM
Also, this seems like a decent group being created. Might want to see if they are doing anything to help.

National Coalition
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=693212

Carpedium
January 4, 2013, 11:43 AM
I just spoke to my State Senator, Joe Robach. We spent a while on the phone and he is firmly in my corner when it comes to gun control and the second amendment. He firmly believes that this is a good vs. evil thing, mental health, etc. He says that he believes that this legislation will not pass the state senate.

Left my contact information with the assemblyman's office. Will post when I get through over there.

1stmarine
January 4, 2013, 11:51 AM
Many thanks!!!!! I also wrote Robach and talked to him before. He is pro-liberty so we need more like him. I would not relax on this one.
I am going to put a list of News editors here and broadcasters to see if we can get them to listen and start covering the news with objective to the point data.

In the mean time drop your cable company. Let them know why. We cannot be complacent. We are at the next level now. We need to put some meaningful social and economic pressure. What everyone does here might well determine the future of this country and the liberty we have enjoyed for generations.

Carpedium
January 4, 2013, 12:02 PM
News contact info is a great start. I don't watch the news, or have cable, (cut the cord a while ago, get news info from RSS feeds, etc.) but I can imagine it's pretty bad by now.

1stmarine
January 5, 2013, 03:26 PM
Very nice letters. Thank you guys.
We are also putting a list of measures that are really the next level.
A) Drop the cable connection and send the letters. This should be done nationally to get their attention.
B) We are getting people to stop state gambling. No one more cent to those states that are trying to rape the constitutional rights.
C) Massive mail and email to corporations sponsoring those radical news channels, organizations or anyone trying to destroy the republic.
No one more dollar to them.

Direct meaningful social and economic pressure. Pro-liberty and Pro-gun citizens have a lot of leverage. Their votes might be ignored
but they dollars will not be ignored.

More will come..

JUST DO IT!

Cooldill
January 5, 2013, 04:18 PM
We must all stand together and show these politicians they can't do whatever they want.

Rob0321
January 5, 2013, 04:44 PM
Section 5 here has me quite concerned. Is it blatantly saying that owning more than three firearms is considered criminal possession?




S 265.02 Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree.
A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the third
degree when:

(1) Such person commits the crime of criminal possession of a weapon
in the fourth degree as defined in subdivision one, two, three or five
of section 265.01, and has been previously convicted of any crime; or
(2) Such person possesses any explosive or incendiary bomb, bombshell,
firearm silencer, machine-gun or any other firearm or weapon simulating
a machine-gun and which is adaptable for such use; or
(3) Such person knowingly possesses a machine-gun, firearm, rifle or
shotgun which has been defaced for the purpose of concealment or
prevention of the detection of a crime or misrepresenting the identity
of such machine-gun, firearm, rifle or shotgun; or
(5) (i) Such person possesses three or more firearms; or (ii) such
person possesses a firearm and has been previously convicted of a felony
or a class A misdemeanor defined in this chapter within the five years
immediately preceding the commission of the offense and such possession
did not take place in the person's home or place of business; or
(6) Such person knowingly possesses any disguised gun[; or
(7) Such person possesses an assault weapon; or
(8) Such person possesses a large capacity ammunition feeding device].
Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree is a class D felo
ny.

1stmarine
January 5, 2013, 04:59 PM
I think is carrying 3 guns at the same time. I don't think that this is going to stop the 3 gun competitions because it would be an illegal law.
These draconian laws have only one purpose: to disarm the population.
It is not about gun control. It is about plain and simple control.

All the readers need to do this:
- Drop your cable company and send them the letter above.
- Stop gambling state lotto or any other source of income for the state that is being used to later feed and enforce these radical agendas.
- Write any companies that support anti-freedom anti-gun laws or advertise in the news channels that use their position to exploit the fears of the brainless population to further their radical agendas for disarmament.
- Call and write all the senators every day if you can or several times / week.

Convince others to do the same and those to convince others to do the same.
Do it. Have discipline, show solidarity and fight for your rights.
You will see results.

Some wonder what SHTF is, well this might well be the beginning of the SHTF so lets do everything in our power to stop this nonsense before it gets worse.

AABEN
January 5, 2013, 05:01 PM
WE will take them. Send them to IN to build there guns. We like for are people to have good jobs. We have I64 and I69 here in SW IN a good place to ship from about middle of the 48 states. Also to meager rail roads N&S - E&W also river barges on the OHIO

1stmarine
January 5, 2013, 09:45 PM
I know that is a good place no doubt. But the key is to resist here to the end. If we give up then how many times can we move. We need to show these anti-liberty anti-gun anti-everything goons that we are here, we are many and we are going to support each other.
Whatever it takes.

Carpedium
January 5, 2013, 09:48 PM
I got a few more people to schedule meetings with reps

22250Rem
January 5, 2013, 10:41 PM
I'm also in Joe Robach's district and he's a pretty good guy but I'm gonna stop by his local office in the near future and give the office some feedback and get some more information on the latest developments. If this crap ever got passed I'd be an instant criminal even though I have a clean record and have had a NYS pistol permit since 1974. If I ever become an instant criminal my only consolation will be that I know I'll have lots of company because I know a lot of folks in the same boat as I am. If these people want draconian gun laws let them move down to NY City.

1stmarine
January 5, 2013, 11:09 PM
We are discussing here in the local forums and organizations that people in the state are not going to comply should this ever pass. Many LEO's have expressed that they will not enforce these type of law. The first huge issue is that this proposal violates a few other constitutional rights so this will hit the supreme court in no time.
Many citizens and specially the political class need to take some time aside to read the constitution in fully and with an open mind.

1stmarine
January 6, 2013, 10:47 PM
I am taking this note from the local forum in case others can help with the situation we have here in Newyorkistan.

SCOPE (Shooters Committee on Political Education ... http://scopeny.org/) is sending this Alert to put all firearm owners on notice that the time to act is now. New York State has positioned itself to pass the most draconian gun laws in the nation. Governor Cuomo is pressing hard to push these bills through. Without a majority in the State Senate to block these measures; their passage is a very real possibility.
We are asking all members to forward all SCOPE communications to concerned citizens on their contact lists and ask them to contact their legislators. Time is short and the consequences of inaction are unacceptable.
These bills, with the Governor pushing for confiscation or a permit system for Modern Sporting Rifles, represent the biggest threats we have faced since 1968. You cannot relax if you do not own one of these rifles because they will divide and separate. Your firearms are next of their list if they succeed here.
SCOPE’S leadership, while representing thousands of firearm owners through individual memberships and clubs, cannot fight this battle alone. This is your call to action. Your participation is no guarantee that we will win this important fight to protect your Constitutional rights but we can say with certainty that anything short of overwhelming our legislators with calls, emails and letters we have virtually no chance. Truth is the only thing that really motivates most legislators is their next election and by contacting your legislators and letting them know that your vote depends on their support is crucial.
We are doing everything within our power to defend your rights, but remember we are an all-volunteer group and we need you to join us in these efforts.

Here is the ACTION PLAN

Forward this to your friends contacts and associates. Spread the word on Forums like NY Firearms with 6600 members or USA Carry with 45000 members or AR15.com with their 11,000 members etc Share on Face book etc. Pass this to at least 10 people that you know and plan to make some phone calls on Monday and Tuesday!

The Governors State of the State Speech planned for Wednesday January 9 at 1:30 PM.
Gun Owners, their families, friends and supporters of the Constitution need to invest a few minutes of their time and make some phone calls.
On Monday and/or Tuesday of this week, prior to the State of the State Address,
Call the Governor’s Office (518) 474-8390– AND LEAVE THIS MESSAGE:
"I am a law abiding, tax paying, voting, citizen of New York State and I strongly urge you not to impose any further restrictions, laws or regulations on my Second Amendment Rights as granted by the United States Constitution".

Then you call Senate Leader Skelos and Klein and leave the same message.
Then you call Assembly Leader Silver and leave the same message.
Please make these phone call messages to our ELECTED representatives. If the trunk lines into the capital become overloaded with call volume then so be it......this is the goal. WE MUST BE HEARD.

While waiting, you can also access their respective web sites and voice your concern through email message. Write the same message as above or add your own but be civil.

All phone numbers and links are listed below.

Governor at (518) 474-8390, then click the link to leave a message Contact (http://www.governor.ny.gov/contact/GovernorContactForm.php)
Senate Majority Co Leader Dean Skelos (518) 455-3171
Dean G. Skelos | New York State Senate (http://www.nysenate.gov/senator/dean-g-skelos)
Senate Majority Co Leader Sen. Jeffrey Klein, D-Bronx 518-455-3595
Jeffrey D. Klein's Contact Information | New York State Senate (http://www.nysenate.gov/senator/jeffrey-d-klein/contact)
and Sheldon Silver 518-455-3791
New York State Assembly - Member Section (http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/Sheldon-Silver/contact/)
Make plans now to call on Monday or Tuesday!
You should also forward this to every gun owner you know. Make them call too! Notify you clubs and organizations.
WE MUST STAND TOGETHER!

Read this article so you can understand what the power structure is this term.

Call these IDC members which include: Senators Diane Savino, David Valesky, David Carlucci, and Malcolm Smith. Jeff Klein is in the lead. He's working with Skelos as co-majority leader of sorts. These five along with our Republican friends are gun owners only hope.

Senators Diane Savino Phone: (518) 455-2437 email (http://www.nysenate.gov/senator/diane-j-savino/contact)

Senator David Valesky Phone: (518)-455-2838 email (http://www.nysenate.gov/senator/david-j-valesky/contact)

Senator David Carlucci Phone: 518-455-2991 email (http://www.nysenate.gov/senator/david-carlucci/contact)

Senator Malcolm Smith Phone: (518) 455-2701 email (http://www.nysenate.gov/senator/malcolm-smith/contact)

Call your own Senator too. Use this tool (http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally/grassroots/write-your-reps.aspx) to find your Rep

Remember that the first phoney AWB we currently have was Introduced, Voted for and Signed in ONE DAY!

Carpedium
January 7, 2013, 07:19 PM
Reposted

mf-dif
January 7, 2013, 10:54 PM
Email list for convenience. Will support you guys as we've recently been under the hot seat in Illinois.

savino@senate.state.ny.us
valesky@senate.state.ny.us
carlucci@nysenate.gov
masmith@senate.state.ny.us

Carpedium
January 8, 2013, 09:36 AM
Additional Ideas from the NYS "Gun legislation Committee" released yesterday. Reposting from NYFirearms

Stronger Gun Laws: A Plan to Protect New Yorkers
Require Universal Background Checks on the Sale of all Guns

Require all gun sales, including sales between individuals, to go through a licensed firearmsdealer where a background check can be performed and proper records kept.

Require criminal background checks on all gun dealer employees handling guns.
Strengthen Assault Weapons Ban

Broaden the definition of assault weapon to ban any weapon that has one prohibitedcharacteristic rather than two as specified in current law. Include a provision for theSuperintendent of State Police to review new assault weapons and add them to a list of banned weapons if they meet statutory criteria. Currently New York City has such a ban.

Ban possession and sale

no grandfathering.
Strengthen High Capacity Ammunition Magazine Ban

Ban possession and sale of all high capacity ammunition magazines over 10 bullets.
Microstamping Legislation to Help Law Enforcement Solve Gun Crimes

Require all semi-automatic handguns

sold or delivered in New York to be equipped with anew technology that imprints a unique code onto the shell casings every time a gun is fired,so that guns can be traced from shell casings found at crime scenes.

Require Gun Licenses to be Renewed Every 5 Years


Require 5-year renewable licenses for all those owning handguns. Currently licenses areonly required to be renewed in New York City, on Long Island and in Westchester.
Improve Gun Dealer Regulations


Require gun dealers to have stringent recordkeeping, submit inventory to law enforcement,store firearms safely, and report lost or stolen firearms.
Regulate Ammunition Sales


Require background checks or showing of a permit on all ammunition sales. Look into typesof ammunition sold if one does not have a handgun permit.
One Gun a Month

Limit people to the purchase of no more than one handgun a month.

Link: http://www.scribd.com/doc/119338805/NYS-Gun-Legislation-Coalition-January-2013-Update

Colt Smith
January 8, 2013, 11:17 AM
this is the whole email I got from SCOPE. It has contact names, phone numbers and emails. Let's get busy. This one is real. As will they all from now on.


NEW YORK FIREARMS BAN!

SCOPE is sending this Alert to put all firearm owners on notice that the time to act is now. New York State has positioned itself to pass the most draconian gun laws in the nation. Governor Cuomo is pressing hard to push these bills through. Without a majority in the State Senate to block these measures; their passage is a very real possibility.
We are asking all members to forward all SCOPE communications to concerned citizens on their contact lists and ask them to contact their legislators. Time is short and the consequences of inaction are unacceptable.
These bills, with the Governor pushing for confiscation or a permit system for Modern Sporting Rifles, represent the biggest threats we have faced since 1968. You cannot relax if you do not own one of these rifles because they will divide and separate. Your firearms are next of their list if they succeed here.
SCOPE’S leadership, while representing thousands of firearm owners through individual memberships and clubs, cannot fight this battle alone. This is your call to action. Your participation is no guarantee that we will win this important fight to protect your Constitutional rights but we can say with certainty that anything short of overwhelming our legislators with calls, emails and letters we have virtually no chance. Truth is the only thing that really motivates most legislators is their next election and by contacting your legislators and letting them know that your vote depends on their support is crucial.
We are doing everything within our power to defend your rights, but remember we are an all-volunteer group and we need you to join us in these efforts.

Here is the ACTION PLAN

Forward this to your friends contacts and associates. Spread the word on Forums like NY Firearms with 6600 members or USA Carry with 45000 members or AR15.com with their 11,000 members etc Share on Face book etc. Pass this to at least 10 people that you know and plan to make some phone calls on Monday and Tuesday!

The Governors State of the State Speech planned for Wednesday January 9 at 1:30 PM.
Gun Owners, their families, friends and supporters of the Constitution need to invest a few minutes of their time and make some phone calls.
On Monday and/or Tuesday of this week, prior to the State of the State Address,
Call the Governor’s Office (518) 474-8390– AND LEAVE THIS MESSAGE:
"I am a law abiding, tax paying, voting, citizen of New York State and I strongly urge you not to impose any further restrictions, laws or regulations on my Second Amendment Rights as granted by the United States Constitution".

Then you call Senate Leader Skelos and Klein and leave the same message.
Then you call Assembly Leader Silver and leave the same message.
Please make these phone call messages to our ELECTED representatives. If the trunk lines into the capital become overloaded with call volume then so be it......this is the goal. WE MUST BE HEARD.

While waiting, you can also access their respective web sites and voice your concern through email message. Write the same message as above or add your own but be civil.

All phone numbers and links are listed below.

Governor at (518) 474-8390, then click the link to leave a message http://www.governor.ny.gov/contact/GovernorContactForm.php
Senate Majority Co Leader Dean Skelos (518) 455-3171
http://www.nysenate.gov/senator/dean-g-skelos
Senate Majority Co Leader Sen. Jeffrey Klein, D-Bronx 518-455-3595
http://www.nysenate.gov/senator/jeffrey-d-klein/contact
and Sheldon Silver 518-455-3791
http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/Sheldon-Silver/contact/
Make plans now to call on Monday or Tuesday!
You should also forward this to every gun owner you know. Make them call too! Notify you clubs and organizations.
WE MUST STAND TOGETHER!

Read this article so you can understand what the power structure is this term.

Call these IDC members which include: Senators Diane Savino, David Valesky, David Carlucci, and Malcolm Smith. Jeff Klein is in the lead. He's working with Skelos as co-majority leader of sorts. These five along with our Republican friends are gun owners only hope.

Senators Diane Savino Phone: (518) 455-2437 Email

Senator David Valesky Phone: (518)-455-2838 Email

Senator David Carlucci Phone: 518-455-2991 Email

Senator Malcolm Smith Phone: (518) 455-2701 Email

Call your own Senator too. Use this tool to find your Rep

Remember that the first phoney AWB we currently have was Introduced, Voted for and Signed in ONE DAY!



Three Anti Gun Protesters stood in the cold outside of the Gander Mountain Store in Henrietta. We are asking you to make calls - email your reps and spread the word from the comfort of your own soon to be defenseless home.





Shooters Committee on Political Education (SCOPE), P.O. Box 602 - Tonawanda, NY. 14151-0602
www.scopeny.org

1stmarine
January 8, 2013, 05:54 PM
Thanks Colt Smith.
Yes today and tomorrow are key to keep those lines and emails smoking.
WE need to stop these radical agendas for the disarmament of the population.

Tempest 455
January 8, 2013, 07:30 PM
This is insane!

DukeNukem
January 8, 2013, 07:40 PM
Not looking good.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/01/08/exclusive-cuomo-close-to-announcing-sweeping-new-gun-control-laws/

1stmarine
January 9, 2013, 12:12 AM
If it wasn't for that "little thing" called the constitution that always gets in the way...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5HeoxAmmxnI

Carpedium
January 9, 2013, 02:00 AM
Can't sleep. This is BS.

Knife_Sniper
January 9, 2013, 12:02 PM
I called as an out of stater and reminded them that I would be supporting organizations that would aim to sue the state of NY for impinging on rights as directed by DC vs Heller.

Jaxondog
January 9, 2013, 03:36 PM
I think we may need two nations.
Now that's an Idea, but i'm not moving if I'm on the line. lol

MR2Aaron
January 9, 2013, 03:38 PM
I'm curious as to why 1stmarine thinks dropping one's cable service would make any difference. First, not every cable company has a hand in producing news coverage, and second, even those that do, such as Time-Warner, are vast conglomerates, where the folks who produce TV news coverage don't even communicate directly with the local cable service folks.

I certainly wouldn't put dropping my cable service and sending them a letter in even the top ten things I'd need to do to oppose legislation like this, although for the record, I do live in Texas, and I may just not be aware of what the connection is, in New York.

92Sunburst
January 9, 2013, 08:19 PM
Just emailed all the NY Senators. Don't know if it will help, but I'll do whatever I can.

1stmarine
January 10, 2013, 12:24 AM
Thanks mates. We have to keep doing this.

The proposed measures in the State of the State might be passed as soon as possible. So we need to keep those lines on fire and keep doing this for the rest of the nation with the feinstein idiotic proposals.
The ARs and the AKs being restricted are not going to make anyone safer other than the criminals themselves. But simple logic is no in the politicians book. They follow the media and how look they look on TV only.

Some vicious forces are at play here. You need to understand there are senators and congressman out there that have wet dreams about shooting down the entire firearms business and disarming the population for good. If it was for them they would disarm even the police and even branches of the military.

They are out of control and they will stop at nothing but they understimate the power of the people when fundamental rights are at stake.

I have been thinking. I believe strict bans will temper with a few realities.

1. Serious gun owners will not be disarmed.
2. There is a difference between politicians making political noise and real
activists. When the media fuel reduces the politicians will follow the
media.
3. Prohibition is likely. It will force the industry underground and then
they will have huge problems to deal with.
4. The protect needed is primarily form Gov't. Gov't is scared of the
population. They underestimate the blow back on this issue and will lose
eventually.
5. There will be a true resistance. Resistance has many levels and the financial pressures are the ones that will be felt the most.

To fuel the debate is what the media wants. If the issue goes silent and then the politicians realize there is no political gain and separately no support,
the issues will subside.

ThorinNNY
January 10, 2013, 05:15 PM
Have you seen S805-2013? If passed:
NYS gunowners will be charged $ 15.00 per gun registered. Yep you have to register your guns and are given the privelege of financing the machinery New York State will use to eventually confiscate your guns.

vossman
January 10, 2013, 05:31 PM
This is amazingly rediculous. Who thinks of this?

"Requires all semi automatic handguns sold or delivered in New York to be equipped with anew technology that imprints a unique code onto the shell casings every time a gun is fired,so that guns can be traced from shell casings found at crime scenes."

1stmarine
January 10, 2013, 10:45 PM
So keep writing and those lines on fire. At the moment it looks that with
the peoples support the parties are going to do some rethinking but this
is far from over.
I think Microstamping is a bargaining chip to screw us in some other one.
But I also think Cuomo is loosing momentum and the people are speaking.

My mother used to say...

Be careful when you ram, because if you try to ram too hard you might
end up ramming into your own azz.

Thanks. Keep writing. Keep calling. We don't take a break.

1stmarine
January 10, 2013, 10:55 PM
BTW, in the WSJ today...

http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324081704578234010962821032.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop&mg=reno64-wsj

Carpedium
January 11, 2013, 12:46 PM
good article

1stmarine
January 12, 2013, 12:18 PM
Piers rhetoric and lies exposed by Shapiro...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/11/Shapiro-on-CNN-Marks-Turning-Point-in-Gun-Debate

COMPLETE VIDEO. THE ONE CNN DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SEE...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LJdhAm_oUUs

Atbat82
January 12, 2013, 12:58 PM
Shapiro did a good job, except when he engaged Piers on the whole "why do you new an AR-15?" Question.

This is about needs. It's about rights. The burden is on the government to demonstrate why they "need" to curtail our rights. They've have failed to provide any evidence that banning these weapons would make us safer, thus they have failed to establish a need.


Sent from my iPhone

browneu
January 12, 2013, 01:15 PM
Shapiro did a good job, except when he engaged Piers on the whole "why do you new an AR-15?" Question.

This is about needs. It's about rights. The burden is on the government to demonstrate why they "need" to curtail our rights. They've have failed to provide any evidence that banning these weapons would make us safer, thus they have failed to establish a need.


Sent from my iPhone

Excellent point.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

vossman
January 12, 2013, 04:14 PM
Good video, thx

1stmarine
January 12, 2013, 09:59 PM
In the end he was clear that the firearm is there not just to defend your home for an invasion but as granted by the constitution to defend the citizens from a tyrannic government. I would have referred to Hugo Chavez that was elected by the people in Venezuela and look at their constitution and rights now... gone!
He disarmed the people and then rearm the elite of his party. So in the end is all the same, wolves dressed like ship.

1stmarine
January 13, 2013, 10:11 PM
ALERT NY STATE!!!!
===============

Sen. Dean Skelos intends to capitulate to Gov. Cuomo’s anti-gun agenda and proposed legislation. This may happen as soon as Monday 1/14 in a rushed attempt to get this legislation passed prior to any pro second amendment opposition. We encourage all of supporters of the 2nd amedment to not take this issue lightly, do not put it off or give in. Fax and email Sen. Skelos office tonight AND call tomorrow morning to voice your opposition to ANY capitulation to this Gov. Cuomo’s legislation.

http://www.nysenate.gov/senator/dean-g-skelos/contact

parsimonious_instead
January 14, 2013, 12:37 PM
I called Sen Skelos' Office and said exactly this: "I'm opposed to all of these gun control measures. They will make the lives of legal gun owners and shooting enthusiasts miserable in NYS."

1stmarine
January 14, 2013, 01:10 PM
MANY Thanks!!

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1stmarine
January 14, 2013, 11:11 PM
http://www.scopeny.org/

BILL IS BEING PRINTED
Midnight Vote Planned

The new state legislation will:
* Limit ammunition clips to seven. It’s now 10 (Except Criminals)
* Force gun owners to renew their licenses every five years (Except Criminals)
* Stiffen penalties for using a gun in the commission of a crime
* Stiffen penalties for bringing a gun on school property
* New restrictions on the assault weapons already owned by New Yorkers
We (gun owners) did what we could.

The Democrats and Governor Cuomo say to usLet them eat cake!

http://www.scopeny.org/midnight_vote.html

LET THEM EAT CAKE!

http://www.scopeny.org/images/LET_THEM_EAT_CAKE.png

NEW YORK GOVERNOR GETS HIS BILL AND BULLIES GUN OWNERS ACROSS THE STATE. He beats Obama to the punch. Now on to 2016.
This is a pure power grab by Cuomo, he wants to be the first one to pass a gun ban since New-Town. He will of course get national recognition and high fives from 0bama at the State of the Union address. All setting himself up for the presidential run in 2016.
VOTE Planned at Midnight!

1stmarine
January 14, 2013, 11:56 PM
I just called the office of senator Skelos another one leading the charge and told them this is unacceptable.

I told them this bill is irrational and irresponsible. This is not going to make any improvements in the security, it might make it worse if we learned something from the history of bans. They are making criminals of honest citizens that bought their firearms and gear with hard earned dollars and those purchases gave a good source of tax income to the state. Should this ever pass the ones who supported this they will see huge social and financial pressures like never before from the
defenders of the constitution and 2nd amendment.

Call Skelos office tonight! even if you are form other state it doesn't matter. Remember that cuomo wants to run for president in 2016.

518-455-3171

bubbameat
January 15, 2013, 12:16 AM
Someone needs to look him straight in the face and ask him how that legislation would have prevented Sandyhook.

Hamish
January 15, 2013, 12:25 AM
NY just took a vote, and the gun control bill passed 43-18. It still has to clear the senate and legal challenges, but we're off to a bad start. Let this be what keeps Cuomo from the presidency in 2016.

1stmarine
January 15, 2013, 01:16 AM
There is no one single proof that these bans make anyone any safer. In fact they make people less safe if we look at the statistics from the FBI and history of bans. More people die form assault with a simple hammer than from a long rifle. Those are the facts that anyone can verify but people are too lazy to even look them up. This is a political reaction to the masses that have been brainwashed by a sensationalist media w/o giving any opportunity for objective analysis of the situation and what is best for ny.
Now they will have to deal with the aftermath of this and it will not be pretty because thousands of honest hard working tax paying Americans that like the shooting sports are not going to accept being bullied anymore.

lobo9er
January 15, 2013, 01:23 AM
I am literally sick to my stomach I don't know what to say.

YANKEE2500
January 15, 2013, 01:28 AM
Glad I got the hell out of NY ten years ago, I lived there for 55+ years and had a carry permit for 28 of them and sure don't miss all the BS connected with firearms there.
I wish you guys the best.

1stmarine
January 15, 2013, 01:35 AM
So folks this goon wants to run in 2016. Heil Hitler!!

I salute the great state of Utah that has a strong stand and said should any federal bans tried to be enforced there they will arrest any federal agents trying to enforce anything and charge them.

Don't ever give up.

HEre we are going to give them hell. Huge boycotts to any supporters should be expected.

Evergreen
January 15, 2013, 04:03 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563976/n.y-state-about-to-get-first-post-newtown-gun-law/

Just read this very disturbing article about the Assault Weapon Ban being passed in the New York Senate. It appears there is no grandfather clause for all items that are being banned and owners of these items will be considered criminals by the government for possessing them if they are not sold to people out-of-state within a year.


Ammunition magazines would be restricted to seven bullets, from the current 10, and current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge.

This is absolutely horrible and it also makes me think with the current mentality of the Democrats and all other supporters of the gun ban, that there will be no grandfather clause, assuming everyone else follows the footsteps of the fascist Cuomo. My feelings are, that he will use the excuse of people possessing hi cap magazines to perform raids on people and arrests on people who he has beliefs

Considering, the government may have access to records of purchases of these magazines, he would have a long list of newly-made criminals who he can persecute and have arrested. Once these people are in the system, all their other gun rights will be jeopardized as well.

This is a horrible attack on the 2nd Amendment and the fascist Cuomo Mussolini should be tried for treason! I'm glad I don't live in New York now and I don't think I would comply with orders to surrender my magazines.


Sad to say, the first gun seizure is under way! I think something drastic is needed or else other states will follow through. Cuomo has stated many times he wants confiscation of all semi automatic firearms and I don't doubt for a minute that he will make a similar ban on semi auto rifles as he has done on what he calls "hi-cap/ 10rd magazines". By banning 10 rd magazines, he has basically made a good majority of semi automatic handguns no longer usable in the state of New York.

New Yorkers need to do something. The American people need to do something. This is an atrocity.

To quote Franklin D. Roosevelt after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, "This is a Date Which Will Live in Infamy".

Like the Japanese invasion, now America has been invaded internally by fascists who want to destroy our freedom.

Evergreen
January 15, 2013, 05:19 AM
It gets worse, New Yorkers will no longer be able to buy semi automatic rifles (anything classified as AW by NY gov't) online anymore. That means anybody in New York will no longer be able to sell or purchase a semi-automatic firearm online.

Private sales of assault weapons to someone other than an immediate family would be subject to a background check through a dealer. Also Internet sales of assault weapons would be banned, and failing to safely store a weapon could be subject to a misdemeanor charge.

Read more: NY seals 1st state gun laws since Newtown massacre - seattlepi.com (http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/article/NY-seals-1st-state-gun-laws-since-Newtown-massacre-4194149.php#ixzz2I29NnZ7R)e-4194149.php#ixzz2I29NnZ7R


Also, all private sales of semi-automatic rifles will be required to go through an FFL. Essentially, banning the private sales of semi-auto rifles.

farscott
January 15, 2013, 07:40 AM
Most of this legislation is bad, but the seven-round limit is horrible. Even full-size 1911 magazines fall afoul of this.

I wonder if this law (as it looks like it will be) can be overturned through the USSC based on the Heller and MacDonald decisions.

glennv
January 15, 2013, 08:40 AM
Did it pass through your house or the senate? What are the chances it makes it through both?

lobo9er
January 15, 2013, 08:42 AM
will this pass senate?

I hope not. It makes thousands of people criminals in one stroke of the pen.

Carl N. Brown
January 15, 2013, 08:44 AM
D.C. v Heller 554 U. S. (2008)
. . . .
Neither United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553, nor Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252, 264–265, refutes the individual-rights interpretation. United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174, does not limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes.
. . . .
... Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

Ten shot is a common and ordinary capacity for target pistols, which qualify as "in common use for lawful purposes" and can scarcely be typified as "dangerous and unusual". Of course guns are dangerous, but common firearms are not the "dangerous and unusual" i.e. "unusually dangerous" interpretation of the old "to the terror of the community" statutes.

And how the hades does New York reconcile the US Government Civilian Marksmanship Program with a ban on civilian ownership of military rifles?

Chevelle SS
January 15, 2013, 08:47 AM
wow...........

Pointshoot
January 15, 2013, 08:56 AM
Pull your heads out NY citizens. Its not about 'safety'. They want you disarmed, all of you. They always wanted you disarmed, and just took advantage of events to try to make it happen. (Events statistically less likely than being struck by lightening.)

Now its up to you gunowners there

As it'll be up to each of us in our own states

Would this happen in Texas, Montana, Idaho, or Wyoming ?

All the best to fellow 2A supporters in NY

alsaqr
January 15, 2013, 09:27 AM
After the expiration of the AWB gunowners in many states became complacent. Because of two massacres by mental cases, we are suddenly hit with a political/media blitz for more gun control. Gunowners/hunters in many states are no longer united in a common cause. That is evident from message boards where many gunowners are talking compromise on our Second Amendment rights.

i'm not sure that anyone from outside the state of NY can help NY gunowners.

Prophet
January 15, 2013, 09:47 AM
I wrote all of NY's senators a strong email that we in bordering PA will stand with you in resistance.

Molon Labe.

fdashes
January 15, 2013, 10:08 AM
Just a small observation in the new bill. NY citizens can take their high capacity magazines, that are so hated by the anti gun population, and supply them to the rest of the States but not keep them in their own. I really don't see the boarding States being too happy about this move. Not in my backyard but ok if we put it in yours.... how hypocritical

abajaj11
January 15, 2013, 10:14 AM
Join the NRA. Pressure NRA-ILA to take this NY law to the Supreme Court, where as of now, there is a good chance it will be overturned because of Heller, just as Chicago's crazy laws and DC's crazy laws were overturned.
Do it now to set a good precedent so that other States cannot set these laws anymore...do not wait for the composition of the Supreme Court to change.
Become a life member of the NRA and then you can vote.
Also, please join GOA and SAF.
:)
PS. And work diligently to get these clowns in the NY State legislature out of office, and to educate your kids on the Constitution and 2A so they never elect such clowns again.

Paladin7
January 15, 2013, 01:12 PM
Please call now!!!

The nys assembly is debating the bill now and are taking calls.

One staffer told me that they are taking the number of calls and updating their assemblymen on the floor real time.

Your calls are critical now.

Thanks!

mboylan
January 15, 2013, 02:17 PM
This probably will be passed and signed by Cuomo. Next step is to get an injunction ASAP. Several parts of this law will not hold up in court.

GlockFan
January 15, 2013, 02:39 PM
Good luck to you guys. It sounds bad...and this from a guy in Illinois! Hope we can stop this and but an end to this stupidity.

hso
January 15, 2013, 02:49 PM
Are they taking emails as well as calls and updating the legislators on those numbers?

Has it been pointed out that banning without grandfathering is confiscation since it is denial of property to existing owners.

steveracer
January 15, 2013, 02:55 PM
Ex Post Facto laws are against the NYS constitution. This would easily crumble under state court scrutiny. I will happily be the guinea pig. I maintain a NYS driver's license and my folks live there. I will load up all my 10 round mags and stick them on the dash and get pulled for speeding and see what happens. I'll be soliciting for defense funds shortly thereafter.

dom1104
January 15, 2013, 03:02 PM
Ex Post Facto laws are against the NYS constitution. This would easily crumble under state court scrutiny. I will happily be the guinea pig. I maintain a NYS driver's license and my folks live there. I will load up all my 10 round mags and stick them on the dash and get pulled for speeding and see what happens. I'll be soliciting for defense funds shortly thereafter.
Really? Or just for internet-funny?

steveracer
January 15, 2013, 03:04 PM
Really. Like, I already told my boss to expect my phone call about it.

gfanikf
January 15, 2013, 03:10 PM
Really. Like, I already told my boss to expect my phone call about it.
The only problem is the law isn't ex post facto. It would be ex post facto if it made it a crime to own them a year ago.

Evergreen
January 15, 2013, 05:24 PM
I am just wondering what will happen when the New York government starts trying to confiscate all the magazines that they believe are being illegally possessed. I personally fear there will potentially be bloodshed and violence. Some say any violence committed by people defending their property will be fuel for even more gun confiscations, although I myself, don't necessarily agree. I think the people who are now considered criminals are probably respectable people in their communities and their imprisonment or murder would not be looked on favorably.

All I know is, in theory, if I was a New Yorker and the government was knocking on my door and demanding I turn in all my magazines or risk imprisonment, I don't think I would comply.

All I can say is I am in shock and fear that this legislation can infect other states.

New Yorkers need to become very vigilant and organize themselves to fight these Unconstitutional laws.

mf-dif
January 15, 2013, 10:00 PM
This is a horrible blow to the constitutional rights to the citizens of New York. I hope this can be overturned by the SCOTUS.

dcarch
January 15, 2013, 10:33 PM
Praying for you folks.

the_skunk
January 15, 2013, 10:39 PM
They now record anyone that buys ammo ..... I would say the show is over for gun owners

Jim K
January 15, 2013, 10:44 PM
I like the section that allows the use of an assault weapon on a firing range if it has been rendered permanenty inoperable! Even if I favored that bill, I would have to say the idiot that wrote that should never be allowed to sit in any legislature.

Jim

dcarch
January 15, 2013, 10:45 PM
Time for y'all to get the heck out of that state. Wonder what Kimber and Remington are going to do?

1stmarine
January 15, 2013, 10:55 PM
The bill was printed at 11pm and voted on at 11:30pm. I am sure many didn't even read it and of course no hearings
were allowed. Totally unheard off.
Overnight they made criminals of honest citizens, security personnel, firefighters, law enforcement and other public servants.
Cuomo is not thinking about what is best for New York and is looking for the high fives from Obama at the state
of the union address. Cuomo 2016, God save us all !!

Sign up here. It takes a minute...

http://nysecond.org/

http://impeachandrewcuomo.com

Billy Shears
January 15, 2013, 11:06 PM
This is about needs. It's about rights. The burden is on the government to demonstrate why they "need" to curtail our rights. They've have failed to provide any evidence that banning these weapons would make us safer, thus they have failed to establish a need.
As far as Morgan and his side are concerned they did address it. When he rattled off the litany of mass shootings perpetrated with an AR-15, as far they are concerned, that alone establishes the need. Having asserted that the AR-15 is the mass murderer's weapon of choice, and further asserting that they can envision no self-defense scenario where an honest citizen would need that kind of firepower provides them all the justification they think they need. Never mind that you and I CAN envision scenarios where an honest citizen would need that much firepower, they can't, and no one has articulated such a case to them. (The argument that citizens might need such weapons against a government grown tyrannical one day was met, as you saw, with contempt and derision.) So Morgan and his ilk can sit back and smugly claim to support the 2nd amendment and the right of self-defense, while simultaneously claiming the ban of high capacity magazines and semi-automatic firearms as "reasonable" restrictions that don't infringe a person's right to self-defense or his ability to exercise it.

We need to better articulate why they are dead wrong on both counts. We're in a war of ideas. Victory will go to the more persuasive and articulate side.

1stmarine
January 15, 2013, 11:20 PM
Victory goes to the sensationalist media and those who fuel that media with the fears of a brainless population. All politicians do is to see the opportunity and exploit those fears to further their radical agendas.
Tomorrow you will see Obama surrounded by little children to give his message.

It is history repeating itself over and over again. Edward Murrow warned about these dangers and they are here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anNEJJYLU8M

Billy Shears
January 15, 2013, 11:34 PM
I thought NY state senator Greg Ball spoke rather effectively on the matter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2rRSUEaLKvA

He was quite right; you have people out there with dangerous mental health issues, and people who have children they fear are ticking time bombs and need help with them, not getting it, and the NY state legislature has done nothing to address that problem. Instead they chose to do the easy thing: to grandstand about gun control and pat themselves on the back that they've done something to prevent violence. They haven't, of course. The bill was rushed through in the middle of the night, it got no public discussion at all, and was passed by state senators who had not even read it. It transparently is not a well-thought out, carefully considered, legitimate effort to make the people of NY state safer. It is, as Sen. Ball observed, a naked attempt on the part of a 2016 Democratic presidential contender to take a big, strategic highly visible national lead on the "progressive" cause du jour.

boom boom
January 15, 2013, 11:36 PM
I would suggest that 2nd Amendment supporting Dem's on this board, especially if you are from Iowa and New Hampshire, point out to Mr. Cuomo through emails, faxes, and phone calls, that signing this midnight bill to take away your rights will seriously affect his presidential chances in 2016.

1stmarine
January 16, 2013, 12:31 AM
Thank you guys! you are the best.
We are also in the lookout for your states and for Obama's circus performance that is about to start.

Cuomo and his buddies forced a 'legalized' illegal law and sold us out.

The Cosa Nostra would be a lot better because they would be up front so you would know what to expect when something was going to be enforced upon you.

Cuomo as president would be another total failure just like the current one.
I hope the GOP put their ***** together by then.

Okiegunner
January 16, 2013, 01:11 AM
A question???

Will Gov. Cuomo's security staff be limited to 7 bullets?

OpelBlitz
January 16, 2013, 01:13 AM
Doubtful. You should ask. :)

1stmarine
January 16, 2013, 01:30 AM
I think even less than 7 because he might have banned all the ammunition and manufactures will no longer want to do business with Newyorkistan so his full time security detail will be out of ammo soon. Or those might be able to order online while he pretends he is not looking.

Welcome to the new world order. Cuomo for Fuhrer in 2016. wow!

hso
January 16, 2013, 08:54 AM
Cuomo's War is a NYS ban opposition site that has some coordination information . http://cuomoswar.com/2013/01/16/petitions-to-help-save-ny/

burk
January 16, 2013, 08:20 PM
Question about the National Socailist Republic of NY state gun ban.

They are requiring NICS checks for ammunition purchases (as I understand). My understanding of NICS is that it is a Federal system (I work part time at a Big box gun counter) designed only for the checking of backgrounds on the purchase of Hand gun or Long gun. Wouldn't there have to be Federal legislation to authorize access for background checks for ammo purchases? My understanding of the Federal statute is that to use the NICS system for any other reason is illegal.

1stmarine
January 16, 2013, 08:31 PM
You are right. There are more holes on this legislation than a Swiss cheese and that is why the state is being sued.
The 7 round limit is a joke. Many pistols do not even have 7 round version so now suppliers will not ship the gun shops.
Online sales of ammo are also stopped.

Cuomo and his gang have achieved the following:

- Violated the constitution. Not just the second but a de facto law
is also a big no no.
- Made instant criminals of honest citizens.
- Has destroyed and entire industry and lots of people will loose their
businesses and their jobs. Remington made clear that they will pull
out of Lyons NY. If they do that, and you cannot blame them for that,
that town will become a ghost town.
- Has created a safety problem in the state. This state is a criminal
safe-heaven now.

And what is the worse thing of all, no one single reasonable measure in the bill that is going to make our
kids in schools and others safer. The bill was printed at 11:00pm and voted on at 11:30pm. No opportunity
for hearings or careful though was given before these draconian measures where pushed
down New Yorker's throats.

Cuomo, Skelos and others have lost any credibility and IMO Cuomo has committed political suicide
and he will never be president. The media are talking how he might be looking as a donkey that
wanted to make a statement and beat Obama to the punch and in the process he screwed up.
People of New York love this state and will fight to the end to get this thing overturned and
these criminals out of office.

1stmarine
January 16, 2013, 08:47 PM
Almost forgot...

Please join the Class Action lawsuit against the state of ny...

http://congressweb.com/cweb2/index.cfm/siteid/SCOPENY/action/signup.go/id/432E2E8D-1D09-296B-DA5AC0B9CFDCCAC7

1stmarine
January 16, 2013, 09:46 PM
This is why they want everyone to register their firearms...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ryUbJfg4tAo

1stmarine
January 17, 2013, 12:34 PM
Whenever we send a letter or try to get someone engaged in our cause
education is paramount.

This is a great collateral to send to anyone about the truth behind
the term assault weapon...

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

1stmarine
January 17, 2013, 02:39 PM
More about corrupt politicians with radical agendas for disarmament that wipe their tuckus with our constitution...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zylu07WCSFo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tIXHolEYazI

Kiln
January 17, 2013, 03:09 PM
My thanks to far left wing socialists. They've united gun owners in a way I never thought possible by showing us how disgusting they are and how willingly they'll dance on children's graves to advance their agenda.

This is the first time I can think of where several states have introduced bills explicitly saying that they will not comply with any federal bans on firearms.

johnrobe
January 17, 2013, 07:07 PM
An effort to repeal NY's new gun law.

http://www.nysenate.gov/webform/stand-second-amendment-standing-new-york-state-senator-kathleen-marchione

Spats McGee
January 17, 2013, 07:21 PM
Gun owners everywhere need to have a long memory on this one, just in case Cuomo does try to run for president.

doom
January 17, 2013, 07:53 PM
Did anyone read the article about police officers NOT being exempt from the magazine size limit? They're now trying to 'amend' it, to provide an 'exemption' for the 'special' one's, I'd urge everyone to call their legislator, and have them vote 'NO' for this. Cops should carry the same magazine capacity as citizens.

tomrkba
January 17, 2013, 08:13 PM
All I can say is: shame on New York gun owners!

The legislature felt like they could get away with this law because of you!!!

1stmarine
January 17, 2013, 09:17 PM
All I can say is: shame on New York gun owners!

The legislature felt like they could get away with this law because of you!!!
Sure blame it on gun owners! Everyone has been working on this w/o sleep.
You see, we have NYC and Bloomberg who is worse than Hitler and I am not exagerating. Did you see how Cuomo and his gang passed the law and what is in the law itself? Several violations of the constitution. Don't think for a second than everyone is safe with people like this in office. TX, Utah and a few others must feel pretty safe but we are going socialist all over at the speed of light. We do what we can but the corrupt news and media are hurting us big time. Did you see Obama exploiting children to further their radical agendas?
America is being brainwashed like Europe and see where Europe is right now.
That is the real problem.

So please don't blame it on New York Firearm Owners. We are as committed to defend the constitution and liberty as as anybody else.

1stmarine
January 17, 2013, 09:21 PM
Breaking News !!!!!!!!!! NY Sheriffs Fighting back !!!!

Everyone print this out and bring it to your local sheriff !!!!! A few NY Sheriffs have vowed to not comply !!!!!!!!

Local sheriffs question merits of new N.Y. law By JOE MAHONEY 01/16/2013 12:18 PM
Schoharie County Sheriff Tony Desmond and Otsego County Sheriff Richard Devlin Jr. both questioned the merits of a new package of gun control measures signed into law Tuesday by Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

Cuomo argued the legislation will enhance public safety in New York. But Desmond said that requiring citizens to register guns that the new legislation now defines as assault weapons will not be a priority of his department.

“Nobody from the Schoharie sheriff’s department is going to be taking any weapons away from anyone unless they have committed a crime,” Desmond said. “An average law-abiding citizen is not going to have to worry about the sheriff’s department coming to take their weapon or arresting them for having a weapon.”

The legislation broadens the definition of assault weapons to include guns that had previously been described as such. For instance, a shotgun with a pistol grip is labeled by the new law as an assault weapon because of the single feature of having a pistol grip.

Although Cuomo had indicated last month that he was considering the option of having the government confiscate assault weapons, the legislation that overwhelming passed the state Senate and Assembly allowed those weapons to be kept by owners if they already have them.

Desmond said forcing citizens to register such guns is impractical and doe not enhance public safety.

“We don’t have the time to run around and tell everybody to bring their long weapons in to register them,” he said. “We’re just barely keeping up with the pistol permits we have now.”

Devlin said that while he agreed with some features of the legislation — such as a new requirement that pistol permit and rifle registration information be kept confidential — the thrust of it will have an onerous impact on law-abiding citizens who acquired their guns through proper channels.

“I don’t see how this legislation is going to prevent a crazy person from doing something that’s crazy,” Devlin said.

He said numerous gun owners have contacted him to register their displeasure with the legislation. “People are not happy,” he said.

State Sen. James Seward, R-Milford, a long-time gun rights advocate, was one of the 18 state senators who voted against the gun package, which was acted on as a single bill.

Seward said he agreed with one component that increases the punishment for anyone convicted of killing a first responder as well as the provision limiting public access to gun records kept by local governments. The latter provision was inserted in the legislation following an uproar in Westchester County after a newspaper owned by the Gannett Co. acquired a database of gun permit owners and published their names and home addresses.

Seward said he also favored a provision that requires mental health providers to report to law enforcement when they encounter patients who could endanger others with weapons..

“My problem with the legislation is it zeroes in too much on the weapons — and puts restrictions on law abiding legitimate gun owners,” the senator said. He noted the overwhelming majority of his constituents were opposed to the new restrictions.

Daily Star : Local sheriffs question merits of new N.Y. law
http://m.thedailystar.com/thedailystar/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=Zm8YVmEv&full=true#display

1stmarine
January 17, 2013, 09:23 PM
"The Sheriff: More Power Than the President" - Sheriff Richard Mack

Sheriff Richard Mack is the Sheriff that stood up to defend the U.S. Constitution and the autonomy of Sheriffs across the country. His lawsuit in 1994 and subsequent victory at the U.S. Supreme Court proved once and for all that the Sheriff is indeed the ultimate law enforcement authority in his county and in this country.

What rights does the U.S. Constitution actually guarantee? Why is it important to keep our means of self-defense? What can we do to remain strong as individuals and families, so that we can remain strong as a nation? What can the Sheriff do to protect us from all enemies, both foreign and domestic? A Sheriff is not a bureaucrat and he does not answer to one; he answers to his boss, the citizens. The Sheriff is the employee of the people and exists to serve and protect them in all matters. To uphold and defend the U.S. Constitution is a Sheriffs primary duty and sworn responsibility. How do we "re-educate" our Sheriffs of their duty to the people, not the federal government? What about all the federal funding, how does it affect a Sheriffs ability to do his job?

Sheriff Mack is the man to answer all our questions. Be prepared to learn what incredible power the people, through their elected Sheriff, really have available to them if they decide to use it. You will definitely be enlightened and empowered after hearing Sheriff Mack.

http://www.radioliberty.com/vsheriff.html

1stmarine
January 17, 2013, 11:54 PM
Read the news before you post. Help if you want or please stay away from this thread.

We have been downtown every day!. This weekend we are in Albany thousands of firearm owners.

==============================================
Organized March on State Capitals (Guns Across America)

Organization NEW YORK CAPITAL
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Where: NY State Capitol - Capitol Building, State Street, Albany, NY 12230
When: High Noon, Saturday Jan 19th 2013
Why: To show support of our Second Amendment Right

http://www.facebook.com/GunsAcrossAmericaNewYork?fref=ts

DRESS PROPERLY.
DONT SHOW UP IN FATIGES, CAMMO OR WITH A SHOOTING VEST ON.
AVOID SWEAR LANGUAGE, THE TV IS WATCHING.
THIS IS AN EVENT TO CONVINCE AMERICA WE ARE JUST LIKE ANY
OTHER CITIZENS AND WE ARE HERE TO PROTECT OUR FREEDOM
AND PROTEST FOR THIS ASSAULT ON THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

GUESS WHAT? I HAD TO WORK TOO AND FAMILY STUFF BUT I CANCELLED
EVERYTHING AND I WILL BE THERE LIKE THOUSANDS OF OTHERS.

THE ONLY THING THAT CANNOT WAIT IS THIS SITUATION GOING THE
WAY IS GOING W/O MASSIVE RESISTANCE IN PERSON.
WE WILL NOT GIVE UP. EVER.

1stmarine
January 18, 2013, 12:39 AM
.
HERE SENATOR BALL WITH A BIG PAIR IF HIS LAST-NAME SUBJECTS...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2rRSUEaLKvA

Please pass this along by facebook,twiter,etc... America need to see this.
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MilsurpShooter
January 18, 2013, 12:52 AM
The politicians passed the law because they were confident New York gun owners would obey. Where were the loud marches? Why didn't you march to the state house and demand your rights? Perhaps the MSM suppressed the 100,000 protesters in Albany.

Yes because a bill drafted and voted on at midnight on Tuesday and signed into law on Wednesday morning specifically so lobbyists couldn't have a say is going to get everyone marching in the dark.

Trust me, it's starting now.

1stmarine
January 18, 2013, 07:52 PM
This is how some senators wipe their tuckus with the US constitution.

Assemblyman asked to keep the Dem proposals for the NY SAFE Act away from the public.

NYS Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin District 107:

Here it is. This is the video where I was asked to keep the Democrat proposals for the NY SAFE Act away from the public. This list was given to me by a colleague and it is not confidential.

This bill was an attack on the 2nd amendment and the Democrats clearly wanted to dismantle the work of the Founding Fathers. None of these amendments were included in the final bill thanks to us fighting back. I will not stand silent while these unpatriotic proposals are pathetically thrown at us a 11 o’clock at night:

01. Confiscation of "assault weapons"
02. Confiscation o ten round clips
03. Statewide database for ALL Guns
04. Continue to allow pistol permit holder's information to be replaced to the public
05. Label semiautomatic shotguns with more than 5 rounds or pistol grips as "assault weapons”
06. Limit the number of rounds in a magazine to 5 and confiscation and forfeiture of banned magazines
07. Limit possession to no more than two (2) magazines
08. Limit purchase of guns to one gun per person per month
09. Require re-licensing of all pistol permit owners
10. Require renewal of all pistol permits every five years
11. State issued pistol permits
12. Micro-stamping of all guns in New York State
13. Require licensing of all gun ammo dealers
14. Mandatory locking of guns at home
15. Fee for licensing, registering weapons

http://cavalierknight.com/video/ny.safe.act/01.ny.safe.act.videos.html


Sorry If I make you through up. I almost did.

birddog
January 18, 2013, 09:19 PM
The politicians passed the law because they were confident New York gun owners would obey. Where were the loud marches? Why didn't you march to the state house and demand your rights? Perhaps the MSM suppressed the 100,000 protesters in Albany. Why did you not demand a rollback of the laws? Why did politicians feel comfortable voting for it? Why were they not afraid of you?

One man in New Hampshire with a sign and a holstered handgun threw the mainstream media into a tizzy. Meek New Yorkers did nothing but request politicians honor the right to keep arms.

Get a grip. NY is a huge state. It's a VERY red state with a couple of very big BLUE cities that influence everything that happens. We are outnumbered.

Did you elect Obama? Someone in a foreign country would say "those stupid Americans elected Obama. They are STUPID and MEEK. Why weren't they protesting in the streets." How would you feel? That's how I feel, and how my family and friends feel.

Think about your words, please. You have no idea about what's going on here, or the caliber of the people that have been affected.

1stmarine
January 18, 2013, 11:39 PM
Another poll...

http://www.nynow.org/post/weeks-new-york-now-poll-question

swalton1943
January 19, 2013, 07:08 PM
What is remington doing about this bill? I bet they have a lot of assult weapons in their plant.:neener:

tomrkba
January 19, 2013, 08:08 PM
Again, there is a culture in New York that allows these insane laws to exist of which gun owners are a part. I know several New York citizens with carry permits and we discussed how things are outside of the city. But, the fact of the matter is that New York gun owners have complied with all the laws prior to this one. These politicians felt completely comfortable in voting for this evil law.

I hope you are not only able to roll back this law, but also turn New York into a gun friendly state. I would love to one day visit New York City and carry my handgun concealed to a show. One of the other posters saw the good side of this law in that it revealed the anti-rights politicians' true goal: disarmament through registration, bureaucratic nonsense, taxes, and possible confiscation. Hopefully you will be able to sway enough politicians through the "soap" and "ballot" boxes.

But you really need to make them understand that the "bullet" box is an option. It is not the preferred option, but it's on the table.

1stmarine
January 21, 2013, 11:30 AM
Everyone who I talked to at the rally and outside the rally and the forums are not going to register a thing. Why? because this is what they want to confiscate.
Cuomo and his gun of thugs can go pack some dirt.

No compliance..

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/hit_us_with_your_best_shot_andy_5rxZg0gYBJJhkLBtiTPMfJ

1stmarine
January 22, 2013, 09:42 PM
MANY THANKS TO EVERYONE THAT CAME TO THE RALLY!

The Albany Rally went well. It was very nice to meet some of the firearms individuals including from the forums.

Yesterday I was at the SCOPE meeting here in the Rochester Chapter and I got some very good ideas from that meeting.
It was packed to the rim so it was hard to follow with the noise but nevertheless I think we got some very
clear direction that other chapters are also going to implement consistently.


A) The Law Suit seems pretty solid. This is going to go through several levels. We expect to loose in a couple until
we can win the big one at the supreme court. This is going to need funding so I am asking everyone here if you
are not a member, become one. If you are one donate what you can and most important, invite others.
SCOPE is us and we are Scope. I have never been directly involved but I cannot afford to be a passive supporter
anymore.

B) There was a general consensus to stop hunting for the next 2 years. We are going to stop as much funding as
possible going back to the state. They estimated 125M / year from licenses. All the folks there gave their promise
(including me) not to renew their hunting licenses for 2 years. It is hard for me but it is going to be harder on Cuomo
so that motivates me and makes me happy if we all join.

If each firearm owner gave 1 dollar to scope that would mean 5 Million dollars. With that they said we could fight
anything.

C) Lets keep writing the Senators and policy makers. We will not rest one single day. We know they are looking at
the daily numbers and if amendments come will be based on numbers. They expect that after a while the numbers
will go down and the citizens will surrender to their stupid laws but they are going to get the opposite which is the
protests are going to increase.

One interesting idea that I learned from another fellow firearm owner is to create postcard templates that can be
printed using the cards sheets they sell in Office Depot / Staples and that will accelerate the mailing process with
key messages. We are also going to take some great letter templates and people can use those or customize
a little. I am going to look for a place where we can have those things organized. A thread is not the best place.

D) Go to the Scope website and signup for the updates. When you become a member you will automatically receive
the updates.

E) One thing that became clear is that we spend a few minutes a day emailing and specially in the social media.
I received a list of recommendations that I am going to post to make this the most effective tool for everyone for
activism. Expect each one of us is going to have one or more active accounts social media networks that are
going to be blasting the senators walls and inboxes every day.
I will explain the strategy in another post/thread. It is very simple and that is the same the Obama's grass roots
activists do all over the place to discredit firearm owners and piss all over our rights.

F) Become active in your shooting clubs. One thing that I didn't like is not to see people from my clubs in the
Albany rally. I am going to talk tot he clubs here and next time more people are going to be there.
We need to convince the hundreds of silent supporters and armchair activists that the time has come to put
the boots on and hit the streets.

But before you start with those measures take a few minutes to say a note of big thanks to all the senators
and people that supported the 2nd amendment even they could not defeat those vicious forces and the millions
from Bloomberg and his deals.


Thanks.

1stmarine
January 22, 2013, 11:02 PM
A FEW PICTURES FROM THE ALBANY RALLY...
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http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z327/fotoeiro/2A/2A_Albany_2012_01_19_2AModified_zps46357cc8.jpg
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http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z327/fotoeiro/2A/2A_Albany_2012_01_19_TyrannyReponse_zps1521ccd3.jpg
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http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z327/fotoeiro/2A/2A_Albany_2012_01_19_BanSchools_zpsa1beeb19.jpg

chipcom
January 22, 2013, 11:12 PM
Everyone who I talked to at the rally and outside the rally and the forums are not going to register a thing. Why? because this is what they want to confiscate.
Cuomo and his gun of thugs can go pack some dirt.

No compliance..

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/hit_us_with_your_best_shot_andy_5rxZg0gYBJJhkLBtiTPMfJ
congrats, I am happy to admit that perhaps I was wrong about NY just rolling over.

I'm not sure what we can do from outside your state besides give money, but if and when stuff starts to get hard, I for one will help you all out in any way I can.

1stmarine
January 22, 2013, 11:37 PM
congrats, I am happy to admit that perhaps I was wrong about NY just rolling over.

I'm not sure what we can do from outside your state besides give money, but if and when stuff starts to get hard, I for one will help you all out in any way I can.
Thanks for your support. You can bet your azz we are going to fight to the end.
Whatever it takes.

Click on the picture to play the video...

http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z327/fotoeiro/2A/th_2013-01-19_14-41-08_807_zpsf74a71b6.jpg (http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z327/fotoeiro/2A/2013-01-19_14-41-08_807_zpsf74a71b6.mp4)

tomrkba
January 23, 2013, 08:11 AM
Is this the SCOPE website? There are several orgs with "scope" in the name.

http://scopeny.org/index.html

I recommend you contact three people:

1) Michael Bane. He has tons of contacts and I am sure he will help you out. He talked about NY's situation on his radio show.

2) Tom Gresham of GunTalk. I am very positive you could get on his radio show and get some exposure.

3) Phillip Van Cleave of VCDL. He will help you with making your org more politically effective. Ask him about "Lobby Day" and other activities VCDL is involved in. They do provide assistance in creating VCDL-like orgs in other states. These guys really know how to work the legislators. vcdl.org

1stmarine
January 23, 2013, 09:56 PM
Many Thanks! That is great information!

THIS IS THE RIGHT GOVERNOR CUOMO AND HIS GANG TOOK AWAY FROM THE CITIZENS
OF NY STATE. IT IS NOT ONLY IRRATIONAL BUT IRRESPONSIBLE.

http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Homeowners-Scare-Off-Burglars/7yaLSXAvCUGBkwgAZpGO4g.cspx

michaelbsc
January 24, 2013, 05:15 AM
Well, I thought this was an interesting tidbit about the government seeing the AR15 as a suitable personal defense weapon rather than as an "assault" weapon.


http://radioviceonline.com/department-of-homeland-security-sport-rifle-ar-15-suitable-for-personal-defense/

1stmarine
January 24, 2013, 07:10 PM
GOVERNOR BALL, A TRUE PATRIOT.
http://www.nysenate.gov/press-release/department-homeland-security-latest-highlight-flawed-logic-cuomo-gun-grab

glennv
January 24, 2013, 10:28 PM
Wait until there is a huge event in a particular city or town that generates tons of revenue. Get as many people you can to logjam the roads by joyriding for several hours in that area. Art festivals, concerts.... Get even.

pickupman
January 24, 2013, 11:38 PM
If you live in NY State, you know by now that the #$%$#& in Albany are going to do just what they want. Leave the state. Aren't you sick of the high taxes and crummy weather by now? This new law is just another example of why millions have left NY State.

Tom from WNY
January 25, 2013, 10:00 PM
1stmarine: We in WNY are just as torqued as you are. We are also glad that you folks (I'm assuming you are from CNY) are active and vocal. I have been sickened by the tyranny of our dictatorial Legislature. Here's what I have proposed for the next step, write or e-mail all the firearms and accessory companies you can think of the following:

I am a law abiding New York State firearms owner and taxpayer. I do not appreciate that the Government of my State is making me a criminal; especially to serve the venial, pernicious ego of some of our politicians.

In the SAFE act, there were no provisions for transfer of "large capacity ammunition feeding devices" or possession of same by Law Enforcement. After April 15, 2013, it will be illegal to sell a magazine holding more than 7 rounds in NYS.

As a law abiding gun owner in New York State, I cannot, in good consciousness, support purchasing any product from any manufacturer who:

A) Does not immediately cease to ship to New York State any magazine of greater than 10 round capacity. Cease shipment of magazines of 7-10 rounds after April 15. Standing contracts signed prior to January 14, 2013, for magazines holding more than 10 rounds for law enforcement firearms should be filled in accordance with contract terms; as well as exempting sales to Federal Agencies. This applies across the board; civilian and law enforcement sales.

B) Continues to ship handguns for any reason, including law enforcement sales, to New York State capable of accepting a magazine holding more than 7 rounds. Again, exempt current standing contracts in force prior to January 14, 2013 and Federal sales.

C) Does not immediately cease shipment of any rifle or carbine that meets the NY definition of an assault rifle to New York State for any reason, including law enforcement sales. Again, exempt standing contracts in force prior to January 14, 2013.

When the laws are changed to allow us, law abiding New York citizen firearms owners, to retain our pre-9/13/1994 (Federal AWB) magazines without criminal penalty and have new 10 round magazines that we can load and carry with 10 rounds, then, by all means, please ship 10 round and full capacity magazines and handguns, with proper restrictions and legal disclaimers, to law enforcement for those holding more than 10 rounds.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. While this may seem like an odd request, we, in New York appreciate the support of those in industry who see our situation.

I am trying to get a national effort to spread this letter and get your friends to do so as well. We need to inform gun and accessory companies we have a voice with our wallets as well as our votes for politicians who support us. Also, support Assemblyman David DePietro, Senator Kathy Marchionne in their petiiton efforts; there is strength in numbers.

To those who do not live in NYS, I have the following to say: Blog away and opine that we, in NYS are laying down and doing this to ourselves. This is coming to your state of residence NOW! Look at DiFi's bill; this is what the Progressive Democrat Liberals want and nothing else. We know how to fight, this is the nightmare that we knew would come, we fought constantly and the battle is what we know. For those of you in "gun friendly" states; well even Wyoming residents are finding out there are ant-gun politicians in your state who would gladly strip you of your rights and flog you in to an embarassing state of humiliation.

MARK MY WORDS, UNLESS YOU JOIN THE BATTLE NOW, IT WILL HAPPEN IN YOUR STATE OF RESIDENCE SOON. WE NEED TO JOIN TOGETHER AT CONCORD BRIDGE OR SUFFER SERFDOM SEPARATLEY.

1stmarine
January 26, 2013, 01:02 AM
This is in fact a Tyranny and the supreme court will find it this way.
Cuomo shot himself on the foot and for this he will never be president.

But in certain way I am happy this happened because when people saw the list of proposals that were negotiated including confiscation and basically almost total disarmament then the thousands of silent 2A supporters are not silent anymore. Bloomberg is also behind this who is the vivid reincarnation of Adolf Hitler, and I am not exaggerating.

Please watch the below video. I find it very Instructive. Please Share all over.

This is what is happening all over America. It is not about the guns but the fear and how some are taking the emotions and those fears to exploit radical political agendas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kKpLhNiC8zg

Cuomo you took the same oath but you failed.
You and your gang are nothing but a bunch of thugs.

Cactus Jack Arizona
January 26, 2013, 05:32 AM
I truly feel for you gun guys out there in NY. This is nothing short of a travesty.

Not to be skeptical, but how am I to help those in NY all the way from Missouri?

All I can offer is the info contained in the link below that discusses the US Supreme Court ruling of such Amendments as the 2nd Amendment.

http://www.examiner.com/article/us-supreme-court-law-repugnant-to-the-constitution-is-void

Good Luck

Tom from WNY
January 26, 2013, 01:32 PM
Cactus Jack: Thank you for your offer of assistance. Read the letter I am sending to manufacturer's of firearms and accessories. Modify it a bit, send the same to those manufacturer's. They will listen as their margin will be affected.

Write your representatives in Congress and your State. Make your position crystal clear. VOTE! Contribute to the NRA-ILA and your State RKBA associations, even the cost of a box of ammo will help them.

Encourage all your friends to do the same. Remember, this is not just about hi-cap handguns and modern sporting rifles; as we found out in NYS, they want 'em all; every last one of them as DiFi stated.

bowserb
January 26, 2013, 06:20 PM
New York gun owners saying are saying NO, we won't register.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/14322-gun-owners-refuse-to-register-under-new-york-law

1stmarine
January 26, 2013, 11:44 PM
New York gun owners saying are saying NO, we won't register.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/14322-gun-owners-refuse-to-register-under-new-york-law
Yes! I saw that Article. It reflects the general feeling. Even non gun owners are saying why all these stupid laws when the State is broke and faces so many other challenges?

1stmarine
January 26, 2013, 11:46 PM
NY SHERIFFS WILL NOT ENFORCE THESE LAWS.
CUOMO SHOT HIMSELF ON THE FOOT.

http://rochesterhomepage.net/fulltext?nxd_id=367362

http://rochesterhomepage.net/images/Multi_Media/rochesterhomepage/nxd_media/dox/pdf/2013_01/NYSSA%20letter.pdf

Here is their letter:

Sheriffs’ Response to NY SAFE Act
Following passage of the SAFE Act by the State Legislature and approval by the Governor, the Sheriffs now have had the opportunity to review the language of the new law and wish to make our comments available.

The Sheriffs of New York state support many of the provisions
of the SAFE Act, and believe that they will enhance public safety and help to shield citizens from gun violence. However, there are also some parts of this new law that need clarification, and some that we think should be reconsidered and modified to meet the concerns of the law enforcement community and the public at large.

We have identified the following six provisions of the new law which we believe are helpful and will increase the safety of our citizens.

These include:
• Restriction on FOIL requests about pistol permit holders. By granting citizens the option of having their names and addresses withheld from public disclosure, the new law does provide a mechanism to allow people to decide for themselves whether their personal information should be accessible to the public. We believe, however, that no
one should have to explain why their personal information should remain confidential. A better procedure, we believe, is simply to exempt all this personal information from FOIL disclosure.

• Killing of emergency first responders. The new law makes killing of emergency first responders aggravated or first degree murder, enhancing penalties for this crime and
requiring life without parole. First responders need this protection, evidenced all too often by attacks on them when they attempt to provide help, and in special recognition
of the terrible attacks on two firefighters in Webster, NY and attacks on first responders in Jefferson County.

• Requirement of NICS checks for private sales (except between immediate family). We believe that this will ensure that responsible citizens will still be able to obtain legal
firearms through private transactions, with the added assurance that private buyers are approved by the federal National Instant Criminal Background Check System. We
remain concerned that this provision will be very difficult to enforce and will likely only affect law abiding citizens.

• Comprehensive review of mental health records before firearms permits are granted and review of records to determine if revocation of permits is required. Sheriffs
believe that there is an urgent need to increase funding for mental health care. The new law imposes reporting requirements on many mental health care professionals and
others who may make a determination that a person is a danger to himself or others. The law further gives needed authority to courts or others who issue firearms permits to
deny permit applications or to revoke permits already issued. We believe that this issue demands a much more full and detailed discussion about how to keep guns out of the
hands of such people. The Sheriffs of New York want to pursue these issues with the Governor and the State Legislature.

• Safe storage of firearms. The new law provides that guns must be safely stored if the owner lives with someone who has been convicted of a felony or domestic violence crime, has been involuntarily committed, or is currently under an order of protection. We agree that firearms owners should have the responsibility to make sure that their weapons are safeguarded against use or access by prohibited persons, and the new law adds these protections to ensure that weapons are safely and securely stored.

• Increased penalties for illegal use of weapons. The new law adds several increased sanctions for violation of New York gun laws and creates new gun crimes which did not previously exist. These new provisions will provide added tools for law enforcement to prosecute such crimes. We further believe that the new provisions should help deter future misuse of firearms. We also suggest that the legislature consider limitations on plea bargaining for all gun crimes.

We have reviewed other provisions of the new law, and strongly believe that modifications are needed to clarify the intent of some of these new provisions and that revisions are
needed to allow Sheriffs to properly enforce the law in their counties.

• Assault weapon ban and definition of assault weapons. We believe that the new definition of assault weapons is too broad, and prevents the possession of many weapons that are legitimately used for hunting, target shooting and self defense. Classifying firearms as assault weapons because of one arbitrary feature effectively deprives people the right to possess firearms which have never before been designated
as assault weapons. We are convinced that only law abiding gun owners will be affected by these new provisions, while criminals will still have and use whatever weapons they
want.

• Inspection of schools by state agencies. The new law transfers to state agencies the responsibility to review school safety plans. We expect that funding will be transferred to these state agencies to implement safety proposals. Sheriffs and local police provide this service in all parts of the state and can perform these duties efficiently. As the chief law enforcement officer of the county, Sheriffs are in the best position to know the security needs of schools in their own counties, and the state should help to fund these existing efforts by Sheriffs and local police departments to keep our schools safe. Because Sheriffs and local police are already deeply involved with school safety plans, have developed emergency response plans, and are familiar with structural layouts of schools in their counties, they should be included along with state counterparts in any effort to review school safety plans.

• Reduction of ammunition magazine capacity. The new law enacts reductions in the maximum capacity of gun magazines. We believe based on our years of law enforcement experience that this will not reduce gun violence. The new law will unfairly limit the ability of law‐abiding citizens to purchase firearms in New York. It bears repeating that it is our belief that the reduction of magazine capacity will not
make New Yorkers or our communities safer.

• Five year recertification of pistol permit status and registration of existing assault weapons. The new law delegates to the State Police the duty to solicit and receive
updated personal information of permit holders every five years in order to maintain these permits. Further, the law requires owners of certain existing firearms now classified as assault weapons to register these with the State Police within one year. The recertification and registration conflict with Sheriffs’ duties regarding issuance of pistol permits. All records should be maintained at the local, and not the state level. This information should be accessible to those who are responsible for initial investigation of permit applications. Pistol permit information should be maintained in one file at the local level, and forwarded to a statewide database for law enforcement use. It bears repeating that it is our belief that pistol permit and any registration information required by the law should be confidential and protected from FOIL disclosure.

• Sale of ammunition. The new law imposes several new provisions regarding how, and from whom, ammunition can be lawfully purchased. The law should be clarified about the use of the Internet as a vehicle for these sales, out‐of‐state sales to New York residents, and other issues. Businesses have said that they do not understand the new provisions and are concerned that they will have to cease operations.

• Law enforcement exemptions must be clarified. The new law has many provisions that might apply to law enforcement officers and there has been much confusion about whether existing law enforcement exemptions continue to apply. We understand that the Governor and Legislature have already agreed to review and modify these provisions where necessary, and the Sheriffs want to be part of the discussion to make the changes effective. Additionally, the exemptions should apply to retired police and peace officers, and to others in the employ of the Sheriff and other police agencies who perform security duties at public facilities and events.

• Method of bill passage. It is the view of the Sheriffs’ Association that anytime government decides it is necessary or desirable to test the boundaries of a constitutional right that it should only be done with caution and with great respect for those constitutional boundaries. Further, it should only be done if the benefit to be gained is so great and certain that it far outweighs the damage done by the constriction of individual liberty. While many of the provisions of the new law have surface appeal, it is far from certain that all, or even many, of them will have any significant effect in
reducing gun violence, which is the presumed goal of all of us. Unfortunately the process used in adoption of this act did not permit the mature development of the arguments on either side of the debate, and thus many of the stakeholders in this important issue are left feeling ignored by their government. Even those thrilled with the passage of this legislation should be concerned about the process used to secure its passage, for the next time they may find themselves the victim of that same process. Fortunately, the Governor has shown himself open to working with interested parties to address some of the problems that arose due to the hasty enactment of this law. We will work with the Governor and the Legislature on these issues.

• Sheriffs understand their Constitutional obligations and the concerns of constituents Sheriffs and other law enforcement officers are not called upon by this new legislation to go door‐to‐door to confiscate any weapons newly classified as assault weapons, and will not do so.

Sheriffs represent all the people, and we take an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of New York. Sheriffs will continue to enforce all laws of the state and will protect the rights of all citizens, including those rights guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the
State of New York.

Stand Strong!

1stmarine
January 31, 2013, 11:54 PM
Powerful message from Concentration Camp Survivor...
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/22120_600949583253806_232712782_n.jpg

1stmarine
February 7, 2013, 03:31 AM
Cuomo Reacts to SAFE Act Backlash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=S5Awhpw0mj4

gfanikf
February 7, 2013, 10:49 AM
Powerful message from Concentration Camp Survivor...
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/22120_600949583253806_232712782_n.jpg

Where is the source of that? That is very very powerful, but I want to know someone did photoshop a different text or use an image for what they thought would be said. If thats the case sending it around could be a really bad idea. If it is true than it is indeed powerful.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2

1stmarine
February 8, 2013, 05:15 PM
Where is the source of that? That is very very powerful, but I want to know someone did photoshop a different text or use an image for what they thought would be said. If thats the case sending it around could be a really bad idea. If it is true than it is indeed powerful.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2
I am not sure the source. I know it is all over in FB.

Tom from WNY
February 8, 2013, 06:53 PM
In addition to the New York State Sheriff's Association having reservations witht he SAFE act, the following governmental lobbying organizations are also expressing strong reservations to this legislation:

New York State County Clerk's Associaiton - link off of the SCOPE website; they do not have the resources to handle the Pistol Permit renewals or the registry of "Assault Rifles".

New York State Association of Counties - NYSAC - link independently; the Counties do not have the personnel or funding to process the mental health provisions of this Act, nor is the funding or personnel available to process Pistol Permit renewals or "Assault Rifle" registrations.

I can't wait for the New York State Association of Towns to weigh in, although AOT does not really have a dog in the hunt.

Oswego County legislature adopted a resoloution calling for the Repeal of the SAFE Act. I think other Counties may follow suit (especially the ones bordering the PA line). If that is the case; well......

When even the governmental entities are expressing reservations; the politicritters in Albany shoud wake up.

1stmarine
February 10, 2013, 01:43 PM
Orange County Legislature Passes 2nd Amendment Resolution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=W3wcvAxEtsk

1stmarine
February 13, 2013, 06:42 PM
20 U.S. states, CATO, others file briefs to Supreme Court supporting SAF’s Kachalsky carry case

Scope and others added to the Amici.

http://www.firearmspolicy.org/2013/02/20-u-s-states-cato-others-file-briefs-to-supreme-court-supporting-safs-kachalsky-carry-case/?doing_wp_cron=1360733634.8350698947906494140625

1stmarine
February 13, 2013, 07:14 PM
Also good article about Firearms and The constitution in the WSJ...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323951904578290460073953432.html?mod=wsj_valettop_email


By DAVID B. RIVKIN JR. And ANDREW M. GROSSMAN

Could there be a better illustration of the cultural divide over firearms than the White House photograph of our skeet-shooting president? Clay pigeons are launched into the air, but the president's smoking shotgun is level with the ground. This is not a man who is comfortable around guns. And that goes a long way toward explaining his gun-control agenda.

Lack of informed presidential leadership aside, there is a gulf between those Americans who view guns as invaluable tools for self-defense, both against private wrongdoers and a potentially tyrannical government, and those who regard that concept as hopelessly archaic and even subversive. For them, hunting is the only possible legitimate use of firearms, and gun ownership should be restricted to weapons suited to that purpose.

Copyrighted content removed to keep this post consistent with THR's Fair Use policy. Please use the link above (or search on the information below) to read this post in full.

A version of this article appeared February 11, 2013, on page A13 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Gun Control and the Constitution.

1stmarine
February 14, 2013, 09:11 PM
We received word today that Monroe county has received ZERO contact regarding passing a measure against the safe act!
This is nuts!! We put this together quickly but it contains our first points of contact.
Attention Monroe County Gun owners and constitutional rights advocates.
Now is the time to voice your opinion, now is the time to be heard!
Several counties are making efforts to take a stand against the SAFE act. The latest is Erie county, if they can, we can
to!
Monroe may be blue on paper but we have some of the best Permit laws in NY, no approved amendments, no extra classes and
best of all no restrictions! Not to mention Our sheriff has come out against the SAFE act, and now it's time to move
forward!

Make your voice heard!

====================================================
This is what I am doing and what I suggest you do.
====================================================
A) Email them that is easy (Template below)
B) Then fax
D) As you fax print 3 or 4 of those, put in an envelope and send the actual letters.
C) Then call them one by one.


Points of contact:

1:

Anthony J. Daniele(R), Majority Leader
10th District–Brighton, East Rochester, Pittsford
31 Monroe Avenue, Pittsford, NY 14534
Phone: (w) 585 753-1922; (h) 585 271-1111
monroe10@monroecounty.gov

2:

http://www2.monroecounty.gov/executive-index.php

This page contains the email addresses and phone number for Maggie Brooks and others.
Start emailing, start calling and remind them that they work with and for all of us residents!

Here is the list to Email.


Maggie Brooks
countyexecutive@monroecounty.gov

Anthony J. Daniele(R)
monroe10@monroecounty.gov

????
monroe12@monroecounty.gov

William Napier
williamnapier@monroecounty.gov

Joe Rittler
jrittler@monroecounty.gov


Send your own note if you can but if not here is the template.

Subject: Repeal the NY SAFE ACT!


Dear Mr XXXXXXX,

As many Responsible Firearm Owners who are also the People of New York State, that is, the natural persons lawfully
residing within this state, do hereby order and direct, our local representatives, The governor and the senate to
immediately repeal the NY SAFE act of 2013.
This is not a request or a demand, but an order and directive, as it is unlawful, null and void, being in direct
opposition to the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of New York Civil Rights –
Article 2 – § 4.

This is the will of the people, and as you are our duly appointed representatives, you will see to it that our will is
carried out.
The RIGHT to keep and bear arms is the RIGHT of all the people. This RIGHT is not subject to registration. Registration
means surrendering our lawful RIGHT in exchange for permission, which may or may not be granted, or can be taken away,
at the behest of the magistrate. This goes beyond infringement or diminishing our RIGHT. It is direct violation of the
very principle upon which this RIGHT was declared in our constitution.

Our founding fathers came from a European tradition in which only the nobility and chivalry had the right to keep and
bear arms, and the peasantry had no such rights, but may be awarded the privilege if his lord saw fit. Our nation was
founded upon the principle that We the People are the sovereign kings and queens of this land, and as such all people
are as nobles, that there shall be no peasants, and you, duly appointed representatives, are charged with the task of
carrying out our will. So the principle of the right to keep and bear arms predates the advent of the firearm, let alone
the semi-auto-loading types, and this principle does not change with the emergence of new technology.

The NY-SAFE act is irrational and irresponsible and leaves the People of Monroe County and this State totally exposed.
The only ones who benefit from this law are the Governor who wanted to beat President Obama to the punch and the
criminals who will have the upper hand should a honest citizen need to use a firearm for personal protection against
those well armed criminals.

Sincerely Yours,
XXXXXXXXX

hso
February 16, 2013, 11:25 AM
Good info here for New Yorkers http://nysecond.org/

While not actually part of the impeachment process in NY this site is well done. http://impeachandrewcuomo.com/

Billy Shears
February 16, 2013, 11:39 AM
(I originally started to post this in the "Impeach Cuomo" thread, but it was locked before I hit the post button)

Rather than waste time and effort in a lost cause, like trying to get Cuomo impeached, I think people's efforts would be better spent in trying to get the major gun companies to boycott NY, and any other state that passes such draconian laws. Some companies have already joined Olympic Arms in boycotting NY http://www.ncgunblog.com/new-york-boycott/. And people are trying to persuade SIG, Glock, and S&W, who among them have the lion's share of the law enforcement business in America today, to join in. Focus on getting these companies (and Colt couldn't hurt either -- they don't supply many handguns to cops anymore, but a lot of the patrol rifles riding around in squad cars today are Colt AR carbines) to sign on.

This will be extremely difficult to persuade them to do. I am sure a lot of their money comes from these law enforcement sales, and they'll be reluctant to essentially amputate that part of their business. It will have to be sold to them as an example of putting long term profitability over short term profit. To begin with, New York is only a single state, so while the loss of that state's business will be felt (especially NY city), they still have the rest of the country's law enforcement to build on. But more importantly, they need to do something to persuade other states not to follow NY's example (California recently boasted its about to outdo NY for the title of "state with the most restrictive gun laws", and New Jersey, Michigan, Connecticut, and other states look like passing stricter legislation as well). Make it clear this is in their long-term interest to get into this fight. After all, there was once a thriving firearms industry in Britain. It's almost completely gone now, largely as a result of increasingly restrictive gun laws there destroying that industry's domestic market. If New York succeeds in getting this law on the books and keeping it there, and other states follow NY's example, a huge chunk of these companies' domestic marketplace will be legislated out of existence, thus depriving them of much of their profits. It's time for them to consider what their profitability is likely to be 20, 30, 50 years from now if this trend is allowed to progress. They may want to take a little hit now for the sake of saving their future viability. An ounce of prevention, after all, is worth a gallon of cure.

Let's try and persuade them.

Tom from WNY
February 16, 2013, 04:49 PM
To thost posting on the High Road who wish to help New York Firearms owners:

This is a letter I have been sending to manufacturer's of AR-15's and handguns that can accept a magazine of 10+ rounds. Feel free to modify and send as appropriate.

I am a law abiding New York State firearms owner and taxpayer. I do not appreciate that the Government of my State is making me a criminal; especially to serve the venial, pernicious ego of some of our politicians.

In the SAFE act, there were no provisions for transfer of "large capacity ammunition feeding devices" or possession of same by Law Enforcement. After April 15, 2013, it will be illegal to sell a magazine holding more than 7 rounds in NYS.

As a law abiding gun owner in New York State, I cannot, in good consciousness, support purchasing any product from any manufacturer who:

A) Does not immediately cease to ship to New York State any magazine of greater than 10 round capacity. Cease shipment of magazines of 7-10 rounds after April 15. Standing contracts signed prior to January 14, 2013, for magazines holding more than 10 rounds for law enforcement firearms should be filled in accordance with contract terms; as well as exempting sales to Federal Agencies. This applies across the board; civilian and law enforcement sales.

B) Continues to ship handguns for any reason, including law enforcement sales, to New York State capable of accepting a magazine holding more than 7 rounds. Again, exempt current standing contracts in force prior to January 14, 2013 and Federal sales.

C) Does not immediately cease shipment of any rifle or carbine that meets the NY definition of an assault rifle to New York State for any reason, including law enforcement sales. Again, exempt standing contracts in force prior to January 14, 2013.

When the laws are changed to allow us, law abiding New York citizen firearms owners, to retain our pre-9/13/1994 (Federal AWB) magazines without criminal penalty and have new 10 round or 10+ round magazines that we can load and carry, then, by all means, please ship full capacity magazines and handguns, with proper restrictions and legal disclaimers.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. While this may seem like an odd request, we, in New York appreciate the support of those in industry who see our situation.

Trust me when I tell you, this gets effect if you send it to the corporate officers. You get phone calls.

This has been sent and is being used by members of my Gun Club; the club is in WNY. If we, as a NATIONAL 2A community stand together, we can beat all legislaiton.

1stmarine
February 16, 2013, 08:28 PM
To thost posting on the High Road who wish to help New York Firearms owners:

This is a letter I have been sending to manufacturer's of AR-15's and handguns that can accept a magazine of 10+ rounds. Feel free to modify and send as appropriate.

I am a law abiding New York State firearms owner and taxpayer. I do not appreciate that the Government of my State is making me a criminal; especially to serve the venial, pernicious ego of some of our politicians.

In the SAFE act, there were no provisions for transfer of "large capacity ammunition feeding devices" or possession of same by Law Enforcement. After April 15, 2013, it will be illegal to sell a magazine holding more than 7 rounds in NYS.

As a law abiding gun owner in New York State, I cannot, in good consciousness, support purchasing any product from any manufacturer who:

A) Does not immediately cease to ship to New York State any magazine of greater than 10 round capacity. Cease shipment of magazines of 7-10 rounds after April 15. Standing contracts signed prior to January 14, 2013, for magazines holding more than 10 rounds for law enforcement firearms should be filled in accordance with contract terms; as well as exempting sales to Federal Agencies. This applies across the board; civilian and law enforcement sales.

B) Continues to ship handguns for any reason, including law enforcement sales, to New York State capable of accepting a magazine holding more than 7 rounds. Again, exempt current standing contracts in force prior to January 14, 2013 and Federal sales.

C) Does not immediately cease shipment of any rifle or carbine that meets the NY definition of an assault rifle to New York State for any reason, including law enforcement sales. Again, exempt standing contracts in force prior to January 14, 2013.

When the laws are changed to allow us, law abiding New York citizen firearms owners, to retain our pre-9/13/1994 (Federal AWB) magazines without criminal penalty and have new 10 round or 10+ round magazines that we can load and carry, then, by all means, please ship full capacity magazines and handguns, with proper restrictions and legal disclaimers.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. While this may seem like an odd request, we, in New York appreciate the support of those in industry who see our situation.

Trust me when I tell you, this gets effect if you send it to the corporate officers. You get phone calls.

This has been sent and is being used by members of my Gun Club; the club is in WNY. If we, as a NATIONAL 2A community stand together, we can beat all legislaiton.
That is very good. Thanks for sharing guys. All Sheriffs are with us and most LE agencies as well. This nonsense law is an illegal law, even judges have been outspoken about these facts and that is why they are going to loose but we have to keep pushing hard.

1stmarine
February 16, 2013, 08:29 PM
Something that impacts all states....

Reps. Stockman & Broun circulate letter to KILL ALL GUN CONTROL

We also deserved a vote, Mr. Obama, but we didn't get it from Harry Reid!
Stockman, Broun answer the call to KILL ALL GUN CONTROL in the House

Note to Barack Obama: Spare us the snide sarcasm and the dripping contempt. Obama's condescending state of the union speech shows, once again, why gun owners don't trust him.
"They deserve a vote," hollered Obama, pointing to drooling anti-gun activists in the galleries.

Well, so did we.

Veterans deserved a vote on whether they would receive due process from a court of law before having their constitutional gun rights taken away. But, when Senator Chuck Schumer threatened to filibuster the DoD authorization bill in order to block that amendment, it didn't happen.

Gun owners deserved a vote on Sen. John Thune's reciprocity legislation -- allowing concealed carry holders to carry their firearms from one state into another. But Democratic Leader Harry Reid made sure each controversial bill coming before the Senate was filled with the maximum number of allowable amendments, so Thune's amendment couldn't be offered.

Gun owners deserved a vote on appropriations language to block 16,000 IRS agents from imprisoning those who refused to comply with the anti-gun ObamaCare law. But Reid carefully manipulated the Senate rules to insure the ObamaCare-related votes were kept to a minimum.

From responsible budgeting to gun rights, Reid's office became the graveyard for votes on issues of interest to conservatives.
Reps. Stockman & Broun circulate letter to KILL ALL GUN CONTROL
So what can gun owners do? We can create a groundswell of support for what Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX) is doing in the House.
Rep. Stockman has just told GOA that he and Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) will be circulating a letter asking the House leadership to refuse to bring up anti-gun legislation that is NOT supported by a majority of the Republican members of the House of Representatives.
Stockman’s effort could potentially kill ALL GUN CONTROL in the House.
We know, we know. We believe that gun control should die if only one constitutionalist-representative opposes it -- or even if none do. But, as a practical matter, if 117 congressmen sign a letter demanding that Boehner not bring up a gun control bill opposed by those 117 congressmen, gun control will die. Without that letter, Democrats will join with anti-gun Republicans, and gun control will pass.
ACTION: Contact your Representative and urge him or her to cosign the Stockman-Broun letter. Please note that there are two different action responses for you to send, and the system will automatically send that response, depending upon whether your congressman is a Republican or Democrat.
Sign it ,spam it, pass it on

http://capwiz.com/gunowners/issues/alert/?alertid=62408466

1stmarine
February 27, 2013, 10:52 PM
State Supreme Court wants NYS to show good cause that gun law is constitutional!


If you are having trouble viewing this message, go here: http://t.congressweb.com/w/?QGUAYALPGE
Beginning in January we started calling, emailing, faxing and writing.

We have called written and emailed at every turn. The SAFE Act still passed.

The Governor sent out the State Police to sell the SAFE Act with little advance warning.
We mobilized and attened these Spin Sessions with Standing Room Only!

We mobilized for County Meetings and the resolutions began passing in county after county.A map of the counties passing resolutions is a deafening statement of how we feel about our friends in Albany and their actions.

Time and time again we mobilized and rallied but we were constantly ignored or dismissed as what the Media calls the "vocal minority"

It has been 6 weeks of chaos culminating with a huge rally tomorrow.

Well there are two breaking stories that offer some good news for all of our efforts.

1.) Listen to Assembly Representative David DiPeitro on the radio with Tom Bauerle in Buffalo today.

http://audio.wben.com/a/71558139/bauerle-with-david-dipietro.htm (http://audio.wben.com/a/71558139/bauerle-with-david-dipietro.htm)

Cuomo will now be hindered by Sheldon Silver,but the courts may give them both a way out.


2.) New York State has until April 29 to respond or else an injunction will be issued.

State Supreme Court wants NYS to show good cause that gun law is constitutional

By NEWSChannel 2 Staff (http://www.wktv.com/news/local/State-Supreme-Court-wants-NYS-to-show-good-cause-that-gun-law-is-constitutional-193664911.html)

Story Created: Feb 27, 2013 at 5:18 PM EST (http://www.wktv.com/news/local/State-Supreme-Court-wants-NYS-to-show-good-cause-that-gun-law-is-constitutional-193664911.html)

Story Updated: Feb 27, 2013 at 5:18 PM EST(http://www.wktv.com/news/local/State-Supreme-Court-wants-NYS-to-show-good-cause-that-gun-law-is-constitutional-193664911.html)

BUFFALO, N.Y. (WKTV) - The Buffalo-based attorney who is spear-heading a lawsuit against Governor Andrew Cuomo's recent gun laws said that Wednesday was "monumental," as a State Supreme Court Justice issued an order requiring New York State to show good cause that the law is constitutional.


New York State has until April 29 to respond or else an injunction will be issued.

On Thursday, thousands are expected in Albany to rally against the Governor's gun laws. Many are looking to preserve local jobs at places such as Remington Arms, while others say they are just citizens who feel that their Second Amendments are being infringed upon.

See you all in Albany tomorrow!

This is not a victory yet but it is some good news for all of us and we really need some good news.

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1stmarine
March 4, 2013, 10:59 PM
We need you help to stop the president's attempts to destabilize the check and balances introducing the most anti-2A judicial nominee in history.

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C0untZer0
March 4, 2013, 11:38 PM
I can identify with it being chaotic

It's because its a fight.

It's like Mike Tyson said"

Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth

1stmarine
March 18, 2013, 05:47 PM
Happy St.Patricks Day New York!!!!

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/734228_132453166936468_720025775_n.jpg

ThorinNNY
March 18, 2013, 06:31 PM
Looking better (greener) all the time.

Tom from WNY
March 18, 2013, 11:07 PM
I'm beginning to think the time has come for the United States to become 51. For sure, I'd support it.

1stmarine
March 19, 2013, 12:24 AM
Mr. Tresmond needs some likes. Lets give him some likes. Please share all over.


http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tresmond-Law/149433465214770


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1stmarine
March 21, 2013, 10:09 PM
NYSRPA Suit has been filed!!

I read the entire suit and it is a solid piece like Mr. Tresmond's one. Even if you are not in NYS I suggest you read it because it provides some very interesting information that can be used in other states
where the constitution is also being raped as we speak. Feinstein talks about "assault things" and "weapons of war" and all that sensationalist baloney but they are the true criminals using NAZI
party strategies against honest Americans.

Like the Tresmond's suit I am not expecting this to stop at the NY State supreme court. Here they all sleep in the same bed but as this moves up there are a few counts that are going to render this law unconstitutional and will be taken down in a federal judgement. So some battles will be lost and it is expected only to win the important ones.

http://www.nysrpa.org/files/SAFE/NYSRPA-SAFE-Lawsuit.pdf

Lets pray to God for justice for all.

HKGuns
March 21, 2013, 10:33 PM
I don't do facebook but I'll give him a virtual like here.

1stmarine
March 25, 2013, 02:55 PM
PBS - Second Amendment Scholar says Assault Weapons Ban Won't pass constitutional muster


Watch in youtube....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TyXcY7NJHFg

1stmarine
April 2, 2013, 09:58 PM
Judicial Watch looking into Bloomberg's illegal activities...

http://www.judicialwatch.org/bulletins/jw-probes-anti-gun-rights-group-tied-to-nyc-mayor-bloomberg/

Tom from WNY
April 12, 2013, 12:14 AM
With the recent issue of the NYSP requesting an Erie County Pistol Permit holder have his permit rescinded and surrender his handguns for the crime of being prescribed anti-anxiety medication by a qualified medical professional; this letter to the members of the Senate and Assembly is appropriate. Since the only legal way to possess a handgun in NY is to have a valid Part 400 license, this pretty much represents a confiscation of private property without due process as well as a blatant attempt to violate a Citizen's civil rights under the color of law.

Dear
I urge you to introduce a measure to repeal the NY SAFE Act and reopen the discussion regarding restricting criminal access to firearms, with a goal of designing meaningful laws. Prior to that, there were enough laws to adequately address the issue of illegal firearms usage.

Recent events regarding the “mistake” made by the New York State Police regarding rescinding a Erie County resident’s Pistol License have only served to convince me and other New York residents that this legislation, conceived in secrecy and voted on without proper debate and commentary by subject matter experts, is so deeply flawed that only a repeal will fix this issue. It is full of technical errors regarding categorizing firearms. It has created expenditures that the State can ill afford to fund, duplicating regulations and systems that are already in place. It usurps the authority of the Courts to determine the issue of Part 400 licenses as required by that legislation. It also imposes penalties that are disproportional to the actual “crime” committed.

And, now we have seen that one of the cornerstone principles of this act, the Mental Health provisions, is severely flawed and subject to abuse by unqualified persons. If the chain of events regarding the recent attempt to rescind the pistol license of an Erie County resident is true; the actions of the New York State Police amount to effort to deny the civil rights of a law-abiding citizen, who was under treatment by a qualified medical professional, under the color of law. The aftermath appears to be a blaming exercise that is worthy of a group of pre-school age children, yet the accused is still required to expend financial resources to pay an attorney, take time off from his job, and suffer public contempt. Is this what the Government of New York intends for it’s vetted law-abiding Citizens to be exposed to for exercising their Second Amendment rights?

Most importantly, the SAFE Act has stripped law abiding New York citizen firearms owners of their property rights and criminalized the possession of previously legally owned property. The fact that all but 2 Upstate New York County Legislatures and multiple Towns and Villages have adopted resolutions condemning both the process and the language of the law, along with the New York State Sheriff’s Association, the New York State County Clerk’s Association and the New York State Association of Counties should be evidence that this is bad law and must be repealed.

Government only is legitimate when it has the respect and trust of the governed Citizens. The SAFE Act, along with recent legislative actions, has eroded this trust and respect to the degree whereby a majority of Citizens of this State no longer believe we are living under a legitimate rule of law made by reasonable persons. Furthermore, the recent actions of the New York State Police have also embarrassed this once premier agency; causing a loss of confidence by the Citizens in it to be a fair and professional Law Enforcement agency. It now appears that the New York State Police have become a political tool of the Governor’s Office.

We, the Citizens of New York State want our Government to govern with respect for our rights, in a responsible manner, with respect for law and the procedures of a Constitutional Republic. We expect no less of our elected representatives. While I realize you initially voted against the SAFE Act, the work of governance requires continued efforts to represent us. Restoration of that respect would entail introducing measures to repeal the SAFE Act and thoroughly investigate the actions of the State Police with a goal of preventing such abuses from occurring again.

I only support those elected representatives who support my interests.

1stmarine
April 12, 2013, 02:49 AM
Very nice letter.
We need to keep sending them and faxes and calls non-stop.
I am into frying faxing machines and lines from calling every chance I get.

Tom from WNY
April 12, 2013, 03:45 PM
And from information presented from credible sources on Tom Baurele's program on WBEN this morning, it was more than a blatant attempt.

More like conspiracy to deprive. Hour 1 of the program:

http://www.wben.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=6326245

Hour 2 is positively chilling; I am positively enraged:

http://www.wben.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=632626

This is not the United States of America my predecessors defended in WWII. If one Uncle were alive today (and Uncle was an American who believed in right and wrong), well, just what would you think a soldier who served in the 82nd Airborne during the Battle of the Bulge would do?

Still Shooting
April 12, 2013, 04:41 PM
So, I go to the link for "Audio 2" and it tells me the "audio is unavailable" ??

morcey2
April 12, 2013, 05:34 PM
So, I go to the link for "Audio 2" and it tells me the "audio is unavailable" ??
That part of the program was done in a combination of Braille and sign language.

1stmarine
April 13, 2013, 01:27 AM
Tom,
Many people including myself want this repealed ASAP but IMO the longer this non-sense stays in place the better because the law is so absurd, irrational and arbitrary that severe mistakes will continue to be made like this one.
This is providing amazing amount of legal ammunition to take this down in the important legal battles.
So Cuomo is not feeling the heat big time. On on side the political corruption downstate (where the NY hemorrhoids reside) and then this crime against the civil liberties, the state and federal law and the constitution.
Cuomo and his gang are under investigation now from several ends.
more to come.

1stmarine
April 18, 2013, 05:27 PM
Senators Ball's Press Release regarding some of the illegal activities the NYS Governor and his gang have been doing...

http://www.nysenate.gov/press-release/senator-ball-cuomo-president-act-confiscation-begins

ratt_finkel
April 22, 2013, 01:31 AM
Just finished reading all of this 1stmarine. It really is a shame what law makers are rolling out. I have not been able to follow all of these changes as intensly as I would like. But I salute you and the other NYS gun owners taking a stand. Wish you guys the best!

PS there is plenty of room here in TX ;)

Ash
April 22, 2013, 07:59 AM
You know it was low and underhanded based solely on the speed in which it was passed. The antis had their bill ready (they always have it ready) and they rammed it through before anyone really had a chance to talk about it.

As for the guy who was wrongly confiscated...I wonder how long before he gets hist stuff back? Due process?

1stmarine
April 26, 2013, 01:06 PM
Aside from other leaked news here the finally released documents after the NYS fiasco and clear proof of their illegal activities.
The only way they could know that (read below) at the time was by tapping into the medical records that are protected by federal law. That law that they violated by the Governor and the Police Superintendent.
Now they subpoenaed medical records which IMO is not technically legal still as there is no evidence so IMO all they are trying to do is to see if this move will cover their tukuses that they
are going to get hammered in court by the upcoming civil rights suits. Actually the person referred is a man who was on a mild antidepressant and never had any issues with the law and is a honest
hardworking citizen. His doctor was petrified they actually considered him a threat of any kind. Now everyone is saying this was a big mistake after exposing his personal information, confiscating his
firearms legally owned, cancelling his pistol permit and making him suffer the consequences of this illegal laws and media circus. Now the County doesn't want to be sued and for a good reason because they
are going to loose. Please pass along. We need to put this governor and his gang in jail.

http://www.wben.com/pages/9623354.php?contentType=31&contentId=3044&pid=313528


http://imgsrv.wben.com/image/wben2/UserFiles/File/GunDocuments.pdf

1stmarine
April 26, 2013, 02:31 PM
I thought this was appropriate here....

Why We Can't Have A "Reasonable Discussion" On 2A
The Market Ticker ® - Commentary on The Capital Markets
Posted 2013-04-25 22:51
by Karl Denninger
in 2ndAmendment

Why We Can't Have A "Reasonable Discussion" On 2A


The other night I got into a twitter-flamefest with Dylan Ratigan on, you guessed it, guns.

He tweeted something about The Senate and "reasonable" gun control and I went after him. He responded and the game was on. You can back through my timeline (as Tickerguy) and have a look if you want.

The conversation quickly degenerated when he started with the "So you're for private ownership of nukes, right?" crap and "The Second Amendment was written in a time of muskets, so that's what it covers" nonsense.

I retorted with "So the First Amendment is about movable type, paper and ink -- hand-driven -- right?"

Ah, no answer.

Didn't think I'd get one, by the way, so rather than keep hammering that I instead pointed this out the following (and it took three tweets to do it @ 140 characters each):

The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution (no government can give what it does not have)

2A recognizes the fundamental human right to self-defense, irrespective of the attacker's identity.

The Bill of Rights PROTECTS Rights, it does not GRANT them as government NEVER HAD THEM TO GRANT.

This is why we can't have a "reasonable" debate on this point with people on the other side of the debate.

They refuse to recognize these essential facts:

The Government never possessed a single right, therefore it cannot grant them. Instead, we the people granted a limited set of privileges to Government. That's what a Constitutional Republic is.

The Second Amendment is formal recognition of your, my, and everyone else's Right to Life. Since the police cannot be everywhere nor do they have a duty to prevent or stop a crime in process (and they cannot be held legally accountable if they fail to do so, never mind that even if they could dead is still dead) you have the right to self-defense which flows from your right to life.
Dylan was looking for a place to insert a wedge because he refused to debate from principle. He wanted to look for a way to play the typical media "gotcha" game but I'm too smart for that as I've been at this for 20+ years as has he. He should know, having dealt with me on the bankster issues, that he wasn't going to get away with that crap but he tried anyway -- and failed.

If you look at principle -- that is, what's embodied in the Declaration of Independence -- then there is nothing difficult in figuring out where the lines are at all. Not here, not on the First Amendment, not on the Fourth or Fifth. All are simple.

And more importantly, all lead to inescapable conclusions for virtually every case, leaving only a few uncommon circumstances to be briefed and argued in a courtroom or legislative chamber.

The First Amendment most-certainly applies to all types of speech, because speech is a component of Liberty. Government didn't give you that right (they never had it to give away), you have it because you are human. You therefore have the right to speak, but not the right to force someone to listen or to pay to amplify your speech for you. This right extends to words printed on paper using movable type, it extends to skywriting, it extends to the Internet and it extends to other forms and means of effecting speech that we have not thought of yet but will in the future. Note that this doesn't mean that you can't face consequences for your speech after the fact -- if you skywrite "Joe Schmoe is a pedophile!" and it's false Joe can sue you to beyond the orbit of Mars.

The Fourth Amendment applies in Boston to the searches of homes and what was done there is blatantly unconstitutional and as a consequence is a crime under 18 USC 242 (and is civilly actionable under 42 USC 1983.) The so-called "law enforcement" people who committed those searches and seizures under duress without a warrant violated the law. Period. This is true irrespective of the means by which such is done because The Fourth Amendment does not grant you the right to be secure in your papers and effects, you have that right because it is an essential element of liberty; the freedom to possess privately-obtained property through the fruits of your labor without it being rifled through or stolen by anyone, including government agents, except under due process of law where probable cause exists to believe you have personally committed a crime. Again, there are logical exceptions -- if a police officer personally sees a fleeing felon he is chasing enter your residence he can follow him onto your property without a warrant. But what he can't do is guess.

The Fifth Amendment likewise attaches to the actions in Boston and also gives rise to criminal liability under 18 USC 242 to the extent that anything was seized, no matter how momentarily, without a warrant. Again, The Fifth Amendment is not a grant from government it is recognition of your fundamental liberty interests that vested in you at birth.

And finally, The Second Amendment protects your right to exercise self-defense against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that could reasonably be expected to attempt to unlawfully deprive you of your life. It is again not a grant from government either of a right or a privilege because government never had this to give.

The Declaration called forth where your right to life came from -- your creator. In other words, you have that right because you're human just like you have the right to liberty and pursuit of (but not guarantee of attainment of) happiness.

All the answers to "where is the line?" come easily and logically when you debate from principle instead of playing games. The Second Amendment therefore protects your right to keep and bear any arms that might be reasonably used in the present time for the purpose of defense of yourself or those in your charge, voluntarily or otherwise, against any reasonable threat of death or serious bodily harm by any reasonably-foreseeable malefactor who would take your life or liberty unlawfully from you.

It is therefore quite clear that you may keep and bear any gun which you are able to carry and deploy as a single individual because murderous marauders sometimes attack in packs, sometimes are jacked up on drugs and often are capable of physically overpowering you. Attackers also often keep coming even when hit in places that ultimately will be fatal; that the assailant will die from acute lead poisoning is of no value to you if he kills you first. Yes, this means you may keep and bear, under The Declaration's statement of your rights, a machine gun. Yes, this includes a gun with a "silencer" (which really doesn't make it silent.) Yes, it includes a gun with a 10, 20, 30 or 100 round magazine -- or ten of them. Yes, it includes a concealed pistol. Yes, 2 guns. Yes, if I (or someone else) invent one, a Star Trek Phasor. Yes, 100 guns and as much ammunition as you care to buy and store should you so choose; although you can only shoot two at a time (unless you're from Mars and have six hands) there may be others in your care, custody or association that could use them in the event of a need of defense when they are in your company.

Now let's look at the "nuke" argument that the left loves to trot out.

Is there a reasonable argument to be made that a person possessing a nuclear device would have reason to use it under any rationally-foreseeable circumstance that would be deemed, in full totality of the circumstance in hindsight, self-defense?

I can't come up with the circumstances under which that would apply, despite putting a fair bit of mental effort into it.

We answered the question with logic, didn't we?

So where's the line?

Let's apply logic and your right to life as the guideposts.

If there are no MS-13 gangs coming into the country with armored vehicles, then I don't need an anti-tank rocket. If there is no permanent Army with tanks on American soil, then I don't need one for the eventuality that our government may go rogue and try to blast me with one. If there are no drones based in, located in, or flying over American cities then I don't need defensive devices that can shoot them down, disable their weapons or jam their communications. And before you say "but the government would never do that" please go ask the question of the 6+ million dead Jews who would beg to differ with you, or if you prefer you may pick on the dead Armenians, Soviets, Chinese, Guatemalans, Ugandans, Cambodians or Rwandans -- and that's just in the last 100 years or thereabouts, totaling something like 80 million people or several times as many as were killed in all the wars of the 20th Century combined.

By the way -- The Constitution prohibits standing Armies -- it prohibits an appropriation spanning more than two years for the purpose of raising an army. On the other hand the Constitution explicitly permits forming and funding a standing Navy.

Guess why? Because that ties in directly to the people's right to life; a Navy is used to protect vessels at sea and the coastline and has by its nature rather limited inland reach.

That our government has wantonly and illegally violated its own founding documents doesn't change a thing. But it does change what's covered by the Second Amendment if you debate from the principles that founded this nation and are embodied in The Declaration, and the items covered by the Second Amendment are directly linked to our government's own voluntarily-taken actions.

All of the other so-called "tough questions" are likewise answered by looking to principle, and at the same time we solve, to a large degree, our crime problems.

Like, for example, this question that left loves to run:

Does a felon have a right to life? Yes, under The Declaration. During the time he or she is incarcerated The State takes responsibility for that life and is duty-bound to protect it. During the time he or she remains under supervision that duty and responsibility remains with The State. However, upon satisfaction of that person's "debt to society" they still have a right to life, which means that no law impairing their ability to defend themselves, post-discharge, is Constitutional!

But what about the bad guys, you ask?

That's simple, but we don't want to talk about it. In particular the liberals don't want to talk about it, because they're largely responsible for the dangerous animals prowling our streets.

If you are dangerous to others, as determined under due process of law, whether by reason of criminal activity or mental defect, the proper place for you is in an institution where your right to life remains but the duty to protect it is transferred to the state. At the same time since you have demonstrated (under due process of law) that you're dangerous to others you must be removed from having the ability to do that harm to others because their right to life trumps your asserted but non-existent right to murder,******or rob.

We could have prevented the shooting in upstate NY of several firefighters if we had not let the shooter out of prison after he killed his grandmother with a hammer. Likewise, most of the other murders are committed by people with violent criminal pasts. Yes, there is the exception, but it's exactly that -- an exception.

In fact, that's the history of "crime reporting" in this nation. The gang-bangers who shoot up people in Chicago literally every day rarely make the news, but the occasional nut is front-page news for weeks, despite the fact that the 20 people the nut kills are surpassed in less than a day by the thugs. Our media doesn't talk about the thugs because if we do we must face that we keep letting them out of prison with full knowledge that they are dangerous predators. Neither the media or politicians want to deal with this fact and so we bury it on page 15 -- if it gets mentioned at all.

How about private property? If I own property I may ban the keeping and bearing of arms upon it. I therefore may post signs demanding that you not bring guns into my store, theater or other place of business. I may also prohibit them in my home. The choice is mine, not yours. But on public property, where the people all have an equal right to be, they also have no obligation to give up their right to defend their life in order to be there. Therefore any peaceable person who wishes to have a firearm with them in a public park, on a beach, in their car on the road or in a public parking lot may do so. If and only if that person commits a crime by threatening others (or worse) is there cause to remove them from the people they are threatening, and the way we do that is by arresting them and charging them with the crime. If this threat is deemed (again, under due process) to be material and ongoing then we imprison them until that is no longer the case.

It's not hard folks. We don't need a National Firearms Act, we don't need a Gun Control Act of 1968 and we don't need a Brady Law. We don't need any of the 20,000+ gun laws now on the books, none of which have stopped gun violence because the definition of a criminal is a person who ignores the law. We can (and should) keep laws that enhance punishment for a crime committed with a firearm, and perhaps even strengthen those laws as they punish conduct, not possession of a device.

I remind everyone that with some 300,000,000 guns in America and about 11,000 homicides a year 0.004% of them are used in a murder annually. In other words 99.996% of the firearms owned are not used to murder someone in a given year.

None of the firearm laws will ever be effective and all of them are direct violations of your rights no matter what a liberal, conservative, cop, mayor, governor, or a man or woman in a black robe says.

They are violations of your rights because The Constitution does not grant rights -- it is incapable of doing so because Government never had any rights to begin with and thus cannot delegate what it never possessed.

There is only one solution to violent people, whether their violence manifests due to malevolence or insanity, and that is to isolate them from society until they either rehabilitate, are no longer insane, or die. That too is a fact and no amount of arguing over this can change reality. Gun prohibition has never and will never stop someone from committing a violent felony because the problem isn't a device, it's the criminal mind.

A person who intends to do harm will find a way; you can murder with a knife, an axe, a hammer, a gallon of gasoline or a Suburban. There are more people killed with hammers, baseball bats and fists than rifles of any sort, including so-called "assault rifles", each and every year. And let us not forget that the Boston Bombers appear to have chosen to use ordinary pressure cookers and fireworks to make their bombs.

Men and women with evil in their hearts are not deterred by laws. They are only deterred by being physically restrained -- that is, locked up.

If people on the other side of this position wish to have a principled debate where one must lay foundations for their positions and questions, tracing them to fundamental rights, then I'm all for it. Bring it on and I'm willing to engage. Contact me. I'm game. Let's do it, in public view.

But if all you've got is the common media game of "gotcha" you're wasting your time among those of us who understand where our rights come from, what limited government is, and what The Constitution actually does -- and doesn't do.

That's the bottom line.

vincyr
April 29, 2013, 11:45 AM
Keep your hopes up ... Today, NYS has to prove that the NY SAFE act is Constitutional in court(not bloody likely), or face an injunction... fingers and toes crossed people... pray if you're into that, it can't hurt...

1stmarine
April 29, 2013, 04:45 PM
You bet we are praying but this has been moved to Friday I think.
Anyway lest hope the judges look at the law in a state where bankers, lawyers, judges, big shots, and politicians sleep all in the same bed together.
We'll see.

1stmarine
April 29, 2013, 04:47 PM
This is why they do not want honest citizens to have high capacity magazines.
They want to give a tactical advantage to the criminals.

Please pass along...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7F1nPSNnaBo

1stmarine
April 29, 2013, 11:14 PM
PBS poll on Federal bans. Hit it!.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/poll-2/congressional-action-on-guns/16826/

DeadMoneyDrew
April 29, 2013, 11:49 PM
94% say to leave gun laws alone, after almost 10k votes. Nice.

1stmarine
April 29, 2013, 11:58 PM
Thanks. Please post and then share all over.

ArcherandShooter
April 30, 2013, 02:08 PM
Still 94% after 15,000+ votes, and the comments are a very good read for the most part.

Truckie117
April 30, 2013, 08:30 PM
Hi
New here but I write to the "Law Makers" and this is the drivel you get back from them.

Thank you for contacting me regarding gun control legislation. Like you, I believe the right to bear arms is guaranteed by the Constitution’s Second Amendment. The recent Supreme Court decisions reinforced this fact, but I believed that this was the case prior to those decisions.

While I certainly respect the Second Amendment to the Constitution, I believe that we have a collective interest in keeping guns out of the hands of those who want to harm the innocent. I believe it is possible to strike a reasonable balance. I have long advocated for faster and more accurate background checks so legal purchasers can receive their guns quickly while ensuring criminals do not illegally purchase and possess firearms. In 2011, I proposed S. 436, the Fix Gun Checks Act to provide more funding to states to compile required background data for the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). This legislation builds on the National Rifle Association-supported NICS Improvements Amendment Act, passed by Congress in 2007. Ensuring that this information is comprehensive and up to date will protect law enforcement from criminals with illegally obtained weapons while speeding up the process for purchasing legal firearms.

You may also be pleased to know that I have successfully fought to create new opportunities for law abiding citizens to exercise their right to use guns. For example, in the 109th Congress, I secured federal money to expand the scarce hunting grounds in New York State by creating a financial incentive for private landowners to allow hunters access to their property.

Thank you for contacting me about this important issue. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if I can ever be of assistance to you on this, or any other matter.


Sincerely,

Charles E. Schumer
United States Senator

He has no regard for the Constitution only the power he has I got the same reply from his puppet Jillibrand we need to get these people out of office.

DSling
April 30, 2013, 08:56 PM
Sad to say but there are so many liberals that believe the hype from the media that you are in short supply in N.Y. I am sorry to say but the only help you will have there is from the courts.

1stmarine
April 30, 2013, 11:09 PM
Typical autoresponder from Chuky. They do not mention that they are failing to enforce the existing laws. The guy how killed the 2 fireman here in webster with an AR15 had murdered his grandmother with a hammer and he had acquired somehow illegal firearms. What was he doing out of jail in the first place?
That is what we need to question and leave honest citizens alone.
The next logical thing to do is in the next election to take this Chucky Schemer Schumer and show him the door.

toivo
April 30, 2013, 11:21 PM
I got one of those Chucky letters too. I responded to it, politely telling him what a hypocrite he is. No robo-response to that one.

SleazyRider
May 1, 2013, 11:50 AM
Here's a reply to an e-mail I sent to my state senator several weeks ago. I was---and remain---outraged that we New Yorkers are treated differently than other citizens, yet under the very same Constitution. This guy's a pretty good egg and he's doing his dead level best, but he's outgunned in the New York State legislative body:


"Dear (SleazyRider):

Thank you for your email correspondence regarding your concerns
relating to Governor Cuomo’s so-called “SAFE” (Secure Ammunition Firearms
Enforcement) gun legislation, Senate Bill S.2230, and your frustration that
New Yorkers are being treated differently than residents of other states,
under the same U.S. Constitution.

I share your concerns. I am hopeful that we will be able to negotiate
meaningful amendments to this flawed legislation. I will consider your
views regarding this disparity.

You may wish to sign on to my online petition in support of repealing
this law by visiting my website at www.nysenate.gov/senator-john-j-bonacic.
For specific questions relating to the law, please visit Governor Cuomo’s
website at www.governor.ny.gov.

Thank you again for taking the time to write and express your views.
If I may be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact my
office."

toivo
May 1, 2013, 12:31 PM
^ ^ ^
That. John Bonacic is one of the best friends NY gun owners have in our state government, and we don't have very many.

1stmarine
May 2, 2013, 05:36 PM
A sad yet clear representation of what the gun-grabbing radicals are achieving in their delusional game.
Pulling apart the nation until the union breaks hard and apart somewhere.
People will not give up on their fundamental rights, ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P4YNzSIk6d4

Tom from WNY
May 2, 2013, 10:36 PM
Liberal politicritters are hypocrites; they will use language to their advantage and denigrate those who demand words and ideals have meaning and precision.

Wolfsbane
May 3, 2013, 01:04 PM
This flat out ridiculous.

No one wants to give an advantage to criminals. They want to give an advantage to law enforcement over citizens.

It's moronic statements like this, made public, that aid the anti-gun movement.


This is why they do not want honest citizens to have high capacity magazines.
They want to give a tactical advantage to the criminals.

TheSaint
May 3, 2013, 08:39 PM
This flat out ridiculous.

No one wants to give an advantage to criminals. They want to give an advantage to law enforcement over citizens.

It's moronic statements like this, made public, that aid the anti-gun movement.
I disagree. The urban criminal is an important voting bloc for the Democrats, even if they'll never admit to it. It is a form of political incest if you ask me.

1stmarine
May 3, 2013, 09:03 PM
Wolfbane,
I think my comment taken out of context might not look accurate but my point is that you have now criminals that have more rights than the police and the citizens themselves. We even give citizenship's to terrorists, give them shelter, food, jobs and then they bomb us.
Those people, including the criminals will not vote for conservative agendas but I am sure might do quite the opposite. They are the main beneficiaries of these bans and senseless statutes.
In reality nobody is giving benefits to a criminal directly but indirectly they are taking advantage of the bad policy in place and everyone can see in the facts and statistics we have.
Also look at the study after the previous ban or the situation in Australia or Mexico right now.
The gun free zones are another example of irrational and reckless laws. They are officially designated criminal safeheaven areas.

I accept disagreements and corrections but keep your insults out of this otherwise positive thread. Insulting comments do not go far.

1stmarine
May 10, 2013, 11:15 PM
NJ SENATORS’ TRUE VIEW OF GUN OWNERS REVEALED BY HOT MICROPHONE FOLLOWING YESTERDAY’S HEARING


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jMptQ_YfvzE


Call the Senate Majority Office Immediately to Express Your Outrage
And Demand That Monday’s Bill Package be Held


An astute person listening to the official audio recording of yesterday’s Senate Budget and Appropriations Committee hearing noticed that the official recording continued following conclusion of the hearing. The discussion that was caught, apparently among several senators and staff, is outrageous, and reveals legislators’ true view of gun owners.


A YouTube video with an excerpt of that recording has been posted here. The following lines can be heard in the recording:


"We needed a bill that was going to confiscate, confiscate, confiscate.”


"They [gun owners] want to keep the guns out of the hands of the bad guys, but they don’t have any regulations to do it.”


"They don’t care about the bad guys. All they want to do is have their little guns and do whatever they want with them.”


"That’s the line they’ve developed.”


The discussion appears to be among Senator Loretta Weinberg (D37), Senator Sandra Cunningham (D31), Senator Linda Greenstein (D14), and at least one member of Senate Democratic staff.


This discussion can also clearly be heard at the end of the official audio recording, beginning at 1:52:30, currently available here (find Thursday, May 9 from the menu, then click "listen”). It is possible that the official recording will be sanitized following release of this alert, and the official YouTube video could be deleted, so be sure to listen to it promptly.






The discussion reveals absolute contempt for the Second Amendment and those who exercise it, as well as complete ignorance of the fact that gun rights organizations like ANJRPC have long advocated for clear and specific legislation punishing criminals who misuse firearms, instead of misguided legislation (like the bills currently being pushed by Senate Democrats) that demonizes hardware. Senator Loretta Weinberg is the chief proponent of the anti-gun legislation being moved through the Senate.


In advance of Monday’s full Senate floor vote, please immediately call AND fax the Senate Majority Office, tell them you are outraged by the misguided, disparaging, and clueless comments of those pushing the anti-gun bill package, and demand that Senate Democratic leadership hold the entire package of anti-gun bills currently scheduled for consideration by the full Senate on Monday, May 13.


SENATE MAJORITY OFFICE
Phone: 609-847-3700
Fax: 609-633-7254

1stmarine
May 17, 2013, 11:12 AM
Sheriff Howard on SAFE Act: ‘I won’t enforce it’

http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130516/CITYANDREGION/130519267/1010&template=printart

By Phil Fairbanks | News Staff Reporter on May 16, 2013 - 11:56 PM
, updated May 17, 2013 at 1:02


It’s no secret Sheriff Timothy B. Howard is opposed to New York’s new gun-control law.
But Howard, who is running for re-election this year, is now ratcheting up his opposition by filing a friend of the court brief in the lawsuit seeking to overturn the SAFE Act and, even more important perhaps, by suggesting the law not be enforced.
“I’m more than reluctant,” he said of the new law Thursday. “I won’t enforce it.”
Howard, one of four sheriffs who joined in filing the brief this week, said he considers the law unconstitutional and a waste of valuable resources, and believes it will ultimately be overturned by the courts.
The law, passed in January, is the subject of a federal court challenge in Buffalo by the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association, and others. The suit claims the law violates an individual’s right to keep and bear arms under the Second Amendment.
“The Constitution is the law of the land,” Howard said. “If you know it’s a violation of the Constitution, how can you enforce it?”
Howard said his views on the law’s enforcement are his own and he has not encouraged or discouraged his deputies to follow suit. He also indicated the district attorney has the ability to charge people with SAFE Act violations even if he and his deputies disagree,
“I don’t think we’re going to suppress evidence,” he said. “I just don’t think we’ll be actively pursuing it.”
The SAFE Act, pushed through the State Legislature following the Sandy Hook school shootings in Connecticut, included an expansion of New York’s assault weapons ban, as well as a new restriction on the size of ammunition clips. The Legislature later changed the measure back to the old standard of 10 rounds in a clip.
Howard is not the only sheriff to oppose the law – his brief was filed by the New York State Sheriff’s Association – but his stance on enforcement does put him at odds with some of his like-minded peers.
“I don’t get to pick and choose what laws I enforce,” said Putnam County Sheriff Donald B. Smith, a former president of the association. “That’s exactly why we filed the amicus brief. We need to change this law.”
Smith, like Howard, does view the SAFE Act as a step backward and a blow to law-abiding citizens, especially gun owners.
The law, he said, may prove successful in limiting the type of weapons the general public can buy, but it will have little or no impact on what drug dealers, gang members and other criminals can get their hands on.
“I actually call it the not-so-safe act,” Smith said. “Ultimately, why would we put our citizens at a disadvantage to the criminals.”
Assemblyman Sean Ryan, D-Buffalo, almost couldn’t believe his ears when told of Howard’s public stance.
“He said that?” Ryan asked incredulously. “There are all sorts of principled ways of going about this. Law enforcement officials aren’t allowed to pick and choose.
“He’s elected as the law enforcement official in Erie County, and he’s elected to enforce the laws,” he added. “If he’s not happy with the laws, he should join the legislative branch of government.”
There are some public officials across the state, however, who agree with Howard’s stance.
In March, the Schoharie County Board of Supervisors voted to defy enforcement of the new law and urged its state lawmakers to oppose any state budget proposals that include money to enforce it.
“I don’t want to see a lot of government resources spent on something that might not last,” Howard said. “If we start making criminal cases and making charges under this law, it means resources will be diverted from other things.”
Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, one of the law’s major backers, said the sheriffs’ opposition to the SAFE ACT has as much to do with politics as constitutional law.
“They’re free to litigate,” he said. “God bless America.”
He then added, “They’re politicians who run for office, too.”
Howard, who has publicly aired his concerns about the SAFE Act, including testifying at an Assembly hearing in Buffalo in February, believes the law is both illegal and impractical.
It won’t help police fight crime, he insists, and it may do just the opposite by causing law-abiding gun owners to lose trust in law enforcement. In the past, he has used words like “reckless” and “irresponsible” to describe Cuomo’s push for the measure.
In addition to expanding New York’s assault weapons ban, the new law also requires mental health professionals to report the names of patients they think are a threat to themselves or others and gives the state authority to confiscate weapons if they have them.
Mental health experts claim the provision will create a chilling effect on people who need professional help but might otherwise avoid it because their weapons might be taken away.
“I just think it’s wrong every way you look at it,” Howard said. “Excuse the pun, but the result was a shotgun approach.”
email: pfairbanks@buffnews.com

1stmarine
June 7, 2013, 06:13 PM
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CONGRATS NEW JERSEY!!!
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http://gunssavelives.net/blog/gun-laws/extremely-restrictive-nj-gun-bill-vote-fails-in-committee-democrats-embarrassed-and-confused/

DSling
June 7, 2013, 06:23 PM
I still don't understand the 50 cal law but I'm glad this happened. Y'all need to talk to people and get then on our side to help control the vote.

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1stmarine
June 7, 2013, 06:30 PM
The 50 caliber is very dangerous. Lots of robberies and crime are are being committed every year with it due to its easy concealment and portability (sarcasm).
Total crimes committed with the 50 cal last year:
Zero thousand, zero hundred, zero zero.

HD_Ride
June 14, 2013, 12:17 PM
I know this is the NY thread but just wanted to follow up to the NJ situation. This video clearly demonstrates the UNETHICAL behavior of Assemblyman Charles Mainor, the chairman of the LAW & PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. Every New Jersey resident needs to see this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7ZwQf5EZQE&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_26036&feature=iv&src_vid=Y7ZwQf5EZQE&v=rhRd-f3-KxA

1stmarine
June 14, 2013, 03:50 PM
Disgusting!!
NJ needs to get down to their doorsteps and demand a fix to this disarray.
Also everyone should keep these goons in mind during the next election.
I encourage everyone to register and then vote, no exceptions, no excuses.

I was thinking maybe we should create another thread for ALL the states specifically for the CALL FOR ACTION Situations. I did call NJ and also Nevada last week. I know some members from NYS did the same.

The forums is a great place to post when we need people to call an office or send letters or vote on a poll.

What do you think?

DSling
June 14, 2013, 06:10 PM
This may sound a little messed up to say but what about removing firearms laws from the federal level. Let each state decide their own restrictions. I believe each state will mirror many of the same laws (automatic weapon restriction). Each state should run themselves hence the United States.
It is up to the populace to control their leaders. In the long run the states that have the most restrictive laws will be the state with the lowest income and highest crime. Eventually they will fold on themselves and follow a different model that works (the other civilized states).
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom " The Firearms Act of 1920 was partly spurred by fears of a possible surge in crime from the large number of firearms available following*World War I*and in part due to fears of working class unrest in this period."
I believe this is where we sit right now. They have a fear of us and neutering is the only way the can do it.

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HD_Ride
June 14, 2013, 06:46 PM
This may sound a little messed up to say but what about removing firearms laws from the federal level. Let each state decide their own restrictions. I believe each state will mirror many of the same laws (automatic weapon restriction). Each state should run themselves hence the United States.
sure, if you are a true Constitutionalist, otherwise you are just kicking the can down the road. Now that Team Obama has so many scandals in play the WH needs some smoke and mirrors so Biden will be restarting the WH gun grab (http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/13990-biden-begin-white-house-push-for-gun-control). In the meantime NY and NJ will be fighting for your rights as well

DSling
June 14, 2013, 10:03 PM
I guess I am one. I am also out to try my hardest to make this administration a "lame duck" this term.
The focus should be to change their views. How do we get the liberals on our side or convince people to vote them out?
I'm 6/7 convincing 1 liberal a month that guns are good (that 1 said that her husband committed suicide with it so that is why she is anti).
I'm originally from NY and it is a far cry from what it was when I left there. I can't even stand visiting family.

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1stmarine
June 18, 2013, 08:57 PM
Elbert Guillory was put in a position where he could not be a Democrat anymore. A good move and wise words...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n_YQ8560E1w


We cannot ignore what has happened in the recent months. This has a huge impact in the 2A as it is also a target of the control schemes.
Mobilize at all levels unless you want this modern version of a totalitarian communist system spreading all over the USA.

1stmarine
June 19, 2013, 11:20 AM
Upcoming NY 2A grassroots events...

http://www.ny2agrassroots.com/upcoming-events/
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HD_Ride
June 21, 2013, 10:33 AM
More Bloomberg smear tactics, Boston Bombers Labeled “Gun Victims” (http://clashdaily.com/2013/06/un-american-swine-boston-bombers-labeled-gun-victims-by-bloombergs-loons/)

1stmarine
June 21, 2013, 01:03 PM
"Some of the loudest shouts came when a reader spoke the name of Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects who was killed by police during a gunfight.
"He's a terrorist," several protesters shouted."

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/06/19/gun-control-groups-list-of-victims-of-gun-violence-includes-tamerlan-tsarnaev/

1stmarine
June 25, 2013, 11:45 PM
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Bloomberg's comedy tour taking a pounding. Keep up the pressure and the good work...

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/pro-gun-supporters-outnumber-anti-gunners-2-1-at-bloomberg-gun-event-in-atlanta/
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1stmarine
June 28, 2013, 09:25 PM
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hit like and pass along....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pOE3P59PyWc
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BrokenSailor
July 4, 2013, 08:12 PM
I am done. Retired. Moving. Already looking at houses down south.

grter
August 21, 2013, 12:06 AM
I don't how to help I would if I could. I can point out that I put a significant amount of my money into target practice in New Jersey.

Money is made by toll going across the bridges in NYC and New Jersey so NYC gets a little bit of revenue from my target practice but the state of New Jersey benefits the most since that is were most of my target practice occurs.

I can not even go to a shooting range in NYC to shoot handguns without a pistol permit. In New Jersey you pay a one time fee and sign a form stating you are not a covicted felon or other prohibited person then you can rent one of their guns. When I was there the first time they asked if I had ever fired a gun and supervised me closely to ensure my safety habits were correct. I even learned a few things from the range supervisors.

In NYC they want you to go through an invasive process by voluntarily surrendering your privacy rights and answering questions that have no relevance on whether or not you are fit to own a firearm.

I am not talking about just answering irrelevant questions. They want court dispositions for violations with written explanations and I have heard stories of people having to take the City of New York to court in order to force them to stop violating their rights to own a firearm. You will have to pay the legal fees.

On top of that NYC wants a large amount of money paid to them on a regular basis for a pistol permit.

At this time New Jersey and the range I go to gets my money.

I feel I am doing my part to financially support the cause and would like to do so in NYC but my hands are tied. In this very gun owner hostile city you might as well be considered a criminal if you obtain or even try to obtain a firearms permit because that is how you will be treated by NYC the moment you apply.

I have called my local NY state representatives and they agree on a couple points I brought up concerning the ability to enjoy recreational shooting at local ranges but overall it seemed their enthusiam about the subject was less than stellar and not on the top of their to do list.

DSling
August 21, 2013, 10:02 AM
I am in New York now and have to keep everything locked up. I cannot go to the range because the guns aren't on a NYS pistol registration card. I talked to one of the guys running for office and started out completely anti-gun and he was all over it. Then I said do you understand how stupid all of this sounds and converted every point I said, he said and the girl standing next to me. His aid asked if I'm a registered voter in N.Y.and then they walked away. There was nothing they could say.

Another post tracked by the government.

1stmarine
September 21, 2013, 01:19 PM
When we sent the letters to all the Goons in Albany we got some help from other forums and people from all over including CAlifornia.
Now is the time to help them if we can. I think the more people call even from out of state the better chances. Please call, write and fax. Lets burn their hotlines and faxing machines. The email alone is easy to delete.


California is working on all kinds of bans and needs your help, if we can get a fire mission on this it would be great!! Please contact our governor and let him know how far off base this BS is!! Info borrowed from Calguns email: Governor Brown can be reached at:
Phone: (916) 445-2841
Fax: (916) 558-3160
Email web form: http://www.calguns.net/governor

SB374 - Bans the future sale or transfer of and classifies ALL semi-automatic firearms with a detachable magazine or holding more than ten rounds of ammunition as "assault weapons." Continued legal possession requires that you REGISTER and pay a FEE (TAX) on ALL your semi-autos newly classified as “assault weapons.”

AB711 - Makes California the first state to prohibit the use of all lead ammunition for hunting.

AB48 - Bans the sale of parts and repair kits capable of creating or converting a magazine to a capacity to hold greater than ten rounds.

AB169 - Limits the sale/transfer of all lawfully firearms that were never, or are no longer, on the California roster of approved handguns to two a year and redefines the technical provisions of single shot pistols.

AB231 - Expands the laws relating to firearms storage.

SB299 - Makes it a crime if a person does not report a lost/stolen firearm within 7 days.

SB475 - Would effectively ban the gun shows at the Cow Palace by requiring the approval of San Francisco and San Mateo Counties

AB180 - Repeals state firearms preemption by allowing the City of Oakland to enact gun ordinances that are more restrictive than state laws concerning the registration or licensing of firearms.

SB567 - Redefines shotguns to include any long gun with a rifled bore or a smooth bore, regardless of whether it is designed to be fired from the shoulder and bans the sale of shotguns with the revised definitions that have a revolving cylinder, and requires registration of these currently owned shotguns.

SB683 - Expands California’s Handgun Safety Certificate requirement to apply to all firearms, and prohibits anyone from purchasing or transferring any firearm without a firearm safety certificate.

SB755 - Expands the list of persons prohibited from owning a firearm, including persons who have operated cars and boats while they are impaired commonly referred to as DUI

DSling
September 22, 2013, 03:07 PM
Sounds like California needs to have a change of power. With everything that is being proposed they need to go away

Another post tracked by the government.

1stmarine
September 24, 2013, 12:00 PM
This is what happened to a guy here locally who is very active in our local forum.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/23/fed-up-ny-man-sets-up-hidden-camera-to-find-out-who-was-repeatedly-stealing-his-pro-gun-sign-what-he-discovered-blew-him-away/

He is on Glen Beck today I think.

rem44m
September 26, 2013, 01:52 PM
Dang the very person sworn to uphold. Just one more reason I love Utah.

1stmarine
September 29, 2013, 12:11 PM
Cuomo might ignore the rest of the state but he cannot hide from all this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4-tRKzZvbDo

jon_in_wv
September 30, 2013, 06:51 AM
I say we get the government we deserve. When the same idiots are elected and re-elected time and time again. The righteous fight against the laws they pass is a bit futile.

1stmarine
September 30, 2013, 10:12 AM
The problem with NY is the city area. The rest of the state we live under the tyranny of those and Albany. Imagine a very small portion of the territory where all this people can influence the voting w/o caring about the rest of the state.
Central Governments with radical and innovative ideas rarely work for the best interest of the local communities and towns all over america.
In fact the safe act has been voted down in almost every city and council but still it is state law.

mordechaianiliewicz
September 30, 2013, 01:57 PM
I know this has been said before, but the real questions everyone in NY need to ask are these: Is it time to leave? Can we actually take the government back and return it to semblance of sanity?

This applies not only to guns, but many other topics as well.

I look at my own state, for instance. Other than some arcane and stupid tax law regarding property (that is much worse if you own a business), we ain't bad.

Well.... NY has a huge amount of law that makes no sense, and shouldn't exist whatsoever. But, can it be reversed?

I have looked at the place, and I contend, no. It will have to be Detroited. Abandon it until it collapses under it's own weight, and rebuild later.

1stmarine
September 30, 2013, 04:09 PM
A competent government would need at least 2 decades of full time dedication to undo or fix all the non-sense laws we have.
Why politicians are so worry about new laws all the time and then the most basic ones are never enforced?
Arent they also responsible accountable for the follow through part?

Also they are closing down mental institutions due to the budget cuts and forcing many of those folks to enter the criminal system. Jails are 1/2 prisons and 1/2 mental institutions.

I guess they can put other measures to ensure a steady supply of crime so this way they can make their own media ammunition to support the other sides of the agendas like the race for full disarmament of the US population.

The union will break over some fundamental issues. It is just a matter of time.

1stmarine
November 4, 2013, 10:36 PM
NEWYORKERS!! MAKE SURE YOU VOTE TOMORROW.
AND ANYONE YOU CAN TRUST REMIND THEM TOO.

Here is the list form scope of Candidates that are ready to defend your most fundamental rights...

County Office LONG NAME NAME Grade Party
Albany Bethlehem Bethlehem Fred DiMaggio A R Fred DiMaggio A R
Albany Bethlehem Bethlehem Terry Ritz A I Terry Ritz A I
Albany Assembly Lopez, Peter D. A R Peter D. A R
Allegany Assembly Giglio, Joe A R Joe A R
Allegany Senate Senate Young, Catharine A R Young, Catharine A R
Broome Assembly Friend, Christopher A R Christopher A R
Broome Ron Ron Keibel A R Keibel A R
Broome Senate Senate Libous, Tom A R Libous, Tom A R
Broome Assembly Crouch, Clifford W. A R Clifford W. A R
Cattaraugus Persia Persia John T Walgus A R John T Walgus A R
Cayuga Assembly Finch, Gary D. A R Gary D. A R
Cayuga Assembly Oaks, Bob A R Bob A R
Cayuga Senate Senate Seward, James L. A R Seward, James L. A R
Cayuga Senate Senate DeFrancisco, John A. A R DeFrancisco, John A. A R
Cayuga Senate Senate Nozzolio, Michael F. A R Nozzolio, Michael F. A R
Chautauqua Celeron Celeron Pat McLaughlin A R Pat McLaughlin A R
Chautauqua Jamestown Jamestown Catharine Young A R Catharine Young A R
Chautauqua Goodell, Goodell, Andrew A R Andrew A R
Chemung Senate Senate O'Mara, Thomas F. A R O'Mara, Thomas F. A R
Chemung Assembly Palmesano, Phillip A R Phillip A R
Chemung Elmira Elmira Tom Omara A R Tom Omara A R
Clinton Assembly Duprey, Janet L. A R Janet L. A R
Clinton Senate Senate Little, Elizabeth A R Little, Elizabeth A R
Columbia Assembly McLaughlin, Steven A R Steven A R
Columbia Town Board Town Supervisor Raymond Staats A Supervisor R A
Columbia Town Board Town Board Ray Keeler A Ray Keeler A
Columbia Senate Senate Marchione, Kathleen A R Marchione, Kathleen A R
Delaware Assembly Tenney, Claudia A R Claudia A R
Delaware Senate Senate Bonacic, John J. A R Bonacic, John J. A R
Dutchess Assembly Lalor, Kieran A R Kieran A R
Dutchess Senate Senate Ball, Greg A R Ball, Greg A R
Dutchess Assembly Greg Ball A R Ball A R
Erie Assembly Kearns, Michael A R Michael A R
Erie JUSTICE JUSTICE OF THE S Paul B. Wojtaszek A R OF THE S Paul B. Wojtaszek A R
Erie Marilla Marilla Debbie Beats A R Debbie Beats A R
Erie Town Councilman Don Darrow A R Don Darrow A R
Erie Town Supervisor Earl Gingrich A R Earl Gingrich A R
Erie Assembly Schimminger, Robin A D Robin A D
Erie Assembly Corwin, Jane L. A R Jane L. A R
Erie Assembly DiPietro, David A R David A R
Erie Assembly Ceretto, John A R John A R
Erie Town Justice Dennis Freeman A R Dennis Freeman A R
Erie Senate Senate Gallivan, Patrick M. A R Gallivan, Patrick M. A R
Erie Senate Senate Ranzenhofer, Michae A R Ranzenhofer, Michae A R
Erie Assembly Gabryszak, Dennis H. A D Dennis H. A D
Erie Tim Howard A R Tim Howard A R
Erie Assembly Walter, Raymond A R Raymond A R
Erie Ted Ted Morten A R Morten A R
Erie Aurora Aurora James Bach A R James Bach A R
Erie Aurora Aurora Jim Bach A R Jim Bach A R
Erie Aurora Aurora Jeffrey T. Harris A R Jeffrey T. Harris A R
Erie Buffalo Buffalo Sergio Rodriguez A R Sergio Rodriguez A R
Erie Buffalo Buffalo Terrence D. McCrack A R Terrence D. McCrack A R
Erie Buffalo Buffalo Thomas A. Loughran A R Thomas A. Loughran A R
Erie Buffalo Buffalo Edward A. Rath, III A R Edward A. Rath, III A R
Erie Buffalo Buffalo Jennifer Sturgeion A R Jennifer Sturgeion A R
Erie Buffalo Buffalo John J. Mills A R John J. Mills A R
Erie Buffalo Buffalo Joseph C. Lorigo A R Joseph C. Lorigo A R
Erie Buffalo Buffalo Kevin R. Hardwick A R Kevin R. Hardwick A R
Erie Buffalo Buffalo Lynne M. Dixon A R Lynne M. Dixon A R
Essex Assembly Stec, Daniel A R Daniel A R
Fulton Senate Senate Farley, Hugh T. A R Farley, Hugh T. A R
Fulton Assembly Butler, Marc W. A R Marc W. A R
Genesee City of Batavia James Rosenbeck A James Rosenbeck A
Genesee City of Batavia City of Batavia Timothy Buckley A R Timothy Buckley A R A R
Genesee City of Batavia City of Batavia John Canale A R John Canale A R
Genesee City of Batavia City of Batavia James Russel A R James Russel A R
Genesee City of Batavia City of Batavia Brooks Hawley A R Brooks Hawley A R
Genesee City of Batavia City of Batavia Ward Frank Ferrando,Jr A R Ward Frank Ferrando,Jr A R
Genesee City of Batavia City of Batavia Ward Marianne Clattenbur A R Ward Marianne Clattenbur A R
Genesee Alabama&Oakfield Alabama&Oakfield Raymond Cianfrini A R Raymond Cianfrini A R
Genesee City of Batavia Ward Edward DeJaneiro,Jr A D Ward Edward DeJaneiro,Jr A D
Genesee City of Batavia Rosemary Christian A D Rosemary Christian A D
Genesee LeRoy LeRoy Rochelle Stein A R Rochelle Stein A R
Genesee Darien,Pembroke Darien,Pembroke Annie Lawrence A R Annie Lawrence A R
Genesee Batavia Batavia Eugene Jankowski Jr A R Eugene Jankowski Jr A R
Genesee F. Robert Biallowski A R Robert Biallowski A R
Genesee Alexander,Bethany,P Alexander,Bethany,P Esther Leadley A R Esther Leadley A R
Genesee Batavia,Stafford Batavia,Stafford Mary Pat Hancock A R Mary Pat Hancock A R
Genesee Bergen,Byron,Elba Bergen,Byron,Elba Robert Bausch A R Robert Bausch A R
Genesee Kristopher Kristopher Doeringer A R Kristopher Doeringer A R
Genesee Kathleen Kathleen Briggs A D Kathleen Briggs A D
Genesee Assembly Hawley, Stephen A R Stephen A R
Herkimer Assembly Brindisi, Anthony A D Anthony A D
Jefferson Assembly Barclay, William A. A R William A. A R
Jefferson Assembly Blankenbush, Kennet A R Kennet A R
Jefferson Watertown Watertown Pattie Ritchie A R Pattie Ritchie A R
Jefferson Senate Senate Ritchie, Patty A R Ritchie, Patty A R
Kings Assembly Malliotakis, Nicole A R Nicole A R
Lewis Senate Senate Griffo, Joseph A. A R Griffo, Joseph A. A R
Livingston Nunda Nunda Thomas B Baldwin A R Thomas B Baldwin A R
Livingston Ossian Ossian Domenick J Martello A R Domenick J Martello A R
Livingston Portage Portage Ivan C Davis A R Ivan C Davis A R
Livingston James James M Szczesniak A James M Szczesniak A
Livingston Sparta Sparta Mark J Schuster A R Mark J Schuster A R
Livingston Springwater Springwater Deborah J Babbitt He A R Deborah J Babbitt He A R
Livingston Town Town Supervisor Brenda Donohur A Supervisor Brend A
Livingston West West Sparta Gerad D Levey A R Sparta Gerad D Levey A R
Livingston N N Dansville Denis P Mahus A R Dansville Denis P Mahus A R
Livingston York York Gerald D Deming A D Gerald D Deming A D
Livingston Assembly Nojay, Bill A R Bill A R
Livingston Livonia Livonia Eric R Gott A R Eric R Gott A R
Livingston Lima Lima J.Peter Yendell A R J.Peter Yendell A R
Livingston Leicester Leicester Lisa A Semmel A R Lisa A Semmel A R
Livingston Groveland Groveland James C Merrick A R James C Merrick A R
Livingston Geneseo Geneseo William S Wadswort A R William S Wadswort A R
Livingston Conesus Conesus Brenda B Donohue A R Brenda B Donohue A R
Livingston Caledonia Caledonia Daniel L Pangrazio A R Daniel L Pangrazio A R
Livingston Mt Mt Morris Charles J DiPasquale A D Morris Charles J DiPasquale A D
Livingston Avon Avon David L LeFeber A R David L LeFeber A R
Monroe larkson, larkson, Hamlin, Swe Mike Rockow A R Hamlin, Swe Mike Rockow A R
Monroe Monroe Monroe County Legi Carmen F. Gumina A County Legi Carmen F. Gumin A
Monroe Parma Town Council Stan Hoy A Stan Hoy A
Monroe Parma Town Council Mark Bernreuther A Bernreuther A
Monroe Parma Town Council Supervisor Edward Arnold A Edward Arnold A
Monroe Irondequoit Irondequoit Dr. Joe Carbone A R Dr. Joe Carbone A R
Monroe Penfield, Penfield, Webster Dan Quatro A R Webster Dan Quatro A R
Monroe Greece Greece Fred Ancello A R Fred Ancello A R
Monroe Penfield Penfield Debbie Drawe A R Debbie Drawe A R
Monroe Henrietta,Pittsford Henrietta,Pittsford John Howland A R John Howland A R
Monroe Henrietta, Henrietta, Mendon, P Karla F. Boyce A R Mendon, P Karla F. Boyce A R
Monroe Greece, Greece, Rochester Rick Antelli A R Rochester Rick Antelli A R
Monroe Greece, Greece, Parma Jeffery L. McCann A R Parma Jeffery L. McCann A R
Monroe Greece, Greece, Ogden, Swed Robert J. Colby A R Ogden, Swed Robert J. Colby A R
Monroe Gates, Gates, Greece, Roche Tony Micciche A R Greece, Roche Tony Micciche A R
Monroe Fairport, Fairport, Perinton Mike Barker A R Perinton Mike Barker A R
Monroe East East Rochester, Perin Ciaran Hanna A R Rochester, Perin Ciaran Hanna A R
Monroe Chili, Chili, Henrietta, Riga Jeff Adair A R Henrietta, Riga Jeff Adair A R
Monroe Chili Chili Mary A. Valerio A R Mary A. Valerio A R
Monroe Brighton, Brighton, East Roche Anthony Daniele A R East Roche Anthony Daniele A R
Monroe ates, ates, Ogden Steve Tucciarello A R Ogden Steve Tucciarello A R
Monroe Greece, Parma Richard Yolevich A R Richard Yolevich A R
Monroe Senate Senate Maziarz, George D. A R Maziarz, George D. A R
Monroe Assembly Reilich, Bill A R Bill A R
Monroe Assembly Johns, Mark A R Mark A R
Monroe Assembly Reed, Tom A R Tom A R
Monroe Senate Senate Robach, Joseph E. A R Robach, Joseph E. A R
Monroe town board deputy highway superintende A highway superintende A
Monroe Webster Webster Carmen Gumina A R Carmen Gumina A R
Nassau Assembly McDonough, David A R David A R
Nassau Assembly Curran, Brian A R Brian A R
Nassau Assembly Ra, Edward A R Edward A R
Nassau Assembly McKevitt, Tom A R Tom A R
Nassau Assembly Saladino, Joseph S. A R Joseph S. A R
Nassau Assembly Montesano, Michael A R Montesano, Michael A R
Oneida Deerfield Deerfield Charles E. Ellsworth A R Charles E. Ellsworth A R
Onondaga Van Buren Ronald Dudzinski A R/C Ronald Dudzinski A R/C
Onondaga Town Patricia Dickman A C/R Patricia Dickman A C/R
Onondaga Van Buren Edward Van Der Wat A R/C Edward Van Der Wat A R/C
Onondaga Van Buren Douglas Foster A R/C Douglas Foster A R/C
Onondaga Van Buren Claude Sykes A R/C Claude Sykes A R/C
Onondaga Van Buren Darcie Lesniak A R/C Darcie Lesniak A R/C
Onondage Derek Derek Shepard A R/C Derek Shepard A R/C A R/C
Ontario Seneca Seneca John Sheppard A R John Sheppard A R
Ontario Canandaigua Canandaigua pam helming A R pam helming A R
Ontario Assembly Kolb, Brian M. A R Brian M. A R
Orange Woodbury Woodbury Michael Amo A I Michael Amo A I
Orange Minisink, Warwick Michael R. Pillmeier A R Michael R. Pillmeier A R
Orange Monroe, Harriman Myrna K. Kemnitz A D Myrna K. Kemnitz A D
Orange Senate Senate Larkin, William J., Jr A R Larkin, William J., Jr A R
Orange Assembly Gunther, Aileen M. A D Gunther, Aileen M. A D
Orange Warwick, Greenwoo Albert W. Buckbee, I A R Albert W. Buckbee A R
Orange Assembly Skoufis, James A D Skoufis, James A D A D
Orange Assembly Rabbitt, Annie A R Rabbitt, Annie A R A R
Orange Middletown, Middletown, Wallkill Michael D. Paduch A D C I Wallkill Michael D. Paduch A D
Orange Newburgh Newburgh PatricJ. Berardinelli, A R C PatricJ. Berardinelli, A R
Orange Port Port Jervis, Deerpark Dennis W. Simmons A R I C Jervis, Deerpark Dennis W. Simmons A R
Orange Chester, Chester, Tuxedo Daniel G. Castricone A R C I Tuxedo Daniel G. Castricone A R
Orange Newburgh Newburgh Leigh J. Benton A R C I Leigh J. Benton A R
Orange Middletown, Middletown, Chester, Thomas Pahucki A D C I #VALUE! A C
Orange Blooming Blooming Grove, Cor Kevin W. Hiens A R I Grove, Cor Kevin W. Hiens A R
Orange Crawford, Crawford, Walden Stephen Brescia A R C Walden Stephen Brescia A R
Orange Crawford, Crawford, Wallkill Roseanne Sullivan A D, WF Wallkill Roseanne Sullivan A D
Orange Greenville,Mt Greenville,Mt Hope, Melissa Bonacic A R C Hope, Melissa Bonacic A R
Orange Maybrook, Maybrook, Newburg Mike Anagnostakis A R I Newburg Mike Anagnostakis A R
Orange Middletown Middletown Jeffery D. Berkman A D C I Jeffery D. Berkman A D
Orange Blooming Blooming Grove Katie Bonelli A R C I Grove Katie Bonelli A R
Orleans County County Legislature Lynne Johnson A Legisl A
Orleans County County Legislature Henry Smith A Legisl A
Orleans County County Legislature William H. Eick. A Legisl A
Orleans County County Legislator John DePhillips A R Legislator John DePhillips A R
Orleans County County Legislature Don Allport A Legisl A
Orleans County County Legislature Dave Callard A Legisl A
Putnam Don Don Smith A R Smith A R
Putnam Assembly Katz, Steve A R Steve A R
Richmond Assembly Borelli, Joseph A R Joseph A R
Rockland Nanuet Nanuet Justin Sweet A R Justin Sweet A R
Rockland Town Town Councilman Robert Romanowski A R Councilman Robert Romanowski A R
Saratoga Jeff Jeff Gildersleeve A R Gildersleeve A R
Saratoga BALLSTON BALLSTON SPA James Tedisco A R SPA James Tedisco A R
Saratoga Assembly Jordan, Tony A R Tony A R
Saratoga Assembly Tedisco, James A R James A R
Schoharie Tony Tony Desmond A R Desmond A R
St. Lawrence Potsdam Potsdam Daniel Parker A R Daniel Parker A R
St. Lawrence Gouverneur Gouverneur Alex Mackinnon A R Alex Mackinnon A R
St. Lawrence Ogdensburg Ogdensburg Joseph Lightfoot A R Joseph Lightfoot A R
St. Lawrence Madrid Madrid Kevin Acres A R Kevin Acres A R
St. Lawrence Lisbon Lisbon Mark Aikins A R Mark Aikins A R
Suffolk Assembly Lupinacci, Chad A R Chad A R
Suffolk Assembly Zeldin, Lee A R Lee A R
Suffolk Assembly Raia, Andrew P. A R Andrew P. A R
Suffolk Assembly Fitzpatrick, Michael J A R Michael J A R
Suffolk Assembly Garbarino, Andrew A R Andrew A R
Suffolk Assembly Graf, Alfred A R Alfred A R
Tioga Martin Martin A R A R
Ulster Wawarsing Wawarsing Craig Lopez A R Craig Lopez A R
Ulster Rochester Rochester Terry Bernardo A R Terry Bernardo A R
Ulster Williamson Williamson Jim Hoffman A R Jim Hoffman A R
Ulster Palmyra Palmyra Dave Nussbaumer A R Dave Nussbaumer A R
Ulster Walworth Walworth Bob Plant A R Bob Plant A R
Ulster Sodus Sodus Steve LeRoy A R Steve LeRoy A R
Ulster Sodus Sodus Tom Putnam A R Tom Putnam A R
Ulster Savannah Savannah Mike Kolczynski A R Mike Kolczynski A R
Ulster Wolcott Wolcott Kim Park A R Kim Park A R
Ulster Galen Galen Steve Groat A R Steve Groat A R
Ulster Palmyra Palmyra Todd Pipitone A R Todd Pipitone A R
Ulster Mike Mike Jankowski A R Jankowski A R
Ulster Jim Jim Marquette A R Marquette A R
Ulster Barry Barry Virts A R Virts A R
Ulster Butler Butler Dave Spickerman A R Dave Spickerman A R
Ulster Huron Huron Laurie Crane A R Laurie Crane A R
Ulster Lyons Lyons Brian Manktelow A R Brian Manktelow A R
Ulster Macedon Macedon Bill Hammond A R Bill Hammond A R
Ulster Marion Marion Jolene Bender A R Jolene Bender A R
Ulster Ontario Ontario Robert Kelsch A R Robert Kelsch A R
Ulster Palmyra Palmyra Ken Miller A R Ken Miller A R
Ulster Arcadia Arcadia Dick Colacino A R Dick Colacino A R
Yates Mark Morris A Morris A
Yates District Attorney Valerie Gardner A V A
Yates District Attorney Jason Cook A J A
Yates James P. Multer A P. Multer A
Yates Robert N. Multer A N. Multer A
Yates Douglas Paddock A P A
Yates H. Taylor Fitch A T A
Yates Timothy Dennis A Dennis A
Yates Donald House A House A
Yates Daniel Banach A B A
Yates Leslie Church A Church A
Yates William Holgate A Holg A
Yates Steven Webster A Webster A


County Office LONG NAME NAME Grade Party
Albany Bethlehem Bethlehem Dan Cunningham C I Dan Cunningham C I
Columbia Town Board Town Board Bob Desmond C Bob Desmond C
Erie JUSTICE Mark A. Montour C D Mark A. Montour C D
Genesee BYRON BYRON PETER YASSES C R PETER YASSES C R
Nassau LD 5 - A status quo Debbie Pugliese C R Debbie Pugliese C R
Nassau LD 19 - A Steve Rhoads C R Steve Rhoads C R
Orange Highlands, Highlands, Woodbur Roxanne Donnery C D C Woodbur Roxanne Donnery C D
Richmond East East Shore Nicole Malliotakis B R Shore Nicole Malliotakis B R
Ulster Rose Rose Kenan Baldridge B D Kenan Baldridge B D

1stmarine
November 4, 2013, 10:39 PM
And Here the people who do not care about your Constitutional rights and support the SAFE ACT in NYS...
We have Several Republican Candidates (RINO) here that we need to remove from office ASAP.
Tomorrow they are going to feel the pain.


County Office LONG NAME NAME Grade Party
Albany Bethlehem Bethlehem John Clarkson F D John Clarkson F D
Albany County Legislator Alison McLean-Lane F D McLean-Lane F D
Albany Bethlehem Bethlehem Bill Reinhardt F D Bill Reinhardt F D
Albany Assembly Fahy, Patricia F D Patricia F D
Albany Assembly McDonald, John F D John F D
Albany Assembly Steck, Phillip F D Phillip F D
Albany Assembly Santabarbara, Angelo F D Angelo F D
Albany Senate Breslin, Neil D. F D Breslin, Neil D. F D
Albany Bethlehem Bethlehem Julie Sasso F D Julie Sasso F D
Bronx Assembly Serrano, Jose E. F D Jose E. F D
Bronx Senate Senate Rivera, Gustavo F D Rivera, Gustavo F D
Bronx Assembly Stevenson, Eric A. F D Eric A. F D
Bronx Senate Senate Hassell-Thompson, R F D Hassell-Thompson, R F D
Bronx Senate Senate Diaz, Ruben F D Diaz, Ruben F D
Bronx Senate Senate Serrano, Jose M. F D Serrano, Jose M. F D
Bronx Senate Senate Klein, Jeffrey D. F D Klein, Jeffrey D. F D
Bronx Assembly Sepulveda, Luis F D Luis F D
Bronx Assembly Heastie, Carl E. F D Carl E. F D
Bronx Assembly Gjonaj, Mark F D Mark F D
Bronx Assembly Gibson, Vanessa L. F D Vanessa L. F D
Bronx Assembly Dinowitz, Jeffrey F D Jeffrey F D
Bronx Assembly Benedetto, Michael F D Michael F D
Bronx Assembly Crespo, Marcos A. F D Marcos A. F D
Chautauqua County Legislator Timothy Hoyer, D-Ja F D Hoyer, D-Ja F D
Chautauqua County Legislator Bob Duff, R-Irving F R Bob Duff, R-Irving F R
Chautauqua County Legislator Paula DeJoy, D-Jame F D DeJoy, D-Jame F D
Chautauqua County Legislator Timothy Hoyer F D Hoyer F D
Chautauqua County Legislator Paula DeJoy F D DeJoy F D
Columbia Assembly Barrett, Didi F D Didi F D
Cortland Assembly Lifton, Barbara F D Barbara F D
Dutchess Senate Senate Gipson, Terry F D Gipson, Terry F D
Dutchess Assembly Cahill, Kevin A. F D Kevin A. F D
Dutchess Barbara Barbara Jeter-Jackso F D Jeter-Jackso F D
Dutchess Francena Francena Amparo F D F D
Dutchess Joel Joel Tyner F D F D
Dutchess Assembly Skartados, Frank K. F D Frank K. F D
Dutchess Steve Steve White F D White F D
Erie Assembly Peoples-Stokes, Cryst F D Cryst F D
Erie Assembly Ryan, Sean F D Sean F D
Erie Senate Senate Grisanti, Mark F R Grisanti, Mark F R
Erie Senate Senate Kennedy, Timothy F D Kennedy, Timothy F D
Erie Buffalo Buffalo Lynn Marinelli F D Lynn Marinelli F D
Erie Buffalo Buffalo Tim Hogues F D Tim Hogues F D
Erie Buffalo Buffalo Betty Jean Grant F D Betty Jean Grant F D
Erie Buffalo Buffalo Tom Mazur F d Tom Mazur F D
Genesee City City of Batavia Patti pacino F R Patti pacino F R
Genesee Pierluigi Pierluigi Cippolone F D Pierluigi Cippolone F D
Jefferson Assembly Rivera, Jose F D Jose F D
Jefferson Assembly Russell, Addie Jenne F D Addie Jenne F D
Jefferson Watertown Watertown Addie Russell F D Addie Russell F D
Kings Senate Senate Savino, Diane J. F D Savino, Diane J. F D
Kings Senate Senate Parker, Kevin S. F D Parker, Kevin S. F D
Kings Senate Senate Golden, Martin J. F R Golden, Martin J. F R
Kings Senate Senate Adams, Eric F D Adams, Eric F D
Kings Senate Senate Felder, Simcha F D Felder, Simcha F D
Kings Senate Senate Sampson, John L. F D Sampson, John L. F D
Kings Senate Senate Squadron, Daniel L F D Squadron, Daniel L F D
Kings Assembly Millman, Joan L. F D Joan L. F D
Kings Assembly Perry, N. Nick F D N. Nick F D
Kings Assembly Robinson, Annette F D Annette F D
Kings Assembly Ortiz, Felix F D Felix F D
Kings Assembly Mosley, Walter F D Walter F D
Kings Assembly Weinstein, Helene E. F D Helene E. F D
Kings Senate Senate Dilan, Martin Malavé F D Dilan, Martin Malavé F D
Kings Senate Senate Montgomery, Velma F D Montgomery, Velma F D
Kings Assembly Cymbrowitz, Steven F D Steven F D
Kings Assembly Colton, William F D William F D
Kings Assembly Brennan, James F. F D James F. F D
Kings Assembly Abbate, Peter J. F D Peter J. F D
Kings Assembly Arroyo, Carmen E. F D Carmen E. F D
Kings Assembly Barron, Inez D. F D Inez D. F D
Kings Assembly Camara, Karim F D Karim F D
Kings Assembly Hikind, Dov F D Dov F D
Kings Assembly Israel, Steve F D Steve F D
Kings Assembly Jacobs, Rhoda F D Rhoda F D
Kings Assembly Lentol, Joseph R. F D Joseph R. F D
Kings Assembly Maisel, Alan F D Alan F D
Kings Assembly Brook-Krasny, Alec F D Alec F D
Kings Assembly Espinal, Rafael F D Rafael F D
Kings Assembly Boyland, William F. F D William F. F D
Madison Senate Senate Valesky, David J. F D Valesky, David J. F D
Madison Assembly Magee, William F D William F D
Monroe Ogden Ogden Thomas Uschold F D Thomas Uschold F D
Monroe Ogden Ogden Thomas Cole F D Thomas Cole F D
Monroe Rochester Rochester Mike Patterson F D Mike Patterson F D
Monroe Irondequoit Irondequoit Joseph D. Morelle, Jr F D Joseph D. Morelle, Jr F D
Monroe Ogden Ogden Gay Lenhard F D Gay Lenhard F D
Monroe Rochester Rochester Paul Haney F D Paul Haney F D
Monroe Brighton Brighton Justin Wilcox F D Justin Wilcox F D
Monroe Rochester Rochester Willie J. Lightfoot F D Willie J. Lightfoot F D
Monroe Assembly Bronson, Harry B. F D Harry B. F D
Monroe Rochester Rochester John Lightfoot F D John Lightfoot F D
Monroe Senate Senate O'Brien, Ted F D O'Brien, Ted F D
Monroe Assembly Gantt, David F. F D David F. F D
Monroe Rochester Rochester Carrie Andrews F D Carrie Andrews F D
Monroe Rochester Rochester Tom Richards F D Tom Richards F D
Monroe Assembly Morelle, Joseph D. F D Joseph D. F D
Monroe Rochester Rochester Joshua Bauroth F D Joshua Bauroth F D
Monroe Rochester Rochester Glenn Gamble F D Glenn Gamble F D
Monroe Rochester Rochester Cynthia Kaleh F D Cynthia Kaleh F D
Nassau Assembly Schimel, Michelle F D Michelle F D
Nassau Senate Senate Marcellino, Carl L F R Marcellino, Carl L F R
Nassau Senate Senate Fuschillo, Charles J., F R Fuschillo, Charles J., F R
Nassau Senate Senate Hannon, Kemp F R Hannon, Kemp F R
Nassau Senate Senate Martins, Jack M. F R Martins, Jack M. F R
Nassau Assembly Lavine, Charles D. F D Charles D. F D
Nassau Senate Senate Skelos, Dean G. F R Skelos, Dean G. F R
Nassau Assembly Hooper, Earlene F D Earlene F D
Nassau Assembly Weisenberg, Harvey F D Harvey F D
Nassau Assembly Solages, Michaelle F D Michaelle F D
Nassau Assembly Slaughter, Louise Mc F D Louise Mc F D
Nassau LD 19 - Encumbent David Denenberg F D David Denenberg F D
New York Senate Senate Krueger, Liz F D Krueger, Liz F D
New York Assembly Rosenthal, Linda F D Linda F D
New York Assembly Farrell, Herman D. F D Herman D. F D
New York Senate Senate Perkins, Bill F D Perkins, Bill F D
New York Senate Senate Hoylman, Brad F D Hoylman, Brad F D
New York Senate Senate Espaillat, Adriano F D Espaillat, Adriano F D
New York Assembly Kavanagh, Brian P. F D Brian P. F D
New York Assembly Kellner, Micah F D Micah F D
New York Assembly Gottfried, Richard N. F D Richard N. F D
New York Assembly Quart, Dan F D Dan F D
New York Assembly Rosa, Gabriela F D Gabriela F D
New York Assembly Silver, Sheldon F D Sheldon F D
New York Assembly Wright, Keith L. T. F D Keith L. T. F D
New York Assembly Glick, Deborah J. F D Deborah J. F D
New York Assembly O'Donnell, Daniel J. F D Daniel J. F D
New York Assembly Rodriguez, Robert F D Robert F D
Onondaga Assembly Stirpe, Albert F D Albert F D
Onondaga Assembly Magnarelli, William F D Magnarelli, William F D
Onondaga Assembly Roberts, Samuel D. F D Roberts, Samuel D. F D
Ontario Geneva Geneva Dominick T. Vedora F D Dominick T. Vedora F D
Ontario Geneva Geneva Mary E. Luckern F D Mary E. Luckern F D
Ontario Geneva Geneva Charles Evangelista F D Charles Evangelista F D
Orange Newburgh Newburgh Harvey J Burger F D Harvey J Burger F D
Orange Cornwall, Cornwall, New Wind Christopher W. Each F D I WF New Wind Christopher W. Each F D
Orange Hamptonburgh, Hamptonburgh, New Matthew A. Turnbull F D New Matthew A. Turnbull F D
Orleans County County Legislator Gary Kent F D Legislator Gary Kent F D
Putnam Assembly Galef, Sandy F D Sandy F D
Queens Senate Senate Gianaris, Michael F D Gianaris, Michael F D
Queens Senate Senate Stavisky, Toby Ann F D Stavisky, Toby Ann F D
Queens Senate Senate Smith, Malcolm A. F D Smith, Malcolm A. F D
Queens Senate Senate Peralta, José F D Peralta, José F D
Queens Senate Senate Addabbo, Joseph P., F D Addabbo, Joseph P., F D
Queens Senate Senate Avella, Tony F D Avella, Tony F D
Queens Senate Senate Sanders, James F D Sanders, James F D
Queens Assembly DenDekker, Michael F D Michael F D
Queens Assembly Hevesi, Andrew F D Andrew F D
Queens Assembly Kim, Ron F D Ron F D
Queens Assembly Goldfeder, Phillip F D Phillip F D
Queens Assembly Simanowitz, Michael F D Michael F D
Queens Assembly Clark, Barbara M. F D Barbara M. F D
Queens Assembly Aubry, Jeffrion L. F D Jeffrion L. F D
Queens Assembly Markey, Margaret M. F D Margaret M. F D
Queens Assembly Miller, Michael F D Michael F D
Queens Assembly Moya, Francisco F D Francisco F D
Queens Assembly Nolan, Catherine F D Catherine F D
Queens Assembly Rozic, Nily F D Nily F D
Queens Assembly Scarborough, Willia F D Willia F D
Queens Assembly Braunstein, Edward F D Edward F D
Queens Assembly Simotas, Aravella F D Aravella F D
Queens Assembly Cook, Vivian E. F D Vivian E. F D
Queens Assembly Titus, Michele R. F D Michele R. F D
Queens Assembly Maloney, Sean F D Sean F D
Queens Assembly Weprin, David F D David F D
Richmond Assembly Titone, Matthew F D Matthew F D
Richmond Assembly Cusick, Michael F D Michael F D
Richmond Senate Senate Lanza, Andrew J F R Lanza, Andrew J F R
Rockland Senate Senate Carlucci, David F D Carlucci, David F D
Rockland Assembly Zebrowski, Kenneth F D Kenneth F D
Rockland Assembly Jaffee, Ellen F D Ellen F D
Schenectady County County legislate Cathy Gatta F legislate Cathy Gatta F
Schenectady County County legislate Marty Finn F legislate Marty F
St. Lawrence Potsdam Potsdam Jim Bunstone F D Jim Bunstone F D
St. Lawrence Colton Colton Scott Sutherland F R Scott Sutherland F R
St. Lawrence De De Kalb Jctn Frederick R Morrill F D Kalb Jctn Frederick R Morrill F D
St. Lawrence Gouverneur Gouverneur Donald Peck F R Donald Peck F R
St. Lawrence Canton Canton Stephen Putman F D Stephen Putman F D
St. Lawrence Ogdensburg Ogdensburg Vernon (Sam) Burns F R Vernon (Sam) Burns F R
St. Lawrence Norwood Norwood Sallie Brothers F D Sallie Brothers F D
St. Lawrence Massena Massena Gregory M Pacquin F D Gregory M Pacquin F D
St. Lawrence Massena Massena Tony Arquiett F D Tony Arquiett F D
St. Lawrence Lisbon Lisbon Jonathan Putney F D Jonathan Putney F D
St. Lawrence Helena Helena Tony Arquiette F D Tony Arquiette F D
St. Lawrence St. St. Lawrence County Jerome Richards F Lawrence County Jerome Richards F
Suffolk Senate Senate Flanagan, John J. F R Flanagan, John J. F R
Suffolk Senate Senate LaValle, Kenneth P. F R LaValle, Kenneth P. F R
Suffolk Assembly Sweeney, Robert K. F D Robert K. F D
Suffolk Assembly Hennessey, Edward F D Edward F D
Suffolk Senate Senate Boyle, Philip M. F R Boyle, Philip M. F R
Suffolk Assembly Englebright, Steve F D Steve F D
Suffolk Assembly Ramos, Phil F D Phil F D
Westchester Assembly Otis, Steven F D Steven F D
Westchester Senate Senate Latimer, George S. F D Latimer, George S. F D
Westchester Assembly Abinanti, Thomas F D Thomas F D
Westchester Senate Senate Stewart-Cousins, An F D Stewart-Cousins, An F D
Westchester Assembly Paulin, Amy F D Amy F D
Westchester Assembly Mayer, Shelley F D Shelley F D
Westchester Assembly Buchwald, David F D David F D
Westchester Yonkers Yonkers Andrea Stewart Cous F D Andrea Stewart Cous F D
Westchester Assembly Pretlow, J. Gary F D J. Gary F D

7.62 Solution
November 4, 2013, 10:46 PM
Good work, thank you

1stmarine
November 4, 2013, 11:03 PM
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Thanks!!!

IMPORTANT REMINDER!!!

....also, don't forget to flip your ballot over to vote on the amendments on the back of it!

Are we all ready and on board for tomorrow?

Paladin7
November 5, 2013, 10:54 AM
1STMARINE, Just an FYI...

Many of these NYS Assemblymen on your list are not up for re-election today. They are all up for re-election next November.

So, bottom line, go VOTE Today and we'll get the rest next NOV....

Thanks for the lists and the work you are doing, very much appreciated!

1stmarine
November 6, 2013, 08:42 PM
I know. This is kept up to date by scopeny.org.
Goto http://scopeny.org/ and here you have the links and also a mobile app.to access the latest updates.
Thanks for your support!!

HD_Ride
November 7, 2013, 05:12 PM
Snipped this from another forum:

New York State Exposed (http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S3211617.shtml)

1stmarine
November 7, 2013, 08:36 PM
Total nr of cases where the SAFE act has clearly saved lives or made anyone safer?
Total = 0.

According to LEO, sheriffs, security professionals, hunters, etc... it has done quite the opposite.

1stmarine
November 12, 2013, 08:00 PM
Video about the Safe Act.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYnDop9cA0U

22250Rem
November 12, 2013, 08:58 PM
Good video..... Thank you. Had to watch it because I was in that crowd. Went to the one at the end of Feb. and the one June 11th. Currently donating a dollar a day monthly to SCOPEPAC. First week of the month every month I get on their site and pledge as many dollars as there are days in that month. To accomplish ANYTHING with these types of people in this corrupt state it requires money. It felt good to protest but they don't listen to people like us. They love it when they drive pro-2A people out of the state.... Know why?.... Because it's that many less people left here to vote AGAINST them and their sick little NYC "good ole boys" club. Thanks again.

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