Heavy BB .357 through LCR


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Killermonkey21
January 10, 2013, 12:36 PM
Hello All,

So, my LGS had a buy 3 get 1 free deal after black friday and I like supporting them, so I spent a few bucks there. I was headed to the range later, so I bought some .357 Mag ammo for my Ruger LCR. All they had was high priced specialty defense ammo for like $40 a box, and I saw Buffalo Bore priced at $30 a box of 25, so I bought 2 boxes, thinking nothing of it.

I was at the range with two of my Soldiers and after showing off my 1911, 8mm mauser, and shotgun, I handed them my LCR loaded with the BB without thinking or reading the box. One of them shoots it and mentions how much recoil there was. I usually shoot Golden Sabers through it for SD training, and while theres kick, the Hogue grips absorb the recoil, so I just called him a pansy and told him to finish the cylinder up. Then I shot it...

Ho-lee-SMOKES that hurt! Dang thing nearly jumped sideways out of my hand!

Apparently I bought HEAVY .357 mag.:what: 180 grain, hard cast, gas-checked bullet estimated at 1400 FPS...
I shot it over my chrono later (3 rounds of it...I'm not he-man here) and it clocked 1310 FPS out of my snubby LCR.

So, my question is, did I just cut the life expectancy of my LCR by any by shooting these heavy loads?

I made up some loads with Zip powder (forget the grains, but it was mid-range data, 158 grain LSWC clocked at 1000 FPS) and they shot fine, as well as my standard Golden Saber SD loads, so the gun still functions fine and accuracy is about where it shoudl be. Anywhere I can look for possible damage? Would gas cutting of the top strap be an issue? I havn't looked too hard but I'll be giving it a better look see tonight.

I'm asking here because I'm a total newbie when it comes to wheel guns. I can BS with the best about semi-autos, but I've just recently gotten bit by the wheelgun bug. Thanks!

-SSG John V.

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rcmodel
January 10, 2013, 12:49 PM
If you can stand it, the Ruger can too.

A few rounds isn't going to do any perminent damage like gas cutting.

I would not make a habit of it though.

rc

Killermonkey21
January 10, 2013, 12:58 PM
Thanks, RC. I was kind of hoping you would post here.

By habit of it what would you say the cut off should be? I'm thinking of keeping the other 30+ rounds of it in safe keeping for those friends who say they're not afraid of recoil. I don't plan on buying it again, but it's nice to know that my snubby is going to live.

rcmodel
January 10, 2013, 01:06 PM
Read it from the horses mouth.

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=100

rc

351 WINCHESTER
January 10, 2013, 01:10 PM
Don't shoot their ammo in an lcr. BB states that their load is for all steel revolvers only.

foghornl
January 10, 2013, 01:18 PM
I shot some of those through my early-vintage "Sheriff's Model" Vaquero, and they were a REAL handful in that revolver.

I can't imagine shooting a bunch through an LCR...my wrists hurt just thinking about it.

rcmodel
January 10, 2013, 01:19 PM
This is what they say:
We don't recommend this ammo to be fired in super light alloy revolvers as bullets may jump crimp under recoil, but the ammo itself wont hurt these super light weight revolvers. These revolvers are simply so light that the recoil is severe enough to cause crimp jump.

rc

Killermonkey21
January 10, 2013, 04:36 PM
Thanks, again, RC. My Soldier shot the whole cylinder without any noticeable side effects, and the roll crimp on these rounds is TIGHT. I'm almost afraid to resize the cases because of how hard the crimp is. I have yet to reload any of the brass, so we shall see.

rcmodel
January 10, 2013, 04:41 PM
I doubt you are doing any of your solders marksmanship skills any good though.

Once they develop a bad flinch, it takes a magic fairy wand to get rid of it.

rc

Killermonkey21
January 10, 2013, 04:49 PM
Ha! Yeah, you have a point. It was for fun on the civvie range off-duty hours. Hell, I've been shooting since I was 8 years old and that ammo dang-near gave ME a flinch. Shooting it over my chronograph was not enjoyable, as I couldn't flinch for fear of shooting my brand new chrony.

We spent a good 20 minutes target shooting with my .45 plinking loads as well, and he was putting most of the rounds in the target at 10 yards, so I don't think I did any permanent damage. Good to keep in mind, though.

...Although the 3" magnum slug I got him to shoot after that might have been bad too...hmmm. ;)

351 WINCHESTER
January 10, 2013, 06:24 PM
BB states that their .357 loads are safe in any steel revolver. I don't know how to copy and paste, but I can read. The last time I looked a lcr isn't a steel gun.

Killermonkey21
January 10, 2013, 06:57 PM
The LCR is a steel revolver. All of the firing components (cylinder, barrel, barrel shroud, upper part of the frame) are stainless steel. It is the grip that is polymer. The .38 special LCR is partly aluminum, but I have the heavier .357 LCR. That is what I am tracking at least.

The Teacher
January 10, 2013, 07:04 PM
BB states that their .357 loads are safe in any steel revolver. I don't know how to copy and paste, but I can read. The last time I looked a lcr isn't a steel gun.
Clearly you can read, but as most people do, you stopped reading when you saw the information you wanted and ignored the rest. Note is says ANY, not ONLY. And it also says, "We don't recommend this ammo to be fired in super light alloy revolvers as bullets may jump crimp under recoil, but the ammo itself wont hurt these super light weight revolvers.

From Ruger:
Our 357 mag. ammo adds more power than ever before to the 357 mag. This ammo is safe to shoot in ANY all steel 357 revolver - this includes J frames. This ammo is no harder on your gun than any other normal 357 ammo. Please don't phone us and ask if this ammo is safe in your gun. It is, providing your gun is in safe condition for use with any normal 357 ammo.

We don't recommend this ammo to be fired in super light alloy revolvers as bullets may jump crimp under recoil, but the ammo itself wont hurt these super light weight revolvers. These revolvers are simply so light that the recoil is severe enough to cause crimp jump.

As Killermonkey21 mentioned the .357 KLCR is a steel gun with a polymer grip. I've fired Underwood's 125gr 1600fps in my LCR and have had a slight crimp jump with the 5th round. So I load four and have no issues. I've yet to try a load heavier than 180gr, but look forward to getting the chance.

351 WINCHESTER
January 10, 2013, 07:39 PM
I stand corrected. I thought the lcr had a polymer frame.

Collector0311
January 10, 2013, 10:06 PM
I've got my lcr in 357 and I am in love. When I take my buddies out I load up 2 specials, 2 +P's, and cap it off with a 357 just to show them the difference back to back. Their faces after round 5 make the whole experience worth it. Enjoy! Looking forward to reading some more of your opinions on the "Glock-volver" as I've come to know them haha

rswartsell
January 11, 2013, 01:53 AM
The Ruger LCR,

In the best tradition of the lifelong maverick Jim Ruger, is a wholly new design. The frame as such is not polymer, but the "lower" is.

Stress_Test
January 11, 2013, 10:23 PM
I shot it over my chrono later (3 rounds of it...I'm not he-man here) and it clocked 1310 FPS out of my snubby LCR.


-SSG John V.

By my calculation, a 180gr round at 1300 fps gives 675 ft-lbf of energy!! :what:


Everyone should reference this thread the next time someone wants to say that a snubbie .357 isn't any better than a 4" barrel 9mm! :D

'course, you'd better hit your opponent (man, bear, whatever) on the first shot, because I bet it's awfully slow to make follow up shots with that kind of power in a snub!

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