[nathan]

Why is he so obsessed against the 2A? In the first place he isnt an American but a British citizen at best. WHo is funding him aside from working at CNN? He keeps stating about how UK successfully passed gun laws in the past after a school shooting. As if trying to say, We British are more smarter than you Americans.

Without a doubt he is now championing himself on this push for an AWB ban that Obama wants to put into law if approved . P Morgan definitely has proved himself he can take the gun community of this great United States. I can t believe why we are letting this foreigner undermining and attackiing our gun rights every single night since Sandy Hook. We need some really good and articulate gun guys to rebuke his constant antigun rantings , innuendos and factoids. This guy just doesnt stop.

[JBrady555]

I think Joshua Boston, the marine who wrote the letter to feinstein, did very well going against Morgan tonight on Pier's show. Very cool and calm.

[Roach79]

here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWQPZ-taYBs&feature=youtu.be

a little debate with piers morgan and alex jones

[mljdeckard]

At the same time, if he's the best they can do, it isn't great. With him, there's a fine line between; "I am leaving this country because there are too many guns", and "I was going to leave anyway because my ratings are so terrible that CNN is considering un-embalming Larry King to take his show back."

[nathan]

THe focus now has shifted to Alex far from the Sandy Hook victims. The Antis are smart to know how to capitalize on this new opportunity, what a sudden shift. They are using Alex and guns as the new punch lines, the more crazier than ever . I hadnt known of an Alex in the last 30 hrs until he showed up with Morgan. We really need some more good knowledgeable, articulate, cool headed gun guys to reverse this negative stereotyping .

[wow6599]

I have never watched Alex Jones.......that dude's crazy!
Too bad he can take it down a notch, because he has great points - he just speaks like a pro wrestler.

[nathan]

Definitely im allergic listening to a British guy telling us about our gun right s needed to be curtailed. Im sure we all have a problem with that. The fact America was founded by patriots who fought against the British monarchy in 1774 and become independent, maybe Morgan is pushing the limits of the modern day American patriots. And of course he got the full political backings and approval of the antigunners to challenge the 2A and gun community as a whole.

[AlexanderA]

Morgan keeps insisting that he isn't interested in banning hunting guns and handguns -- only "assault weapons" and "high capacity magazines." Yet he also refers approvingly to what the U.K. did after the Dunblane school shooting, which was to ban all handguns and semiautomatics. Why hasn't someone called him on this contradiction? The fact is, the antigunners won't be satisfied until all guns have been eliminated. The crowing about "protecting the rights of hunters" and "supporting the 2nd Amendment" is just a dishonest smokescreen. No one should be fooled by this.

[Deanimator]

Pierce Morgan is definitely the frontman of the antigunners
More like the village idiot...

[Davek1977]

Morgan keeps insisting that he isn't interested in banning hunting guns and handguns -- only "assault weapons" and "high capacity magazines."



Better yet, ask him exactly where hunting or handguns were mentioned in the 2nd Amendment. If you read it, and understand it, you have all the justification in the world for owning a so-called assault weapon with a standard (30 rd) capacity magazine. Morgan and the other anti's never seem to grasp this. Our right to own guns has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with recreation. Don't get me wrong..I love shooting sports and hunting, but they really have no basis in a discussion about the 2nd Amendment. Thats one thing antis and Fudds seem to be oblivious to.

[kwguy]

Morgan like's to play with his facts and twist them around. "Factoids" is what Alex Jones called them, and he was right. Morgan won't talk about the fact that there are STILL illegal guns in HIS country. True, their gun murders are lower than ours, but gun crime has doubled since they passed their laws in 1998. There was even a mass shooting there in 2010 in which 12 people were killed, and 11 injured. They also have a much higher violent crime rate than us.

If you are lucky enough to have a double barreled shotgun there, and there is a riot down the street, once you load your gun in preparation to defend your home, that constitutes "criminal intent". You actually have a "duty to retreat" there. What a sad place to be. Surely we can solve our problem without neutering our rights and pandering to fear and hysteria as they have done. As Americans, we ARE different, despite all the nonsense people try to sell us about how we need to be like everyone else overseas. No we don't. We can do this OUR way, and it will work better.

It's like Morgan has a Freudian fear of weapons, and an inferiority complex. Those of us who decide to try to take a little bit of responsibility for our lives, and to protect ourselves and those around us, drive him crazy. I know we're not all some type of "ninja" bada$$es, but by the very fact that we are here discussing this, we have already acknowledged a certain amount of personal responsibility in our lives along those lines. I believe Morgan is unable to take that type of responsibility, and is scared / jealous of those that do.

He has a mouthpiece in the form of his TV show, and he uses it. Josh Boston was calm, collected, and correct. Morgan had no real defense against what he said, so at the very end of the interview, he played on the emotions of the children being killed, putting that up as a "children vs. Josh's rights" issue, to try to make Josh look "selfish" somehow. Lame. That's the talk show host equivalent of crossing your arms and pouting in a corner. Josh won't be back on that show, because Piers couldn't get him to play along (bravo Marine!, well done).

Larry Pratt will be back on the show again tomorrow. Should be interesting. I wonder if Piers will call him stupid again. Pratt also is able to make the 2A argument well. He just needs to keep his cool.

[Cesiumsponge]

I am not sure how Piers Morgan got a job on CNN. Not even the British like the guy and his lousy journalism and questionable ethics. He is linked with phone hacking allegations tying with Rupert Murdoch and there are numerous allegations of him hacking into private emails and phone calls. If you look at the Wikipedia page about him, it's basically a summary of all the jerk things he has done. Jeremy Clarkson (the Top Gear host) even punched him. Three times.

This guy made fun of George Bush, calling him an idiot for falling off a Segway scooter. Piers Morgan fell off a Segway too several years later, breaking three ribs, drawing the ridicule of Simon Cowell. This is a guy who was the editor of the tabloid Daily Mirror and ran FAKE photographs of Iraqi prisoners being abused by British soldiers, then apologized by claiming he was a victim of hoax photographs. The Mirror is up there with The Sun and National Enquirer.

How me made the leap from second-rate tabloid papers to taking Larry King's spot on CNN...he must have some juicy voicemails and dirt on execs.

[cassandrasdaddy]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/piers-morgan-phone-hacking-scandal-new-charges

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3716151.stm
The BBC's Nicholas Witchell said it appeared Piers Morgan remained unrepentant right to the end

"According to one report Mr Morgan refused the demand to apologise, was sacked and immediately escorted from the building," he said.

[Carl N. Brown]

That Piers Morgan would consider Alex Jones a serious interviewee is BS. Alex Jones is a prefab strawman for the left wanting to dismiss any non-left position.

[heeler]

There is nothing more grating too me than to have some non citizen foreigner on our own shores no less, preaching to me how we need to run our house and the guy is even getting paid to do it!!
If I ever went to Europe or any other nation I would keep my mouth shut out of respect for their own ways however misguided that might be.

[rbernie]

How me made the leap from second-rate tabloid papers to taking Larry King's spot on CNN...he must have some juicy voicemails and dirt on execsHe embodies everything that CNN and much of the MSM values - 'progressive' ideals expressed with verbal aggressiveness and covered with a Continental veneer so that it sounds erudite. Considering how much EuroFawning that CNN pushes on a daily basis, it's not hard to see how Piers would come to be their poster child.

His flavor of 'progressives' don't care about ethics any more than any other group that values being in charge more than anything else.

[Pilot]

Controversy equals ratings which = $$$.

He was close to being bounced for really poor ratings. Now what do you think will happen? Just another person exploiting the emotion of the situation for $$$.

[hso]

You do realize that it is entertainment and not news (like most "news").

The show is the slicker newsy version of Springer and they will bring on the people that get the most interest from the public to boost ratings. That means a sprinkling of amateurs to point at as legitimizing picking professional cranks for Mr. Morgan to bat about.

[gp911]

My friends from the UK recently argued with me online about gun control, and their viewpoint is very telling. They both stated disarming the public one piece at a time until no guns were left was "reasonable" so long as concessions were made for "sporting purposes" with those guns locked up at the gun club or similar. They think the 2A is "outdated rubbish" and ultimately they feel that American culture is too paranoid about tyranny, etc. Our Bill of Rights is _literally_ a foreign concept to them. They actually put the word "rights" in lower case and quotes to demean it in context. We went back & forth a good bit before agreeing to disagree, but it's interesting to see over 200 years later the Brits still trying to tell us what is best for us and getting so frustrated by our insistence on having our own view of the matter. The arrogance they displayed as they talked about the "obvious" problems with American culture was almost comical except the subject is no laughing matter. There was no changing their minds, and I am sure their views are pretty common over there.

[heeler]

Friend the British Empire was always known for it's colonial arrogance.
Just ask anyone that lives anywhere they set up camp for years on end.

[kwguy]

The Europeans, including the British, have no clue about independence. They are raised in an Orwellian society from birth. It's all they know. Combine that with arrogance, and this is what you get. They truly cannot understand the way we think, because they are raised as subjects, either to a figurehead monarch, or the state. We're an alien concept to them, as we are to most of the world.

[nathan]

Our American patriots of 1774 resisted against the British Lords with guns. Guns has been the equalizing force between good and evil, oppressor and oppressed... Thats why i love my AK 47, the symbol of resistance to tyranny. Now dont misconstrued me as commie. LOL

[Greenmachin3]

Dual UK/US citizenship holder here. The only reason I maintain my UK citizenship (born in Brighton, Sussex) is because my work often takes me to continental European countries and sometimes Australia. It makes working in those places MUCH easier. Visas are almost a non-issue. Brits think I sound neutral American, Americans think I sound neutral English to Ottowa Toronto Canadian depending on what part of the country I'm in. Either way, living in Texas for 20 years (and loving it) has made me feel American, I've totally embraced the culture and I call the United States home.

gp911, you're right. The majority of UK citizens, especially the younger generation (who are getting to the age where they weren't old enough to remember before the final hand gun ban when it happened), agree with Piers Morgan. There are those who support the possession of firearms over there, but they get drowned out by the masses.

The weapon of choice of violent criminals over in the UK. The knife... the kitchen knife. Knife crime in certain parts of the UK has gone up almost in the 1000 percent range. Stabbings are common, happen frequently in muggings, and overall the country is a more dangerous place over the last 15 years. Non-assimilation by huge immigrant populations, generally stagnant economics and other variables need to be taken into account, but I think the lack of a credible threat by law abiding citizens is what is making the violent crime shoot through the roof over there. For Christ's sake, the UK has more violent crime than South Africa, and Joburg is one of the most dangerous cities on the planet. The banning of hand guns (for most intents and purposes defensive weapons) has caused this in my opinion.

What's interesting is my business partner's wife is a surgeon and has dealt with knife attacks. She basically says a slash looks bad but isn't typically lethal, however it may cut nerves and tendons, and that stabbings are what cause the fatalities and can often times be much much worse than gun shots.

So now in the UK tip-less and rounded kitchen cutlery is being proposed as a way to curb the knife violence because it really is getting out of control. So what's next? I foresee a license to own a cricket bat or any other potentially "bludgeoning instrument". Even grannies won't be able to carry their canes and little picker-upper claws without paperwork.

People mock the slippery slope reply about infringing on a constitutional guarantee, but it really IS a slippery slope.

kwguy, The Swiss Confederacy is one of the few. Funny that most people just call it Switzerland but officially it's "Conferderation Helvetica" hence their currency is abbreviated "CH". The Helvetii were the ancient German-Celt tribe that lived in the Alps. I think few American's realize that their country is a Confederation and works rather well. They understand independence and have fiercely protected it, either through economic/political manipulation or outright war.

[heeler]

And to add to the mix.
Jealousy.
That's right jealousy.
This morning when I left home at 5:30 a.m. I stopped at the store to get my coffee,LCP in my right front pocket,and we friends have that sort of freedom and like spoiled children,they want to deprive you of something that deep down inside they would love to do.
Take someone from abroad to a gun range and see them really shine after shooting for a while.

[Greenmachin3]

Heeler:

I wouldn't say jealousy. I would say a mix of ignorance, fear, wonder, and excitement at merely seeing a firearm makes some of them appear jealous. That's my opinion though. I've taken many of my UK friends to the range here in the US. Once I run them through safety and they start to get the feel for it, YOU"RE RIGHT! they really start to take a shine to it. Most of them have a wonderful time and every single time they're back in the states either on vacation or business they ask me to take them to the range with some of my collection. The same goes for "anti's" too. My business partner and best friend used to be an dyed in the wool anti until he went to the range with me. Not any more. He's got a modest collection started too.

The funniest thing I've seen from a first timer, and this has happened several times, is how cautious they are to reload a magazine, sometimes asking me to do it. It looks like they are afraid a round is going to go off when their thumb is pushing a fresh one into a mag. I explain that if a soldier can trundle around a 130F battlefield all day and not have a single round go off accidentally then pushing one into a magazine will probably be ok. After an hour their fear of the bullet is gone, too.

[kwguy]

@Greenmachin3, I totally forgot about the Swiss, and certainly didn't know it in quite that depth, that's pretty cool. Thanks for the correction. The knife information is really something. I wish the people in this country could hear about that stuff.

@heeler, I think you're right. I mentioned it earlier. On it's face it sounds silly, but for someone like Morgan, who is evidently still an adult adolescent, envy is something he would still subliminally act upon. So it seems anyway...

[nathan]

P Morgan always try to say , Yes I understand your rights to bear arms in his interviews but in actuality he has no idea or clue what the true meaning of it. He says it just to say it on TV. THe man is a Britisher, a subject to the King and Queen of England. A subject by the word alone has no rights, subjects are subjected to the mercy, whims and caprices of their socalled King and Queen. Pls , Mr Morgan , dont let your vaunted BRitish template of a gunless society be shove down our throats. We will spit it out ....

[Prophet]

We're preaching to the choir here guys, while MSNBC is taking this and running with it.

http://www.facebook.com/msnbc/posts/128702507295178

If you have a facebook, take your comment over to MSNBC to read. Keep it sensible and High Road to contrast the craziness of Alex Jones to show them that we are the well-reasoned, intelligent side of the debate. I feel a little silly being one of the few pro-2A folks trying to bring reason and level-headedness into the fray.

[Zeke/PA]

Well, we tried to be nice to the Redcoats in the past.
Hopefully this kind of crap from a citizen of the U.K. will rekindle our support of our 2A rights!

[nathan]

Its a psywar and info war at this stage. Since i already quit my facebook years ago, i have no way to relay my thoughts. Just that...

[Carl N. Brown]

Piers Morgan, Propaganda 101

Piers Morgan having Alex Jones as a gun rights spokesman in a "debate" is the tactical equivalent of having the Unabomber as an environmental spokesman, a low blow cheapshot since there are tons of better spokespersons for both sides.

Wikipedia:
According to the Huffington Post, after an appearance on Piers Morgan's show in January 2013, Morgan and others such as Glenn Beck "agreed that Jones was a terrible spokesman for gun rights".[26]

16. "Piers Morgan: Alex Jones 'Terrifying,' A Perfect 'Advertisement For Gun Control'". The Huffington Post. Retrieved 9 January 2013.

And Piers Morgan picked Alex Jones as guest because he was known to be terrifying and was exactly who Morgan wanted to position as an advertisement for gun control. Like saying the Unabomber is an argument against clean air and potable water.

[RetiredUSNChief]

Interesting how people are so shortsighted as to forget history and human nature, hmm?

It is human nature for the vast majority of people to want to live out their lives in peace, raising their families and doing their business, not causing much trouble.

It is also human nature for a small percentage of the people to act aggressively and controlingly, to take what they want and live off the efforts of others. For these people, strength rules.

Until recently in human history, that strength was what ruled. Even the weapons which were used required strength...clubs, knives, swords, bow, catapult, and so forth.

There are two main tactics the weaker can employ against the stronger:

1. Overwhelm his strength by numbers.

2. Engage the stronger enemy in a position where his strength will not overwhelm the weaker.

The best weapon the weaker have against the strong is one that has the ability to engage the enemy at a distance in which his physical strength is no longer an overwhelming factor. By definition, such weapons have to be able to reach the enemy at long distances, do so effectively, and be portable.

As those types of weapons evolved, power started shifting, allowing the weaker to have a far greater say in the workings of man.


This power struggle is still ongoing. Why? Because it's human nature. And that nature has not changed one wit.

The stronger ruling class may not be the big, burly guys wielding a sword or a mace in the battlefield any more. But they are STILL the stronger...and the ones who hold power. Hopefully, no more power than that which the majority of the population allows them to have.

But power is power...and it corrupts, seeking more power and more control. It always has to be held in check.


Much has been said about this, in one fashion or another. About the power of the gun, and its dangers.

But the gun has brought the weaker something even more powerful than that: the power to have a say in the governing body over them. THAT is the power that must be exercised in order to ensure we retain our liberties.

The gun isn't just a tool...it's a symbol. One we cannot give up, because if we do, we've announced that we're rolling over and presenting our bellies to the enemy.

If things are working as they should, the gun is the tool the weaker use to protect themselves against the small-fry "evils" in this world. The criminals who seek to prey on the weak at the expense of the weak.

This is because we cannot eliminate those types, no matter how strong the government may be. Giving the government that much power removes our own liberties and rights in the process. And historically, we know it doesn't work anyway.

What kingdom ever had a criminal free country? What emperor can say that no crime ever existed in his empire? What dynasty was ever free from strife?

None. Not a one.


The gun gives the weak the power to protect themselves, so that the government can go about its business doing what the people want it to do...which is to protect the liberties and rights the weaker have charged them with doing.


Pierce Morgan, and others like him, are ironically most likely living in a fantasy world, one populated by people who truely believe that if all guns were eliminated, there would be no more crime, no more wars. Very likely people like him are nothing more than tools, allowing themselves to be manipulated by the powerful for their own objectives, truely believing that some utopian goal can be acheived.

All the while forgetting that it's human nature itself which we need protection from, which hasn't changed at all over the history of man.

All the while, conveniently forgetting that it was the sacrifice of countless millions of the weak to gain the rights and liberties we have now. Ironically, those same rights and liberties which allow people like Pierce Morgan to cry about guns.


Well, he can just bugger off as far as I'm concerned.

I'm sure as a UK citizen, he fully understands what that phrase means.

:D

[Prophet]

Its a psywar and info war at this stage. Since i already quit my facebook years ago, i have no way to relay my thoughts. Just that...

You are absolutely right. And yes you do! I can understand you not wanting a facebook, but I feel that the benefits of potentially reaching literally thousands of people to outweigh the potential security risks. Otherwise, sign up with an alias on CNN, ABC, MSNBC and post your views there.

It pains me to see so much good information and convincing arguments here on THR (such as the above by RetUSNChief) but not getting out there to the masses. It's kind of like evangelism and the church in Christianity; how can you expect your message to spread when its kept within the confines of the church? You're just evangelizing the already aware. You have to take the information out there.

We need more psywarriors.

[Sgt.Murtaugh]

OP - I hope your use of "more smarter" was an attempt at comedic irony, given the context in which it was used.

[razorback2003]

Piers is in America based on the good grace of the State Department and INS. He is from a country that makes it hard to own firearms legally. That is his opinion and he is free to express that opinion. What he does not realize is that his freedom as a guest to express his opinion is just as important as my freedom to carry a firearm. Maybe he does not like the fact that a bunch of armed 'colonials' ran out his country's military 200 years ago?

[Sgt.Murtaugh]

CNN knew exactly what they were doing by putting Alex Jones on there. They painted all pro-gun folks in a negative light. Piers Morgan just kept his cool while Alex Jones made a fool of himself and made "gun nuts," as we are sometimes called, to look like, well, nuts.

[JoeDorn]

Definitely im allergic listening to a British guy telling us about our gun right s needed to be curtailed. Im sure we all have a problem with that. The fact America was founded by patriots who fought against the British monarchy in 1774 and become independent, maybe Morgan is pushing the limits of the modern day American patriots. And of course he got the full political backings and approval of the antigunners to challenge the 2A and gun community as a whole.

I am going to be a nitpicker...

The first shot was April 19th, 1775. Join us at an Appleseed for further details. There may be one closer to you but I plan on being at one in March at Davilla, about 150 miles up the road from Houston.

[nathan]

Tonight' he will be bringing in more progun interviewees. I wonder who they are inviting.

[SuperNaut]

Someone needs to take a very thorough look at the status and continuity of Piers' work VISA.

[nathan]

Our focus now should be to stand on the merits of 2A and not get distracted by Morgan . It afforded the citizens to protect their lives from fellow citizens who intend to do harm, and against a govt of the people turning tyranical in the process. The patriots of the time made sure people of the nation of America will remain free and have the capability to fight for freedom whichever it takes..

[Odd Job]

For Christ's sake, the UK has more violent crime than South Africa, and Joburg is one of the most dangerous cities on the planet.

In the UK a "violent crime" can mean a lot of things, including affray which is "using or threatening violence towards another person."
Comparing the UK with South Africa for violent crime is laughable, they are worlds apart.

[Sheepdog1968]

I lived in the UK in the mid to late 90s for two years. I had many long discussions with colleagues about guns. The UK has a completely different mentality than we do regarding firearms. Folks there felt that if someone broke into your home and you were home and you shot them that it was completely reasonable for you to go to jail for doing this. This was a conversation with just one person, it was many folks over two years. He is anti gun becuase of the culture he was raised in to begin with. Yes, I am generalzing a bit but there is a completely different mindset by many over there.

[Odd Job]

I lived in the UK in the mid to late 90s for two years. I had many long discussions with colleagues about guns. The UK has a completely different mentality than we do regarding firearms. Folks there felt that if someone broke into your home and you were home and you shot them that it was completely reasonable for you to go to jail for doing this. This was a conversation with just one person, it was many folks over two years. He is anti gun becuase of the culture he was raised in to begin with. Yes, I am generalzing a bit but there is a completely different mindset by many over there.

On the one had it is true that these are two different cultures with regards to perceptions about firearms. It seems to me that the British today just don't have that desire to have firearms. I think it has to do with acceptance of the nanny state and a general lack of individual responsibility. The perceived need for firearms just isn't great enough, not even for sporting purposes. They could not even get Olympic spec rimfire pistols unbanned so that UK competitors could practise in England for the Olympics.

On the other hand things are changing with regards to persons being shot with legally held firearms in a home defense situation. Here's one of them:

http://tinyurl.com/8s3n7qm

I don't think Piers Morgan has many fans back in the UK but clearly he has found a profitable "gig" bashing gun owners on his show in the US. I don't know why people bother to go on that show or on any other show where the guest is likely to be shouted down (I think Lawrence O'Donnell is far worse than Piers Morgan).
It's never going to amount to anything good.
Calls to have him deported and "pro gun" guests going on his show ranting and raving does nothing good for gun owners and merely serves to fatten Morgan's wallet.

The very people who can't stand him are ensuring he retains the limelight. It is quite sad.

[Greenmachin3]

Odd Job,

You're right. Bad example to make a point. The definitions of violent crime are different. South Africa has gotten really bad.

However, if you look up assaults and robberies (not burglaries), the UK is the worst in the EU. The UK also has one of the fastest changing violent crime rate curves. Meaning its getting worse faster.

Overall crime is dropping, but violent crime is actually increasing sharply against the trend. So with that I stand by my conclusion that along with stagnant economics, massive immigration that doesn't assimilate, the removal of credible threat by law abiding citizens provided by firearms has made it a free for all for violent criminals. God forbid you have to defend your home with lethal or near lethal force.

Edit: I'm glad to see some legal precedent being established for defending your property and gift of life. Quite encouraging, isn't it?