1897 problem


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bullet90
January 9, 2013, 07:44 PM
i recently bought a winchester 1897 and am looking into turning it into a trench shotgun. but i've noticed that the firing pin slides or can be pushed in on it's own when hammer is back. i don't know if this is normal or if i need to get a firing pin spring to help keep it back and in the ready possition. any help is greatly appreciated.

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Fred Fuller
January 10, 2013, 10:18 AM
http://www.rucascowboys.com/win97expodedview.htm

It's normal - it wasn't designed with a firing pin spring.

FWIW I'd suggest not starting out with a Win97 as a DIY 'smithing project...

303tom
January 10, 2013, 10:49 AM
Please heed what Fred said, don`t start with a Model 1897 Win. as a DIY Smithing project, unless it is a repop...............

bullet90
January 10, 2013, 03:46 PM
I plan to have a Smith do much of the work especially the barrel and stock but I like to know how to clean and maintain my guns on my own to help save money, time and cause all my friends come to me anyway. And not to be rude but your sure the pin should be able to slide in on its own?

rcmodel
January 10, 2013, 03:52 PM
Do you see any firing pin retractor spring in the parts list?
http://marauder.homestead.com/files/97parts.htm

If John Browning had included one in the design, black powder & corrosive priming of the time would have shortly rendered them red rust dust anyway.

97's should not be detail stripped for cleaning every time you think about it either.

Many of them have never been detail stripped in the last 100 years, and still work perfectly.

rc

bullet90
January 10, 2013, 03:59 PM
I get theirs no spring. And unfortunately the man that sold me mine took horrible care of it. Mud and gunk through out the gun. It was so bad I couldn't even push any shells in cause of the mag well was full of gunk and grease.

I just don't see why the pin can move on its own and find it to be a safety issue.

rcmodel
January 10, 2013, 04:04 PM
But, it's not.

It can't set off a primer unless the bolt is locked shut and the hammer hits it.

rc

bullet90
January 10, 2013, 04:35 PM
If I shut the breach that's when it sides. Ether when I point it down or push it in with my own finger.

bullet90
January 10, 2013, 04:57 PM
Here's what I mean. And I barely touch it with my finger to push it in.

rcmodel
January 10, 2013, 05:11 PM
One more time!

Thats how they work!!

rc

rbernie
January 10, 2013, 05:20 PM
Welcome to the forum. :)

I just don't see why the pin can move on its own and find it to be a safety issue.It doesn't matter how you feel about it - that's how it was designed and built, and that's how it works. Your disapproving of the design is like you not approving of gravity or something - it may annoy you when you drink too much, but it's not like you have any say in the matter. :D

Who are you considering to use for the gunsmithing work? There are some good 1897 gunsmiths that see a lot of them for CAS work and similar, and some 'smiths that have never taken one apart in anger....

303tom
January 10, 2013, 05:47 PM
Looks right to me.................By the way, good luck finding a barrel, shroud & bayonet lug................

bullet90
January 10, 2013, 05:55 PM
Alright thanks for the help guys. :)

Uniquedot
January 11, 2013, 01:28 AM
Like everyone said it's not a problem or safety issue at all. Just look at all the old time greats like the Winchester 94 that works the same and it's never been a problem with any of them.

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