Cuomo's State of the State - gun control proposal


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GiorgioG
January 9, 2013, 03:18 PM
Here's what he proposed in his State of the State address a few minutes ago:


Enact toughest assault weapon ban in nation
Close private sale loophole
Ban high capacity magazines
Enact tougher gun crime penalties
Keep guns from mentally ill
Ban direct internet sales of ammo
Create state NICS check on all ammo purchase.


This is a preview of what's coming at the Federal level...

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GiorgioG
January 9, 2013, 03:32 PM
Wow...so he just called people who need 10 bullets (or more) in a rifle 'extremists'

Skribs
January 9, 2013, 03:35 PM
Well, technically it was extremists that fought in 1776 and then went on to write the Bill of Rights...

medalguy
January 9, 2013, 04:24 PM
I like #5. Keep guns from mentally ill

Just how does he propose to accomplish this noteworthy goal???

Apachedriver
January 9, 2013, 04:40 PM
Hell, that's easy. He'll say "all Democrats and Libs move to this side of the line. Ok, good. Now everyone that's left on that side of the line, we have these nice, warm, white jackets with extra long sleeves to keep your hands warm."

BigN
January 9, 2013, 04:41 PM
#5 just means he's going to confiscate guns from all politicians:evil:

Ryanxia
January 9, 2013, 04:48 PM
NICS checks on ammo would be ridiculous.

jmfc606
January 9, 2013, 05:00 PM
His exact quote "Nobody needs 10 rounds to kill a deer". Too bad the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting. "No internet sales of AMMO" So when I find a box of .256 win Mag, or 25 Remington or one of my other oddball calibers I need Online I guess I'm out of luck. Senate Majority leader (R) Dean Skelos didn't make me feel good either with his message after the speech.

baz
January 9, 2013, 05:34 PM
Well, if I needed another reason not to move to NY, Cuomo has given me several. But aren't hicap mags already illegal in NY. Here's (http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20130107/NEWS07/701079944) a story about a vet just getting arrested for having 5 AR-15 mags.

GiorgioG
January 9, 2013, 05:51 PM
Pre-ban mags are not illegal. Even though I plan on being out of NY in the next 3-6 months, this whole thing makes my blood boil.

Razor_J
January 9, 2013, 06:02 PM
As I understand it, the gentleman was suggesting that search and confiscation would be on the table to help solve this "problem". My comment on the subject. Good luck to you sir. You'll need it. I think he shot himself in the foot with that one. I called a few folks that I know who were either on the fence, or in support of a ban of future sale and asked them what they thought about that. It changed their minds, they are no longer with the dark side of the force...

Queen_of_Thunder
January 9, 2013, 06:32 PM
I like #5. Keep guns from mentally ill

Just how does he propose to accomplish this noteworthy goal???
That's code to keep guns from politicians.

Old Fuff
January 9, 2013, 06:57 PM
Now if Freedom Group decides to leave Ilion and take the jobs and tax revenue with them we’ll see what the tune is. As it is the former Remington plant is a white elephant, and other more friendly states would be more then willing to help build them a new one. :evil:

jmfc606
January 9, 2013, 07:03 PM
Pre 1994 Magazines are Legal in NYS right now. I think Cuomo wants to ban all the Mags that are Grandfathered in. As it stands now any magazine in NY over 10 Rds that can be PROVEN to be made after 1994 is illegal.

blkbrd666
January 9, 2013, 07:06 PM
Now if Freedom Group decides to leave Ilion and take the jobs and tax revenue with them we’ll see what the tune is. As it is the former Remington plant is a white elephant, and other more friendly states would be more then willing to help build them a new one.

Ain't that the truth! I would donate money, work on the construction crew, then be their IT department if they moved to my town.

Grmlin
January 9, 2013, 07:14 PM
On the little I was able to watch of the speech, it was reminiscent of news clips from the 1930-40's from a guy in Germany named Adolf.

scramasax
January 9, 2013, 07:36 PM
I've been a preaching for all firearms related companies to move out of firearm restrictive states for years. We need more american companies down south. Not just auto manufactureres from overseas.

wcwhitey
January 9, 2013, 07:42 PM
Now if Freedom Group decides to leave Ilion and take the jobs and tax revenue with them we’ll see what the tune is. As it is the former Remington plant is a white elephant, and other more friendly states would be more then willing to help build them a new one.

Old Fuff, in his speach he pandered to Remington. To paraphrase he said "I am a gun owner and hunter, I have a Remington Shotgun". These guys just cannot help themselves. Half of the speach was ecomonic development. Upstate New York is very economically challenged. Jobless rates are much worse than the rest of the country. Forked tongue!

Upstater
January 9, 2013, 07:50 PM
The biggest problem with this govenor and the majority of N.Y. State lawmakers is they do not really believe or understand that there is more to N.Y. Than NYC is this is where the real pandering goes on. Unfortunately the upstaters have to pay the price!

parsimonious_instead
January 9, 2013, 07:56 PM
The biggest problem with this govenor and the majority of N.Y. State lawmakers is they do not really believe or understand that there is more to N.Y. Than NYC is this is where the real pandering goes on. Unfortunately the upstaters have to pay the price!

Amen to that... I had the pleasure of shooting at the Blue Mountain/Indian Lake Range up in the Adirondacks back in Summer, 2011 and it was a great place. What a lovely, pro-gun community there!

Ric
January 9, 2013, 08:00 PM
Says it all
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a258/D-Ric902/image_zpsc4e6fb6a.jpg

3twelves
January 9, 2013, 08:07 PM
I can't put into words how much I hate that police state.

goldie
January 9, 2013, 08:09 PM
Why doesnt he replace the statue of liberty with a statue of Stalin, & he can also put up a big wrought iron gate at the entrance to ellis island that says "Arbeit Macht Frei" :barf:

Upstater
January 9, 2013, 08:14 PM
He'd first have to either get permission or be told by Bloomberg to do it, nanny B is the true ruler of N.Y. And it's thug political system.

Old Fuff
January 9, 2013, 11:44 PM
To paraphrase he said "I am a gun owner and hunter, I have a Remington Shotgun". These guys just cannot help themselves. Half of the speach was ecomonic development. Upstate New York is very economically challenged. Jobless rates are much worse than the rest of the country. Forked tongue!

Indeed! He is so brain-dead that he doesn't see that he cannot kick Freedom Group in the butt, and expect they'll stay and keep taking it.

One time in Maryland the legislature passed a bill that would require an internal lock in all new handguns. Beretta had a factory there with a lot of employees and none of their pistols had an internal lock. Somehow :evil: the word got out that the company was looking into a new location. The internal lock business quickly got lost.

In a week or so all of the principals from the U.S. firearms industry will gather under one roof in Las Vegas, NV. I doubt they will play paddycake.

goldie
January 10, 2013, 07:24 AM
it was ok for his father to somehow get permits to build a huge house in long beach, where the zoning was set up so it was almost impossible to build what he built. shows you these bastards can do whatever they want. they are the crimminals!

hnk45acp
January 10, 2013, 09:30 AM
God! I hate living in NYC now, who am I gonna write to to complain about this? My mayor? Bloomberg My senator? Schumer. My Governor? Cuomo Arrrgh:cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss:

mcdonl
January 10, 2013, 09:40 AM
I was still in camo with my AR in my hands after returning from a night hunt when that lunatic was yelling "NO ONE HUNTS WITH AN AR"... what an idiot. New York can have him.

GiorgioG
January 10, 2013, 09:43 AM
Skelos - the NY Senate Republican majority leader has already said he supports banning all high-cap mags (currently only pre-ban mags are 'allowed'.)

I fear this 'fight' if it was ever one, is lost. And the same goes nationally.

Boehner is in the same situation, and he'll do the same thing.

pockets
January 10, 2013, 09:55 AM
To paraphrase he said "I am a gun owner and hunter, I have a Remington Shotgun".
I was still in camo with my AR in my hands after returning from a night hunt when that lunatic was yelling "NO ONE HUNTS WITH AN AR"

The Governor apparently doesn't know that Remington produces 'HUNTING AR' rifles. They are the first two models listed on the Remington centerfire rifle webpage.
A lot of companies produce hunting AR models. It's an action platform, nothing more sinister. Many hunting guns began as military platforms, a natural progression.
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2ifbyC
January 10, 2013, 10:07 AM
I fear this 'fight' if it was ever one, is lost. And the same goes nationally.

Boehner is in the same situation, and he'll do the same thing.

Something is rotten in the State of NY but it's hardly a litmus test for the rest of the country.

Trent
January 10, 2013, 10:08 AM
All this recent talk, it's like throwing a dart at the map of the US to pick "where is it going to start?" (The bloodshed.)

22-rimfire
January 10, 2013, 10:19 AM
First, all of those proposals will not likely have a significant effect on crime and as a result has little to do with crime control. But... the polticians (especially ones that lean on the liberal side of the fence) have always wanted strigent gun controls. Saying these potential regulations does not effect the ability to acquire guns for hunting has absolutely nothing to do with it. They need to tell it like it is.... People Control.

Gun ownership in the USA has moved from primarily "hunting" to sport shooting and defensive purposes as the dominant reason to buy or own a firearm.

The Freedom Group has already moved in part to NC.

Bubba613
January 10, 2013, 02:45 PM
If he wants strict gun laws he could always copy them from CT. That would have prevented a lot of shootings. Oh, wait.

If he moves to ban certain items he will have to offer compensation to owners for the loss. How likely is that to happen?

GiorgioG
January 10, 2013, 02:49 PM
If he wants strict gun laws he could always copy them from CT. That would have prevented a lot of shootings. Oh, wait.


We already have strict gun laws (our AWB is a mirror/continuation of the '94 federal AWB.) He only wants to make them more restrictive.

Bubba613
January 10, 2013, 03:01 PM
Of course that wouldn't help. At all. Especially if he grandfathers in older guns. If he doesn't he has to pay compensation to the owners.

thunder173
January 10, 2013, 03:10 PM
Just think.....he and others are already making noises of his possible bid for the presidency in 2016.

Won't THAT just be precious.........

gunsandreligion
January 10, 2013, 03:17 PM
And of course crime rates will go up, and itll be blamed on the free states. I dont understand how ignorant people can be. We had a assult weapons ban for 10 years, it didnt change a thing. There are roughly 390 people killed every year with by long guns. We could use the money a assault weapons ban would cost and save more lives by spending it on medical costs for gunshot wounds. Yet whenever these arguments are brought up they are either shrugged off or the question "but why do you need military weapons?" Is brought up. Which is as good as saying, "its not safteywe are worried about, its just we dont like those guns."

ThorinNNY
January 10, 2013, 03:23 PM
I watched Cuomo`s seemingly unending state of the state speech.I really didn`t want to but a citizen- no scratch citizen- I`m now a SUBJECT of the mad emporer Andrew the Imperious, soon of Mario the Pius-I forced myself to endure that windbag`s ravings and rantings. And he gave a stiff arm salute 3 times if I`m not mistaken. His facial expression reminded me of a a potrait of one of the mad Roman emporers-Caligula perhaps or Nero or was it Mussolini or Hitler?
All I can say people in NY State are in for a very bad time and my assemblyman -a former president of the NYS Rifle &Pistol Association bluntly said a lot of the Repiblicans can no longer be relied on to oppose this gun grab.
There`s also legislation to require all owners to register the guns- which will pave the way for confiscation.

goldie
January 10, 2013, 07:11 PM
Next he will change the state flag to this; http://www.justsymbol.com/images/hammer-and-sickle-14.png

Kim
January 10, 2013, 07:48 PM
I watched and it was Mussolini that popped into my mind. He looked deranged up there hollering and gesturing. But , to be honest he scared me. I hate politicians that shout. Even worse was all the clapping when he worked the audience into a frenzy. Dangerous.

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