Need some insight on a full tanged fixed blade for Concealed Carry.


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chrisnoel27
January 9, 2013, 01:28 AM
Hi folks, I need some help choosing a fixed blade knife, with a sheath. I'm partial to the almost triangle shaped blades, not sure what that blade shape is called. The blade shall be at least 4 inches, full tanged and under 60 bucks. I've been searching for the last hour and am overwhelmed, I couldn't find a knife that met those requirements. I have CCW and carry a gun but I want a stout, formidable fixed blade knife in case I'm disarmed or can't reach it.

Any Ideas?

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Mp7
January 9, 2013, 08:08 AM
Mora Companion.

Weighs almost nothing, costs almost nothing
does almost everything.

Had a kydex sheath made.

lemaymiami
January 9, 2013, 10:05 AM
Chris, during a career in law enforcement, along with everything else I carried ... I did some experimenting with carrying a small fixed blade as a backup using a Gerber Guardian (which is a very sturdy small double edged crotch stabber...). No matter how I tried it just wasn't comfortable or convenient. I fell back to a very sharp locking folder with a 4" blade -and was never without it. I still carry a folder with those dimensions today although I've been retired from police work since 1995....

Find, and purchase the blade you want. My guess is that something like I've just described will see a whole lot more use.

JShirley
January 9, 2013, 10:49 AM
Good luck finding a good fixed wharnecliffe for $60.

When it comes to EDCing a fixed blade, I think there are 2 realistic choices: go smaller, or carry a folder.

John

RatDrall
January 9, 2013, 11:14 AM
Agree that you won't find a decent fixed blade for less than $50.

I would recommend spending a few more dollars and get an ESEE-3. They're as small as you can go and still have a knife that "feels right". It's flat and light and carries very well.

If you can find more money, the Gryphon M10, TSD Grab N Stab, and many others make high quality short fixed blade knives, but you have to pay for the quality.

JShirley
January 9, 2013, 11:21 AM
Well, these ( http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=176208&d=1355592986) - at least the 2 on the left, are small but feel good, and provide some protection for your hand.

If you're using a knife as a retention device, it doesn't need to be huge, just quick and sharp and sturdy.

John

Madcap_Magician
January 9, 2013, 12:02 PM
I am a little confused by what you mean by triangle blade.

Do you mean a tanto point, or a wharncliff, or a double-edged?

VegasAR15
January 9, 2013, 12:23 PM
How about the Ka-Bar http://www.amazon.com/Ka-Bar-BK11-Becker-Necker-Knife/dp/B001N1CBB6/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1357748498&sr=1-1&keywords=kabar+becker+neckerBecker Necker?

I think I may end up buying an ESEE-3, looks nice.

SG1
January 9, 2013, 03:06 PM
I recently purchased a Cold Steel Point Guard. It sports a 4" wharnecliffe blade with a small pistol grip. It doesn't look like the handle would be very useful, but it really feels good in the hand. I bought mine for $38.

http://www.amazon.com/Cold-Steel-Point-Guard-Handle/dp/B0030D63R8

conw
January 9, 2013, 03:14 PM
The Ka-Bar TDI knife, either the large or regular one, fits your requirements perfectly, and offers several modes of deployment for you to play with. It would be a good idea to maybe get a custom sheath if you end up liking it.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31ObfvaSesL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21KnvKo-taL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

rcmodel
January 9, 2013, 04:37 PM
Make sure you know your local knife laws before you stuff a double-edge dagger in your pants.

They are against the law many places where a Tac folder isn't.

rc

JShirley
January 9, 2013, 04:55 PM
RC, I don't think anyone's talking about double-edged blades.

I will say that LEO in general are likelier to view large fixed blades with more suspicion than folders.

rcmodel
January 9, 2013, 05:01 PM
Well, I'm kinda unclear on what a "almost triangle shaped blade" is?

rc

hso
January 9, 2013, 07:48 PM
I'm assuming he's talking about either a "tanto" or a dagger. Neither are what we recommend.

Get a small enough fixed blade you can carry all the time and you might actually carry it. Get something with more than a 3" blade and you're more likely to leave it in a drawer and forget about it.

chrisnoel27
January 9, 2013, 08:05 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Columbia-River-Knife-Minimalist-2387/dp/B0030IT76C/ref=pd_sim_sg_14


A blade like the one above but bigger.

Deltaboy
January 9, 2013, 08:36 PM
Mora' s work great.

chrisnoel27
January 9, 2013, 11:16 PM
Thanks guys for all the info and insight, I appreciate it. I'll post some pics when I choose a couple of knives.

Dirty Bob
January 9, 2013, 11:42 PM
Anyone thinking Mora for carry should at least consider the Mora Robust. It features a thicker blade (about 1/8") and is carbon steel. They're under $20 at ragweedforge.com

For discrete carry, I would make a new, slimmer handle for it, along with a Kydex sheath.

All my best,
Dirty Bob

hso
January 9, 2013, 11:50 PM
That's a clip point with a sweeping belly.

Plenty of those around.

Deltaboy
January 10, 2013, 12:20 AM
The Kim Breed Knife would work too.

dayhiker
January 10, 2013, 07:51 AM
If it's just going to be used as a "get off me knife" it doesn't really need to be made from a premium steel. Or cost all that much. I still really like my CRKT Folts S.P.E.W in this role.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h340/dayhiker1968/Photo-0004.jpg

Been carrying it every day since I got it. Very slim, light, small, yet still has a 3" blade and a well designed handle.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h340/dayhiker1968/Photo-0007640x512.jpg


Get a small enough fixed blade you can carry all the time and you might actually carry it. Get something with more than a 3" blade and you're more likely to leave it in a drawer and forget about it.

Really have too agree with this. I do very often carry a larger fixed blade, as a working tool. Not for defense, and not in deep concealment.

With a little under 4" blade and a hand filling handle my beloved F1 is about the same size as the EESE 3 mentioned somewhere in this thread.

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h340/dayhiker1968/Photo-0014640x512.jpg

The little CRKT Folts carries like it isn't even there. With the F1, you always know its there.

Ehtereon11B
January 10, 2013, 09:28 AM
Tanto tipped blades have a stronger forward "push" motion which makes them better than clip or rounded point knives for self defense. Kabar TDI knives were designed with weapon retention in mind for LEO and military personnel. It is harder to conceal since it is ideally supposed to be worn ahead of the hip bone. With the handle facing either direction to allow using either hand.

I would recommend Kabar D2 Impact if you can find it.

JShirley
January 10, 2013, 06:09 PM
By "tanto", do you mean the so-called "American Tanto"? Or a real tanto?

John

Fred Fuller
January 10, 2013, 08:12 PM
Not quite 4", but...

It's a production line version of the Mosier Trigonaut. Lots of material on the net about it if you search...
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http://www.knivesplus.com/media/BK-BO280.jpg

-- http://www.knivesplus.com/bokerknifebk-bo280.html

Boker Knives: Boker Mosier Knife, BK-BO280

The illustrated Boker Knife is the Boker Mosier Knife, designed by Missouri custom knifemaker David Mosier, that features a 3 1/4" modified Wharncliffe fixed blade made of Sandvik 12C27 stainless steel. The blade of this Boker Knife has a notched thumb rest and a pronounced choil for secure grip. The Mosier Knife has full tang construction; contoured two tone black and gray Micarta scales and a lined lanyard hole. A Kydex sheath is included with this Boker Knife. The Boker Mosier Knife has an overall length of 7 1/4", and it weighs 5.5 ounces. Made in China.

jmr40
January 10, 2013, 08:24 PM
Mora Companion.

Weighs almost nothing, costs almost nothing
does almost everything.



Don't discount these little knives. They are not full tanged and not for using as a prybar, but are the sharpest $15 knife I've ever used. Cheap enough to buy several and if it gets lost it is no big deal. They offer several different styles.

http://www.smkw.com/webapp/eCommerce/prodlist.jsp

I cannot get it to load directly to the Mora knives, but type in "mora" in the search area click on search.

Dirty Bob
January 10, 2013, 10:01 PM
My favorite source for Moras is Ragweed Forge (http://www.ragweedforge.com). Best selection I know of. Ragnar is great to deal with, and his prices are fair.

The Mora Robust (http://www.ragweedforge.com/10315.jpg) is probably the toughest of the bargain-priced bunch, right up there in strength with the more expensive Bushcraft (http://www.ragweedforge.com/12043-l.jpg).

I took two (Mora) Eriksson #546-G (http://www.ragweedforge.com/546-g.jpg) knives for Christmas vacation in Florida. I cut the belt loops off the sheaths to make them suitable for pocket carry. One wound up in the kitchen, as the sharpest knife in the house, while the other was my EDC pocket knife. Great little knives.

Regards,
Dirty Bob

conw
January 10, 2013, 10:23 PM
Fred, are you EDCing a fixed blade now?

Fred Fuller
January 11, 2013, 01:27 PM
No - still in NC most of the time, where that is frowned on. Close as I can get is a Kershaw Needs Work.

But I'm still looking... :D

Did you hear that Ban Tang has been authorized to make Southnarc's designs now?

jeepnik
January 13, 2013, 02:24 PM
Interestingly, in another thread about a lost knife found, I suggested a small fixed blade as an alternative. Lately, I've been carrying this quite a lot. And, the green handle seems to worry the sheep less that the usual black ones one sees. Go figure
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f271/Jeepnik/IMG_0005.jpg

Deltaboy
January 13, 2013, 07:01 PM
Mora Companion.

Weighs almost nothing, costs almost nothing
does almost everything.

Had a kydex sheath made.
This will do the job.

conw
January 13, 2013, 09:27 PM
Fred - yes, and I can't think of a better person to do that work. I haven't seen any new custom BT Shivworks knives yet, but I bet they'll be nice since materials are totally up to the purchaser.

JimStC
January 14, 2013, 08:01 AM
I carry a 4.25" length blade fixed blade. OAL is 8.25". I have no problem carrying this size fixed blade. Also carry another which is an inch shorter. I alternate between the two because I can't determine which one I like the best.
My carry method is left pocket, thin kydex sheath, point up. Right pocket has my folder which gets used far more often. Nonetheless, once you become accustomed to an 8.5" knife in your pocket it really is an effective EDC tool if your thinking is self defense back up.

Jim

NG VI
January 24, 2013, 12:04 AM
I just got a copy of the knife in post 24, it is excellent. The sheath did feel too tight at first, but I drew and replaced it a few dozen times maybe and things started to get right. Also it was more sensitive to the exact draw angle early on, though that isn't as severe anymore.

NG VI
January 24, 2013, 12:06 AM
JimSTC do you grab the sheath with your left hand and pull the knife out of your pocket, then grip the handle and remove the knife?

rcmodel
January 24, 2013, 12:20 AM
Who among us would have two hands available to grip the sheath in one hand & the knife in another at the beginning of a knife fight I might ask??

If you can't get too it with one hand, it isn't a suitable SD knife atall!

rc

JimStC
January 24, 2013, 07:24 AM
NG and RC,
The left pocket knife is for back up. The draw is with the left hand which presents the handle to the right hand. Again, the kydex sheath is point up. If I am unable to draw the knife from the sheath, I have a striking tool in my left hand. This is for a situation in which my right hand is unable to immediately draw my folder which I can open quickly with one hand. Works for me.
As I have mentioned in other threads I am approaching my sixth month in Escrima training. This does give me an advantage against an untrained attacker insofar of getting free from a grappling situation if a fight commences with hand to hand fighting and I feel the need to escalate to deadly force.

Jim

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