2013 Ruger line up....RCM's R.I.P.


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H&Hhunter
January 5, 2013, 11:07 PM
The 2013 Ruger line up is conspicuously lacking the the Alaskan line in the .375 and the .416 Ruger. The African line which includes the .416 and .375 Ruger now all come with a GAWD awful looking huge muzzle break. And the RCM's seem to have died the ignominious death they so desperately deserved.

The .300 and the .338 RCM's were an answer begging for a question and apparently the shooting public didn't find them too attractive as they did nothing that numerous other existing rounds didn't already do better. I guess the boys at Ruger are trying to change things up a bit and cutting some fat out of the line.

I think that Ruger may be hanging their hat on the new American which IMHO is a mistake. But time will tell I guess.

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tahunua001
January 6, 2013, 02:00 AM
they also cut a number of calibers from their number 1 internationals...now it only comes in 7 mauser...ick... I've been hoping for one in 303 brit or 30-06 but apparently that's not going to happen anytime soon.

they also cut the P345 handgun.

hipoint
January 6, 2013, 02:54 AM
there's a guy locally on a "popular social networking" site that has been trying to unload one of the ruger 'american' rifles for weeks now, posting it multiple times a day on all the 'stuff for sale' pages... no one has even bitten as far as I can tell. i can't say what it is, but something about it turned me off too and I love swapping/trading.

while I don't own anything 'exotic' I certainly hate seeing these things getting cut. makes it harder for the guys who do shoot that stuff as then the stores start slacking in keeping it stocked...

I guess that's why for my main gun, I use a 30-06, not so much that I absolutely love that round, just that it's about as standard as it gets and USUALLY you can find it anywhere you go.... not lately though :scrutiny:

Auto426
January 6, 2013, 03:34 AM
Look at their new Guide Gun (http://ruger.com/products/guideGun/models.html). It's basically a cross between the now discontinued Compact Magnum and Alaskan models.

As far as the compensator goes, it sure is fuggly, but if it works I could stand it on the stainless guns. However it looks terrible on the African models with their traditional looks.

Gtscotty
January 6, 2013, 05:34 AM
Yep, The RCM's live on in the new Guide Guns. Also, there has been several changes to their pistol line up.

I had to analyze a business for one of my MBA classes and I wound up choosing Ruger. This is pretty much their MO, they are continually bringing out new models and chamberings while discontinuing existing ones. Their constant obsoleting of current offerings creates a bit of urgency and helps keep sales up. Also, the continuous in-flow of new models and even product classes keeps people interested and buying.

Of course, this strategy will lead to the discontinuation of some excellent models.... This year it looks like a bunch of N0. 1's got the axe, along with the excellent Hawkeye African chambered in 9.3x62 (RIP).

Robert
January 6, 2013, 11:18 AM
I'd rather have a Winchester anyway.

TimboKhan
January 6, 2013, 11:59 AM
I would love that guide gun in .30-06. Few people have earned my respect as quickly and completely as h&h hunter, and i know he probably thinks of me as a misguided child on account of my love of Ruger rifles (sans American), but there it is.
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fdashes
January 6, 2013, 12:18 PM
HiPoint,,,can you give us more info...where is that site that is offloading a Ruger American and for what price and caliber. I have two now and they are a super shooting rifle and a super price. I would be very happy to take one off his hands.

H&Hhunter
January 6, 2013, 01:18 PM
they also cut a number of calibers from their number 1 internationals...now it only comes in 7 mauser...ick... I've been hoping for one in 303 brit or 30-06 but apparently that's not going to happen anytime soon.

A Number 1 International in .303 would be a very cool combo!!:cool:

H&Hhunter
January 6, 2013, 01:21 PM
and i know he probably thinks of me as a misguided child on account of my love of Ruger rifles (sans American), but there it is.

:D:D

if you were to look in my safe you'd actually find a couple of the "cooler" Rugers living there.

I'll tell you what guys those gynormous breaks on the Hawkeye Africans are about as offensive looking (to me) as can be on a "classic" rifle like that.

TimboKhan
January 6, 2013, 02:08 PM
Lol, I knew you had a dark side!

Seriously though, i love that gunsite scout i bought. Who knows to what extent Cooper would have approved of that rifle, but it sold me on the concept. The guide gun has similar lines and i have been looking for an ought six with iron sights for a long time.

For the record, a #1 in .303 would be awfully cool.

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H&Hhunter
January 6, 2013, 02:17 PM
The guide gun has similar lines and i have been looking for an ought six with iron sights for a long time.

IF I could get one in non psychedelic laminate I'd be on board too...That stock is a bit micro dot buss fugly for my tastes.

And the really good news is that about 45 minutes with a hacksaw and a lathe and I could remove that blight of a muzzle break and cut a nice deep target crown into the muzzle.

Other than that I like the platform. That would make a kick butt .375 Ruger platform too.

Njal Thorgeirsson
January 6, 2013, 02:30 PM
Look at their new Guide Gun (http://ruger.com/products/guideGun/models.html). It's basically a cross between the now discontinued Compact Magnum and Alaskan models.

As far as the compensator goes, it sure is fuggly, but if it works I could stand it on the stainless guns. However it looks terrible on the African models with their traditional looks.
Although I'm sad to see many great No. 1's get the axe, i will admit- the guide gun has my attention. Although I wouldn't buy one in any non-standard cartridge (would only consider the .300 winmag, .338 winmag or .30-06), I do like the looks of the muzzle brake with the stainless barrel and unusual colored laminate. But the muzzle break does indeed look awful on the traditional walnut/blued rifles.

But I won't be getting one anytime soon, as I just spent some money on a No. 1 in .458 Lott, which I am now very happy to have. It was by far the least expensive way into an unnecessarily large (for North America) African cartridge like that. I'm sad to see them go.

But in all honesty, I do like Ruger's tendency to introduce some unusual (and temporary) models from time to time, even if it is just a sales strategy. I personally think the guide gun looks pretty sweet, but i can definitely see why others will dislike it.

Auto426
January 6, 2013, 02:52 PM
But in all honesty, I do like Ruger's tendency to introduce some unusual (and temporary) models from time to time, even if it is just a sales strategy. I personally think the guide gun looks pretty sweet, but i can definitely see why others will dislike it.

They do make some interesting models. For instance, I'm drooling over the M77 African in .223 they have listed. That may seem odd, but there's just something about an iron sighted bolt action that I can't resist. I love the looks of the African models (sans compensator), and the .223 would make for fun, economical shooting. I know it's meant as a trainer rifle for the big bruisers, but it's the only one I would want.

H&Hhunter
January 6, 2013, 03:38 PM
I like that little bugger African in .223 too. I wonder if they twisted it to shoot heavier bullets? I'll have to go look. That'd sure be a neat little yote popper though.

xfyrfiter
January 6, 2013, 04:57 PM
My bil has a model 77 African in .458 wm and that rifle needs a brake if firing full power loads. Loaded down and using hard cast bullits it is a real pleasure to shoot, otherwise it just is not fun to shoot and will break bones if not prepared lol.

xfyrfiter
January 6, 2013, 05:09 PM
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JR47
January 6, 2013, 05:30 PM
It's not like the Winchester Short magnums, or Super Short Magnums, are setting the world afire, either. I'm thinking that the idea of "almost the same performance" in a shorter cartridge isn't quite what the makers hoped it would be.

I would expect to see a "Hard R" .45 ACP pistol in the line-up soon.

gpb
January 6, 2013, 05:51 PM
It’s sad to see the number of No. 1 Rugers being offered reduced so drastically. I have a feeling that the future of the No. 1 may be in doubt.

I have a love hate view of the No. 1. Years ago I had one on .222 Remington. It kind of shot and it kind of didn’t shoot. In other words in wasn’t bad as far as accuracy, but it never lived up to what you expect out of a .222 Remington.

I have often thought about getting another No. 1, but they always seemed like a roll of the dice. Some shoot well, some don’t, and some in between like the one I had. I hate spending $1000 on a rifle and then needing to spend another $500 to $700 to get it to shoot. It looks like Ruger is going to make the decision for me by discontinuing the line.

Crashbox
January 6, 2013, 05:57 PM
I am also really bummed by their current (lack of) offerings- they have swung the axe something fierce IMO.

Even though it hasn't been current in a while, I'm glad I got my 1-H .405 when I did, and wouldn't mind another in .416 Rigby or even another .405...

I wonder exactly what they're thinking WRT this paring down...???

kludge
January 7, 2013, 04:02 PM
they also cut a number of calibers from their number 1 internationals...now it only comes in 7 mauser...ick... I've been hoping for one in 303 brit or 30-06 but apparently that's not going to happen anytime soon.

they also cut the P345 handgun.

You must have missed the run in .303 Brit.

horsemen61
January 7, 2013, 04:16 PM
I am excited about their new commander sized 1911 it very well could be my next handgun purchase :D

Revoliver
January 7, 2013, 05:19 PM
I like the new guide guns. I am curious though if Ruger's new muzzle brake on everything is simply screwed on and able to be easily replaced or pinned (or worse welded) on.

Gtscotty
January 7, 2013, 06:38 PM
Check out the "Features" section on the Guide Gun page. The Guide Gun has a "Muzzle Brake System" that comes with the muzzle break, a muzzle weight (same weight as the break so POI is not affected) and a thread protector. It actually sounds like a pretty sweet setup, use the brake to develop loads and practice, then put the muzzle weight or thread protector on when you're out in the field. Or if you're hunting something that could bite back, I guess you could leave the brake on for faster follow-ups.

The more I look at Ruger's new Guide Guns, the more I think that I might need one to keep my Hawkeye African company. I wonder how the .338 WM does out of a 20" tube?

paintballdude902
January 7, 2013, 08:15 PM
am i the only one that thinks laminate stocks look like ****? yuck! especially with the crazy colors and grey....

Gtscotty
January 7, 2013, 09:59 PM
Possibly. I think the salt and pepper laminate stocks (think Gunsite scout) are pretty snazzy. While the "Green Mountain Laminate" stocks on the Guide Gun are not quite as snazzy, they aren't too bad, and I don't think I would be very bummed if one got a dent or scratch in the course of a hunting expedition.

dvdcrr
January 7, 2013, 11:20 PM
Ruger:

Bring back the 6mm!

bannockburn
January 8, 2013, 11:58 AM
Not really a big fan of either the laminate stocks or the muzzle brakes. The worst offender is the Guide rifle with that Green Mountain Laminate and the muzzle brake; together they actually could make a mud fence look nice. And I really don't like the muzzle brakes on the African models; as if someone at Ruger thought a shotgun choke tube would look good mounted on the end of a rifle. They just don't go with the more traditional appearance of walnut stocks and blued steel. The only one that looks "right" in that line-up is the .223 model that, of course, doesn't have one.

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