Walther P99 vs PPQ..I went with the P99.


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CPshooter
January 10, 2013, 01:30 PM
I was a little bummed to say the least after I heard the recent news over the PPQ "M1" being discontinued here in the U.S. The PPQ was going to be my next 9mm purchase. After a lot of internet searching and phone calls to local (and not so local) gun shops without any success, I basically gave up on the idea of owning a PPQ.

I was going to replace my Glock 26 and 17 with a PPS and PPQ, respectively. However, now that the PPQ is near impossible to find for less than like $7-800, my next thought was, "Okay, what about that older P99 design?" I've actually owned a fullsize P99 .40 with the A/S trigger configuration at one point, but sold it rather quickly because I was not a fan of the .40s&w in that platform. Otherwise, I absolutely loved the gun and always wanted one in 9mm. Just never got around to buying one...

Until now that is! I really thought about what I wanted in a compact-sized 9mm and I decided the P99 A/S in 9mm would serve me better than the PPQ, so I found one LNIB with < 200 rounds and 5 Walther magazines and bought it for $600 shipped! Here's what I like better about the P99 A/S:

- It's not fully pre-cocked like the PPQ. A FULLY pre-cocked striker scares me, even if it has a FPB safety and a trigger safety. I like that the P99 has a harder, but still smooth DA 1st trigger pull and it's fully de-cocked, which significantly reduces the chances of an AD under stress or a ND if it gets dropped. Sure the PPQ has a consistent and still really nice trigger pull from the first shot to the last, but the single-action mode of the P99 A/S trigger is still better IMO. I think the PPQ is better suited for competitive shooting scenarios with its consistent trigger pull, while the P99 is better suited for actual concealed or duty carry.

- No front cocking serrations. Need I say more? :barf:

- Paddle style magazine release. I'm a big fan of this system over a push-button for speed and also for reliability in defensive situations (no chance of accidentally pushing the mag release and ejecting a mag while the gun is holstered).

- While not quite as contoured as the PPQ grip, the P99 grip is essentially the same shape and still feels really darn good.

I just wanted to share my thought process and buying decision with everyone else because I know I'm not alone on this one. There are probably hundreds of people frantically trying to hunt down a PPQ as I type this...so my advice is STOP and think about what you really need. Maybe the PPQ isn't the best gun for the job at hand!

That being said, I think the new 5" PPQ M2 would make for a fantastic competition gun and I will likely pick up one of these in the next year as well. I still wish it had the paddle style magazine release, but it might be possible to put the 5" slide on an original PPQ frame to get the best of both worlds. I guess time will tell if this is going to be possible or not. Even if it isn't, I suspect I'll end up buying the 5" M2 instead of the Glock 34 I was planning on buying.

Anyways, just wanted to share! Happy shooting!

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wild cat mccane
January 10, 2013, 02:06 PM
The best choice.

The P99 AS has a smoother SA trigger than the PPQ-which everyone raves about. Go figure.

Fishbed77
January 10, 2013, 02:09 PM
Excellent choice.

I prefer the P99AS to the PPQ for a number of reasons, many of which you touched on.

Excellent choice on caliber as well. The P99 is a great pistol in .40S&W, but it's absolutely sublime in 9mm.


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CPshooter
January 10, 2013, 02:19 PM
Yep...I like the .40s&w cartridge in my Sig P229, but for the P99 platform it's just too much for me to enjoy.

Just found out that the 5 magazines included are all 10 round magazines...crap! Looks like I'll be getting a refund and I'll have to look elsewhere for another P99.

ExTank
January 10, 2013, 04:23 PM
Not so fast there... a like new P99AS, even with 10 rd. mags, for $600 is not a bad price; not the best, but far from the worst I've seen.

You may be able to dicker it down a bit, being as they are 10-rounders.

Take the savings and buy some 15-rounders. I think it's Mecgar that makes the lower-priced P99 mags. Walther is just silly in their asking price for magazines.

ETA: I don't see a location listed by your user name, but if you are anywhere close to a Cabella's keep an eye out for sale priced Walther's; I got my P99AS in .40 for $520.00 all-in from them.

MoreIsLess
January 10, 2013, 05:23 PM
I bought a PPQ a few months ago although I didn't really need another gun. Now I'm glad I did.

Fishbed77
January 10, 2013, 05:38 PM
I think it's Mecgar that makes the lower-priced P99 mags. Walther is just silly in their asking price for magazines.


Mec-Gar makes the factory Walther magazines. They also make the identical magazines for the Magnum Reseach MR Eagle clone. The only difference is the marking on the polymer baseplate.

The magazines marked for the MR Eagle work flawlessly in the P99 and cost about $20 less than the Walther-marked mags.

CPshooter
January 10, 2013, 05:42 PM
Not so fast there... a like new P99AS, even with 10 rd. mags, for $600 is not a bad price; not the best, but far from the worst I've seen.

You may be able to dicker it down a bit, being as they are 10-rounders.

Take the savings and buy some 15-rounders. I think it's Mecgar that makes the lower-priced P99 mags. Walther is just silly in their asking price for magazines.

ETA: I don't see a location listed by your user name, but if you are anywhere close to a Cabella's keep an eye out for sale priced Walther's; I got my P99AS in .40 for $520.00 all-in from them.
I took your advice and offered the seller a lower price. I guess I'll see what happens...

Let's say I can get $30 per 10-round magazine (not even sure if that's reasonable). That's $150, which might buy me three 15-round magazines if I can even find them at that price. So $600 for a used P99 and 3 magazines at best doesn't really seem like a good deal to me. It's not a horrible deal, but definitely not a good one. I'd rather be patient and find a new one with two magazines for $600. Know what I mean?

ExTank
January 10, 2013, 05:56 PM
Know what I mean?

I certainly do. All my Walther's were NIB.

Sometimes you just have to trust your gut feeling on these things.

CPshooter
January 10, 2013, 10:02 PM
Well, the seller accepted my offer of $550 shipped. I feel a little better now. Hey ExTank, thanks for not giving up on a fellow THR member! haha!

777TRUTH
January 11, 2013, 01:59 AM
I'd rather have the P99 vs the PPQ also. Congrats!

Ehtereon11B
January 11, 2013, 10:28 AM
The P99 is very manageable in .40 if you put the right ammo in it. A little harder to find but a 155 or 165 grain .40 kicks just a little more than a 9mm. The grips make a big difference too. I keep my eye open for a P99c in 9mm or 40 as a backup.

group17
January 11, 2013, 02:04 PM
I have a P99cAS and a pps 9 mm. Bought both used for $400 a piece. The pps came with 3 mags.(the only down side of walthers IMO mag prices) Good luck with yours!

mesinge2
January 11, 2013, 02:41 PM
I really want a P99 myself so:

http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc401/mesinge2/Misc/jealous1.gif

Soldiernurse
January 11, 2013, 09:43 PM
Really? The trigger axn on the Original PPQ (never heard it referred to as an M1?) 40 is awesome. I bought it at a Gun Show NIB a few years back. I could not disagree more w/OP's negatives on the Q! However, to each his own.

RBid
January 11, 2013, 10:08 PM
Thankfully, Walther makes both. For guys who want DA/SA, the P99 is best. For folks who prefer a constant, the PPQ is there.

I'm a PPQ guy. I agree that the P99 single action pull is fantastic, but I like the PPQ's first pull, and it doesn't really get functionally superior to a 1/10" pull on follow-up shots. Few people train to a point where they extract full value from that kind of travel, as it is.

AgentV3
January 12, 2013, 04:16 AM
Take the savings and buy some 15-rounders. I think it's Mecgar that makes the lower-priced P99 mags. Walther is just silly in their asking price for magazines.


Mec-Gar manufactures the P99 and PPQ magazines for Walther. They have to be the priciest magazines I've seen in any semi-auto pistol, including Glock.

wow6599
January 12, 2013, 08:43 AM
From what I've been told on another thread I started, you probably could have bought a PPQ and sold it for enough to buy (2) P99's.

This one is at $705 with 21 bids and 5 1/2 days left - http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=325022655

Ehtereon11B
January 12, 2013, 12:19 PM
Walther is just silly in their asking price for magazines.

Tell me about it. I picked up a few extra magazines for my .40 P99. Cheapest place I found the factory 12 rounders was $63 about a year ago.

ExTank
January 12, 2013, 01:47 PM
Really? The trigger axn on the Original PPQ (never heard it referred to as an M1?) 40 is awesome. I bought it at a Gun Show NIB a few years back. I could not disagree more w/OP's negatives on the Q! However, to each his own.


Thankfully, Walther makes both. For guys who want DA/SA, the P99 is best. For folks who prefer a constant, the PPQ is there.

I'm a PPQ guy. I agree that the P99 single action pull is fantastic, but I like the PPQ's first pull, and it doesn't really get functionally superior to a 1/10" pull on follow-up shots. Few people train to a point where they extract full value from that kind of travel, as it is.

I own both the P99 AS (in 9mm and .40) and a PPQ 9mm, and love them all (even if the .40 is a bit stout for me in polymer), but I tend to agree with the OP about the potential pitfalls of the PPQ as a carry piece, at least not without a bit of training and/or practice in drawing and such.

The PPQ is just ready to rock-and-roll from the moment you lay hands on it (by design; a very good one!), and that does require capital-R Respect from its wielder; even moreso, IMO, than most other firearms, even one as closely related as the P99.

I wish that more gun owners put even half as much thought into their gun buying decision making process as the OP has.

Phil W
January 12, 2013, 02:33 PM
I'm glad I bought a PPQ when I did. Been sitting in the vault for a while. Maybe the price went up because of hi-capacity mag. Hard to find any hi-cap pistols now.

ExTank
January 12, 2013, 02:44 PM
The price on PPQs went up because [The]Walther PPQ [is] discontinued (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=693991).

Phil W
January 12, 2013, 07:16 PM
I didn't realize that the original PPQ was discontinued until today. I purchased it a year or two ago after getting tired of waiting for my LGS to get my Sig p2202 in stock. Last June I bought a PPS after getting tired of waiting for M&P Shield. Sometimes things just work out.

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