Recommend a good gun safe?


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CJW
January 5, 2013, 12:29 AM
Hi folks. I've been researching safes and thought I'd ask for some recommendations. I'm looking for a capacity of 8-10 rifles and about that many handguns, and I'd also like it to be fireproof enough to store important papers, cash, etc. I hope to keep the price about 1K. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

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thefish
January 5, 2013, 12:54 AM
I can't speak to safes but my important papers and large cash are in a safe deposit Box. Way more fire safe than anything I could install at home.

Cesiumsponge
January 5, 2013, 01:05 AM
You're not going to be able to depend on a gun safe to store your documents. Put your documents in a document container, then place that inside a gun safe.

LevelHead
January 5, 2013, 01:07 AM
Agreed re: documents. $1000 isn't a lot for a good safe, especially one for 8-10 rifles.

I like Heritage safes, but they can be pricey. IMO, you get what you pay for with safes.

hso
January 5, 2013, 01:10 AM
I hope to keep the price about 1K.

Read through the posts on safes here in Accessories and you'll find that $1,000 probably won't be enough for what you're looking for.

VINTAGE-SLOTCARS
January 5, 2013, 02:59 AM
Check with local gun shops, they often have a trade in for larger ones.

Ehtereon11B
January 5, 2013, 06:43 AM
Go into purchasing a gun safe with the thought in mind that a heavy, bolted down safe can still be broken into/moved if enough time is allowed. Most firearm safes are better protection against a house fire rather than a serious burglary attempt.

Knowing that check with local firearm stores. I bought a Winchester Silverado 24 longgun safe from Tractor Supply with 6 handgun door panel for $500. Which was a much better price for any safe I could find online minus cheap Stack on cases.

TexasGlock23
January 5, 2013, 10:56 AM
there should be a sticky posted imo

Cesiumsponge
January 5, 2013, 04:51 PM
Most firearm safes are better protection against a house fire rather than a serious burglary attempt.
Most firearm safes are better protection against a generic burglary rather than a serious house fire.

a1abdj
January 5, 2013, 06:45 PM
Most firearm safes are better protection against a house fire rather than a serious burglary attempt.

This is (was) a Browning. What say you? Thumbs up or down?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/a1abdj/browningfire1_zpsb60ad9fb.jpg

Reloadron
January 5, 2013, 07:18 PM
This is (was) a Browning. What say you? Thumbs up or down?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/a1abdj/browningfire1_zpsb60ad9fb.jpg
Beats me? I would have to see the contents. :)

We do have a forum member that posted pictures of his gun collection from a safe or actually HSC (Home Security Container) following a hot fire. It wasn't pretty.

As to size? Plan on double what you initially figure on. Things eventually get tight in there.

When I invested in my HSC I did some homework and was fortunate in that the Cleveland, Ohio area has Cleveland Safe which includes a large showroom dedicated to many safes. I must have looked at a hundred gun safes. I finally settled on a large AmSec which I am happy with. It wasn't quite inexpensive but I cut a good deal delivered and installed. It is lagged to the concrete deck. It was nice to be able to crawl over so many safes to make a decision.

As to fire? This spring will bring the continuation of complete house renovations. I have been looking at adding a sprinkler system to the gun room area since the entire area will be reworked. Not fancy but a good basic system. I figure for the few bucks invested it sure can't hurt.

Overall these forums are loaded with threads about gun safes or better put HSC systems. Try a forum search for more ideas and information.

Ron

CB900F
January 5, 2013, 11:10 PM
Fella's;

The proper term is RSC, Residential Security Container, not HSC. I don't really want to be a nit-picker, but these threads get complicated enough without introducing multiple terms for the same thing.

900F

Reloadron
January 6, 2013, 06:10 AM
Fella's;

The proper term is RSC, Residential Security Container, not HSC. I don't really want to be a nit-picker, but these threads get complicated enough without introducing multiple terms for the same thing.

900F
Thanks and I fixed my post. I was thinking what I posted just didn't look right.

Thanks for the correction...
Ron

2nd 41
January 6, 2013, 09:39 AM
Save up and buy it right the first time. I was looking for a $700-$1000 safe but ended up with a Fort Knox after I did my homework. Not saying to buy a FK ...just suggesting you buy quality safe to fit your needs.

HighExpert
January 30, 2013, 05:22 AM
I have a Ft. Knox and it is a good safe. I also have a Cannon and for the price difference, I would buy two Cannons next time. Fire rating is the same and I feel the security is adequate on the Cannon. The Ft. Knox was $1800 with custom color about 15years ago. The Cannon, in black, was $1000. It holds 10 rifles, 25 handguns and miscellaneous stuff. It weighs about 250# less than the Ft. Knox, but floor bolts offset that.

cbpagent72
January 30, 2013, 10:57 AM
I like Superior or Summit, both made by Champion.

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jmr
January 30, 2013, 02:15 PM
You are almost in the ball park of the Sturdy model 2419.
http://www.sturdysafe.com/model2419.htm

HighExpert
January 31, 2013, 06:14 PM
Go to Tractor Supply. They have a large Cannon which wil fill the bill and give you room to expand for $999..00

Teachu2
January 31, 2013, 08:36 PM
In the under-$1000 new safes, it's very difficult to find one with decent fire rating. Many are 30 minutes to reach 350 degrees in a 1200 degree fire, and some of those start the timer when they start the furnace. Unless you have sprinklers or a rapid response time from the fire dept (AND they're not on another call) it simply isn't enough. One way around that is to buy a small fire safe/lockbox and put it inside the gun safe for cash, jewelry, and papers. If your guns are replaceable, insurance coverage on them (if you have it!) will do the rest.

I started with a rebranded Cannon. It was all I could justify when I bought it. As my collection grew and my wife wanted to start locking paperwork away, I added a couple of Bighorns from Costco. Then she inherited some jewelry, and it's sentimental value far exceeds the market value. I asked her if she'd be happy with an insurance settlement if it were stolen, or a pubble of gold and silver if we had a fire....and suddenly she was fine with the cost of a better safe.

Better protection is heavier, bulkier, and more expensive. At under $1000, there isn't much difference among brands. You need to consider the value of the proposed contents, and the risk factors you wish to mitigate. If you are protecting three Glocks and a Mossy 500 from typical residental smash-and-grab thieves, it's hard to justify spending thousands. OTOH, if you have several thousands of dollars invested in guns, jewelry, or cash, have family heirlooms, or want better fire protection, you strike a different balance. Like most things in life, one make/model/size doesn't work for everyone.

I wanted to replace two 19 cu.ft. Costco specials with something with at least 90 minutes of fire protection, and walls thick enough to stand up to a fireaxe. I also wanted 6' tall, for added space and convenience. I also knew that I wouldn't be sliding a handtruck under this one and setting it in place all by myself, so I preferred a local dealer.

The range where I am a member displays Liberty safes for the local dealer, and highly recommends them for excellent service. I'd shopped there before, and not had a real good feeling about them, but I gave them a try. I was pleased with the salesperson/owner, and probably got a better feeling because I'd done enough research to be a bit more comfortable and ask better questions.

They also carry a few Fort Knox safes, some Brahma imports, and some Summit safes. I found the Summit Denali the most appealing, and (after a couple trips down there and more research online) was debating 50 vs 60 cu.ft. The wife had specified a textured finish (that was a surprise) and the dealer was down to one of each size in textured gray. As I tried to reach a decision, another buyer snagged the 50, which made the decision easier!

The Denali 60 was delivered the following Saturday. It's 50x27x72", plus the lock and handle, and 1700 lbs empty. 2 hr at 1500 degrees fire protection. S&G mechanical lock, interior lights with internal motion sensor. They unloaded it with a liftgate, and moved it with a pair of pallet jacks. They did no damage whatsoever to my house, floors, or the safe - it waqs well worth the delivery charge. They shimmed the front, drilled the floor and bolted it down.

I figure the safe set me back about 15% of the value of the contents. To me, it made sense.

blkbrd666
January 31, 2013, 08:57 PM
I have a FireKing Media Vault to hold money and papers. It can then be put in a larger gun safe. The media cooler has a 1 hour rating by itself.

Once you decide exactly what you need for your guns, then buy the one that is twice that size.

ra
February 2, 2013, 11:04 PM
I have been looking at the Winchester from TSC and Academy Sports. They both have some play in the door after I closed and locked it. The other safes I've seen like Liberty and Champion close up very tight. Is this just something I have to deal with on a less expensive safe?

powderx
February 2, 2013, 11:20 PM
My only suggestion is: buy twice the size you think you need. ;)

a1abdj
February 3, 2013, 02:26 AM
Sorry...I let this one slip for too long.

Here's what happens more often than not when your typical gun safe is in a fire. Just imagine having one twice as big, with twice as much carbon in it. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/a1abdj/browningfire2_zpsc24ddae9.jpg

Teachu2
February 3, 2013, 03:22 AM
Construction of the house greatly influences the effectiveness if a safe in a fire. A single-story house with stucco exterior, drywall interior, and concrete slab won't inpart the same heat energy to a safe as a two-story plus basement wood-sided home that collapses into the basement, creating a firepit of coals. The water damage won't be the same, either.

My safe is on a concrete slab, under a concrete tile roof, on a rather isolated wing of my single-story home and away from both gas lines and electrical panels. I'm about two miles fron the fire station, with another four miles out, and my alarm system has fire detection. This wing of the house was originally built as a garage, so there is a firewall between it and the main structure. Short of building a bunker in the yard, it's as fire-safe as I can make it. If the house burns down, the safe's contents have a pretty good chance of survival.

Elkins45
February 3, 2013, 02:38 PM
Sorry...I let this one slip for too long.

Here's what happens more often than not when your typical gun safe is in a fire. Just imagine having one twice as big, with twice as much carbon in it. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/a1abdj/browningfire2_zpsc24ddae9.jpg

What's the problem? Looks like the wood stocks didn't char. A little steel wool and some WD40 and those will clean right up :)

Turn Key
February 3, 2013, 03:19 PM
This is a MUST SEE if you're in the market for a Gun Safe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltK-bDbADa8&feature=watch-vrec


TK

Delawarean
February 3, 2013, 04:09 PM
I was just about to post that video. It is excellent. Pretty much covers all the details.

Reloadron
February 3, 2013, 07:27 PM
With some final major house renovations ahead this spring and summer I am thinking about adding some fire sprinkler heads to the gun room. Even though my gun safe (RSC) is located in an area that should not burn real hot. Figure if I am going to remove and replace a few walls running a water line should not be a problem and sprinkler heads are not that costly.

Another forum member has posted some really good after fire pictures of a safe interior. Things got pretty ugly and sad. I think it was his safe. :(

Ron

CB900F
February 3, 2013, 08:27 PM
Ron;

That was A1abdj that posted the pics of the burnt safe. I assure you, it was not his. The two of us are the safe professionals who most frequently post on this site.

900F

Shadow 7D
February 3, 2013, 08:42 PM
Look up the UL rating system for Fire Safe's
there are certain places, and certain temps that MUST not be passed to get a rating
and the time isn't when it goes in the oven, rather when the oven is up to temp...

Now, you take a RSC, flip it on it's back, shove it in an oven and start the clock with the oven cold...
you will get a MUCH better rating than what it's actually.

Reloadron
February 3, 2013, 10:11 PM
Ron;

That was A1abdj that posted the pics of the burnt safe. I assure you, it was not his. The two of us are the safe professionals who most frequently post on this site.

900F
Many thanks. I know you always post good safe dope and are a wealth of information on the subject. I wasn't sure about that picture so thank you for the clarification.

Ron

455vista
February 24, 2013, 04:00 PM
What about the GSA class 6 security container stuff I see now and then, generally Mosler. Say 52 x24 x 39ish? Or the Schwab DataBank or Fireguard stuff. They seem to be kinda big for the space inside. I don't know anything about secirity of the double doors, if they relockers, hard plates and such. But the fire protection side seems to very good? They also do not seem to have the super expanding tape "stuff" to seal the doors?

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