I will NEVER go to another gun show again


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mopar92
January 5, 2013, 01:46 PM
I went to the Franklin Tn AG center show this morning. $10 was ok... There were some very reasonable dealers and then some stealers. As to be expected. I guess the reason I won't go to another show is pretty simple, safety. Indoor ranges are bad enough, but this is about the 5th gun show for me in about 16 months time. Right off the bat, before the show even started, a guy getting an SKS out of a car muzzle swept my friend and I. He unloaded the rifle AFTER he swept us pretty good.. standing in the first 200 people to get there, a guy behind us somewhere said " oh crap, and unloaded his Ruger Blackhawk. His buddy had a Glock Magazine that was full, and per the sign " no loaded magazines", he took it to the car. Well, the entire line of folks bringing in their long guns had NOT been chamber checked by the show admins... I know I am sounding like a gun grabber, which I am clearly not. So much muzzle sweeping and mishandling of guns it wasn't even funny anymore. Once inside, muzzle sweeping left and right. Some wank was testing an Eotech and was shouldering an 870 and pointing it all over the place... We made our rounds, bought a few things, and got the hell out of there. I have never been to a gun show that instructed some sort of code of conduct about weapons. In my opinion, they need to be patrol carried and stop aiming at people walking around. Are all gun shows this negligent? As gun owners, and right to bear arms Americans, in general, we need to enlighten some people about general gun safety and awareness. I am proud to be a gun owner, and you should be too, but not what I have been seeing at these shows. I really mean it this time, no more shows... I really mean it.... Hope nobody gets hurt.... Take care.

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youngda9
January 5, 2013, 01:50 PM
A lot of Bubba's are going to the shows now that the panic is on. Stay away from those unprepared types.

gkainz
January 5, 2013, 01:52 PM
The more I hear about people, the more I like my dog and horses. Not a curmudgeon yet, but not for lack of trying.
Remember, people really do live on the outer edge of the bell curve.

beatledog7
January 5, 2013, 01:53 PM
Safety?

I take it you will also avoid public roads, where you have a much higher probability than at a gun show of being killed by someone doing something stupid.

6.5x55swedish
January 5, 2013, 01:55 PM
Most of the shows here in the northeast have been canceled this year. I used to frequent shows a lot, but never bought anything... hard to find a deal at a show.

Reloadron
January 5, 2013, 02:02 PM
You can't fix stupid. You can't fix it on the public highways and you can't fix it at gun shows. Actually if I look at things on a per capita basis I am likely safer in a gun show than on the highway. While I can't speak for your location up my way all guns are checked. The show promoters lay down the rules and the rules will be complied with.

Ron

Zeke/PA
January 5, 2013, 02:11 PM
What percentage of the current population cannot comprehensively READ, FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS or THINK?

FiremanJim
January 5, 2013, 02:18 PM
You'd be surprised.

If they did all of those things in the first place, DUI's, gun accidents, motor vehicle accidents from texting and other distractions would come to a grinding halt.

But a lot of people dont read, follow instructions or think.

Thats why we call it job security.

swathdiver
January 5, 2013, 02:27 PM
How and where is a fella going to shoulder a rifle or shotgun to see how it fits at such a show?

mopar92
January 5, 2013, 02:43 PM
That is in fact true about public roads, but I can certainly take a wider, divided and well lit road instead. That and if somebody is cutting in and out of traffic, I can avoid that guy... So yeah, you could stay at home and live in a padded room and die of cancer. Or, you can also increase your odds and stay away from people who do not have your safety in mind too. I forgot, our favorite was towards the end. A man was showing a lady the Smith and Wesson Bodyguard with a crimson trace. She was sighting on on the bystanders. Hahah. Awesome work ...

rcmodel
January 5, 2013, 02:54 PM
How and where is a fella going to shoulder a rifle or shotgun to see how it fits at such a show? Point it at the ceiling or something.
Just don't point it at me, my chest, or my head!!!!

I keep getting red-laser dots dancing on me at the Topeka KS shows from three aisles away.
That, or a mall ninja in baggy pants below his crack is jumping around and swinging a ninja sword in a crowded aisle like he was Bruce Lee or somebody.

Two three years ago, I no more then walked in the door when a dealer had a ND with a .45 ACP!

While laying on the floor, I was amazed how long the bullet ricocheted around the concrete exposition hall before it finally ran out of steam without hitting anyone!

rc

Tommygunn
January 5, 2013, 02:55 PM
How and where is a fella going to shoulder a rifle or shotgun to see how it fits at such a show?


I have ALWAYS made it a point to 1.) check the breech to assure the gun is empty, 2.) if aiming the gun, I ALWAYS aim it upward because human beings can't fly....and the places I go to gunshows don't have second floors.
I have always made it a deliberate POINT to NEVER hold a weapon so it's muzzle is pointed at anyone, and if I cannot arrange to do it a safe way then I will not shoulder a longarm or sight across the top of a handgun.

AlexanderA
January 5, 2013, 02:59 PM
Getting swept is about par for the course at gun shows (and gun shops, too). I don't like it either. Yet I still go to shows because the possibility of an accident is statistically very small. (Actually, this same reasoning applies to anything having to do with guns.) When you see someone doing something unsafe, speak up. People do these things out of ignorance and/or absent-mindedness, not ill will.

9MMare
January 5, 2013, 03:02 PM
Two three years ago, I no more then walked in the door when a dealer had a ND with a .45 ACP!

While laying on the floor, I was amazed how long the bullet ricocheted around the concrete exposition hall before it finally ran out of steam without hitting anyone!

rc

Ugh!!!

Lucky outcome.

9MMare
January 5, 2013, 03:14 PM
As a woman, I am always extremely careful to exhibit safe gun handling in public (as well as at home). I feel that I have to represent my gender being as capable as men, that I have to be doubly careful as I will be doubly judged....personally and as a woman.

We went gun shopping to a very crowded Cabelas the weekend after the CT shooting...looked at several guns and managed to handle and sight them safely...and making sure I did so was foremost in my mind. The last thing I want is to be judged as a 'silly female that just doesnt know any better.'

mopar92
January 5, 2013, 03:21 PM
As a woman, I am always extremely careful to exhibit safe gun handling in public (as well as at home). I feel that I have to represent my gender being as capable as men, that I have to be doubly careful as I will be doubly judged....personally and as a woman.

We went gun shopping to a very crowded Cabelas the weekend after the CT shooting...looked at several guns and managed to handle and sight them safely...and making sure I did so was foremost in my mind. The last thing I want is to be judged as a 'silly female that just doesnt know any better.'

Indeed. My wife is competent with firearms and very safety minded as well. I'd trust her anyday.

CraigC
January 5, 2013, 03:30 PM
There's no excuse whatsoever for going to a gun show with a loaded firearm, unless it's your carry weapon that remains holstered.

MachIVshooter
January 5, 2013, 03:32 PM
As a woman, I am always extremely careful to exhibit safe gun handling in public (as well as at home). I feel that I have to represent my gender being as capable as men, that I have to be doubly careful as I will be doubly judged....personally and as a woman.

I worry far less about inexperienced females than inexperienced males. The male predisposition toward and intuition with mechanical things leads to overconfidence. Women are more innately cautious in general, and tend to want to learn how something mechanical works by instruction rather than figuring it out. As such, females are usually less likely to use something improperly or unsafely.

Drail
January 5, 2013, 03:34 PM
I have worked behind tables at gun shows all over the Midwest for years and it is truly ubelieveable that people can be so stupid and unthinking and yet be issued a driver's license and allowed to vote and raise chiuldren. Several times I have been in huge auditoriums with an incredibly loud background noise level that forced you to almost yell at anyone to converse. Suddenly, BANG. The immediate silence is almost spooky. But the promoters and the cops can't possibly really check every person or gun that enters the building and so it happens. More than you would think. Someone fired a .223 in a show in Illinois and hit two people. Keep your head on a swivel folks. Going to some gun shows can be the riskiest thing you ever do next to going to a public range on a busy day. I gave that up too.

Team-aRo
January 5, 2013, 03:36 PM
sweep and be swept.

SharpsDressedMan
January 5, 2013, 03:38 PM
Imagine needing a gun, and having to go to a flea market in the Khyber Pass of Pakistan. I think you'll be o.k. at a US gun show. Totally safe, no, but better off than most gun shows in other parts of the world. :D You just have to look at things objectively. Of course, if you have all the guns and ammo that you want or need, why are you at the gunshow? If not, take the dare!

zorro45
January 5, 2013, 03:40 PM
Zeke/PA
approximately 47%

Cooldill
January 5, 2013, 03:41 PM
Oh man would I be angry. I'm a huge stickler when it comes to gun safety. Sometime people need to use the mush between there ears and realize what they are holding could cause terrible damage.

Drail
January 5, 2013, 03:48 PM
These are the same people who drive down the highway while texting and looking at their GPS display. They are essentially brain dead. Good luck.

loose noose
January 5, 2013, 03:49 PM
Speaking of unsafe gun handling, not at the gun shows,as they are all very safe around my neck of the woods; however, last Sunday I gave a firearms safety class followed by actual shooting instruction. Note everyone, all 4 students were instructed to bring their firearms to the class unloaded. A bullet trap was in place just outside the classroom. Well this old boy, who "didn't need any saftey class, he just wanted to go out and improve his shooting technique". After explaining to him that the class included a very intense safety course prior to shooting, he reluctantly complied. Needless to say guess who had a round in the chamber when I checked the firearms? You guessed it "the old boy". Then we got out to the range; all the students were instructed to not load their firearms until called to the shooting line, and then once instructed to. This "old boy" did not heed my warning and while instructing another shooter loaded his firearm directly behind us, as I heard his chamber close. That was all she wrote for "this old boy", as I immediately had him leave the range, as my safety course went in one ear and out the other. Like someone else said "you can't fix stupid".:mad:

dcarch
January 5, 2013, 03:49 PM
Truth. The more I go to gun stores and shows, the less I trust my fellow humans. Sweepings everywhere!

rcmodel
January 5, 2013, 04:01 PM
Some things you never forget how to do.

Dirt diving when unexpected gunfire erupts close to you is one of them.

You can tell old GI's from old civilians that way.

rc

Prophet
January 5, 2013, 04:09 PM
This concerns me as well. Monkey see, monkey do. A large percentage of the cases I've seen the customer follows how the dealer handles the firearm they're selling. If the dealer is unsafe with it the customer is as well. If I were to handle a gun show I'd handle it the same way I handle our paintball field. I would call the dealers together and give them a lecture/orientation on how to safely handle their merchandise and would encourage them to instruct their customers to do the same. Simple, but I believe it would be effective based upon my experience on the field. I can't recall how many times I've walked into a gun store and started talking to another customer and had to instruct them on basic firearm safety rules because they had handled a firearm incorrectly. They almost never resent you telling them if you inform them the right way without degrading them. Then I'd ask the salesperson who had just been speaking with that customer if I could see a firearm and he'd hand it to me muzzle first or carelessly point it at me as he pulled it out of the case.

9MMare
January 5, 2013, 04:10 PM
There's no excuse whatsoever for going to a gun show with a loaded firearm, unless it's your carry weapon that remains holstered.

At ours I think you have to go unloaded anyway. They will ask for your weapon and cable tie it. You could lie of course, but I prefer not to do so. I have taken my cc weapon in, to 'try on holsters.' :) Cable-tied.

GBExpat
January 5, 2013, 06:08 PM
I gave up on the local Gun Shows about a decade ago... but not because I ever experienced any dangerous/negligent behavior.

I found that the actual firearms & related selection had gone down, the prices had gone UP, the average Gun-IQ appeared to have noticeably dropped and the carpark was full of Beemers (probably one of the reasons for the prices going up).

It had changed enough that any enjoyment I derived failed to, at least, equal the hassle of attending the thing, so ...

The most enjoyable show I ever attended was in Medina, OH in 1988(89?). I still have the fine .44 Marlin 1894 that I found there. :)

JVaughn
January 5, 2013, 06:23 PM
I was at the show in Kingsport, TN today during a ND by a dealer at a table. First for me at a show.

Cesiumsponge
January 5, 2013, 06:28 PM
We've had a ND at the WAC gun shows a year or two ago. Not everyone who owns a gun is competent, unfortunately. It's the price of freedom though.

Gun shows are private entities. Their rules, their (rented) house. Most have no-loaded-guns policies to satisfy some sort of insurance mandate to hold such events.

JBrady555
January 5, 2013, 06:45 PM
Bay County Sheriffs department here in Panama City does all the checking at the door.

nathan
January 5, 2013, 07:23 PM
Ten years ago i was at a gunshow and came upon a private sellers table. He got a used 1911 pistol. So i asked to see it. Once i released the mag out , what a surprise ! The mag was loaded with FMJs . I said in amazement, This is loaded ! The guy immediately took the loaded mag away from sight and grab the gun and put them under the table.

What an experience it was ! My first in a gunshow to see things like this slipped in. The guy said it was a gun from a someone earlier who traded it in. I wished i reported the seller to the show sponsor so he could get booted out. Anyway, i ve never been in a gunshow when you will hear a pop. That be scary.

Reloadron
January 5, 2013, 07:55 PM
The only time I literally had the hell scared out of me was doing the Cuyahoga County Fairgrounds show in Berea, Ohio. The show consist of normally 3 large fairground buildings. My wife and I always had 5 tables with an end cap right beside the rear entrance to the show. Really a great location. Tina always worked that entry point and there was Don the Cop always there. Hell, we all knew each other.

It was a hot day in July that year and everything is going along fine. Then came the loud bang! My heart sank as I dropped to the deck behind our tables taking my wife with me. Poked my head up and saw Don in a crouch and Tina down in a crouch. Here, someone parked a bicycle by the entry and a rear tire blew. I never knew a bicycle tire could make such a loud bang, it sounded so much like a shot. Talk about freaky! That had to have been 15 years ago plus.

Ron

ball3006
January 5, 2013, 07:56 PM
Five gun shows in 15 months? Where do you live, the boonies? There are 1-2 gun shows here every month. I go to gun shows because even a blind pig can find an acorn now and then.....chris3

utbrowningman
January 5, 2013, 10:24 PM
When I go to gun shows it is to stock up on beef jerky and candles.

1911 guy
January 5, 2013, 10:34 PM
I think part of it is ignorance, part of it is genuine stupidity and part of it is lack of mentoring.

A lot of us grew up with guns and by the time we were old enough to carry a gun off our own property, we were competent and capable. There's a large group of people who grew up isolated from firearms of any type and are spending early adulthood and sometimes middle age playing catch-up. They simply lack the experience and it's not second nature to them.

As for the others, you've either got to educate, tolerate or avoid.

goldie
January 5, 2013, 10:38 PM
Pointing a firearm in a safe direction should be second nature,i cant believe there are that many stupid people out there.....

Queen_of_Thunder
January 5, 2013, 10:49 PM
I have worked behind tables at gun shows all over the Midwest for years and it is truly ubelieveable that people can be so stupid and unthinking and yet be issued a driver's license and allowed to vote and raise chiuldren. Several times I have been in huge auditoriums with an incredibly loud background noise level that forced you to almost yell at anyone to converse. Suddenly, BANG. The immediate silence is almost spooky. But the promoters and the cops can't possibly really check every person or gun that enters the building and so it happens. More than you would think. Someone fired a .223 in a show in Illinois and hit two people. Keep your head on a swivel folks. Going to some gun shows can be the riskiest thing you ever do next to going to a public range on a busy day. I gave that up too.




At our gun shows every weapon brought into the show is checked by a police officer then the action is zip tied open before being allowed into the show.

Jim NE
January 5, 2013, 10:55 PM
I'm disappointed with some of the things I've been reading about gun frenzy related behavior lately. Reflects badly on the gun community. Thankfully, the only ones witnessing such behavior are, for the most part, other members of the gun community...so far.

I've found lots of other good reasons to avoid gun shows, too, so I'm rarely in attendance.

TennJed
January 5, 2013, 10:57 PM
Five gun shows in 15 months? Where do you live, the boonies? There are 1-2 gun shows here every month. I go to gun shows because even a blind pig can find an acorn now and then.....chris3
wow, in the Memphis area we have around 4 a year

Ms_Dragon
January 5, 2013, 11:14 PM
Geeze!

You'd either avoid going to the show or wear a plate carrier and risk being seen as paranoid.

Being swept like that would scare me to death.

breakingcontact
January 5, 2013, 11:19 PM
I was completely shocked in basic training when we first got our rifles at how common muzzle sweeps/flagging was. I know that hyper controlled environment the guns aren't loaded except for the range where it has to be strictly pointed down range.

But we know we should always treat them as loaded.

At a military school. We kept blanks chambered at all times w a mag in. They were trying to make sure people were exhibiting good safety. We had to drop the mag clear the chamber and fire into a barrel to show empty. Heard a couple pops there.

People don't respect just how dangerous firearms are if not handled safely and many people simply do not understand how guns operate. So many don't understand that with a dropped mag the gun is not safe. (Then you have the mag disconnect safety which is another mess)

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Deaf Smith
January 5, 2013, 11:24 PM
Get a grip guys.

I've been to hundreds of gun shows and never been shot, seen someone shot, or heard of anyone shot.

Yes a few, very few, people are shot over the years at gun shows.

But I bet far less than are killed on the highways per hour of driving!

There are literally hundreds of shows per year and maybe a million people in all attending, so think about it.

Deaf

Grassman
January 5, 2013, 11:33 PM
People will make mistakes, it's up to responsible people to pull em aside and say hey holmes, really?? You people sound like Feinstein, and you really should phrase your thoughts different. You're making it look like every person that attends a gun show is a nut, and that's just not the case.

SharpsDressedMan
January 5, 2013, 11:45 PM
Knee jerk reactions to dangers at guns shows are much like the psychology of people overreacting to those one-in-ten-million shooting sprees we have. I guess it is just human nature to forget the odds, and think we can prevent things. With all the security, police, guns being checked, rules, gun ties, etc, guns still go off sat gun shows.....and that is with thousands of people CONCERNED with safety in attendance. Is it any wonder we SHOULD NOT think that we can ever prevent a random violent act by a fool with a gun? Crime, mental illness, recklessness, and evil WILL happen, no matter how much we fuss, cry, surrender freedom, or think we can change anything.

Jim Mac
January 5, 2013, 11:51 PM
not a gun show but I went to buy a LPK for a ar at the local gun store. while there the guy behind the counter asked if I'd like to look at any rifle. I asked to see one in a display case, the guy takes it out, goes to clear the weapon and BING a live round pops out of the chamber. The surprise in his eye, you could tell this just doesnt happen, but we both saw the round pop out. jim

jrdolall
January 5, 2013, 11:52 PM
I never assume that my fellow human beings know what in the HELL they are doing. It has saved me a lot of problems. I too have found that there are far too many idiots at gun shows. Waving guns around and talking like they were in WWII, WWI, and The War of 1812. Great place to go if you are looking to buy a pair of pink handcuffs though.

I took a family shooting today. 2 parents and 2 kids. They own a shotgun that the woman got from her father and the husband has fired it once. Their daughter comes to my house all the time and they have decided they want to learn about guns. We shot 11different rifle and 4 pistols. There were no sweeps or accidental discharges. Just 4 people who now realize you don't need to be afraid of guns but you do need to be comfortable around them. I hope the safety lessons they learned will stick with them as they venture into the world of guns.

breakingcontact
January 5, 2013, 11:57 PM
Day at the range > day at the gun show

Damon555
January 6, 2013, 12:11 AM
I gave up on gun shows many years ago but not for the reasons you stated. The price of the gas, parking and admission negated any real savings.

Don't take my word for it. Look at the average person at your local range...Those are the same folks frequenting gun shows and giving advice on internet gun forums.

flaman
January 6, 2013, 06:04 AM
There are certainly pro's & con's to buying, selling, & trading at gun show. I personally like the anonymity that comes from trading at a gun shows. Placing ads in newspapers and social media can (and does) lead to home invasion, robbery, or worse. I also embrace the heightened police presence at most gun shows. Other than a few weekend cowboys handling firearms in an un-safe fashion, I feel fairly safe at most gun shows. Gun show crowds have a way to keep most of the morons in line

thorazine
January 6, 2013, 06:54 AM
I've never had the desire to attend a gun show... with internet sales and FTF sales from the boards in conjunction with a few decent dealers that I developed a relationship locally in FL I assembled a nice collection.

I just haven't yet went out to try and find a dealer here in PA.

Although I haven't had the urge to buy anything -- yet.

swathdiver
January 6, 2013, 09:57 AM
Point it at the ceiling or something.
Just don't point it at me, my chest, or my head!!!!

I keep getting red-laser dots dancing on me at the Topeka KS shows from three aisles away.
That, or a mall ninja in baggy pants below his crack is jumping around and swinging a ninja sword in a crowded aisle like he was Bruce Lee or somebody.

Two three years ago, I no more then walked in the door when a dealer had a ND with a .45 ACP!

While laying on the floor, I was amazed how long the bullet ricocheted around the concrete exposition hall before it finally ran out of steam without hitting anyone!

rc
Pointing it upwards is the logical answer and is what I've done but that doesn't help get a good feel for it. As crowded as the shows have become, unless there's a designated place, it's nigh impossible to do.

soloban
January 6, 2013, 10:06 AM
The only gun show I've been to worth a damn was the "Nation's Gun Show" in Chantilly, VA. Every other one I've been to are sketchy at best and full of dealers selling over priced guns, overpriced C&R's, and overpriced Chinese NCStar crap.

Reloadron
January 6, 2013, 10:44 AM
The only gun show I've been to worth a damn was the "Nation's Gun Show" in Chantilly, VA. Every other one I've been to are sketchy at best and full of dealers selling over priced guns, overpriced C&R's, and overpriced Chinese NCStar crap.
Don't forget the beef jerky and wonderful arts and crafts. :)

There is, for many of us, a hell of a lot more to a good gun show that just much of the stuff mentioned. Aside from the licensed dealers peddling guns and ammunition and private sellers hawking a few guns there are people walking the show with guns for sale and frequently a good deal can be struck if someone has it and you want it.

However, guns and ammunition aside there is much, much more to be had for many of us. Several years ago I snagged a real nice set of Starret Depth Micrometers for literally a few bucks. I have also managed to find not only reloading tools at good prices but also various gun smithing tools. There are also tables with assorted gun pieces and parts.

What I am getting at here is that for a knowledgeable and savvy shopper a gun show can offer much more than overpriced new guns and ammunition. That some good treasures can be found. Just a matter of what one is looking for.

Ron

Sniper66
January 6, 2013, 11:19 AM
I have been to dozens of shows over many years and have never witnessed an oops-I-forgot-to-unload moment. I'm sure it happens, but it is rare and certainly not something that would make me stay home. The Tulsa shows are always fun and sometimes just down right phenomenal. I shudder to think what Obama will do to them in the future. But, you can be assured he will try to destroy them.

rpchevy02
January 6, 2013, 12:07 PM
Ever notice all those bullet holes in the tin roof above your head at the outdoor range? Makes you wonder where all the other ones went.

mikechandler
January 6, 2013, 12:31 PM
My range is safer than the roads leading to it, and I've seen the RO's escort idiots out and tell them they need to come back with a cert from the safety class. It's exceptionally well regulated. I searched our tin roof for my chrony parts that helicoptered when my wife shot it - no bullet holes.

I avoid the gun shows because they make no sense in arizona where private undocumented sales are the norm, and you need not pay parking and admission.

Somewhere in NM
January 6, 2013, 01:06 PM
A firm rule I have is to stay away from idiots with guns, so I can understand your point about not attending gun shows any more after your experiences. I got a bad taste in my mouth at a show about 12 years ago where there was a bunch of neo-nazi merchandise for sale. I still go to one every 2-3 years, but don't have much enthusiasm for them.

jmace57
January 6, 2013, 01:11 PM
Not just the outdoor ranges. The indoor pistol range I go to has gouges in the ceiling, floor and walls within inches of the shooting areas.

A number of us were swept with a loaded Glock (with the person's finger on the trigger) during my CCW class shooting portion of the class. The person turned around saying "what do I do next?" (they had never taken the gun out of the box before that day). You wouldn't believe how fast this old fat boy moved to get out of the way!

Girodin
January 6, 2013, 04:41 PM
I hadn't been to a gun show in years. The one around here just never have anything priced remotely close to what I can get it for elsewhere. And that was in non panic times. I went to the a gun show very recently just to get a laugh at what was going on. It was worse than I could have imagined. Aero percision stripped lower for $500. A built no name lower (likely with a DPMS kit) $800. BCM rifle for $3k+. The crappiest looking used Oly AR for $1500. MOE non window Pmags for $60.

Beyond that almost ever table selling accessories was filled with NCStar and other Chinese knock of junk.

Lastly, even things that are not in particular demand the prices were extremely high. Since I know what dealer price is on many of them, I enjoyed listening to the dealers telling people they had such narrow margins they couldn't mark them down. There likely wasn't a gun in there that someone couldn't have gone a few miles down the street to the LGS and gotten for less and certainly no more, to say nothing of buying on line. An example fo the pricing that was common on items that are not even really in demand. I saw a star BM in typical used condition, priced at $450. They are $250 all day online. Even if you pay a high transfer fee, say $35 (I pay $10) and drop $20 to ship it and pay for hand select, you'd be well below that silly price.

There were A LOT of people there. I had to wonder why. It didn't seem like people were buying much, which wasn't too surprising given what was being offered.

I got a kick out of the laughable sales pitches being given buy those behind the tables.

I was not amused at how many times I was swept with firearms.

In sum, absurdly high prices on everything, lots of air soft quality accessories, and lots of nonsense behavior by both vendors and attendees.

TonyInFla
January 6, 2013, 05:43 PM
I go the shows locally to buy reloading components then get out. Locally Varget goes for $28.85 per pound and is $20 at the shows.

mopar92
January 15, 2013, 11:48 AM
Don't forget the beef jerky and wonderful arts and crafts. :)


Ron
Hahahahaha that's funny.

Godsgunman
January 15, 2013, 12:51 PM
The last show I went to, a couple months ago, my wife actually went with me, which never happens. It was even her idea, I guess she's finally figured out that I'll never give up my love of guns. Anyways as we were walking in there's some dumby walking out in his hunting camo carrying his rifle and sweeping everyone walking in. It was probably a good thing my wife was with me because I was pretty upset about it and was about to "set him straight" but my wife stopped me. It did serve as a good teaching moment though and I was able to use this guys stupidity as a prime example of how not to carry/handle any firearm ever.

Reloadron
January 15, 2013, 07:05 PM
Went to the large NE Ohio (Cuyahoga County Fairgrounds) show this past weekend. While there was no shortage of over priced ammunition and AR type rifles the show was pretty good overall. I saw several Colt Government Series 70 pistols and several real nice Colt & S&W revolvers. There are a few sellers always there with top notch high end stuff. I may catch them next weekend at the Medina, Ohio gun show. There was one S&W Model 27 I really liked. Also saw a set of S&W N Frame beautiful walnut grips for $150 I should have snagged. Saw several sets but one set was absolutely beautiful and my Model 29 would like them. :)

Overall not a bad show. One guy had some real nice Mosins with nice bores and nice lumber in the $130 to $170 range for those into such things.

Also saw a few nice Springfield Trapdoor rifles but it so hard to fine nice wood and a minty bore. Looking to replace one I parted with years ago. :(

Overall, again, depending on what trips your trigger there was nice stuff and overpriced junk as usual. While I was not looking as I am well stocked there was nothing in reloading supplies that jumped out at me but I wasn't overly looking.

Ron

xfyrfiter
January 15, 2013, 07:28 PM
We usually have 4 shows a year in my area, and I will not attend 2 of them as they want me to unload and ziptie my cc pistol. The other 2 do not care and I have seen much less unsafe gunhandling at the ones I attend. More older guys at the second and put on by and for the benefit of the VFW.

justice06rr
January 15, 2013, 09:16 PM
Where do you live that your fellow citizens are that dumb???

figment
January 15, 2013, 10:10 PM
Muzzle sweep: I stopped using a jackass rig for these same reasons. I think you would be surprised by the actual number of times a muzzle crosses your body each month gunshows or not.

I was at the Tulsa show years ago and an off duty LEO had brought a 10MM glock in loaded. He handed it to a guy to check it out and the guy shot him in the leg with it.

stonecutter2
January 16, 2013, 12:12 AM
I have worked behind tables at gun shows all over the Midwest for years and it is truly ubelieveable that people can be so stupid and unthinking and yet be issued a driver's license and allowed to vote and raise chiuldren. Several times I have been in huge auditoriums with an incredibly loud background noise level that forced you to almost yell at anyone to converse. Suddenly, BANG. The immediate silence is almost spooky. But the promoters and the cops can't possibly really check every person or gun that enters the building and so it happens. More than you would think. Someone fired a .223 in a show in Illinois and hit two people. Keep your head on a swivel folks. Going to some gun shows can be the riskiest thing you ever do next to going to a public range on a busy day. I gave that up too.
I live down the street from where the Illinois show was. Walked in about 10 minutes after it happened. Pretty freaky stuff.

I still don't care about going into gun shows, things happen and that's just how it goes. My wife however still gives me grief when I go to one.

I just wish the universe had decided to let me win the lotto instead of attend a gun show where someone shot a round off.

Oh well. Probably karma for something bad I did.

anchorman
January 16, 2013, 12:35 AM
But the promoters and the cops can't possibly really check every person or gun that enters the building and so it happens. More than you would think.

I've been to quite a few shows over the last 6 or 7 years here in alabama, and have NEVER experienced any of this. so far as I remember, every show i've been to there is a couple of cops at the door checking ALL of the guns, and locking the bolt open with a zip tie. I know at one show I attended, even the dealers had all of their guns tied open. Never seen people pointing guns in unsafe directions, never heard any guns go off, though I wish they would quit with the taser demonstrations... I guess I should consider myself lucky?

BHP FAN
January 16, 2013, 12:45 AM
I LOVE the Tazer demos! A local company will let you have a free stun gun [not a Tazer, though] and almost every time a big tough guy will c**p his drawers, and they give him his $20.00 toy. Good times.

TreeDoc
January 16, 2013, 02:42 AM
I quit going to gun ranges for the for mentioned reasons. Swept by loaded guns by a dumb@$$, ADs , NDs, shot roof tiles, shot floors, heck have even had my target shot on my lane. I'll just go out to the farm from now on. It's a bit of drive, but I'm still alive.

Isaac-1
January 16, 2013, 03:36 AM
So much of this is about the organizers, those that enforce ALL guns must be zip tied open, all guns must be double checked and tied on entry, etc. can be much safer, the ones where they have just anyone walking aroun carrying guns, no checking at the door, etc. those are the ones where accidents are more likely to happen, because the simple truth is with so many guns and so many people in such a dense space there is no such thing as a safe direction.

Sniper66
January 16, 2013, 10:31 AM
I have been going to guns shows, lots of them, for the past 10 years. The best is the Wannenmacher in Tulsa. For those of you who have never been there, it happens twice a year and has over 4,000 tables. The crowds are huge with many thousand guns on display, handled, shouldered, and carried about. Have I seen unwise behavior? Sure. But, but compared to other activities like driving, flying, eating motel food, going to football games, even bathing; guns shows are safer. I rarely feel such freedom and safety as I do at the Tulsa Gun Show. I love being around other gun enthusiasts.

Pyzon
January 16, 2013, 06:49 PM
If the local fire officials saw the crowd at this past weekend's show in Hilliard, OH (NW Columbus) I guarantee he would have crapped his pants. Wall to wall crowds is an understatement. Not many good deals or quality sellers, as usual at this show, but guns were flying off the tables nonetheless. Way too many people to feel safe though.

PavePusher
January 16, 2013, 08:26 PM
How and where is a fella going to shoulder a rifle or shotgun to see how it fits at such a show?
Floor or ceiling?

Seriously, did you forget a sarcasm tag?

PavePusher
January 16, 2013, 08:27 PM
I went to the Franklin Tn AG center show this morning. $10 was ok... There were some very reasonable dealers and then some stealers. As to be expected. I guess the reason I won't go to another show is pretty simple, safety. Indoor ranges are bad enough, but this is about the 5th gun show for me in about 16 months time. Right off the bat, before the show even started, a guy getting an SKS out of a car muzzle swept my friend and I. He unloaded the rifle AFTER he swept us pretty good.. standing in the first 200 people to get there, a guy behind us somewhere said " oh crap, and unloaded his Ruger Blackhawk. His buddy had a Glock Magazine that was full, and per the sign " no loaded magazines", he took it to the car. Well, the entire line of folks bringing in their long guns had NOT been chamber checked by the show admins... I know I am sounding like a gun grabber, which I am clearly not. So much muzzle sweeping and mishandling of guns it wasn't even funny anymore. Once inside, muzzle sweeping left and right. Some wank was testing an Eotech and was shouldering an 870 and pointing it all over the place... We made our rounds, bought a few things, and got the hell out of there. I have never been to a gun show that instructed some sort of code of conduct about weapons. In my opinion, they need to be patrol carried and stop aiming at people walking around. Are all gun shows this negligent? As gun owners, and right to bear arms Americans, in general, we need to enlighten some people about general gun safety and awareness. I am proud to be a gun owner, and you should be too, but not what I have been seeing at these shows. I really mean it this time, no more shows... I really mean it.... Hope nobody gets hurt.... Take care.
I've been to many gun shows here in Arizona.

I have not yet seen a clearing barrel anywhere near one.

I have one at my front door.

PavePusher
January 16, 2013, 08:46 PM
Some things you never forget how to do.

Dirt diving when unexpected gunfire erupts close to you is one of them.

You can tell old GI's from old civilians that way.

rc
Yeah, that reflex never really goes away completely.

PavePusher
January 16, 2013, 08:51 PM
I gave up on the local Gun Shows about a decade ago... but not because I ever experienced any dangerous/negligent behavior.

I found that the actual firearms & related selection had gone down, the prices had gone UP, the average Gun-IQ appeared to have noticeably dropped and the carpark was full of Beemers (probably one of the reasons for the prices going up).

It had changed enough that any enjoyment I derived failed to, at least, equal the hassle of attending the thing, so ...

The most enjoyable show I ever attended was in Medina, OH in 1988(89?). I still have the fine .44 Marlin 1894 that I found there. :)
Hey, I have a BMW, and an extremely nice one too.

It's also 12 years old, I bought it used at a bargain price because it was broken, fixed it myself and do most of the maintenance myself. It was originally a $75K car in Jan. 2000.

So don't assume, project or stereotype too much, eh?

GBExpat
January 16, 2013, 09:05 PM
Hahaha ... OK. ;)

RetiredUSNChief
January 16, 2013, 11:17 PM
I've never taken a firearm to a gun show. But all the ones I've been to (last one was over 10 years ago), all incoming firearms were verified free and clear and then cable tagged at the door before entering.

Knowing the process for checking a weapon free and clear, I do this BEFORE getting to the gun show. When I walk up to the door, the magazine is already out and the slide locked back.

I do NOT want any other person (including law enforcement at the door) handling my firearm before I've already verifed it free and clear, with the slide locked back. Nor do I want to contribute to a crowd of hundreds of people who may be in line, each potentially with a weapon that must be checked free and clear before entering.

We all know that the most dangerous routine handling time for a weapon is the part where you unload it.

Add to that the fact the you absolutely cannot get large groups of people together and get them ALL to follow even the simplest of directions EXACTLY as stated and ONLY when they're told. You'll ALWAYs have those numb***s in line somewhere who simply cannot wait to get to the clear area at the door where they're supposed to have their weapons verified free and clear and cable tagged. Doing this in a crowd of people on all sides is NOT the place to do this...no safe place to point (even down has somebody's toes in the way, not to mention ricochets) and too many distractions and people who can jostle you.


Like driving in traffic with other vehicles flying all about you, this is a time and a place to be extremely vigilant with respect to situational awareness and gun safety.

9MMare
January 17, 2013, 01:02 AM
We usually have 4 shows a year in my area, and I will not attend 2 of them as they want me to unload and ziptie my cc pistol. The other 2 do not care and I have seen much less unsafe gunhandling at the ones I attend. More older guys at the second and put on by and for the benefit of the VFW.

How do you know it's much less if you dont attend the other ones?

9MMare
January 17, 2013, 01:03 AM
I've never had the desire to attend a gun show... with internet sales and FTF sales from the boards in conjunction with a few decent dealers that I developed a relationship locally in FL I assembled a nice collection.

I just haven't yet went out to try and find a dealer here in PA.

Although I haven't had the urge to buy anything -- yet.

Apparently you are not a beef jerky fan.

Ah well, to each, his own ;)

mopar92
January 20, 2013, 05:45 PM
I'm as pro gun as they get. But I am also as pro safety as I can be personally. I rest my case...this has to stop! It's giving us gun guys a bad name!!
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/19/us/north-carolina-gun-show-shooting/index.html

Damon555
January 20, 2013, 06:13 PM
Where do you live that your fellow citizens are that dumb???
The United States

Clean97GTI
January 20, 2013, 06:17 PM
I rarely bother with gun shows anymore. There are a couple dealers around town that attend all the shows and every so often they will do some good deals at a show. Mostly it isn't worth the $10 or more to get in. I'll only go if I need ammo for a milsurp that I don't want to wait for and even then its a crapshoot if they will have what I want. More than once I've been unable to locate 6.5 Jap.

Makes me want to rechamber the Arisaka for something else. :o

mopar92
January 20, 2013, 06:37 PM
Well, the gun show ND's happened this week in Indiana, Ohio, and NC... Not TN..

dcarch
January 20, 2013, 07:11 PM
Yeah, in Iowa, our gun shows are still six dollars. They're fairly small and low-key.

mopar92
January 20, 2013, 09:03 PM
You all need to move to IOWA Got a 84 Dodge Ram with racing cams....perfect.

You put a twin cam engine in an 84' Ram.. Wow. ;)

mopar92
January 24, 2013, 07:57 AM
Yeah man!

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