Michael Moore Interview: Could Be GAME CHANGER


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Pointshoot
January 10, 2013, 03:52 AM
Hi guys. I heard about this interview today with Michael Moore, the guy who did the Columbine CO school shooting film. It absolutely was not what I expected. It completely blew me out of my chair. Take the time to watch the whole thing. But, if time is short pay particular attention at what is said from around 11 min 30 sec into the video - that is, the last 3 minutes.
And then, please pass it on to others. If this kind of information was put out there stongly, it could very well be a game changer. It could be at the heart of an offensive against those attacking the 2A. As important as this, is protecting the kids including those impacted by these medications.
Thank you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZpihECO6xs

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RatDrall
January 10, 2013, 07:26 AM
Why would anything Michael Moore do have anything to do with the Legal forum?

CTGunner
January 10, 2013, 08:10 AM
Better than I expected. Guns are the smoke screen. And as he states the other issues need to be investigated.

Pointshoot
January 10, 2013, 09:20 AM
RatDrall - I know, when I first saw his name - I thought the same as you.

I was absolutely blown away by this. It could be important to the defense of the 2A - to hear if from a guy like him, who has done a complete turn around on this issue. Regards, - - -




P.S. - I wasnt quite sure where to put this topic. It got shut down on the activism discussion forum - which I understand. Though there is kinda the call to action - to demand an investigation on this. As far as I can find, here at the Legal forum is the only place for discussing general 2A topics. If I'm mistaken perhaps some one would please direct me as to the best place to post this on THR. Thanks.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
January 10, 2013, 10:15 AM
This is what quite a few have been saying for a long time... I agree. It is too convenient for kids to go on drugs to help them behave. While I do think there are cases where some might need medicine, I have also seen a lot of abuse of it too...

Silent Bob
January 10, 2013, 10:29 AM
I wouldn't just start celebrating Moore's name. Just last week on one of the social media sites he was posting an image of an M-4 and some lawn darts and asking "Guess which one of these is subject to more regulations?"

Pointshoot
January 10, 2013, 10:32 AM
Cjohnson76- yes, youre right of course. Many of us were already aware of this issue. But what has gotten a lot of peoples attention is that Michael Moore - who was a strong voice on the anti side for years - - - has had a complete turn around as to the likely cause of these shootings. And, the case against these psychiatric drugs is presented in this video so effectively. If we can get non gun people to stop and think "Hey . . maybe its not about the guns afterall." that would be quite an accomplishment IMO. Best regards, - - -



P.S. - another benefit of this video is that it was done back in July 2012. Moore can't change his position now to appeal to his core audience after recent events, (though perhaps he wouldnt do this anyway - he seemed very sincere. )

BigG
January 10, 2013, 10:37 AM
The point is schools administer those psychotropic drugs like jelly beans to these boys and take no responsibility for making them crazy.

Pointshoot
January 10, 2013, 10:44 AM
BigG said " The point is schools administer those psychotropic drugs like jelly beans to these boys and take no responsibility for making them crazy. "

Yes ! I wish I could give you an 'up arrow' or 'attaboy' but I dont see a way to do that on this forum.

And, Eli Lilly covered up the results of their own studies that showed all this.

beatledog7
January 10, 2013, 10:51 AM
he was posting an image of an M-4 and some lawn darts and asking "Guess which one of these is subject to more regulations?

Sure, but his emphasis was skewed. Lawn darts were essentially banned because of the idiocy of a few people, once again punishing everyone for the mistakes/misdeeds of a few because that was the easy path. Government loves to take the easy route to being able to say, "We care, so we did something about this."

It was no more appropriate to ban lawn darts than it would be to ban the M-4.

Pointshoot
January 10, 2013, 11:06 AM
SilentBob said: "I wouldn't just start celebrating Moore's name. Just last week on one of the social media sites he was posting an image of an M-4 and some lawn darts and asking "Guess which one of these is subject to more regulations?"

I absolutely agree with you. I would have to see the other video. Maybe he should have included a bottle of these pills and ask - "Which of these have been a factor in so many senseless murders and suicides ?" But Moore can't flip flop on this one - his words are already out there. And in July 2012 he made a very strong case in that video.

BTW - if anyone is more computer saavy than I am, maybe they can record the video in case YouTube decides to take it down. "copywrite' , you know.

IMO this could be a game changer, not just because its out there - - - but only if those of us who support the 2A and those who care about whats happening to kids demand an investigation of this. Regards everyone, - - -

blaisenguns
January 10, 2013, 11:13 AM
Thank you! I have been saying this!!

MedWheeler
January 10, 2013, 11:18 AM
The point is schools administer those psychotropic drugs like jelly beans to these boys and take no responsibility for making them crazy.

This is not entirely accurate. While medications can be technically administered by school staff, they are done so under physician's orders. These medications are classified as controlled or regulated substances. School staff members do not have the proper licensing to prescribe medications, and no elementary school that I know of (and I've taught in several) maintains a pharmacy.

DammitBoy
January 10, 2013, 11:26 AM
Excellent video, thanks for posting a link to it. I will be using it in all the social media where I am fighting against gun control proponents.

Here is another great video to use in that fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jspJfjB7raI&sns=fb

Very well spoken and 100% correct

CharlieDeltaJuliet
January 10, 2013, 11:31 AM
Point shoot, I agree. I just wouldn't put a great deal of faith in Michael Moore. I agree however that it is a subject of merit. I just think that to the government, it is easier to blame the guns instead of a drug. After all, this nations medical corporations are must stronger lobbyists than our NRA or other gun owners rights organizations. Lets just hope some people can see the reason in our arguments.

anchorman
January 11, 2013, 12:31 PM
Better than I expected. Guns are the smoke screen. And as he states the other issues need to be investigated.
that's kind of what he said in bowling for columbine, too... He went to canada where they also own a bunch of guns yet have low crime rates, and was asking questions about what else it might be that makes people flip here?

mljdeckard
January 11, 2013, 12:33 PM
I must have missed it. What game is this going to change?

anchorman
January 11, 2013, 12:39 PM
This is not entirely accurate. While medications can be technically administered by school staff, they are done so under physician's orders. These medications are classified as controlled or regulated substances. School staff members do not have the proper licensing to prescribe medications, and no elementary school that I know of (and I've taught in several) maintains a pharmacy.
I have heard of incidents where the school basically told the parents, get your kids on some meds, or he's not coming back.

They take away recess, they treat you like you are a criminal in jail, instead of an inquisitive young soul... Maybe they need to find a way to teach without keeping everyone in rows? Some schools succeed at that. for the most part, though now they teach kids to take tests, rather than to be curious. and they are surprised when they can't keep kids in their seats.

DammitBoy
January 11, 2013, 12:56 PM
I must have missed it. What game is this going to change?

If we utilize this video in the correct manner, it helps get the focus off of guns and the focus on the social issues that are the real problem.

I have used it already in gun debates on social forums and it has done an amazing job of changing the focus of those discussions.

Pointshoot
January 11, 2013, 01:30 PM
Thanks to all my fellow Americans here who have passed this video to others & have used it in their discussions.

Here's some further supporting information to help our efforts -

A physician discussing the link between these medications and violent/suicidal behavior:


CAN ANTI-DEPRESSANTS CAUSE VIOLENCE ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyPuE...ature=youtu.be

And heres a chilling account from an ex Pharma sales rep. Thankfully, as an insider, she knew what was going on and could protect herself somewhat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFbs8s3VI6M

Regards everyone, - - -

P.S. - - - I passed this on to my Congressman

Zoogster
January 11, 2013, 05:32 PM
anchorman said: I have heard of incidents where the school basically told the parents, get your kids on some meds, or he's not coming back.

It is very common. Many other kids are taking medication, and they see it as a positive to have the ability to administer medication to students. It gives them more control over students and lets them do more with fewer resources.
(Whether it is actually what is best for the individual or not.)

They heavily suggest medication, make it seem like the only solution to many parents if the child is acting up, and not getting the child on medication would be viewed as not cooperating and trying to fix issue.
Making them a parent not working with the school to resolve the behavioral issues.
Such a parent might find thier child expelled sooner, and/or reports regarding the poor parenting.
Such reports from school officials would weigh heavily against the parent in the future if the state wanted to take some or all parental rights away from that parent. It could also have implications in any future custody battles where thier performance as a parent is being questioned by whoever wants custody.
So it could have consequences well beyond just enrollment at the school.


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Deus Machina
January 11, 2013, 06:36 PM
FWIW, while Moore may have been a voice in the anti-gunner's speaker (while professing to be pro-sporting-purposes), he's also a critic of the American health care system.

Maybe he just sees the cause for what it is, and the 2A is his general target of opportunity.

Resto Guy
January 11, 2013, 06:56 PM
It's a shame that so many give credibilty to the opinions of the Hollywood elite. I could care less what he thinks or used to think in the past.
I certainly hope that Mr. Moore's opinion is not so important to America that it is the "game changer" that sets things right.
If it does, it's another indication of how screwed up this country is.

omcf
January 11, 2013, 07:45 PM
That is great that the all pervading media culture we live in doe not affect your views, but there may be some other non-gun owners out there who might be reached by his clout (as opposed to say Alex Jones) and the way he can present his views (as opposed to most of us with a cell phone video on youtube).

Just sayin this might be an arrow in the quiver, as it were.

Deus Machina
January 11, 2013, 07:53 PM
I agree that no one else should be able to affect what we think without thought on our part. I believe it was Johnny Depp, and I could be mistaken, that was asked about his thoughts on an issue and replied "Why should what i think matter?"

The thing is, is that these people are out there and a face to stick to a standpoint and make people aware of an issue. And if they're all that some people hear about it, yeah, it makes a difference.

Zoogster
January 11, 2013, 08:28 PM
I still wouldn't push moore's videos. If he gets something decent every now and then you are still ultimately supporting a speaker that will encourage strict gun laws.

Pointshoot
January 12, 2013, 12:15 PM
I agree with others here who dont look to 'celebrity' opinions.

Unfortunately, many people in this country today do look to them. They consider themselves 'with it' (or whatever the current terminology is) when they are only trying to follow the herd.

Its sad, but true.

"Mankind are governed more by their emotions, than by reason." - Samuel Adams, 1776 - letter to Samuel Cooper

Jim K
January 12, 2013, 12:24 PM
We hear a lot about drugs and violent video games, movies, and TV shows. But...

Hollywood, the video inductry, and the big drug companies contributed billions to the Democratic party and the Obama campaign.

The NRA and gun owners contributed nothing.

Guess who Obama wants to destroy.

Jim

steelerdude99
January 12, 2013, 01:13 PM
I still wouldn't push moore's videos. If he gets something decent every now and then you are still ultimately supporting a speaker that will encourage strict gun laws.

I too am cautious of Moore's (or anyone’s delivery) on a topic. I ran into a related on story on YouTube right after his video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UDlH9sV0lHU

It is about psychotropic drugs’ effects and side-effects on the population. I watched the whole thing and it covered how we’re just test subjects ... bla bla bla. It's an hour and 43 minutes long. The part past the one hour mark (yes, one can fast forward), could be considered the condensed version.

Psyche doctors want mandatory mental health screenings. My take is that the screenings will result in commitment and lifelong loss of firearms. They’ll start with what they consider "at risk groups" like veterans and seniors. The video also alluded to that as much as 50% of population may be “at risk” of mental illness. In the first hour, they discuss how they “create patients”; so 50% does not surprise me. So, that’s half of the U.S. that should be treated for mental illness and of course should not own firearms”? [Not that psychotropic medications cause suicidal or homicidal actions.]

In this day in age when many want a new law passed to specifically address every tragedy, the root cause the event took place in the first place will continue or get worse.

chuck

Colonel
January 12, 2013, 01:31 PM
As we saw in his "Bowling for Columbine," Michael Moore is a ---deleted--- an anti-gun zealot.

Whether or not he's right about drugs making kids whack out, I wouldn't throw my lot in with him in a trillion years.

Pointshoot
January 12, 2013, 02:22 PM
Colonel - not throwing our lot in with him, just using his own words to our advantage.

Like internet judo. :D

Regards, - - -

Resto Guy
January 12, 2013, 05:24 PM
Posted by omcf : That is great that the all pervading media culture we live in doe not affect your views, but there may be some other non-gun owners out there who might be reached by his clout (as opposed to say Alex Jones) and the way he can present his views (as opposed to most of us with a cell phone video on youtube).

Just sayin this might be an arrow in the quiver, as it were.


Because I do not think Michael Moore should have the clout to influence the views of our weak minded politicians or citizens, you pretend to know what will or will not affect my views?

As my 12 year old niece would add, just sayin.

SSN Vet
January 12, 2013, 06:48 PM
B4 everyone dog piles on the schools.... just keep in mind that some of these kids receive absolutely p!$$ poor parenting and have never heard the word "no" in there lives. Then at age 5 the "parents" outsource the rearing of their kids to a public school environment where the means of effective discipline are verboten, either by philosophical bent, or by statute.

Add to the mix that the school will receive Federal funds if they get the kids coded, and you have a perfect storm of dysfunction.

One has to wonder if our nation has become accursed... and is now fully reaping what it has long sewn.

Apuuli
January 12, 2013, 06:58 PM
Note that the video is NOT Michael Moore's video. He did not make it. He was interviewed for it, one of many people who were interviewed for the video. The people who DID make the video are not exactly what you might call down-to-earth, so I'd be careful about using this video by itself as evidence.

Art Eatman
January 14, 2013, 11:24 AM
Good point, Apuuli. Anyhow, enough non-legal chit-chat.

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