Can small rifle primers be substituted for small pistol primers?


PDA






vito
January 10, 2013, 03:02 PM
Local stores have plenty of small rifle primers, but continue to have nothing in small pistol primers. Can these be used interchangeably? What risk would there be in 38 special or 40S&W if I used small rifle primers?

If you enjoyed reading about "Can small rifle primers be substituted for small pistol primers?" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
rcmodel
January 10, 2013, 03:07 PM
Really none to speak of.

1. If your guns have enough firing pin energy to set them off reliably.

2. You start low and work up the load with them as you should always do anyway when switching components.

I think there are already some prople doing it.

rc

buck460XVR
January 10, 2013, 03:24 PM
Really none to speak of.

1. If your guns have enough firing pin energy to set them off reliably.

2. You start low and work up the load with them as you should always do anyway when switching components.

I think there are already some prople doing it.

rc


yep...what RC said. SR primers have a harder cup so that when used in a rifle with higher pressure they do not pierce and allow hot escaping gases to damage the bolt face and firing pin. SP primers have a softer cup to make them ignite reliably with handgun firing systems. Many claim there is no difference in intensity of ignition, but as RC said, rework your load as when changing any component.

627PCFan
January 10, 2013, 03:51 PM
I use SR primers in all my pistol rounds (357 and 38). I have no failures to fire from using them, with the exception where I didnt seat the primer all the way. As always rework your load up-

SlamFire1
January 10, 2013, 06:06 PM
My question is then do small rifle primers seat below the case head?

I tried using large rifle primers in the 44 Mag and they all bottomed out with some of the primer above the case head.

rcmodel
January 10, 2013, 06:20 PM
No.
Small R & P primers & primer pockets are the same height & depth.
Lg R & P primers & pockets are not.


Lg. rifle primer pocket depth (min/max): .125"/.132"
Lg. pistol primer pocket depth (min/max): .117"/.123"

Lg. rifle primer cup height (min/max): .123"/.133"
Lg. pistol primer cup height (min/max): .115"/.125"

rc

918v
January 10, 2013, 06:31 PM
You are going to erode your breechface by using small rifle primers:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9j5-PzckoXM/Ty8FDZ965sI/AAAAAAAAFWg/bePquMlQeWw/s512/edited-Glock%252017%2520Breech%2520Cutting006.jpg

2zulu1
January 10, 2013, 08:06 PM
Sierra load data uses WSR primers for the 38 Super, I haven't seen any difference in performance or breech face issues in my 1911s. Now I only use small pistol primers, but it's nice to have backup.

Always use proper protocol and common sense when developing loads. :)

Hondo 60
January 10, 2013, 08:22 PM
Can small rifle primers be substituted for small pistol primers?

Maybe!

Before you go and makeup 50, try 2 or 3.
I know that my 38 Spl - a S&W Model 10-5 - does not strike the primer cup hard enough to set off a rifle primer.
But I have no problems with small PISTOL primers.
As usual rcmodel's advice is right on.
Try it - but start low & work up.
Rifle primers are supposedly a bit more energetic.

Scimmia
January 10, 2013, 08:25 PM
You are going to erode your breechface by using small rifle primers:

Only with low pressure loads. I believe that CCI has said that their small rifle primers are the same as their magnum small pistol primers.

Otto
January 10, 2013, 08:45 PM
I believe that CCI has said that their small rifle primers are the same as their magnum small pistol primers.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean you should use them....
Quote from CCI:
"Safety Note: use Magnum primers only when specified in published load data."

nofishbob
January 10, 2013, 09:18 PM
"I believe that CCI has said that their small rifle primers are the same as their magnum small pistol primers."

I had heard this, too.

I contacted CCI last year and was told emphatically that the SPM and SR primers are NOT the same.

I use SR in place of SPM without issue, but I have worked the loads up with these primers and am not pushing to the high end of the data.

Good luck!

Bob

waho
January 12, 2013, 06:19 PM
According to the VV 4th edition manual, .357 magnum loads require a small rifle primer.

dragon813gt
January 12, 2013, 06:41 PM
According to the VV 4th edition manual, .357 magnum loads require a small rifle primer.

Magnum primers are powder dependent. Not cartridge dependent.


Brought to you by TapaTalk

waho
January 12, 2013, 07:14 PM
The OP's question was if small rifle primers could be substituted for small pistol primers.

JLDickmon
January 12, 2013, 08:28 PM
because he can't find small pistol primers..

I'd say, "If it's a magnum cartridge with spherical powder (296/H110 for example) it wouldn't be out of the question, but you should always revert back to starting loads and work back up.."

mgmorden
January 12, 2013, 09:19 PM
There are a TON of guys on the competition circuit who do this. While I personally would buy actual small pistol if both were on the shelf, if I wanted to keep shooting and could only find small rifle I wouldn't hesitate to use them in my pistol loads.

Take RC's advice and work up your loads separately, but other than that, go for it.

dragon813gt
January 12, 2013, 09:22 PM
All I use for H110/W296 is SRP. But I worked the loads up and I'm using it in a carbine. I also have loads worked up w/ SPP for 2400.

I would only substitute SPP for SRP if I absolutely had to. SRP are equivalent to small pistol magnum primers IMO.


Brought to you by TapaTalk

If you enjoyed reading about "Can small rifle primers be substituted for small pistol primers?" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!