M&P 22, Ruger sr 22 or Walther p22?


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slash415
January 9, 2013, 10:54 PM
I am looking for a semi .22 handgun under 500$. After some research, I found these are my three favorites. I would like some help with deciding on which one to get. Thanks for any help.

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thefish
January 9, 2013, 11:14 PM
I can't speak to the others, but I have a SR22, and it's great. Shoots pretty much anything, but I prefer federal.
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Takedown is simple.

cfullgraf
January 9, 2013, 11:47 PM
I have the M&P22. Great for inexpensive practice for the centerfire M&Ps.

I cannot speak for the others though.

weblance
January 10, 2013, 12:53 AM
I have the SR22P, and its a good gun. The M&P 22 is a lot bigger. I also have a Bersa Thunder 22 and its excellent as well. Consider adding the Bersa to your list. I would pass on the Walther.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/weblance/CCWPics038fixedMedium.jpg

helitack32f1
January 10, 2013, 01:15 AM
I have the SR-22p and used to have a Walther P22. There is no comparison in the quality between the two, the Ruger is just in another league. The P22 I owned was an early one and was just a heap of garbage. They have made changes since then but the material quality and design are still major steps behind the Ruger IMO. The Ruger fires everything I have put through it where the Walther actually came with a list of ammo not to use in the gun and to this day I hear it is very picky about the ammo used.
I have no experience with the M&P 22 but have read good things about it and would choose it over the Walther. But I might actually choose a good hammer over the Walther too.

mnrivrat
January 10, 2013, 06:45 AM
In that batch I would go for the Ruger and pass completely on the Walther.

David E
January 10, 2013, 11:17 AM
My P-22 works great, but I may have one of the few that do.

M&P holds 12+1, so that's a plus. I have centerfire M&P's, so I'll buy one eventually.

bannockburn
January 10, 2013, 12:41 PM
Between the three, I would go with the Ruger SR22 first, the S&W M&P second, and the Walther in an extremely distant third and last place.

Recon Ron
January 10, 2013, 12:43 PM
Ruger eats anything, Walther is picky and the M&P is not the same as normal M&Ps.


For those reasons go Ruger SR22.

Shot all three, personally own SR22. Buddy has P22. And Sold M&P.

mgmorden
January 10, 2013, 01:06 PM
Never shot any of those, but given my experiences with other Ruger .22 pistols I'd probably go for the Ruger SR22. I've heard mostly bad things about the Walther (though I will say that I have a cousin that has one and hasn't really complained too much).

rcmodel
January 10, 2013, 02:17 PM
I have a Walther P22.

The Ruger SR22 is what the Walther P22 should & could have been.
But it isn't.

rc

bearman49709
January 10, 2013, 04:02 PM
I own the S&W and a buddy owns the Ruger. I have shot his Ruger and don't like it at all. If you can rent them you can try them out before you buy.

vossman
January 10, 2013, 04:34 PM
M&P all the way. It's a great pistol.

Steve H
January 10, 2013, 04:37 PM
I have two Ruger SR22's they are good little fun guns.

carbonyl
January 10, 2013, 05:12 PM
I haven't shot the S&W or the Walther but I've had the SR22 for three months now and have put A LOT of ammo through it. I like everything about this gun, the look, feel, weight, and accuracy. This gun is a pleasure to see hold and shoot. :D:D:D

meanmrmustard
January 10, 2013, 06:13 PM
I have a Walther P22.

The Ruger SR22 is what the Walther P22 should & could have been.
But it isn't.

rc
+1. They're in different leagues. I liked the P22.

I love the Ruger.

TennJed
January 10, 2013, 07:54 PM
I have the SR22P, and its a good gun. The M&P 22 is a lot bigger. I also have a Bersa Thunder 22 and its excellent as well. Consider adding the Bersa to your list. I would pass on the Walther.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/weblance/CCWPics038fixedMedium.jpg
weblance, is yout Bersa ammo picky?

USAF_Vet
January 10, 2013, 10:04 PM
Another gun to consider in your price range is the Sig Sauer Mosquito.

I got to shoot one a few months back. They are a bit finicky on ammo (they like CCI mini mags) but the only other complaint I had was that they are not very left handed shooter friendly. Ergo's were good, accuracy was what you'd expect from a Sig. As a lefty, I wouldn't buy one for me, but if you are a right handed shooter, they are a real nice gun.

QUICK_DRAW_McGRAW
January 10, 2013, 10:10 PM
SR22

I might be biased.

Grunt
January 11, 2013, 02:24 PM
I have both the SR22 and M&P22. Both have been quite accurate for what they are and have been very reliable even with cheap Wal-Mart bulk ammo. The only stoppage I've had was a failure to eject with the SR22 when I intentionally limp wristed it just to see if I could cause a stoppage. The P22, Bersa and Mosquito have been considered but I passed on them based on reports of being finicky when it comes to ammo selections. One other thing I like about the M&P over the SR22 is that it is an excellent trainer for my full sized M&P45 as well as the ability to use the same holster for both. Holster selection for the SR22 is a bit more lacking though. :(

weblance
January 12, 2013, 12:32 AM
weblance, is yout Bersa ammo picky?

I cant really give you a good answer because I have only shot MiniMags, Stingers, and Blazer bulk thru it. Before I bought the Bersa, I read what I could find about it, and most recommendations were for MiniMags. I only have 1,000 or so rounds downrange with it, mostly Blazers, and it does just fine with those. I can get the 525 Bulk packs for $16, so thats what I stick with. I really haven't done alot of ammo testing with it. It is very reliable with the Blazers, and I dont remember any malfunctions with the Bersa.

One thing I truly like about the Bersa(Walther PPK) is the style, and the feeling in the hand. This pistol style is a true work of art, and whoever did the the actual, original design, was a genius. The pistol points naturally and seems to easily hit whatever its pointed at(my Bersa Thunder 380 is the same). I also have a Ruger SR22P, and although I am a Ruger fanboy, the SR22P just lacks any real "style" that the Bersa has. They shoot the same, operate the same, and are equals as far as accuracy, and mode of operation. The Bersa always draws positive comments from the shooters at the range, but the Ruger is just another black 22 pistol.

Kiln
January 12, 2013, 03:25 AM
My Walther P22 was trash. I couldn't get through a full magazine with multiple ammo types.

TennJed
January 12, 2013, 04:14 AM
I cant really give you a good answer because I have only shot MiniMags, Stingers, and Blazer bulk thru it. Before I bought the Bersa, I read what I could find about it, and most recommendations were for MiniMags. I only have 1,000 or so rounds downrange with it, mostly Blazers, and it does just fine with those. I can get the 525 Bulk packs for $16, so thats what I stick with. I really haven't done alot of ammo testing with it. It is very reliable with the Blazers, and I dont remember any malfunctions with the Bersa.

One thing I truly like about the Bersa(Walther PPK) is the style, and the feeling in the hand. This pistol style is a true work of art, and whoever did the the actual, original design, was a genius. The pistol points naturally and seems to easily hit whatever its pointed at(my Bersa Thunder 380 is the same). I also have a Ruger SR22P, and although I am a Ruger fanboy, the SR22P just lacks any real "style" that the Bersa has. They shoot the same, operate the same, and are equals as far as accuracy, and mode of operation. The Bersa always draws positive comments from the shooters at the range, but the Ruger is just another black 22 pistol.
I 100% agree on the style. I have a Makarov, CZ83, and a PPK. That style is my favorite handgun style. The Bersa 22 has always been high on my want list

F-111 John
January 12, 2013, 09:29 AM
I voted with my wallet for the Ruger SR22P

Trad Archer
January 12, 2013, 10:21 AM
I was of thinking of getting the Walther myself. I know two guys who each have one. They both talked me out of it. They are both very unhappy with theirs. Too bad, because I sure like they the grip fits my hand.

doubleh
January 12, 2013, 11:49 AM
I used to have the little Walther. It never gave a minute's trouble and shot a lot of different brands of ammo. The only reason I don't still have it is that the #2 grandson wanted one badly and they just weren't available. So grandpa took pity on him. He still has it and it's still going great. This is over a few years time span.

I missed the Walther but when the little Ruger came out I decided to try one to to see what it was. It also shoots whatever brand of ammo is loaded in it without a hitch and has had no mechanical problems either. Getting close to a year now with it.

Other than the safety and mag release operations I really don't notice any difference in the two. They feel the same in my hand and the accuracy is comparable.

I've only held the Sig and M&P at the gunshop. Both feel good in my hand. I would like to try both but probably won't unless someone I know happens to buy one and let's me shoot it.

danez71
January 12, 2013, 12:04 PM
I cant really give you a good answer because I have only shot MiniMags, Stingers, and Blazer bulk thru it. Before I bought the Bersa, I read what I could find about it, and most recommendations were for MiniMags. I only have 1,000 or so rounds downrange with it, mostly Blazers, and it does just fine with those. I can get the 525 Bulk packs for $16, so thats what I stick with. I really haven't done alot of ammo testing with it. It is very reliable with the Blazers, and I dont remember any malfunctions with the Bersa.

One thing I truly like about the Bersa(Walther PPK) is the style, and the feeling in the hand. This pistol style is a true work of art, and whoever did the the actual, original design, was a genius. The pistol points naturally and seems to easily hit whatever its pointed at(my Bersa Thunder 380 is the same). I also have a Ruger SR22P, and although I am a Ruger fanboy, the SR22P just lacks any real "style" that the Bersa has. They shoot the same, operate the same, and are equals as far as accuracy, and mode of operation. The Bersa always draws positive comments from the shooters at the range, but the Ruger is just another black 22 pistol.

I agree pretty much with all of this too.

I have the SR22p and the Firestorm (Bersa) .22 as well.

My Bersa has never failed with CCI minimags and Blazers but I'll add that it hasnt liked the really cheap stuff.

However, aarondhgraham has one and it seems to like everything.

My SR22 doesnt seem to be ammo picky at all as its shot the same ammo that my Firestorm/Bersa choked on.

weblance
January 12, 2013, 05:28 PM
Everybodys SR22P runs fine with any bulk ammo, except mine. I dont understand it, but mine doesnt like Federal or Winchester bulk. Its shoots and ejects fine, but then doesnt pick up the next round. I have 5 magazines, and it does that with all 5. The recoil spring is correctly captive on the guide rod. I have maybe 4,000 rounds downrange now, so its broken in. Its also not particularly accurate. It will put all shots on an 8" paper plate at 25 yards, but thats as good as it can do. I suppose I could send it back to Ruger, they could probably help the accuracy. I sent my stainless Single Six back because it would bind up with the LR cylinder, and also made the comment that it wasnt very accurate(same thing, paper plate accurate at 25 yards). It came back with the same barrel, and now will group 2-3" at 25 yards. I dont know if they fire-lapped it or what(*magic*)but its much better. I would like my SR22P alot better if it was accurate.

Kiln
January 13, 2013, 04:12 AM
I was of thinking of getting the Walther myself. I know two guys who each have one. They both talked me out of it. They are both very unhappy with theirs. Too bad, because I sure like they the grip fits my hand.
Yeah the looks and ergonomics are great on the P22. That is where the good part ends from my experience.

Jaymo
January 13, 2013, 09:46 PM
weblance, they could have recrowned the muzzle, recut the forcing cone, or reamed the chamber mouths to match each other and the barrel.

littlebluevette
January 13, 2013, 09:51 PM
Don't know about the others but I have a M&P 22. It is a great plunker, cheap and fun to shoot plus accurate to boot.

helitack32f1
January 14, 2013, 02:33 AM
Everybodys SR22P runs fine with any bulk ammo, except mine. I dont understand it, but mine doesnt like Federal or Winchester bulk. Its shoots and ejects fine, but then doesnt pick up the next round. I have 5 magazines, and it does that with all 5. The recoil spring is correctly captive on the guide rod. I have maybe 4,000 rounds downrange now, so its broken in. Its also not particularly accurate. It will put all shots on an 8" paper plate at 25 yards, but thats as good as it can do. I suppose I could send it back to Ruger, they could probably help the accuracy. I sent my stainless Single Six back because it would bind up with the LR cylinder, and also made the comment that it wasnt very accurate(same thing, paper plate accurate at 25 yards). It came back with the same barrel, and now will group 2-3" at 25 yards. I dont know if they fire-lapped it or what(*magic*)but its much better. I would like my SR22P alot better if it was accurate.

Sorry to hear of your issues with the SR22p. I say mine has been nearly flawless but i forget to take into account, that is compared to the worthless Walther I had.

I was getting occasional failures to feed with mine and finally came to the conclusion it had something to do with me gripping the gun tightly. With the accessory floor plates on the magazines, squeezing the grip hard seems to put just enough pressure down and back on the mag to cause a failure to feed. I tested this by doing it on purpose and it failed to feed a couple of times but then I couldn't replicate it again so can't say for sure that is what is going on.

As for accuracy, mine has pin point accuracy as long as I am plinking at small targets, like cans, shotgun shells etc, but when fired at paper, it was greatly similar to what you have stated.

Here are three 50 round groups from 25 yards, resting hands on a rest. I suspect accuracy is way better when not resting. Or when a more competent shooter is involved.

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll197/helitack32f1/P1090038.jpg

Avenger29
January 14, 2013, 02:38 AM
I'd get the SR-22 or MP-22.

snooperman
January 15, 2013, 07:46 AM
Walther should be ashamed for putting their good name on the P22... Go with the Ruger and you will not be disappointed.

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