Is anything being sold at normal prices right now?


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wacki
January 4, 2013, 12:18 AM
Seems like every magazine, pistol, ammo and rifle I'm interested in is out of stock.

Is there anything semi-automatic that's immune to this mad rush? How are the 1911 prices?

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TanklessPro
January 4, 2013, 12:24 AM
The only rush on prices I have seen are on semi rifles and their caliber of ammo. All other prices and stock have been normal. If you don't like the prices swap to revolvers.

au01st
January 4, 2013, 12:26 AM
Found a store with boxes of .223 for $5. I bought them all. I also bought some .40, 12ga, 9mm, and .38 for a fun day at the range.

barnbwt
January 4, 2013, 12:38 AM
I've noticed non-EBRs are about the same if not slightly depressed; my guess is many potential buyers are distracted and not bidding on "Fudd" rifles :rolleyes:. I picked up a MAS 1873 and Ithaca M37 for 150$, each, in the last week or so :cool:

Meanwhile, PS90s are over 2000$ on Gunbroker...so much for that dream:(

TCB

Arp32
January 4, 2013, 12:45 AM
I ordered a PCR at the CZ Custom shop today at lunch. It was the "normal" price, at least until I started adding options;)

Houser52
January 4, 2013, 01:09 AM
I was at the gun show last weekend and about everything I saw was normal except for ARs, magazines greater than 10 rounds and 223 ammo.
There were no reloading components at the show that I saw.

Swing
January 4, 2013, 01:32 AM
IDK, I got in well before the feeding frenzy.

winchester1886
January 4, 2013, 02:15 AM
:eek:Today I went in my local gun store and to my surprise they had a new shipment of magazines for AR 15 Magpul and Bulgaria plastic mags for AK's in 7.62x39 each was priced at $100.00.They also had a few new steel AK 30rd mags for $75.00 eash. WOW !!!

Queen_of_Thunder
January 4, 2013, 02:31 AM
I've noticed non-EBRs are about the same if not slightly depressed; my guess is many potential buyers are distracted and not bidding on "Fudd" rifles :rolleyes:. I picked up a MAS 1873 and Ithaca M37 for 150$, each, in the last week or so :cool:

Meanwhile, PS90s are over 2000$ on Gunbroker...so much for that dream:(

TCB
Try finding ammo for the 5.7 or the PS90. On a high note all of the 22 round mags I ordered for my G35 arrived today.

herkyguy
January 4, 2013, 09:14 AM
I believe we are past the first rush for ARs/AKs. My LGS has a decent stock at the moment any my preferred online gun sellers are now stocking ARs again -albeit at huge markups. I am curious to see if the rush continues.

Ammo will continue to be short, but nothing dramatic is going to happen until the AWB legislation is submitted to Congress, which could happen quickly.

I picked up a "high capacity" XDm at a good price recently, but there does seem to be less inventory in general. I am surprised that the "panic" has not spread to all firearms on Whine-stine's radar.

This is probably a good indication that the buying public is not educated enough on what the ban would actually imply.

Carl N. Brown
January 4, 2013, 09:30 AM
My wife has urged me to go to this weekend's gun show. She thinks I deserve it, and who am I to argue with her? I may go just to get a laugh at the prices some people will think they can get away with.

Or if the past is any clue, I may find something unexpected and underpriced given my esoteric tastes and oddball gun accumulation.

mcdonl
January 4, 2013, 09:45 AM
Since the frenzy began I purchased the following at regular prices:

Choate Tactical Stock
Nikon Buckmasters Scope
(2) five round magazines for my AR
2K SR Primers
2# Varget
500 Barnes Bullets (Although Grafs is about 10-14 days behind on shipping)

Keep in mind, these are just purchases I would have made anyway, not panic buying. AND most of it was on sale.

Killian
January 4, 2013, 11:19 AM
In all the local ammunition shops, including Wal Mart but also smaller sporting sports, there is no ammunition for the common calibers. .45, 9mm, .38 all gone. Few boxes of .40 and .357. 7.62x39, .223, .308 all gone. No hi cap magazines to be seen of any kind nor expected to be from what I've been told.

mgmorden
January 4, 2013, 11:21 AM
The only rush on prices I have seen are on semi rifles and their caliber of ammo. All other prices and stock have been normal. If you don't like the prices swap to revolvers.

I've seen semi-auto pistol prices jump by $50-100 on some models - its not just the rifles.

That said, during all this rush I have been tempted to pickup a bolt-action .22WMR rifle (namely the Savage 93G) which has been on my wishlist and doesn't seem to have been affected at all :).

beatledog7
January 4, 2013, 02:04 PM
Haven't you heard? We're living the new normal.

JustinJ
January 4, 2013, 02:08 PM
Friends tell me they can't even find 22 lr. Who in their right mind feels the need to horde .22 lr?

mcdonl
January 4, 2013, 02:11 PM
Local Walmart and Cabelas has .45, .308 and .223 (Although .223 is limited to 10 boxes per customer @ both stores)

I think that those in Maine who are likley to own a gun, already do. Those who are not... well.. they are not...

waterhouse
January 4, 2013, 02:13 PM
I still have a lot of "high capacity" pistols being transferred, and people seem to be getting them for reasonable prices. I guess with all of the "assault rifle" panic, lots of folks are still able to find Glocks, Sigs, Hi-Powers, etc.

Who in their right mind feels the need to horde .22 lr?

While I am certain there are gun owners stocking up on .22, a lot of it is new owners. I've had a bunch of people transferring .22 rifles and pistols and saying things like "I've never owned a gun, but it seems like I need to buy one now, and these are supposed to be good for beginners."

12131
January 4, 2013, 02:13 PM
Is anything being sold at normal prices right now?
Absolutely! You just need to look hard.

mcdonl
January 4, 2013, 02:13 PM
Friends tell me they can't even find 22 lr. Who in their right mind feels the need to horde .22 lr?

People cannot find when they are looking for, so they buy something else.

I told my wife I had to panic buy my tactical stock for my remmy...

Her response...

"No wonder your gray, you panic a lot...."

Grassman
January 4, 2013, 02:16 PM
People cannot find when they are looking for, so they buy something else.

I told my wife I had to panic buy my tactical stock for my remmy...

Her response...

"No wonder your gray, you panic a lot...."
Maybe people are practicing more with .22's now and saving all the center fire rounds?

BP44
January 4, 2013, 02:23 PM
If you were not around during the last ban or election EVERYONE was looking for .223, 9mm, and especially 22lr and primers. :banghead:

mcdonl
January 4, 2013, 03:08 PM
Maybe grassman but I bet the people who owned guns before this all started and actually practiced were not out stocking up on anything.

FiremanJim
January 4, 2013, 03:23 PM
Just got back from Academy. Bought 8 boxes of 9mm. No limit to how many boxes you get, but the customers were pulling all ammo off the shelves faster than the kids were stocking it. I'm gonna be headed to a different Academy in a little bit and see what I can see. They're still selling ammo at the same price as before the scare, BUT one of the guys said they werent stocking any "assault rifle" ammo.

Killian
January 4, 2013, 03:26 PM
Makarov and it's ammo doesn't seem much effected.

BearGriz
January 4, 2013, 03:34 PM
I'm still just sitting this out. I hope that this will blow over to a degree and that we'll find ourselves with surplus stocks of ammo and firearms (and then I'll buy some stuff). I'm not sure if all the same stuff will be available, though, and I guess that is why people are buying now. I'll wait to see how it settles.

In the end, I guess if some of the worst scenarios happen (and we no longer can buy semi-autos), then I can work on my list of "Fudd" guns that I have. I wouldn't mind a nice .357 lever gun, and I have been wanting to get a CZ 527 bolt-action rifle in 7.62x39 (the question on that one will be if I can still buy imported ammo for that one).

While I love me some semi-autos with magazines that hold 15+ rounds (already have a few), I do have a soft spot for classic-looking arms as well. I don't believe that any of our rights should be infringed...but if they are infringed, then I am hopeful that I can still buy some fun and effective firearms for my purposes (mainly self defense). A nice standard pump 12 gauge would be good to get in that scenario as well.

I do fear that tragedies like the one in CT will not cease (obviously regardless of what regulations are enacted). My fear is that if they antis get any ground, then once another tragedy happens they will just say we'll need stricter laws. I think we all know that the lunatic in CT could probably have done comparable damage with a lever gun or a pump-action shotgun. I fear that it will only take a shooting or two with 5+ casualties with a non-semi-auto firearm before they start going after those as well.

BearGriz
January 4, 2013, 03:40 PM
Maybe grassman but I bet the people who owned guns before this all started and actually practiced were not out stocking up on anything.

I've read a lot of comments that there are many people who bought guns who were not previously gun owners. I wonder if it is going to turn out to be a large enough number of new gun owners to be statistically significant.

One of the data points I keep hearing from the media is that while a pro-gun sentiment remains fairly strong with the population, more people are open to some "reasonable" restrictions, and then they love to point out that gun ownership is actually dropping. Could we be witnessing a trend in the other direction? I hope so.

In fact, if (as I've heard some speculate) the current shortage is due mostly to new gun owners joining our ranks, then you could argue that the run on ammo and guns (and the resulting prices) is actually an OK price to pay for the benefits of our growth as a group.

In any case, I'm pretty much stocked up to where I wanted to be (finished stocking up just after the election). So I'm trying to ignore the frenzy and hope things will return mostly to normal soon.

taliv
January 4, 2013, 03:41 PM
Friends tell me they can't even find 22 lr. Who in their right mind feels the need to horde .22 lr?

actually, 22lr is the ONLY thing i've hoarded (and food)

BCCL
January 4, 2013, 03:49 PM
There is no such thing as a price that isn't "normal"...prices fluctuate in response to supply/demand and are always "normal" for that moment.

dragon813gt
January 4, 2013, 04:00 PM
The only places I have seen price gouging is at the small gun shops and online auctions. While the stock has dwindled. The prices are exactly the same at Cabela's and WalMart. I picked up some 9mm and 380 for a friend at WM last night. The only cartridges they didn't have we're 223 and 22. Everything else was in stock. I prefer to shop at the smaller shops but will not visit ones that start gouging because of the panic.


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Killian
January 4, 2013, 04:18 PM
Wrote this for another thread, but it got closed. I'll inflict it here instead. :D

"As someone who is "over inflating" my prices now I can at least explain the thought process behind it.

1. I'm reluctant to sell. I'm reluctant to sell because I may want or need the items I am selling for myself in the future. I'm also reluctant to sell because prices MAY go up even more and I would stand a chance of making an even great profit. If you think prices are bad now, wait until an actual ban starts being discussed. To overcome my reluctance to sell as the seller, you as the buyer have got to make me leap to do so. That means with money.

2. Availability. Your local dealer has NO idea when he's going to get new mags in..or what HE will have to pay the distributor/manufacturer IF he does. He's going to ask for the price that will allow him to buy new mags if they suddenly double or triple on him in price. What was 17.99 from the maker might be 45.95 on the next shipment. He has to anticipate that and cushion himself. Otherwise he'll have 17.99 to buy the next mag but the maker will have bumped it to 50 on him. Then he's out of business.

I have tried to get an estimate on how many mags I think one company--Tapco--can produce in a month. I've no idea. But as an illustration, suppose Tapco produced 100,000 SKS 20rd mags this month. This seems high to me when I look at their office on Google street view. But say they can. They can ship those 100,000 to 45 states legally I believe. That works out to about 2200 per state. There are an estimated 7 million SKS's in the US. That works out to about 152,000 SKS's in your state on average. Guys who don't have mags are probably going to want 4 or 5 of them. To go thru 2200 mags if people are buying them 4 and 5 at the time would take 400 guys. That leaves another 151,600 guys out there looking for mags. Per month. Until they all decide--or most of them decide-- that they don't need to keep haunting the online sites and their pawnshops and the gunshow looking for magazines. I actually don't think that they are going to stop looking any time soon. I expect this will be going on while discussions about a ban are in place, or until a ban happens.

3. Demand. He's charging that price because the demand is there. People are WILLING to pay that price right now as insurance against a possible future where these items are even MORE expensive than now...or, and this is the real crux of it, completely UNOBTAINABLE at any price because they are legally impermissible.

4. Congress. There IS actually legislation that has already been introduced as of yesterday to limit the manufacture of hi cap magazines. There HAS been an announcement by the President that he intends to put the full weight of his office toward getting some type of gun control measure. People who are concerned and taking preparations to make sure they will have what they need are RIGHT to be concerned and taking the steps. That they should have taken those steps before now is another debate. But the Wolf IS at the door on this issue.

As a final thought, it is your choice on whether you choose to "overpay" or not. If you refuse to "overpay" the price when gasoline rises, then guess what...you don't drive anywhere. If you don't want to pay for magazines to shoot repeatedly, you don't get to shoot without constant reloading. Choice is yours. Remember how this time felt and make your preps ahead of time when this happens again. Assuming you are able to make those preps and magazines are allowed next time."

9thchild
January 4, 2013, 04:25 PM
Price gouging seems to be very misunderstood by the general public. It is simply a product of free markets and should not be so demonized. Look at it this way, would it be better if there was NO AR-15 on the shelf, or an overpriced one? Simply put, if you don't like the price, don't buy it! Price gouging is natural, ride it out if you don't absolutely need the product.

Now back to the thread, I was able to pick up one of two remaining stripped lower receivers from the PSA Fernandina Road store today at their normal price!

oneounceload
January 4, 2013, 04:56 PM
It is not gouging when you willingly pay the price, and there is no such thing as gouging except for a few emergency-related items like gas, water, plywood

Trisha
January 4, 2013, 05:07 PM
I do a lot of research on the internet, as a writer. Half an hour's searches brought me low but current inventory on Colt 6920 at MSRP, Springfield Standard, Scout Squad, and NM Loaded at MSRP, etc. I just went to the mfgr's websites, looked up the names of their outlets and ran searches for "largest dealer" etc and went to see which sites had "Inventory Check" buttons.

Calm down, and take more than a few minutes. As I see it, the problem is in the bottleneck of getting anything through Insta-Check while in the seller's acceptable waiting period. With Colorado being something like 10 days and sellers limiting "Inspection Periods" of 3-7 days, there's no sale. Or you accept that there's no recourse.

I shudder to think what folks' credit card bills are going to be. . .

Harvie
January 4, 2013, 05:39 PM
I went to Cabela's today in search of a new S&W M&P 9c. They had a "Pre-Owned" 9c for $585. The person waiting on me, told me about a LGS nearby. I purchased a "Brand New" 9c for $509, at the LGS. Now that is what I call Customer Service. The owner of the LGS seems to be real nice, as well. It's about an hour drive, but I enjoy having relationships with good people.

tekarra
January 5, 2013, 04:20 PM
I was at my local indoor range yesterday and strolled through the gun shop. The pistols were all at their normal prices but the AR type rifles were more than double that of a couple of weeks ago!

BobTheTomato
January 5, 2013, 04:42 PM
Maybe people are practicing more with .22's now and saving all the center fire rounds?

I have seen a lot of people shooting 22s lately as opposed to centerfire rounds.

Levi
January 5, 2013, 07:19 PM
I went to Cabela's today (in Buda)...no .22LR, save for small expensive boxes...very little of anything else. The 3 racks of rifles/shotguns have shrunk to 1 rack of not-too-desirable firearms. No black guns anywhere. Pistol counters with lots of empty spaces. Magazine aisle had maybe 4 magazines hanging..rest of space empty.

It was sad. I called my friend in Longview to tell him figuring he'd never believe it. He was parking at the gun show...not figuring to buy anything, but just to observe. We talked as he circled the lot looking for a space...said he'd "never seen it like this".

Afterwards he called to tell me that he'd seen 2 SKSs, one $850, one $1000. He had come across a mini-14 for $1K, and 550 rd. boxes of .22LR that sold at Wal-Mart for $17 marked up to $50. As he talked, I went into Academy and only found small expensive broken plastic boxes of CCI .22s. They did have about 5 50rd boxes of Federal .40sw.

Madness.

Madness.

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