I like gun buybacks


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Sgt.Murtaugh
January 9, 2013, 04:54 PM
Now hear me out...

The people who are taking their guns to these things are the people who obviously don't care about guns or are really hurting for money and decide to take their guns to see what they can get for them. Perhaps it's an old lady whose husband died and left her all his guns but she has no idea what to do with them. Perhaps it's a crack head criminal who can't afford ammo or needs a quick fix (no harm in him losing his gun). At the risk of sounding judgmental, I have seen some really questionable characters at these things selling their guns, obviously taking advantage of the "no questions asked" opportunity to get rid of their guns.

Also, on occasion, people like us (those who value and enjoy guns) can find really good deals at gun buybacks by intercepting sellers before they can get ripped off. The seller gets a better, more fair price and the buyer gets a good deal on a gun he wants. I got a pristine S&W 686 and a really nice M1 Garand at the buy back in Austin a few years back and I got great deals on them. The sellers were happy, I was happy, and no guns got destroyed. I see these as good opportunities for honest gun owners like myself.

flame away.

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silicosys4
January 9, 2013, 05:00 PM
I have no problem myself with the gun buybacks....I see it as one of the few effective ways of getting guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them.
I would warn STRONGLY against "intercepting" someone you don't know who is heading to a gun buyback to sell a gun.
You think maybe the odds that you are buying a stolen gun is a little higher, perhaps? They get amnesty for having a stolen gun if they are on their way to sell it to a "buyback" program. You don't get amnesty for buying a stolen gun that was on its way to being turned in. That would actually look reeeeeally bad, in fact.
Be safe, and protect yourself

Another thought....do they run the serial numbers for all those guns turned in to buyback programs? Or do they just destroy them? I wonder if any stolen guns have been reunited with their owners through buyback programs...or if they just get chopped and melted.

brnmw
January 9, 2013, 05:01 PM
There may be good points to any argument or debate over this.... however, this is another way the anti's are going to try and get people to believe they are doing the right thing by making people believe that guns are evil and they need to be turned in to the proper authorities with no questions asked. I would not have a problem with it per say if they were done at random by certain cities throughout the country for no other reason than to just get people to simply turn in guns they don't want or need (Although I could never imagine being in that state of mind). This is what the liberals want... people to feel guilty and turn their guns in willingly. IMO.

I do like the idea of crackheads turning in their guns though.....

Sgt.Murtaugh
January 9, 2013, 05:04 PM
I have no problem myself with the gun buybacks....I see it as one of the few effective ways of getting guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them.
I would warn STRONGLY against "intercepting" someone you don't know who is heading to a gun buyback to sell a gun.
You think maybe the odds that you are buying a stolen gun is a little higher, perhaps? They get amnesty for having a stolen gun if they are on their way to sell it to a "buyback" program. You don't get amnesty for buying a stolen gun that was on its way to being turned in. That would actually look reeeeeally bad, in fact.
Be safe, and protect yourself

Another thought....do they run the serial numbers for all those guns turned in to buyback programs? Or do they just destroy them? I wonder if any stolen guns have been reunited with their owners through buyback programs...or if they just get chopped and melted.
very valid points, silicosys. I used my internal radar to determine the validity of the guns ownership. I asked them and they seemed legitimate. I know that's not an exact science but I did my diligence in the transaction. I am an honest person and dont use these guns for anything other than good clean range fun.

anywho, you are right. you should be careful about that. The buybacks usually have some cops on hand who will run you off if they see you intercepting guns that were intended for disposal.

The other side of this coin, though, is that criminals could get a gun cheap from using the same methods I did.

Sgt.Murtaugh
January 9, 2013, 05:06 PM
There may be good points to any argument or debate over this.... however, this is another way the anti's are going to try and get people to believe they are doing the right thing by making people believe that guns are evil and they need to be turned in to the proper authorities with no questions asked. I would not have a problem with it per say if they were done at random by certain cities throughout the country for no other reason than to just get people to simply turn in guns they don't want or need (Although I could never imagine being in that state of mind). This is what the liberals want... people to feel guilty and turn their guns in willingly. IMO.

I do like the idea of crackheads turning in their guns though.....
I think most gun owners have guns for good reason and wouldn't willingly turn them in just for the sake of turning them in. These buybacks really appeal to the folks who own guns but don't care about them at all.

i.e. someone who inherited their dad's guns or found one in an attic of a house they bought, etc...

45lcshooter
January 9, 2013, 05:10 PM
Here in the sticks we don't have buybacks. I would love if we did. I would be there with pockets full of cash looking for hidden jems.

Nasty
January 9, 2013, 05:20 PM
Are they running NICs on the people running the buy back? I have to assume that since they are being privately funded that the non transfers are really piling up.

Maybe we need to start action on "Gun Buy Back Loopholes".

3twelves
January 9, 2013, 05:26 PM
Buy back? Did the state own them before you?



Last thing I would want is a stolen pistol with 3 body's on it.

silicosys4
January 9, 2013, 05:26 PM
I think most gun owners have guns for good reason and wouldn't willingly turn them in just for the sake of turning them in. These buybacks really appeal to the folks who own guns but don't care about them at all.

i.e. someone who inherited their dad's guns or found one in an attic of a house they bought, etc...


You are right about that, I think. The only people coming to those buybacks are people who shouldn't have them in the first place....or someone who wants to get rid of a tomato stake or two. I know there are some antiques and collectibles being turned in once in a while, but I'm sure its rare.

That said, say you were there and you say a little old lady trying to sell her late hubby's pristine k38 or something of that nature....You mentioned "cops running people off" who would try and save that gun from the smelter, and I have to question if that is even legal. If you were to be involved in a private sale with someone who was bringing in a firearm in, how is that against any laws whatsoever, as long as the gun wasn't stolen?

Buck Kramer
January 9, 2013, 05:27 PM
I would love one in IA, just so I can take my rusted out muzzleloader I have sitting in my garage in, and then turn around and offer my money to someone else for something better...

silicosys4
January 9, 2013, 05:31 PM
hmm, there is one near me in a week or two...they are offering $200 for "assault rifles". I know a buddy that has a crappy tec22 that i could get for a hundred bucks or so.....would that be a tragedy?

Sgt.Murtaugh
January 9, 2013, 05:45 PM
i have no problem with using the gun buybacks for profit...haha i bet you could negotiate by threatening to just keep the gun instead of letting them destroy it.

Zardaia
January 9, 2013, 05:55 PM
No questions asked=tax payer money going for stolen goods.

silicosys4
January 9, 2013, 06:07 PM
Yea....we pay for police through taxpayers dollars to go kick down doors of gangbangers to accomplish the same thing, and spend a lot more taxpayer money to do so...some things are worth spending taxpayer dollars on. Have you seriously watched the kind of people and guns that go through those programs? You aren't talking about your average High Road member here, and you aren't talking about pristine old K38's. 90% of the people that go through there shouldn't have the guns that they turn in, for incompetency, criminality, whatever.... and for the rest....its a voluntary thing. Its not forced. It's not recorded. There are aloooot of little old ladies that go there with their deceased hubby's old shotgun and get grocery money for the week. Why didn't you go and offer to buy that gun that was useless to her, and help her out?

Besides, not all buyback programs are funded on a federal level.

USAF_Vet
January 9, 2013, 07:00 PM
I think most gun owners have guns for good reason and wouldn't willingly turn them in just for the sake of turning them in. These buybacks really appeal to the folks who own guns but don't care about them at all.

i.e. someone who inherited their dad's guns or found one in an attic of a house they bought, etc...
And that is the inherent problem with so call buy backs. These are not the guns being used in crimes. These are guns that sit quietly in a sock drawer deteriorating. These guns are not the problem guns, and these gun owners are not the problem, either.

Buy backs are a pointless feel good gesture that has little to no effect on crime at all. In fact, the way I see it, the only thing it helps is criminals get away with murder. Turn in a key piece of evidence that could lead to your conviction, and get a $50 gift card.

Junked out .22s and grandpa's broken revolver are not the guns that are feared on the streets. Destroying them serves no purpose.

Nasty
January 9, 2013, 09:52 PM
121212 - You're right of course....but if any of mine *did* belong to them, I'm not about to admit it anyway. lol

Caliper_RWVA
January 9, 2013, 10:33 PM
OP: I see your point. It also reduces the number of people saying "Well, I own a gun and I'm in favor of civillian disarmarment.".

hemiram
January 10, 2013, 05:01 AM
I kind of wish they would have had a "$100 buyback for a handgun" deal a couple of years ago. I had about $2000 worth of junk guns to give them. I gave them to some friends who took a few parts off them, and probably scrapped the rest, they were beyond pitiful. Mostly old odd brand revolvers with no finish and cracked frames. I don't have any I would even come close to breaking even on now.

VegasAR15
January 10, 2013, 09:33 AM
I don't like gun buy backs. I am a C&R collector, I love the old military stuff. It kills me to think of how many of grandpa's old WWI and WWII bring backs have been melted down. How many lugers, K98s, Garands, old 1911s, etc. have been scrapped? How many rifles like this one have been scrapped? http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/valuable-wwii-gun-police-buy-back-022155231--abc-news-topstories.html Luckily the officers running it knew something about guns.

mcdonl
January 10, 2013, 09:39 AM
Gun Buyback = Under Compensated theft

FIVETWOSEVEN
January 10, 2013, 09:48 AM
I like what the South Portland Police in Maine did after Sandy Hook. They started promoting gun safety and reminded everyone of their on going program of taking guns off the hands of those who don't want them.

USAF_Vet
January 10, 2013, 01:09 PM
Gun Buyback = Under Compensated theft
How is it theft if they are voluntary?

I get it, pro-gun people typically don't approve of "buy-backs". I wouldn't participate either unless it was to exploit it with complete junk and toys.

But guess what? The people carting their personal property down to the buy back events are not like us. They don't care about guns, be they complete junk or pristine war bring backs. It sucks that some nice guns get destroyed. While I typically don't approve of buy backs in principle, if voluntarily selling personal property makes them happy, who are we to say otherwise? Flip the scenario a little, change the event to a gun show, and you have the full support of the large majority of gun owners.

These events are typically community organized. Instead of crying about a small handful of nice guns and a truck load of pot metal broken junk, put your money where your mouth is and buy them all up yourself. I doubt most any one of us would buy drop $10,000 of their own money to buy a bunch of old broken grocery store shotguns, broken Saturday night specials, and illegal weapons just for the possibility to save the few good ones.

bigfinger76
January 11, 2013, 05:12 PM
USAF_Vet, I believe the poster was referring to the possibility of these buy-backs being used as a type of fence - likely a few stolen firearms pass through them.

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