Where is our "Piers Morgan"?


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SigSour
January 8, 2013, 01:07 AM
Every time I turn on the TV this guy is on there being anti-gun... unfortunately I can't say that about anyone who is pro-gun. It's very sad that many people learn how and what to think by watching television - but even more sad that seemingly no one on TV is offering a counter argument to Morgan's blathering.

CNN knows a person only needs to hear something on TV a few times before they believe it, and right now they are definitely only hearing one side.

Anyone know of a TV personality who is actually fighting the *good* fight that we could get behind and support? I watch the sportsmans channel in CO. and they have shows like 'Guns and Ammo' and 'TacTV' but no kind of commentary (at least I don't know of any) - I would love to see an eloquent person with their own show fighting FOR gun rights...

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USAF_Vet
January 8, 2013, 01:16 AM
There are plenty. Just no mainstream media outlet to get the message out.

mastiffhound
January 8, 2013, 01:23 AM
People with sense about the 2nd Amendment aren't usually seen on mainstream t.v.. They don't want them, because a calm person with knowledge will make the anti-gun nuts (calling ourselves gun nuts is counter productive, but it works fine for them) look like fools. It really is sad that we probably never will have anyone, but I can hope.

nathan
January 8, 2013, 02:20 AM
NRA must have a good spokesman and mediaman. That is very important , not just having them answer questions on TV. It should be an articulate spokesperson who is calm and collected .

wacki
January 8, 2013, 02:23 AM
David Kopel, Gary Kleck & John Lott

You can hear them here:
http://www.intelligencesquaredus.org/debates/past-debates/item/598-guns-reduce-crime

to a lesser extent Eugene Volokh
http://www.volokh.com/

wacki
January 8, 2013, 02:29 AM
In short... we don't have a talking head on TV... and it sucks.

Justin
January 8, 2013, 03:24 AM
Piers Morgan is a limp-lipped halfwit who cowers at the thought of Jeremy Clarkson giving him yet another richly deserved smackdown.

Our side doesn't need a Piers Morgan because our side already has enough idiots.

If you want to speak publicly in favor of guns, simply do so, at elevated volume in public and to your elected representatives.

Hacker15E
January 8, 2013, 09:16 AM
John Stossel

pockets
January 8, 2013, 09:43 AM
Where is our Piers Morgan? Do we want a Piers Morgan?
If so; he would be an American, working for some British news agency, incessantly whining about UK knife violence and air rifle fpe regulation.

BTW: The solution to Piers Morgan's personal problem with firearms in the USA, is for him to simply return from whence he came.

hq
January 8, 2013, 11:17 AM
It's hard not to share Jeremy Clarkson's opinion of Piers Morgan.

ApacheCoTodd
January 8, 2013, 11:43 AM
What we lack are the producers, the network executives and networks in general who are neither dominated by nor in fear of the liberal, - dare I say it - new world order type of agenda.

Just as with everyone else we've whipped in the past, The Soviet Union is getting the last laugh. This week regarding privately owned firearms.

exbrit49
January 8, 2013, 11:53 AM
Just watched the Piers Morgan show in which Piers attempted to interview Jones. What a fiasco. Jones did more to hurt our gun rights than anyone I have ever seen. He was rabid and certainly set back our cause a long way. This is the type of interview that will be used against us constantly.
He portrayed himself (and us) as rabid individuals.
Not what we needed right now.
We don't have a Charlton Heston now and I don't know too many high profile people that would try to pick up the pieces after this Jones fiasco.
Now was the time for a round table discussion and all this jerk provided was a rant! Even Wayne L came across way to strong. Didn't expect him to back down from our positions, but he sure could have been little more conciliatory.
Like it of not! The tide is against us right now and it's going to take representatives that can clearly state our case.
Rants do nothing but paint us as idiots.
I expect this post to raise the ire of some of our members but wake up folks. Take a look at how you are being portrayed. If you think Jones helped our case I would beg to differ.

Cesiumsponge
January 8, 2013, 12:02 PM
You really want someone as uninformed, crazy, and rabidly blind as Piers Morgan to push a pro-2A cause?

You had it last night. How about Alex Jones?

josiewales
January 8, 2013, 12:13 PM
Anyone know of a TV personality who is actually fighting the *good* fight

Ted Nugent? :D

HoosierQ
January 8, 2013, 12:16 PM
That's probably gonna be John Stossel.

There's William Bennett.

Of course there's Ted Nugent.

Not sure if my facts are straight here but I think maybe Dennis Miller has his head on straight here too...not sure about that though.

SigSour
January 8, 2013, 12:20 PM
You really want someone as uninformed, crazy, and rabidly blind as Piers Morgan to push a pro-2A cause?

You had it last night. How about Alex Jones?

No, not a clone of that clown but someone who can address the masses on a daily basis on the subject and is PRO gun. Fred Thompson maybe? Jon Voight? Hell, Vince Vaughn?? Someone, anyone people will watch.

Everytime I have a conversation with an anti-gun person, at some point they usually use the phrase "I heard on TV that..." - it's so one sided at this point.

tyler500e
January 8, 2013, 12:20 PM
+1 on John Stossel.

The guy is brilliant, and not only with relation to 2A, but with economics and liberty in general. He's a former big-government-liberal-democrat turned small-government-keep-your-liberty-and-money-libertarian. If you listen to them, the libertarians actually do have a lot of great ideas.

*Edit* His show is on the Fox Business channel

ApacheCoTodd
January 8, 2013, 12:36 PM
That's probably gonna be John Stossel.

There's William Bennett.


I love what Bill Bennett has to say - if only he could sound a bit more energized. The guy makes me sleepy the way he speaks.

HankR
January 8, 2013, 12:56 PM
Every time I turn on the TV

Why spend time listening to somebody tell you how you should think? Isn't that what the internets are for? :)

SigSour
January 8, 2013, 01:08 PM
Quote:
Every time I turn on the TV
Why spend time listening to somebody tell you how you should think? Isn't that what the internets are for?

That's actually what my wife is for (so she thinks) :D

Baba Louie
January 8, 2013, 02:03 PM
I personally prefer someone more stable, cohesive, and coherent, who will stick to facts and reasoned debate of the topic of deranged individuals bringing harm to the innocent in "Gun Free America" today as opposed to emotional ranting about an inantimate object that requires an operator behind the trigger to shoot fish in a barrel. :rolleyes:

YMMV :uhoh:

Failing that, I would nominate Ted Nugent for the role of adequately insane yet not, gun owner representative to match whatshisname's vitriol. But Uncle Ted has been known to stray pretty far into weird territory as far as mainstream USA Joe Citizen is concerned when it comes to firearms, and that scares some of them I guess. :D

sonick808
January 8, 2013, 02:34 PM
We don't want a Piers Morgan, but a goto guy with a "bully pulpit" aka TV show would be nice

How about Stephen Crowder ?

mgkdrgn
January 8, 2013, 09:15 PM
Why on this gods green earth would we want one?

Carter
January 8, 2013, 09:21 PM
I agree about John Stossel. I've never seen him do anything negative on guns, and he has a lot of great ideas in general.

John Lott and Larry Pratt were nice to see on Piers Morgan, but every intelligent thing they said was yelled over by personal insults, emotional rants, or over generalizations. John Lotts mic was actually cut off during one youtube video I watched that took place last month.

Cosmoline
January 8, 2013, 09:27 PM
Why on this gods green earth would we want one?

This.

Even the most ardent anti-gunners I know from the UK agree with us about Piers. They don't want him back! He has a terrible rep over there.

That said, it would be entertaining to sick Ted Nugent on him.

Cesiumsponge
January 8, 2013, 09:53 PM
It's amazing that John Stossel got away with what he did when he was on ABC. He routinely had pro-gun presentations on 20/20. Everything he presented was completely the antithesis of the network. That's probably why he eventually ended up on Fox, but he doesn't really fit in there either with his very consistent 2A message.

Piers Morgan already tried to interview Ted Nugent, thinking he was an easy target. Ted Nugent cited FBI figures and out-yelled the yelling Piers.

Piers Morgan invited Jesse Ventura figuring he would be an easy target since Jesse dabbles in conspiracy theory. Jesse Ventura got the entire audience to agree with him and Piers ended the interview shortly thereafter.

Barry the Bear
January 8, 2013, 09:56 PM
Charleton Heston Where you gone?

ObsidianOne
January 8, 2013, 10:13 PM
It's amazing that John Stossel got away with what he did when he was on ABC. He routinely had pro-gun presentations on 20/20. Everything he presented was completely the antithesis of the network. That's probably why he eventually ended up on Fox, but he doesn't really fit in there either with his very consistent 2A message.

Piers Morgan already tried to interview Ted Nugent, thinking he was an easy target. Ted Nugent cited FBI figures and out-yelled the yelling Piers.

Piers Morgan invited Jesse Ventura figuring he would be an easy target since Jesse dabbles in conspiracy theory. Jesse Ventura got the entire audience to agree with him and Piers ended the interview shortly thereafter.
I loved that interview. Turned his own audience against him and left him without words. Jesse did awesome, and continues to do awesome work.

Elkins45
January 8, 2013, 10:16 PM
Alex Jones? Really? The craziest guy in America that doesn't have a diagnosis is who they choose to represent gun owners? That's like asking Hitler to debate family planning.

Good thing they don't have an agenda.

DammitBoy
January 8, 2013, 10:30 PM
Penn and Teller, for the unwashed masses, someone they might actually listen to...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec7_1251312990

jbrown50
January 9, 2013, 11:30 AM
Just sit back and think for a moment. Why do the antis use someone like Piers Morgan?

Answer: He's a sensationalist. In other words, he's the town clown. A big mouthed loser who basically got kicked out of his own country for saying and doing stupid things.

He'll do and say whatever it takes to get attention. After all, what other profession is there in which you can get away with making irresponsible statements, spreading misinformation and half truths and get paid for it (besides being a politician)?

Right now he has enough sense not to bite the hand that feeds him but CNN may come to regret their association with him.

crazyjennyblack
January 9, 2013, 12:15 PM
Normally I don't watch CNN. It disgusts me. But I went and watched the Piers vs. Alex episode on youtube, and I have to say that I liked Alex a lot. Finally, someone who displays for everyone what the PEOPLE are actually feeling. Now, I wouldn't want to have Alex Jones negotiating for us at the proverbial "table" with the other side, and I think Jones could change the volume level and the speed of his presentation. However, I found it interesting how Piers Morgan simply could not respond to the facts that Alex Jones brought up and kept trying to go back to the "gun murders" in the UK vs. the US.

In the end, this will unfortunately be spun into "look at Alex Jones, he's crazy." He didn't seem crazy to me. Loud, certainly. But more energized than crazy. If he were a bit more settled down he would be much more effective, but I kind of like his zeal.

Overall, I wish we could get some younger more passionate people into government and into public life, instead of the decrepit wealthy tiptoeing backstabbing gerontocracy that seems to dominate these days. It seems like we have one extreme or the other to choose from and not much middle road.

jon_in_wv
January 9, 2013, 12:23 PM
Why would we want an ignorant fear mongering redcoat for our side?

Carl N. Brown
January 9, 2013, 12:28 PM
I would not want a "Piers Morgan" on our side.

And there are petitions in England to have the home secretary deny Piers Morgan re-entry to U.K. if the petition in the U.S. to have him deported were ever successful.

jon_in_wv
January 11, 2013, 09:55 PM
I don't understand the moral high ground he has when the UK has a higher crime rate than France, Germany, or Norway who do allow guns. They also have an assault and rape rate double that of the US. Their rate of drug crimes is also 300 times that of the US. Where is the morality is saying I would rather see more home invasion robberies and rapes than to allow people to exercise the right to defend themselves. Its sick if you ask me.

crazyjennyblack
January 13, 2013, 03:29 PM
Thanks Jon! :) That was exactly the point Alex Jones was making, and the point that Piers Morgan refused to respond to.... the higher overall crime rate in the UK, instead of the misleading "gun crime" numbers in the US.

jon_in_wv
January 13, 2013, 04:57 PM
I'm not sure I like being compared to Alex Jones but I will say that even a blind squirrel gets a nut once in a while.

Pussywillow
January 14, 2013, 05:39 PM
And I'm not a fan of Clarkson... but he just went up on my list. :D

NaturalDefensiveRights
January 14, 2013, 05:56 PM
Piers Morgan invited Jesse Ventura figuring he would be an easy target since Jesse dabbles in conspiracy theory.

'conspiracy theory' is code for 'someone that questions the prevailing viewpoint or government version of events'. It's as bad as the liberal media using the phrase 'assault rifle'. In fact, they use both ad nauseam to get everyone to baaa like a sheep in unison.

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