Big Caliber Semi Automatic Rifles


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FrankieJames7
January 6, 2013, 09:30 PM
Well, since non-Alaskans control Alaskan laws time is now running out to get a semi-auto :banghead:

Not looking for a small girly shooter as we already have a Mini-14 in .223

So who makes the best AR-10? not interested in carbine guns so I would prefer a barrel 18" on up

M1A's any good?

Also looking for a gun that could be somewhat "tactical", and by that I mean running stuff like ACOG's and VFG's, detachable mags, and "tactical" stocks

also I'm heavy into mechanics so I'm not scared of maintenance or mods

Thanks for responding guys

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FrankieJames7
January 6, 2013, 09:31 PM
also forgot about adding in the Saiga in .308

J.R.W.
January 6, 2013, 09:48 PM
.50 Beowulf, 'nuff said.

Robert
January 6, 2013, 09:52 PM
If you have the money, and 6 months minimum to wait, then the LaRue Tactical OBR is very tough to beat. The GAP 10 is another top end AR10, as is the JP LRP07.

mberoose
January 6, 2013, 10:34 PM
FN FNAR would be a consideration of mine.

Silverado6x6
January 7, 2013, 07:54 AM
M1A is what I would invest in, with a synthetic stock or go whole hog with a modern EBR stock. Wood is nice but you get issues with wood in extreme temps and humidity.
If you must stay with the AR platform then those big thumpers like the .450 and 50 Beowulf are great at 100 yard encounters such as blackies or moose.

But in all honestly respects I might carry the .308 with Barnes bullets against a brown bear, usually I would a .375H&H bolt, but if I had to run or take a defensive stand I could get more shots off with the semi auto, I wanted a BAR in .338 years ago for bear but never picked up one, that would be a great gun other than the AR or M1A.

brnmw
January 7, 2013, 08:37 AM
.458 SOCOM could be another choice.

Reloadron
January 7, 2013, 08:40 AM
For an AR 10 I like the Armalite rifles and for the M1A I like the Springfield flavor. However, while the pictured rifles are .308 I don't quite consider .308 a big caliber. When I think Alaska I think images of the larger H&H 375 family. :)

http://www.bearblain.com/images/AR10%20M1A.png

Ron

vaupet
January 7, 2013, 08:41 AM
For nordic conditions, one adres, three letters: FAL

Girodin
January 7, 2013, 01:05 PM
So who makes the best AR-10?

People could debate "best" for weeks. In fact, a google search will turn up such debates. If I were after a very very good .308 AR I would probably get an OBR. They make an 18" and 20" version. This is not a cheap gun. There are 308 ARs that are both more and less expensive.

Depending on my exact purposes and budget I might get another type of weapon. For a general use gun a the SCAR 17s appeals to me. It weighs a lot less than many of the other semi 308s and offers good accuracy (but not great accuracy like the OBR). However, all the one's I've seen are 16".

I don't know what the market is like up in AK. Right now it may be a matter of getting what you can get at relatively reasonable price. The good news is that some of the high end guns like the OBR may not have had as big a run on them. The bad news is that many of them may have already had waiting lists. LaRue's website will take an order on the OBR. I don't know and in a brief check didn't see what they wait time, if any, was.

Neo-Luddite
January 7, 2013, 01:15 PM
Oh, I don't know; the M-1 Garand could still serve most needs well and IS likely not priced beyond means. Check out the CMP: odcmp.com Let your Gov provide the weapon and ammo (albeit through an intermediary of unmatched quality). You get fast with 8 round enblocs: remember, unlike an M-1a mag, a two-handed ordeal, the clip pops out with the last round on the old M-1, and you just smack a fresh one home and close the bolt in one fast motion. Proven in the cold and .06 has a pretty solid punch ~ at least on par with .308. The M-1 was my 'poor man' M1a after I bought a mini-14 in 90. I now have 2 M-1's and still have that little mini---and I've never again wanted the M-1a I once coveted. Worth thinking about.

tahunua001
January 7, 2013, 01:17 PM
M1 garand from CMP?
it's a pain in the rear to set up an account with them as they require proof of marksman ship skills, proof of US citizenship and half a dozen other forms to fill out but you can get them in both 30-06 and 308 now, they are cheaper than most people see on the shelves of pawn shops and they ship right to your door.

brnmw
January 7, 2013, 03:36 PM
So who makes the best AR-10?

LaRue Tactical OBR.
Knights Armament SR-25 ECR
Both have 20" barrels but both are over $3k, but very accurate and dependable.

FrankieJames7
January 7, 2013, 09:13 PM
Thanks guys, I am open to all semi auto's, and when I mean "big caliber" I was meaning something bigger then a small shooter like .223, already got an M1G, I will look into AR-10's and an M1A, don't know anything about FAL's so that could be a gun I could get later, there is already too much brand names out on the market for just AR's

SO...right now I just want brand names for AR-10's

And brand names for M1A's(didn't hear anything too good for springfield)

texas chase
January 7, 2013, 09:32 PM
Google M1 Garand 458 win.

Not my cup of tea but interesting.

I'd go with one of the 450, 458 socom, etc ( in an ar-15) personally if I were inclined to something like that

fatcat4620
January 7, 2013, 09:37 PM
SMLE, run it like a semi auto.

redneck2
January 7, 2013, 09:39 PM
I had a Remington 7400 in .35 Whelen. Plenty accurate. Bought it for an elk hunt that never worked out.

Right now I've got an AR in .358 WSSM (wildcat). Just took a deer at 279 yards two days ago. Shoots three shot groups in the .4's with 180 grain Hornady SP's over 48.7 of AA 2015. Cranks them out at about 2,850.

buckhorn_cortez
January 7, 2013, 09:46 PM
If you want "big" place an order for a .458 SOCOM. Several manufacturers make them. "Best" is a personal opinion. I have a Baer .308 and it's the "best" I could find for accuracy. It also weighs 14lbs with a scope + ammo and is NOT a gun I'd want to carry in the field for hunting. For an overall field grade .308, you'd be hard pressed to find something functionally better than an FN SCAR 17. If you want it in an AR style platform for field use - then the OBR would be the way to go.

PigButtons
January 7, 2013, 10:18 PM
Spent two years in the Alaskan interior. If I had my choice of weapons to carry up there it'd be the FN FAL. It'll handle the crappy weather better than any of the others, always runs, uses any ammo available, reasonably good accuracy, a little heavy but not bad, and tough as nails. You can get a top cover that has a rail on it to mount a scope or other optics and now handguards with rails as well. This is the best site i've found for parts and knowledge on FAL's.

http://www.dsarms.com

Quiet
January 7, 2013, 10:22 PM
+1 on an AR in .458Socom.

d2wing
January 7, 2013, 11:22 PM
Not tactical but you can get a BAR in 30-06 or Magnum calibers as well as Remington 750. Not high volume shooters, limited round count. Not as rugged.
In tactical you can get the FNAR or Winchester versions in .308 or .300 Win mag. Otherwise
In .308 hard to beat a decent AR 10. Plus you can change calibers easy or reconfigure easy mount optics, big mags and most are top notch in accuracy. Saigas, FAL etc are reliable and rugged, but substandard accuracy, not great for optics.

DammitBoy
January 7, 2013, 11:28 PM
450 Bushmaster

Reloadron
January 8, 2013, 04:05 AM
Thanks guys, I am open to all semi auto's, and when I mean "big caliber" I was meaning something bigger then a small shooter like .223, already got an M1G, I will look into AR-10's and an M1A, don't know anything about FAL's so that could be a gun I could get later, there is already too much brand names out on the market for just AR's

SO...right now I just want brand names for AR-10's

And brand names for M1A's(didn't hear anything too good for springfield)
That being the case as to AR10 I have an Armalite .308 and have never had an issue with the rifle. My M1A is a Springfield .308 which I have had about 20 years, again never a problem or issue with the rifle. So while I have little to no experience with other manufacturers, I have been real pleased with what I have.

Ron

50 Shooter
January 8, 2013, 05:25 AM
Look up www.vigilancerifles.com some of the highest firepower semis on the market. All it takes is money, like how much you're willing to spend.

Deer_Freak
January 8, 2013, 05:32 AM
I would look at what ammo is easy to get in Alaska. You will be able to narrow your choices down in a hurry. I have a 30/06 because I can get ammo anywhere for it. I don't have to deal with large animals that want to turn me into a grease spot. I would look for a 300 mag or larger. Sadly, a BAR is going to be your most reliable choice. Where you going to get parts for the latest tacti cool rifle in Alaska?

redneck2
January 8, 2013, 06:56 AM
I didn't mention my .458 SOCOM. Very moderate recoil for something with that much power. Factory ammo is $3-4 each. Spending $35 to fill a ten round mag gets old quick. Gotta be a reloader to afford to feed one of these.

Even reloads are pricey. Just the bullets alone cost about fifty cents each for 350 grainers. I'm getting into casting so the finished rounds are maybe ten cents each.

lovethosesooners
January 8, 2013, 07:58 AM
FNAR-Definitely....very accurate, lighter than AR-10, reliable, barrel slow to heat, complete package

Girodin
January 8, 2013, 11:48 AM
That would actually depend on the models in question. The FNAR, is accurate, but it is not light weight, its telling that FN USA doesn't even list its weight in their specs on their website. Nor is it a particularly rugged rifle.

The FN AR weighs about 10 lbs for the heavy model, about 9 lbs for the lighter profile barrel.

This armalite model weighs just under 9 Lbs.

http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=10A4BF&ReturnUrl=Categories.aspx?Category=f4bd4a13-55d1-41aa-aea0-49488ec48776.

Normally I would say a strike against the FNAR is the price of mags but right now its hard to know what is going on with mag prices and availability.

303tom
January 8, 2013, 01:20 PM
You mean something like this............

mach1.3
January 8, 2013, 01:22 PM
I am not in Alaska but am going in July. OK, on a cruise with my wife--not a big game guided hunt but we're looking forward to it.

Anyway, I have a Browning BAR in .30-06 which is a great gun. It's not an AR platform but I'm more of a traditionalist. It shoots accurately but is somewhat heavy to tote around. If I were hunting dangerous game I wouldn't want to be short on firepower.

BTW: I watch "North to Alaska" with Larry Czonka--one of my fave hunting shows. Shooting Alaskan Ptarmygan on the tundra looked like great fun.

Good luck on your quest for Alaskan weaponry.

MikeOBWan
January 8, 2013, 01:48 PM
With all the comments on FN-FAL and AR-10s i'm surprised no one mentioned FN SCAR 17s. It's light more accurate than the FAL and more reliable than the AR.. Granted it's the most expensive of the lot, and the mags are hard to find, but the gun is amazing.

gspn
January 8, 2013, 03:21 PM
.458 SOCOM could be another choice.
A buddy of mine has a .458 SOCOM...the barrel is so big it looks like he could launch grain silo's out of it.

EdLaver
January 8, 2013, 03:52 PM
The Remington R25 has been excellent and accurate for me...

Txhillbilly
January 8, 2013, 09:03 PM
Well if the OP wants BIG in semi-auto,and on an AR style platform,these are about as big as you'll find in a production rifle.

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/11412610/rifles-for-sale/semi-auto-rifle/noreen-noreen-bad-news-338-lapua-w-2ftimney-and-picatinny-.338

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/11412648/rifles-for-sale/semi-auto-rifle/noreen-noreen-bad-news-300-win-mag-semi-auto-.300

I love the 458 SOCOM,but unless you reload,it isn't cost effective. I can't comment on the factory ammo,mine has never seen any.

Topkick
January 8, 2013, 09:57 PM
M-14, .308 - 150 gr. bullet - 20 rds.
Rem. M7400 - 30-06 - 180- 220 gr. bullets - 5/10 rds.
M1 Gar. - 30-06 - 150-160 gr bullets - 8 rds.
Mod. 870 - 12 ga. rifled tube - slugs - 7rds.

HHollow
January 9, 2013, 08:59 PM
FrankieJames7: In your opening post you wrote "Well, since non-Alaskans control Alaskan laws time is now running out to get a semi-auto"

I do not understand what you mean. Don't you guys elect your state govenment just like the rest of us? Is there some new Alaska state law that we all should know about?

I do see that Alaska is a "Firearms Freedom" state. See http://firearmsfreedomact.com/state-by-state/

http://firearmsfreedomact.com/map.gif

nyc71
January 10, 2013, 02:00 AM
.458 is a very impressive round out of an ar.

FrankieJames7
January 10, 2013, 03:15 AM
FrankieJames7: In your opening post you wrote

I do not understand what you mean. Don't you guys elect your state govenment just like the rest of us? Is there some new Alaska state law that we all should know about?

I do see that Alaska is a "Firearms Freedom" state. See http://firearmsfreedomact.com/state-by-state/

http://firearmsfreedomact.com/map.gif

sadly Alaska is a state to this country, and that means gun control up the bung :banghead:

with the recent shootings dumb celebrities and liberals are going to go crazy after gun control, and sooner or later, it's going to happen

FenderTK421
January 10, 2013, 03:43 AM
I bought a Rock River Arms LAR-8 locally in Anchorage. Love the gun! So far it has eaten everything from surplus Radway Green to Wolf. It uses FAL mags and has been 100% reliable. Accuracy has been better than the cheap optic I (still) have is capable of. Can't go wrong, especially if you already have an FAL (which I do :D).

joeschmoe
January 10, 2013, 05:13 AM
sadly Alaska is a state to this country, and that means gun control up the bung :banghead:

with the recent shootings dumb celebrities and liberals are going to go crazy after gun control, and sooner or later, it's going to happen

No. Not going to happen. Sounds like you've already given up. I though Alaskans were tougher than that.

GCBurner
January 10, 2013, 01:21 PM
I've been considering getting one of the CMP Rack Grade M1 Garands, and having Shuffs replace the worn .30-06 barrel with a new .35 Whelen version.
http://shuffsparkerizing.com/services/m1-garand/

texas chase
January 10, 2013, 04:29 PM
I've been considering getting one of the CMP Rack Grade M1 Garands, and having Shuffs replace the worn .30-06 barrel with a new .35 Whelen version.
http://shuffsparkerizing.com/services/m1-garand/

Wow. Now that'd be interesting.

FrankieJames7
January 10, 2013, 04:30 PM
No. Not going to happen. Sounds like you've already given up. I though Alaskans were tougher than that.

ROFLMAO!

have fun with your liberals. Non Alaskan

GCBurner
January 10, 2013, 05:22 PM
Wow. Now that'd be interesting.
Yeah, I don't have anything in .35 calibre yet, but I always thought it would be interesting, particularly as a semi-auto. The .35 Whelen is ballistically similar to the .350 Remington Magnum, but will load and feed from the 8-round clip of the M1, since it's just a .30-06 necked up to .35. The Field or Rack Grade Garands are generally good mechanically, but with worn bores, and run $525 for a Field, or a bit less for a Rack Grade. Shuffs will rebarrel it with a brand new barrel for $395, giving it a new lease on life for less than $1k.

Dr.Rob
January 10, 2013, 05:26 PM
Colt 901 if you can find one.

G-3 style rifles from PTR haven't gone up a great deal in price and magazines are available.. but wow do they heat up fast.

USAF_Vet
January 10, 2013, 06:04 PM
+1 for the .458 SOCOM and .50 Beowulf recommendations.

FrankieJames7
January 10, 2013, 06:26 PM
So many brand names to choose from.

HorseSoldier
January 10, 2013, 07:37 PM
Depends on what the OP is wanting a big bore semi-auto for. If the main concern is to get one now while the getting is good, I'd say you really can't go wrong with the usual suspects in 308, all of which I think have already been mentioned (M14 clones, FAL clones, and G3 clones, plus some honorable mentions like the FNAR and Saiga). They're not the only show in town, but if you're buying in an era of uncertainty as to just how damn-fool crazy our government, with its known history of damn fool craziness, is going to get, I'd want something in a common caliber with a big pool of magazines and spare parts floating around just in case things go profoundly sideways.

If I was going to go for a less common caliber (458 SOCOM, 50 Beowulf, whatever) I'd also invest in a lot of brass for them in case the present insanity starts including ammo restrictions or considering certain calibers to be an "evil feature" in and of themselves.

(For the record, I don't think will go that sideways, and am actually guessing restrictions end up as a no go, but if I were worried about making purchases before the government went off the rails, the above are the sorts of things I'd be thinking.)

jr_roosa
January 10, 2013, 08:03 PM
Regarding CMP orders:

it's a pain in the rear to set up an account with them as they require proof of marksman ship skills, proof of US citizenship and half a dozen other forms to fill out

???

Super easy: the forms are no worse than the transfer form at the gun shop. You do need a copy of your birth certificate, but who doesn't have one of those? CCW card works for shooting activity, or just go shoot a match and keep the results bulletin. You do need to belong to an affiliated club, but every gun club I've ever belonged to was in, and many state associations are in. You also have to find a notary, but your bank has one of those too.

Seriously, I did the whole thing in my PJs at my desk for the last one I ordered. My mother-in-law is a notary, so I just had her bring her stamp to the house, so that's cheating a little.

Get a field grade and you can tinker to your heart's content. If you have deep pockets, Krieger will make you just about anything you want. Only restricted by the diameter of the gas cylinder rings and barrel thickness and budget.

Also, .30-06 is not too shabby of a round. You can load 220gr bullets hot as long as you have a modified gas plug and are feeling adventurous. A little hard on the rifle, though.

-J.

Warp
January 10, 2013, 08:17 PM
M1 garand from CMP?
it's a pain in the rear to set up an account with them as they require proof of marksman ship skills, proof of US citizenship and half a dozen other forms to fill out but you can get them in both 30-06 and 308 now, they are cheaper than most people see on the shelves of pawn shops and they ship right to your door.

It is not that difficult. It sounds like you haven't actually done it. You listed 2 of the 3 main requirements and then said "a half dozen other forms"...what are you talking about?

-US Citizen (birth certificate or passport)
-Membership of affiliated club, many are accepted, and the GCA is $25 online and they send the membership info electronically to the CMP
-Training (pretty much any training, or DD214, or a sheet signed off by a range officer or LEO saying they observed you being safe

And they can then send the rifle right to your door.

Service Grade M1 Garands are $650 shipped. You can't beat that.

http://www.odcmp.com/Sales/eligibility.htm

HorseSoldier
January 11, 2013, 12:16 AM
-US Citizen (birth certificate or passport)
-Membership of affiliated club, many are accepted, and the GCA is $25 online and they send the membership info electronically to the CMP
-Training (pretty much any training, or DD214, or a sheet signed off by a range officer or LEO saying they observed you being safe

Being military when I signed up, I only had to show proof of citizenship and military ID counted for both of the other two requirements.

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