CNN P Morgan talking gun control again tonight


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nathan
January 7, 2013, 07:34 PM
Just to let everyone know so we can better prepare as to what these antigunners are up to.
Not that we support him, so pls dont misconstrued me here.

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opto_isolator
January 7, 2013, 09:10 PM
on now.....wow, alex is blowing it up!

Upstater
January 7, 2013, 09:13 PM
It's about time somebody came out in public in support of our 2nd amendment rights!

ahellers
January 7, 2013, 09:18 PM
I had to change the channel, I only saw a min or two. I don't know who this guy is but I'm sure the show vetted him to appear abrasive and overwhelming. Notice it's the only time Morgan has ever sat back and let some one else talk when the topic is guns. Despite his intentions I'm sure he's doing more harm then good.
Gotta go the Simpsons are on.

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kwguy
January 7, 2013, 09:25 PM
Why oh why is that clown (Morgan) given air time? I just caught the "lead up" to the video he's going to have. The fact that CNN gives him airtime with his own segment, but not anyone else who is pro 2A, speaks enough about them, but then he comes on and says "I LOVE the constitution, and the 2nd Amendment, but there's no reason for a civilian to have a weapon designed for the military or police" (paraphrase). He is just clueless as to what he talks about.

Then he parses his words to skew it to "gun violence in the U.S.", but will refuse to talk about the violent crime rate in England or Australia. What a sad dreary world to live in, being in fear of a home invasion or an assault, and where preparing to defend yourself against it is considered "criminal intent". It must be like living in the sad world of "Half-Life 2".

He says it's crazy to be able to go to wal-mart to buy a gun off the shelf, but in that same wal-mart, you can hardly buy psuedofed (sp) because it's "bad for your health". Really? He doesn't even know what that's for, and then he leads people to believe we have no gun laws in the U.S.

We, as responsible firearms owners in support of the 2nd amendment, are waaay more responsible than that guy, who is using and abusing and absolutely demolishing the 1st amendment with lies and half truths.

"A british accent does not make one smart, and a southern accent does not make one dumb." - Unk

Killian
January 7, 2013, 09:45 PM
Isn't he deported yet?

Hunterdad
January 7, 2013, 10:16 PM
I'm embarrassed to call myself a gun owner when I have Alex Jones representing me. That dude needs some medication.

Grassman
January 7, 2013, 10:34 PM
I won't be watching, I can already tell you his talking points.

breakingcontact
January 7, 2013, 10:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyKofFih8Y

He threatens him to a fist fight...yes!

Mr Jones is angry and radical. Someone needs to be.

Do you feel this sort of emotional appeal to reason is beneficial or detrimental to our cause?

SuperNaut
January 7, 2013, 10:38 PM
Please tell me that Alex Jones was there as a crackpot and not as a representative of gun owners.http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111107003558/runescape/images/1/1f/Emoticon-Facepalm.gif

3twelves
January 7, 2013, 10:38 PM
haha owned

mister_murphy
January 7, 2013, 10:42 PM
I dont feel either side really represents the other in a honest fashion...

When a host or guest on a show wants to talk over the other, or otherwise be a bully, it shows its not a true debate, only a dictatorship. Both Mr Morgan and Mr Jones are guilty of the same at different times over their respective careers. Neither have my respect. Honestly, neither probably would want my respect given the choice.

Hunterdad
January 7, 2013, 10:42 PM
Jones made all gun owners look like tinfoil hat wearing idiots. I'm embarrassed to call myself a gun owner.

Yes, he made good points, but his delivery was disturbing. I wish I never watched it.

Jorg Nysgerrig
January 7, 2013, 10:46 PM
Alex Jones sure as hell doesn't represent me. In 7 minutes, Alex Jones has done his best to undo all the hard work that the members of this forum has done to portray the positive face of gun ownership.

I am ashamed to be lumped in with this guy.

Prophet
January 7, 2013, 10:48 PM
Oh gosh no. Tell me I''m misunderstanding and Morgan didn't really have Alex Jones on. Regardless of what you think of Jones (I don't) it doesn't help that most everyone (neutrals and fence-sitters particularly) surmise him to be a nutcase. Morgan had him on with every intent to malign us and throw us all in the same satchel with him. Fantastic.

I heard Joe Arpaio is supposed to be on too.

breakingcontact
January 7, 2013, 10:57 PM
Glad he expressed his passion and brought up the tyrants mass murdering their unarmed victims.

A loud mouth Texan w a radio show against a liberal Brit...it wasn't going to be pretty. He should have focused on the 2nd amendment more.

Sent from my DROID X2 using Tapatalk 2

BHP FAN
January 7, 2013, 11:02 PM
Alex Jones makes some really good points, but it hurts my throat to hear him talk.

wideym
January 7, 2013, 11:05 PM
During the last part of the show either Piers or one of the Kennedy bunch pretty much said that middle America's opinion doesn't matter only the east and west coast, which is pretty much how the media covers the "gun control" debate.

Also, Alex Jones is a useful idiot for Piers and the gun ban crowd. Any factual information or comments that might have swayed people was immediately disregarded when Piers (who knew just what he was doing) asked him about Sept. 11th.

powderx
January 7, 2013, 11:05 PM
Alex Jones is NOT a good spokesperson for this cause.

GiorgioG
January 7, 2013, 11:05 PM
He's a nutjob. Obviously Morgan had this guy on knowing he'd come across as <deleted> crazy - and Piers would come across as the reasonable one.

The whole 'interview' was just an incoherent rant. Then the talks of 9/11 conspiracies? Followed by his awful attempt at a 'british' accent....ugh the whole interview made me cringe.

Prince Yamato
January 7, 2013, 11:06 PM
Alex Jones has a very "distinct" personality. I don't always agree with him, but I think his style was a perfect counterpoint to the loudmouth liberal media.

chris in va
January 7, 2013, 11:15 PM
Loved it. I grew up in Texas, miss the attitude dearly.

Someone needs to stand up to these people, especially when they don't respond to proper discussion.

The left is counting on a fractured and divided gun owner culture so they don't have to do it for us.

Prophet
January 7, 2013, 11:22 PM
Alex Jones sure as hell doesn't represent me. In 7 minutes, Alex Jones has done his best to undo all the hard work that this forum has done to portray the positive face of gun ownership.

I am ashamed to be lumped in with this guy.

What Jorg said. There is no doubt in my mind that Morgan did this on purpose to malign us and throw us all in the same satchel with an immature and petty individual whom often cannot be taken seriously and most view as a nut. It would be better for us if he were on the other side imho. I've been puzzling over it and I am at a loss as to how gun owners should react to this misrepresentation tactic. Hit Morgan/CNN/Alex Jones/etc. on Twitter & Facebook? Who should we notify? This is a propaganda war people, something at which the other side has always excelled whereas we've always sucked. Case in point. If anyone comes up with any ideas post up over in Activism. I'm in.

Edit to add; I'm not at all saying that strong language is not a necessity, especially when dealing with the likes of the equally immature and petty Piers Morgan. I'd simply much rather it come from someone other than Jones.

Edit to add II;

The left is counting on a fractured and divided gun owner culture so they don't have to do it for us.

These also are wise words. Something to keep in mind should we decided to get active on this issue, should we do so at all. It's possible that we might draw more attention to the debacle by creating a debacle of our own.

hso
January 7, 2013, 11:28 PM
That's all we needed.:banghead:

Morgan isn't going to reasonable appearing RKBA advocates on his show. He's using the people who the pubic will find the least relatable to hang us.

Alaska444
January 7, 2013, 11:34 PM
Alex Jones sure as hell doesn't represent me. In 7 minutes, Alex Jones has done his best to undo all the hard work that this forum has done to portray the positive face of gun ownership.

I am ashamed to be lumped in with this guy.
Can you say Agent Provocateur? I wonder how many of the allegedly conservative folks that act like fools in front of TV are truly just that.

breakingcontact
January 7, 2013, 11:34 PM
The left doesn't do anything on accident. Morgan knew Alex would do his rant/shtick and Piers would play it straight. However if someone like Jones wasn't on the show...being ticked off...who would be? John Lott? Wayne LaPierre? Probably not.

Alex got out his message. Not necessarily ours. Suppose that another issue with the left, they find someone from the fringe and put them up as an example of an entire group in their attempts to marginalize their enemies.

I like that Jones explores radical things. A lot of it I don't agree with but that's OK. Perhaps his radio and website are more appropriate venues for him than a liberals TV show...if he can't dial it back and stay on message that is.

taliv
January 7, 2013, 11:36 PM
i really wouldn't sweat it. both sides have their fruitcakes and moonbats.

besides, his ratings aren't exactly substantial

MarshallDodge
January 7, 2013, 11:54 PM
Alex is reflecting a chunk of the American population that thinks like him. He portrayed this strongly.

I did not like the part where he started sounding like a nut job and blabbing all kinds of incoherent words and statistics. He could have left out the part out about the boxing match as well.

hso
January 8, 2013, 12:02 AM
Can we deport him to whatever planet he comes from?

Midnight Oil
January 8, 2013, 12:05 AM
I'm a pretty firm believer of the "there's no such thing as bad publicity" philosophy. Those that have chosen sides, will most likely continue to be on that side. those on the fence, however, whether they agree or not, the hope is that these kinds of things get them to look into what the debates are about on their own. "what is this loon talking about?" or "Hmm... that sounds right." that being said... i'm still not sure where i stand on how things will play out due to this interview :confused:

there were many video game companies that got a lot of flak for making extremely violent games (Rockstar). The media blasted them as evil, and gave rise to the likes of Jack Thompson (The premiere video game nazi). All this did was help further sales of said games...

Prophet
January 8, 2013, 12:06 AM
besides, his ratings aren't exactly substantial

Sometimes stuff like this fades into oblivion, but sometimes numerous media outlets, independent or otherwise, will take a segment like this and run with it regardless of the source's ratings.

both sides have their fruitcakes and moonbats.

This we can most certainly agree on. All we can hope for is that they at least cancel out.

mastiffhound
January 8, 2013, 12:07 AM
It was hard to watch, and I just watched bowling for columbine. He looks like a full blown wack-a-doo. I understand emotions running high. That is no excuse.

Yes, they are trying to take our firearm rights.
Yes, I've scraped more worthy things off of the bottom of my shoe than piers morgan.
Yes, we should we be angry.
Yes, the numbers for murder rates have went down.
Yes, men and women have a right to protect themselves.
Yes, a vocal and well spoken advocate is a good thing.
Yes, I'm tired of fearing what might happen.
Yes, something is not right about blaming firearms when it is people who actually kill.

If you think for a second that the people who book this show don't know how an over the top at least half-way crack-pot would act you are dense. These are the types they always show on T.V. after something bad happens. They always find the craziest or most feeble minded fool to talk to. I'm sorry Mr. Jones, but I feel we as a whole of 2nd Amendment supporters should distance ourselves from people that act this way.

Quick Shot xMLx
January 8, 2013, 12:24 AM
After the interview they're up there lying their asses off saying the FBI statistics aren't true and the garbage Kennedys that came on later saying that the 2A isn't about defense against a tyrannical government.

Alex is out there sometimes but almost everything he said was right on. Glad someone finally told Piers Morgan he's free to go back home if he doesn't like it. It doesn't really matter how he acted, the battle lines have been drawn. Nobody watching CNN or Piers Morgan is going to be like "gee I was for gun rights but this Alex guy sounds kind of crazy, we should turn them all in." The battle is in Washington right now, it doesn't matter what the people think(exhibit A: Obamacare).

Davek1977
January 8, 2013, 12:50 AM
If Alex Jones is involved, chances are, I don't want to be. The man is the epitome of tin foil hattery, and he DARN SURE doesn't represent me in any way shape or form. Any sort of association with him is met with instant suspicion if not outright dismissal by most thinking people. He represents me like Hitler represented the Jewish population. I find it hard to take anyone seriously when they are associated in any way with the man. Even if they have valid points, being associated with him damages credibility.

It doesn't really matter how he acted,

BS!! If he is out there representing gun owners, as he appears to be doing, it most certainly matters how he acts. I want ANYONE supposedly representing my interest to be dignified, respectable, and decent. Just because the opposition can sometimes act as fools and animals doesn't give us reason to do the same. At this point, its about public relations as much as anything, and I don't want AJ being the guy to represent our side of things. I'd rather a credible person, who isn't sucked into (or creates) every conspiracy out there, who doesn't act act rude and belligerent, and who generally doesn't come off as a total tool much of the time be representing us. He does more damage than good, and that goes for almost any cause he throws his weight behind.

nathan
January 8, 2013, 12:55 AM
Im watching right now, it was something hearing Alex Jones. I like the first part when he said 1774 will rise again. But after that he begun to sound weirdo. Oh Jesus, this is not good . He was more of a loonie type.

TwoEyedJack
January 8, 2013, 01:01 AM
At least hardly anyone watches his show.

12gaugeTim
January 8, 2013, 01:02 AM
A lot of Alex's rantings are conspiracy theory nonsense but you can't deny he got cold hard facts in while Piers did his little "ask hardly relevant questions and pretend like its the best argument ever formed" deal. Piers made no effort to legitimately counter the statistics Alex provided, which frustrated Alex to no end. Alex saw this as valuable and rare air time for his school of thought, and jumped on the opportunity a bit to energetically.
Piers probably knows deep down that his arguments for a new AWB aren't close to legitimate compared to the arguments against one. He knew if he called on a hot-head like Alex Jones then he wouldn't even have to bother making his argument, he could just look on him condescendingly as if to say that liberals are level headed, rational people, while conservatives are radical paranoids. Alex played right into this of course, but not without providing thought provoking statistics and logic.
What was worse than Alex was Piers' "what gun was used in Aurora?" argument. Alex tried to explain how rarely long arms are used in violent crime, but was of course ignored. That's probably the worst argument for a new AWB you could make. It's like saying your mom spilled decaf on herself and got burned, therefore civilians shouldn't have access to obviously super dangerous assault decaf.

gspn
January 8, 2013, 01:10 AM
Id never heard of Alex Jones prior to that interview...and i hope i never see him again. That guy is nuts.

CNN did a masterful job using that guy as he face of the gun rights crowd to paint us all as lunatics.

nathan
January 8, 2013, 01:17 AM
He was chosen bec he was one of the ones leading the deport P Morgan .

NormH3
January 8, 2013, 01:20 AM
Interesting, because when I heard Mr Jones speak, it reminded me of many posts I have read on firearms forums and Facebook lately. Take a close look at youself before you judge him. Let's also remember that Piers Morgan is an entertainer. Of course he is going to have someone on that will rant and rave. Deep breaths people...deep breaths.

captain awesome
January 8, 2013, 01:21 AM
you know, it is unfortunate that Mr. Jones was unable to keep a level head, but he is still on our side. He has the balls to say things a lot of people, particularly on this forum, do not. I applaud him for that. While he may play into conspiracy theories (I don't know enough about him to comment much on this) it doesn't make him "radical" or an extremist. Since when was fighting for our God given rights that have been written, documented and upheld in this country for over 200 years "radical or "extreme"? Those of you who think this should be ashamed. Mr. Jones is a patriot, even if he is not well spoken one. We will unite or we will fall.

sonick808
January 8, 2013, 01:25 AM
Dershowitz was the scariest of all that entire show. Advocating the ownership of firearms is inherently racist ? This just in, the word racist is now completely de-fanged.

Midnight Oil
January 8, 2013, 01:51 AM
Dershowitz was the scariest of all that entire show. Advocating the ownership of firearms is inherently racist ? This just in, the word racist is now completely de-fanged.

it's not just Dershowitz that draws some kind of direct relationship between gun ownership and racism. Michael Moore also shares these views. I'm not sure how owning a gun and wanting to retain them makes you racist... but it sure works well to fire up those that are thoughtlessly pro gun control. yet another tactic to employ emotion in the absence of logic...

Justin
January 8, 2013, 02:04 AM
*Justin removes his official THR Moderator Hat, hangs it on a coat peg across the room, walks over to the couch, and sits down. He then sighs and warily eyes that hat before delivering the following.*

Alex Jones is a cretin. He is a lunatic who sees a conspiracy behind ever bush and a terrorist behind every dumpster. He is an idiot. A foil. The sort of person who I deeply and dearly wish was on the other side in the gun control debate because every time he opens his CostCo-sized maw and spouts something, it is bound to be a grenade thrown into his own camp.

Regardless of your feelings about the mainstream media and their role as lapdog to the powers that be, Alex Jones is still a thoroughly reprehensible, completely unhinged sociopath who's willing to make loud and obnoxious sounds "in the name of freedom" in order to build the ranks of his core audience.

No one capable of critical thought would take Alex Jones at face value, at least no more so than they would believe Mr. Magoo capable of actually predicting the weather or Ray Kurzweil being able to induce The Singularity through his own effort.

You should all goddamned well know better than to trust him as a primary source.

*Justin stands up, walks across the room, takes his official THR Moderator Hat off of the coat peg and puts it back on.*

As for Piers Morgan, of course the man is frightened to the point of soiling himself when confronted with the image of a gun. After all, he's frightened to the point of soiling himself when confronted with Jeremy Clarkson.

michaelbsc
January 8, 2013, 02:15 AM
...Alex Jones is a cretin. He is a lunatic [...] who's willing to make loud and obnoxious sounds "in the name of freedom" in order to build the ranks of his core audience.

No one capable of critical thought would take Alex Jones at face value...

And just how many people who were watching CNN do we expect to be capable of critical thought. Damned few.

I dare say that fewer than 20% of the entire population has had an original thought ever once enter their heads. As much as I despise the "sheeple" concept I'm afraid it's not far off the mark.

So Morgan got exactly what he wanted. And frankly so did Jones.

Justin
January 8, 2013, 02:19 AM
And just how many people who were watching CNN do we expect to be capable of critical thought. Damned few.

I dare say that fewer than 20% of the entire population has had an original thought ever once enter their heads. As much as I despise the "sheeple" concept I'm afraid it's not far off the mark.

So Morgan got exactly what he wanted. And frankly so did Jones.

Just because CNN is a biased source and Piers Morgan is an idiot is no vindication of Alex Jones. That there are people who actually try to make this argument is utterly incomprehensible to me. People like David Icke and Alex Jones do us far more harm than good, and you should know better.

texasgun
January 8, 2013, 02:19 AM
wooow.... the most disturbing part was Dershowitz (or however you spell that name) stating pretty much that guns are not part of the american culture and and and... well... guess what: the american culture is not defined by him in the Northeast/Harvard or NYC for that matter :banghead:

Alex Jones: C.R.A.Z.Y ... I'm a gun owner and that guy is just nuts. Does significantly more harm than good... great job from CNN putting an absolute loon/9-11 truther and whatnot on the program...

Screamin'Eagle
January 8, 2013, 02:34 AM
It actually wasn't that bad until Piers asked Alex about 9/11.

texasgun
January 8, 2013, 02:44 AM
lol... Alex lost me when he started about talking that the government buys "1.6Billion" bullets, helicopters in the sky and armed "predator" drones in North Dakota arresting people....

sorry... that guy is just crazy. really poor representation of the average gun owner. :banghead:

Quick Shot xMLx
January 8, 2013, 03:07 AM
lol... Alex lost me when he started about talking that the government buys "1.6Billion" bullets, helicopters in the sky and armed "predator" drones in North Dakota arresting people....
Solicitation order for 750 million. There are a couple of these.

https://www.fbo.gov/index?tab=documents&tabmode=form&subtab=core&tabid=651d82263050f621cee349a5594e43e3

The drones over ND from the LA Times.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/10/nation/la-na-drone-arrest-20111211

texasgun
January 8, 2013, 03:20 AM
^^

I give you the drone story...

the 1.6B bullet story is grossly misleading though.... they ordered and additional 200K bullets (which is not a lot by any means... heck I personally shoot 2K a year or more) and "apparently" that totals to 1.6B bullets already secured. the only sources for the 1.6B number are forums and conspiracy sites...

I'm not going into the 9-11 truther stuff... but Alex lost it. sorry. he was highly annoying and didn't do us a favor...

Davek1977
January 8, 2013, 03:41 AM
Interesting, because when I heard Mr Jones speak, it reminded me of many posts I have read on firearms forums and Facebook lately. Take a close look at yourself before you judge him Are you familiar with Alex Jones outside of this interview? If you are, you KNOW he's a prime example of the "deranged conspiracy theorist". Having somewhat similiar views on one topic hardly makes one a mirror image of this lunatic moron, and I certainly don't want him being the spokesperson for ANY cause I find important, let alone this one. If he is "our" face in this battle, we're doomed, and rightfully so for allowing such a person to take the forefront. If AJ was right, govt troops would have already stormed my home, taken my guns, beaten me, probably raped my wife, and locked us up in an indefinite detention camp "just because they CAN, you know".

kwguy
January 8, 2013, 06:16 AM
Piers Morgan knew exactly what he was doing. He KNEW the whole time that he was going to go into the 9-11 conspiracy thing. He just sat there, playing the "rational" role instead of his usual whining, ranting persona, while Mr. Jones when off.

Mr. Jones made some good points, such as the violent crime statistics, etc, and wouldn't let Morgan get a word in edgewise. That was of course, planned. Then Piers changed the whole story around into the one thing he knew would discredit everything that Mr. Jones said, even if it was true: conspiracy stuff. What?! Really?! What does that have to do with the current topic? Nothing, that's what.

Ever hear of the phrase "to make a lie believable, put a little bit of truth in it?", well, Piers Morgan did the opposite: "to make the truth sound ridiculous, put a little bit of "discredit" in it." That was his play from the start. He'll never debate anyone on equal terms, because he KNOWS his facts are bs, and all he has are his little "factoids" (which was dead on, btw). When he did argue with someone who had some facts, Larry Pratt, he had no defense, so he just called him "stupid" on the air. Even then, Larry Pratt didn't rise to the bait. He just asked how Morgan could be so morally obtuse, that he would have people be defenseless. Morgan looked like he didn't even know what that meant.

Piers cannot talk about the 2nd Amendment with any real knowledge, nor can he talk about firearms with any real knowledge, because he has no knowledge of those topics. He doesn't really care to learn about those things, either. He's a court jester, playing for entertainment points. All he did was set Mr. Jones up as the defacto "spokesman" for firearms owners, and then discredit him. It was planned from the start.

somerandomguy
January 8, 2013, 06:41 AM
Please tell me that Alex Jones was there as a crackpot and not as a representative of gun owners.http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111107003558/runescape/images/1/1f/Emoticon-Facepalm.gif
Yeah, even Jesus is facepalming as he watches CNN. rofl

freyasman
January 8, 2013, 08:06 AM
oh man....:banghead:

breakingcontact
January 8, 2013, 10:42 AM
If he is "our" face in this battle, we're doomed, and rightfully so for allowing such a person to take the forefront.

Don't think we elected him to lead us.

BCCL
January 8, 2013, 10:46 AM
Alex Jones, did last night what he is becoming more and more known for, being brought in (and paid to be there) to provide an example of the "crazy right winger" for scripted "news" shows.

I've had to put up with people that eat, sleep and breathe the "Gospel of Alex" since his late night shortwave radio days, the man is a charlatan.

KMatch
January 8, 2013, 10:48 AM
I haven't read all the posts here, nor do I watch this show, nor do I know this Jones character... With all my ignorance on the subject on the table, I still wonder, "Don't you all think Piers' crew chose Jones to make us all look like over zealous idiots?" There are more well spoken people on our side, but they could have blown Piers' weak comments completely off the map. How would that help his case? No, they get someone like this, and get him to lose his cool to make all of us look like we do the same. I do worse in a pinch, so I don't play the part of a standup guy knowing my place. But, Jones got the nod, makes us look bad, and makes Piers a hero (to some). That was no accident. Jones has some good data, and a strong backbone we need. He just needs to let someone else do the debates.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
January 8, 2013, 11:33 AM
As others have said, Piers Morgan is very intelligent. He knew what he was doing. He normally talks over and gets loud at others who do not share his opinion. He sat back and played the "sane good guy" act. We need to remember that the anti gun crowd views most of us as "Alex Jones or Ted Nugent" types. We need to mind our P&Q's, this type of hype can hurt us... My local news reported this morning about Alex Jones "goes ballistic" on CNN's Piers Morgan show..... Emotions are what drives us, but need not be what guides us. I honestly wish a true interview would take place....

TwoEyedJack
January 8, 2013, 11:43 AM
Don't lump Nugent in with AJones. Nugent delivered one of the most eloquent defenses of the second amendment I have ever heard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCHtw6WbbnM

brnmw
January 8, 2013, 11:47 AM
Yes, he made good points, but his delivery was disturbing. I wish I never watched it.

I would agree with that.. he did not keep his composure very well at all. Passion is one thing freaking out is another IMO.

I still think Piers Morgan needs to be deported though! :D

CharlieDeltaJuliet
January 8, 2013, 11:48 AM
No, I am not knocking either one. I just said they get emotional and. Say things that we have to be mindful of.. Nothing at all wrong with Uncle Ted or Alex Jones... To each their own... I just don't want to be classified as a nut, because of people letting their emotions get the best of them. I love hearing Ted talk about rights, he is very intelligent, he just sometimes says thing that aren't as positive when he gets emotional..

nathan
January 8, 2013, 12:16 PM
Alex Jones should be condemned for his behavior. In times like these we need a more sane and articulate spokesperson for our right to bear arms, not some out of control gun nut. He was doing very well at the outset but when he got emotional he went foulmouth and got out of control. Thats a no no in the public eye. All our cards are falling down as sane and responsible gun owners. The fact CNN is watched worldwide, that was so stupid .

Trent
January 8, 2013, 12:26 PM
All I can say is "wow."

Just... Wow.

I'd never heard of Alex Jones before now.

But right now I'd like nothing more than to smack both him and Morgan in the face. :)

Idiots.

Grassman
January 8, 2013, 01:34 PM
I don't know why anyone here is surprised by that shows content. There is little chance that they would actually book anyone that presented a convincing, well thought out and practical view of gun ownership that didn't come off as kooks. Not gonna happen on that show.

3twelves
January 8, 2013, 01:58 PM
follow up vid

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NaturalDefensiveRights
January 8, 2013, 02:09 PM
I'm embarrassed to call myself a gun owner when I have Alex Jones representing me. That dude needs some medication.

Judging by your username, you should probably have your guns taken away. You would likely hunt your children into the grave. Find a gun buy back program in your area ASAP; do it for your children. :rolleyes:



Alex Jones sure as hell doesn't represent me. In 7 minutes, Alex Jones has done his best to undo all the hard work that this forum has done to portray the positive face of gun ownership.

I am ashamed to be lumped in with this guy.


This forum hasn't done any hard work. It's just a forum of posts. If any work was done, it's by the users themselves who called their representatives and donated to pro second amendment groups, not the moderators or administrators here.

12gaugeTim
January 8, 2013, 02:22 PM
As others have said, Piers Morgan is very intelligent.

-anti gun
-intelligent
Choose one.

NaturalDefensiveRights
January 8, 2013, 02:27 PM
*Justin removes his official THR Moderator Hat, hangs it on a coat peg across the room, walks over to the couch, and sits down. He then sighs and warily eyes that hat before delivering the following.*


What a pompous intro. I'm not impressed.



Alex Jones is a cretin. He is a lunatic who sees a conspiracy behind ever bush and a terrorist behind every dumpster. He is an idiot. A foil. The sort of person who I deeply and dearly wish was on the other side in the gun control debate because every time he opens his CostCo-sized maw and spouts something, it is bound to be a grenade thrown into his own camp.

I'm not sure what your point is, as you launch your personal attacks. You don't think there are any conspiracies in the world, is that it?



Regardless of your feelings about the mainstream media and their role as lapdog to the powers that be, Alex Jones is still a thoroughly reprehensible, completely unhinged sociopath who's willing to make loud and obnoxious sounds "in the name of freedom" in order to build the ranks of his core audience.


And after they come for AJ, they will come for your family members that spoke up. Eventually, after you've burned all your bridges, they will come for you, and your guns.



You should all goddamned well know better than to trust him as a primary source.


Stop telling other people how they should think. You're not the master of reality. In fact, it seems quite apparent, your reality is putting your head in the sand, and crowning yourself the authority on everything.


*Justin stands up, walks across the room, takes his official THR Moderator Hat off of the coat peg and puts it back on.*

If you're going to begin with a pompous intro, might as well end with a pompous outro, right?



As for Piers Morgan, of course the man is frightened to the point of soiling himself when confronted with the image of a gun. After all, he's frightened to the point of soiling himself when confronted with Jeremy Clarkson.


Finally, we agree on something.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
January 8, 2013, 03:18 PM
Sorry, he is well prepared to stage his anti gun campaign. I will not rate intelligence or the lack of to pro or anti gun. We just cannot classify the ignorant as anti gunners, or intelligence with pro gunners, people have the right to choose for themselves. The fact is that would stereotype them they way they do us(redneck gun nuts who are violent) I don't want to stoop to their level. I should have said he is very smart in the ways of making others look ignorant while spewing facts that only supports his side. He will not even consider his view is wrong or not for everyone. That is where I believe he is ignorant.

lobo9er
January 8, 2013, 03:40 PM
I liked it, piers talks down to everyone it was nice to see someone talk over him. Maybe it was pro wrestling, maybe it wasn't.

nathan
January 8, 2013, 03:41 PM
Well, i hope A Jones is back safely in Austin. But at least he made known to these NYCs we are not giving up our guns without a fight.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AtyKofFih8Y#!

michaelbsc
January 8, 2013, 09:54 PM
Just because CNN is a biased source and Piers Morgan is an idiot is no vindication of Alex Jones. That there are people who actually try to make this argument is utterly incomprehensible to me. People like David Icke and Alex Jones do us far more harm than good, and you should know better.

I didn't try to defend Jones. I think Jones is a smart guy who's got a slick gig making himself a ton of money preying on the gullible - some of those folks I said don't have an original thought in their heads.

Morgan is also preying on the gullible, many in my own family.

So I'll ask again, how many people watching could see through be BS to discern reality? Damned few. Too damned few.

And both of them got what they wanted, a circus, plus the producers sold toothpaste ads.

MachIVshooter
January 8, 2013, 10:01 PM
he did not keep his composure very well at all.

That IS composure for controversial radio hosts. They are, by nature, loud and abrasive.

I doubt most liberals believe Alex represents us any more than we think Peirs represents them. Both are on the fringe, and both are entertainers. They are not to be taken seriously.

gunNoob
January 8, 2013, 10:20 PM
I hate Piers. I don't think Jones made us look very good but what can we do? His points were pretty good though.

DammitBoy
January 8, 2013, 10:33 PM
Jones shoots the gun community in the back with his nonsense

lobo9er
January 8, 2013, 11:00 PM
So it would have been better if piers called him stupid, talked over him using skew'd numbers and misguided information, like piers has done with other pro-gun guests. I wish alex jones kept it cooler, but its an emotional issue. Think about it, a British fellow telling an American how he thinks Americans need to start living. Some might say the time for politeness has passed. Was there specific information that Alex was wrong? call him out on it.

DammitBoy
January 8, 2013, 11:31 PM
Politeness has nothing to do with it. Looking like a fanatical loon not that helpful.

lobo9er
January 8, 2013, 11:38 PM
maybe not. we all have our opinions on Jones, Piers and media.

BHP FAN
January 8, 2013, 11:43 PM
fools, or an Agent Provocateur?

tl1000r
January 9, 2013, 12:12 AM
Safety in numbers. We should get some tips from O on how to "community organize". Maybe a 20 million man peaceful armed march spread out in 4 major regions.elect a spokesperson or two for each one. :evil:

tl1000r
January 9, 2013, 12:19 AM
Guys, our kids, grand kids, nieces, nephews and all their kids for the next several generations needs us to hold the line here on our constitutional rights however we have to do it.

Whatever it takes. If anyone knows of groups forming/formed in eastern Kansas, I would appreciate it. :)

michaelbsc
January 9, 2013, 01:17 AM
Guys, our kids, grand kids, nieces, nephews and all their kids for the next several generations needs us to hold the line here on our constitutional rights however we have to do it.

Whatever it takes. If anyone knows of groups forming/formed in eastern Kansas, I would appreciate it. :)

*WE* need to do it for the children.

radiotom
January 9, 2013, 06:41 AM
CNN always has "crazy" or "dim-witted" etc "right wing extremists" on when it wants to show the other side of the discussion. But they got a little more than they bargained for this time I think.

And anybody coming at it from a neutral perspective cannot say that Piers had a clue to what he was talking about in that interview.

Prophet
January 9, 2013, 10:00 AM
Well, MSNBC is taking this and running with it.

http://www.facebook.com/msnbc/posts/128702507295178

If you have a facebook, take a moment for activism and post a comment for all on MSNBC to read.

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