Ar trigger Timney vs. Geissele SSA Combat Trigger


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blaisenguns
January 3, 2013, 08:33 PM
I am looking into another AR build, and I want a real nice trigger on this one. I have always heard good things about Timney triggers, and at first this was going to be my route, but I found online the Geissele SSA Combat Trigger which looks amazing at about the same price. I was wondering what experience you guys have had with either of these? Also I am not sure I understand the diference between a two stage ang single stage trigger.

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backbencher
January 4, 2013, 01:18 PM
I'm betting your choice will come down to what is available, not what was available before the massacre. Buy what you can now - once things settle down a bit, you can buy what you really want, & sell the used parts on gunbroker.

blaisenguns
January 4, 2013, 02:58 PM
It kind of doesnt matter if it is availible now, becouse my lower is on a 7 month backorder anyway.

heavydluxe
January 4, 2013, 03:06 PM
No experience with the Timney, but I have fired a couple rifles with Geissele's installed (SSA, SSA-E).

They are ridiculous. Again, I can't help with a comparison, but I can assure you that you won't be disappointed.

BBBBill
January 4, 2013, 04:28 PM
Geissele are good enough that certain government organizations buy them. I have one in my gun and love it. I have not used a Timney in an M-4, but have used many in bolt guns and will again.

MtnCreek
January 4, 2013, 04:48 PM
Also I am not sure I understand the diference between a two stage ang single stage trigger.

Single stage is the typical trigger you probably grew up with. Ex: It would go from 0# to 3.5# then break. There (shouldn't) be any movement in the trigger till it breaks.

A 2 stage trigger will start to move as you pull it, then it hits a 'wall' and more force is required for the second stage. The second stage doesn't move till it breaks. Ex: Start pulling trigger. Trigger moves reward at 2#. Trigger stops and requires additional 1.5# to break stage 2.

The SSA-E is a good trigger.

velocette
January 4, 2013, 06:23 PM
I have no experience with Timney Triggers, I do have a Geissele Match 2 stage in my recently build AR. I also have two other AR rifles, one with a JP, one with a Rock River 2 stage match trigger.
The Geissele is head, shoulders, hips and ankles better than either the other two. It seems as if it almost reads my mind. Clean, crisp repeatable, are nice words, but almost don't describe well enough how good the Geissele trigger is.
A friend of mine actually insisted I try his AR with a Geissele match 2 stage.
That was all it took. Hooked like foolish bass, but I didn't even wiggle.
Adjustable from less than 2 lbs to over 4 lbs. Understand I am a target shooter with a few years of experience with target rifles and pistols. Geissele triggers are expensive - - - - and worth it.

taliv
January 4, 2013, 06:45 PM
both are reasonably quality triggers. single vs two stage is mostly preference but in theory, the 2 stage allows you to have an overall heavier pull (for safety) but still break it with a relatively small increase in weight.

for example, you might have a 4.5 lb minimum pull for CMP/NRA service rifle. but you can take up 3 lbs of that in the first stage, and have a 1.5 lb second stage so it feels like a 1.5 lb trigger.

otoh, 2 stage triggers will generally have longer pull and generally dont' reset as quick. so single stage triggers are preferred for fast shooting like 3gun.

the geissele combat trigger won't have any adjustments (i.e. screws) to come loose etc so it will be a very reliable trigger. other geissele triggers like hte high speed national match have several adjustments which make them much less reliable, but when tuned can be amazingly crisp.

i couldn't tell you if the timney you're looking at is adjustable or not.

browneu
January 4, 2013, 07:38 PM
Seven month back order. Goodness seems like a long time. I have the geissele and can second everything people are telling you.

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mizer67
January 4, 2013, 09:28 PM
I own both the SSA and a 3 lb. Timney.

If you intend to use the rifle for anything other than plinking or competition, there is only one choice, the SSA.

Timney's are prone to wearing down and doubling. They also use screws to tighten the assembly to the frame, and screws to hold those set screws in place. None of these things are 'features' I'd want on a service weapon.

The SSA is bomb-proof, and the only trigger aside from some other Geissele offerings that I would put in a serious use firearm, but I haven't had occasion to try them all, just most.

blaisenguns
January 6, 2013, 10:15 AM
You folks think the Geissele makes for good rapid shots? I am leaning towards that now.

Boxhead
January 6, 2013, 02:53 PM
I have two Geisele's, one is an SSA and the other a SSA-E. The former rides in my SHTF(?) rifle as it has a touch of creep, the other is in my hunting rifle and it is dead crisp. They are well proven designs known for their durability and reliability. I am very pleased with mine.

BoilerUP
January 6, 2013, 02:57 PM
I built my first AR, an SPRish type, just before the election. Shot well with the milspec trigger, but coming from bolt guns with 2.5lb pulls was a lot different. I caught a good sale at PSA and got the SSA-E for $187 shipped.

Very nice trigger with a short reset.

BBBBill
January 6, 2013, 03:58 PM
You folks think the Geissele makes for good rapid shots?

?????????????? What you trying to accomplish? If you just want a blaster to dump rounds, the stock equipment is more than adequate. Are you looking at a particular type of competition? Games? ....

blaisenguns
January 6, 2013, 04:08 PM
?????????????? What you trying to accomplish? If you just want a blaster to dump rounds, the stock equipment is more than adequate. Are you looking at a particular type of competition? Games? ....

Exactly what I am doing is building an M4 style rifle on a Spikes Lower, with an SR556 upper. I would at some point like to try 3 gun, or some other type of competition, but I have other guns I could use. I want to top it with an ACOG type sight, and maybe just for kicks do some long range shots. Basically I want a cool looking accurate, reliable, versatile rifle. A lot of guys I know have those bump fire stocks or some other du-dad to simulate full –auto, I don’t want that. When I shoot for fun I enjoy rapid fire. A light trigger with little creep and a quick re-set makes me about as rapid as these “toys”. That is what I have done with my AK. My current AR has a stock trigger, but it is a big thumper (50 Beowulf) so I don’t dump rounds with that thing, on my second AR I want to kind of match what I have on My AK or 1911. :D

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