Wallmarts response to my email, not a canned answer


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gym
January 10, 2013, 05:37 PM
Thank you for your message.

Dear George,

Thank you for your recent inquiry. Walmart, like the rest of the country, has been engaged in a national dialogue about the responsible sale and regulation of firearms. We have had ongoing conversations with the Administration, Congress, Mayor Bloomberg’s office, sportsmen groups, suppliers and others to listen and share our thoughts and experiences.

Over the years we have been very purposeful about striking the right balance between serving hunters and sportsmen and ensuring that we sell firearms responsibly. In fact, we became a charter member of Mayor Bloomberg’s coalition against illegal guns and adopted the 10-point code established by the Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership that goes beyond what the law requires. We have also spoken to the Vice President’s office to share our perspective and have sent an appropriate representative to participate in this discussion.

We take this issue very seriously and are committed staying engaged in this discussion as the Administration and Congress work toward a consensus on the right path forward.

Sincerely,
Walmart Customer Care

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BLB68
January 10, 2013, 06:23 PM
What part of that leads you to believe it's not canned?

texasgun
January 10, 2013, 06:35 PM
"Dear George" is the only not canned part ....

Skribs
January 10, 2013, 06:36 PM
And that part was probably computer automated.

ATBackPackin
January 10, 2013, 06:39 PM
In fact, we became a charter member of Mayor Bloomberg’s coalition against illegal guns and adopted the 10-point code established by the Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership that goes beyond what the law requires.

I wonder how many mayors are in the coalition Mayors For Illegal Guns?

rcmodel
January 10, 2013, 06:39 PM
Or they have a box on a shelf full of boxes with "Dear George" letters in it! :D

rc

TheCracker
January 10, 2013, 06:45 PM
Screw Walmart. It's outrageous that the politicians are basically trying I get them onboard with with the restriction of our constitutional rights so they can make money.

It they do, we need a serious boycott or something. I already spend too much money there to begin with.

What kind of message would it send I 500k people sent in cut up SAMs clubs, walmart visa cards etc cards with a note explaining why.

22-rimfire
January 10, 2013, 08:04 PM
Walmart has been requesting more information than necessary for years when buying ammo. Why would this surprise you? Walmart is just a business. But they could throw a lot of weight around if they wanted to.

guyfromohio
January 10, 2013, 08:11 PM
Side with us and we'll call off our union dogs.

22-rimfire
January 10, 2013, 08:12 PM
That's funny. Union dawgs.

Tirod
January 10, 2013, 08:39 PM
It's not just Walmart cooperating with the Administration - as far as it doesn't hurt profits . . .

Corporations at large are the major restrictors of the the 2A. Look at the record, or better yet, YOUR workplace rules. Carry concealed, probably not. Have a gun in the trunk of your car, only as long as they have no clue. The policies are usually written "not on our property." And when they fire you for it, you have to sue, and half a dozen cases haven't settled it yet.

Actually use the gun to protect yourself and coworkers, you get fired. Then, read up the fine print in your health care package. You can't engage in hobbies that may increase the risk to your health - like skydiving. Now, ask yourself, when was shooting a gun at a range NOT included? It's coming.

It's all about safety, sure, like not being allowed to have a cell phone in the cab of a company vehicle, truck, train, or plane. But what is really going on is a small cadre of executive stockholders who don't trust you whatsoever with a firearm - even tho you might be a veteran and trained in a dozen different automatic weapons.

The focus on what Walmart might or might not sell is short sighted, it's what they don't allow 2.2 million employees to do. That's about 50% of the number of NRA members - add all the other corporate employees equally dispossessed of their rights, and MOST of us are being restricted in the right to keep and bear arms.

It's not just Walmart, it's YOUR employer in most cases.

wow6599
January 10, 2013, 08:42 PM
This is what I posted in another thread, and I believe it -

The irony is, Wal-Mart is the enemy of all unions. Without union support, Obama never gets elected. Does Wal-Mart really want to alienate both sides?

OH_Spartan
January 10, 2013, 09:49 PM
To be honest, I don't mind Walmart being at the table. If their actions are distasteful, we can shop elsewhere. Walmart generates a lot of business in gun-friendly regions. If they tick off too many gun owners it would impact sales. The companies that scare me are the likes of Bank of America (freezing assets...buffet owns lots of preferred bac stock), google (manipulating search engine results to screen pro gun results), etc. we could have an entire thread theorizing how liberal companies could aid and abet the gun control agenda.

gym
January 10, 2013, 09:52 PM
I think they want to keep that revenue stream open, and also not alienate the working man who shops there.
While they can't come out and back any anti administration policy, it's in their best interest to not take a side here.
Many of us would stop shopping there if they came out against guns, and there are a lot of middle class folks who are their client base.
I don't think they want to get involved in taking the presidents side on this one. If they do it would relly be stupid, as a one week boycott of their stores could really hurt them. And that's very easy to organise.

d-dogg
January 10, 2013, 10:00 PM
It is worded differently enough from the reply I received from them to make me believe there were two distinct humans typing those responses. So while there might be an official memo on fielding these questions and comments, I feel a human sent mine as well as the OP's.

BLB68
January 11, 2013, 01:02 AM
Walmart has been requesting more information than necessary for years when buying ammo. Why would this surprise you? Walmart is just a business. But they could throw a lot of weight around if they wanted to.

The last time I bought ammo at Walmart (couple months ago), they didn't ask me for anything. I wonder if it's a change in policy, lack of caring about policy by the clerk or just a difference in locale? Or maybe they don't bother you if it's .22 LR?

gunnutery
January 11, 2013, 02:00 AM
I guess I don't care whether the message was canned or not. It's the message that seems troubling. It sounds like they're willing to cave. ARs are a new introduction to their inventory, cut those out and they just carry on as they had been. They can still make money at the usual bolt guns and pump shotties.

Fishslayer
January 11, 2013, 03:13 AM
The letter says absolutely nothing...:confused:

r1derbike
January 11, 2013, 03:24 AM
Walmart will do whatever is good for its profits. That may include discontinuing items they deem will scare sheep.

The sporting goods dep't. was showing a hunting video on a large screen TV, and one home office employee with his kid told the store manager he wanted that removed, because he didn't want his son to see anything about killing animals for food.

Skribs
January 11, 2013, 01:49 PM
R1derbike, I understand that man's sentiment. Why hunt for food when you can buy meat that is made at the grocery store?

MErl
January 11, 2013, 02:05 PM
anyone else disgusted that Biden's "industry representative" is from a company that generates a small % of revenues through firearms? Where is the rep from Ruger/S&W/Buds.

Walmart could survive just fine if they turned around and sold no more guns. Where are the voices from the companies that would vanish if they did that?

Carne Frio
January 11, 2013, 02:44 PM
We only have one Wally World up here. It usually has
a great assortment of handgun, rifles and shotguns.
They also usually have loads of ammo. If they don't
respect the shooters and hunters, the people here will
put a big boycott on them. Fairbanks has more than
it's share of "fringe" dwellers who would love to put
the smack down on Walmart, deserved or not.

Bobson
January 11, 2013, 02:49 PM
R1derbike, I understand that man's sentiment. Why hunt for food when you can buy meat that is made at the grocery store?
Are you serious? I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

dwo357
January 11, 2013, 02:50 PM
Skribs You are absolutely right. I am tired of being looked at like a criminal when I am up in the hills deer,bear or grouse hunting and I come across social hikers asking why I need a gun. It is very hard to hold my tongue sometimes.

MachIVshooter
January 11, 2013, 04:24 PM
Wal Mart is pro-profit, period. If they stop selling ARs, it's not because of political pressure; It'd be because the bean counters decided the rifles were scaring off more dollars than they were generating.

Wal Mart corporation could just about literally buy the US government, cash. They're not going to bend to th will of Biden.

What kind of message would it send I 500k people sent in cut up SAMs clubs, walmart visa cards etc cards with a note explaining why.

Not one they'd likely listen to. That company generated $120 BILLION in gross profit for 2012.

larryh1108
January 11, 2013, 08:06 PM
Why bash Walmart? I've read that they are the country's largest volume seller of firearms and firearm related product. Does that sound like they are anti anything?

fallingbird
January 11, 2013, 08:41 PM
Maybe, in addition to writing our elected representatives, we should all write to Wal-Mart corporate asking them to carry more shooting sport related sku's.

KTXdm9
January 11, 2013, 10:08 PM
Maybe, in addition to writing our elected representatives, we should all write to Wal-Mart corporate asking them to carry more shooting sport related sku's.
I agree 100%. Let them know we will vote with our wallets if they cave to the gun grabbers.

Bobson
January 12, 2013, 01:46 AM
I agree 100%. Let them know we will vote with our wallets if they cave to the gun grabbers.
I expect they would call that bluff.

Not one they'd likely listen to. That company generated*$120 BILLION*in gross*profit*for 2012
I'm willing to bet that an overall small percentage of that $120 Billion came from firearms and ammo sales combined. As much as I'd like to pretend I would boycott Walmart if they did side with the antis, that simply wouldn't be the case. I'm sure some people actually would vote with their wallets, but it wouldn't be enough to really hurt a hundred-billion-dollar-per-year company.

VA27
January 12, 2013, 02:44 AM
I'm lucky there's a great LGS in my area and WallyWorld here only has 2 of those turntable racks with about a dozen long guns, NO handguns and a 6'X6' ammo display. If they gave up guns tomorrow you'd hardly notice.

22-rimfire
January 12, 2013, 09:51 AM
I am certainily not 18 or 21 and Walmart seldom requests my drivers license when I buy ammo. But I do know they use some discretion in applying their own rules on a store by store and customer by customer. It's the 18 > 21 year old group that have problems at walmart... rifle or pistol etc. I have noticed some associates ask for the license and don't even look at it. Everything is filmed there and they could loose their jobs if they don't apply Walmart's policies on various sale procedures. I have never purchased a firearm at Walmart, but I expect I would be walked to the door with my "box". Dicks and Sportsman Warehouse do the same thing. Not sure about Academy Sports as I seldom go there.

Walmart could certainly give Biden and company information on the practicality of a back ground check with ammo sales if such a thing were purposed. They could even have a scanner there to scan your drivers license or ID.

Pilot
January 12, 2013, 10:02 AM
Another organization that believes the 2nd Amendment is about hunting and "sportsmen".

Remember their reason for existence. Profits, period. Like all other businesses, and legitimately so. They will "strike" a balance to offend the least people they perceive to be Walmart buyers.

MartinS
January 12, 2013, 10:11 AM
"They will strike a balance..." Very well put Pilot. Forget motives and politics, just do what you can to let them know we are heavy on the scales. This is combat, keep it direct and simple.

22-rimfire
January 12, 2013, 10:16 AM
Walmart are certainly not anti-gun. If they were, why would they sell any firearms, ammunition, or accessories? They are a business and as a business their entire reason for existance is to make money by buying products and selling them at a profit consistantly. They are very good at it. You can rationalize and say they provide a public service and so forth, but they are purely a business.

They sometimes (or often?) use their retail "power" to pressure manufacturers in terms of price and so forth. They say that if Walmart carries your widgit for sale, you will be successful unless your manufacturing costs are too high. That is clout! But Walmart does have its significant competitors and Target has made steady gains. You don't see Target selling guns or ammunition. Appreciate Walmart for what it is... a business that tries to provide products for a wide range of consumers and all in one place. I for one shop at Walmart on a regular basis and seldom visit a Target store.

A Walmart gift card is about the only gift card I might actually use without serious fore though.

xXxplosive
January 12, 2013, 10:23 AM
They are about MONEY........and if they make the wrong decision here....their stock will fall as well as their capitalization and loss of customers......that's what they care about....heck, they won't even provide insurance or benefits for their workers....Money, Money, Money.

itchy1
January 12, 2013, 10:31 AM
I would like to know what % of Walmart's revenue comes from EBT cards and other indirect forms of government transfers. I doubt that Walmart would do anything to upset the big government hand that so freely gives $$$$$ to a large segment of their customer base. Their sporting goods sections are relatively small compared to the rest of the megastore. They know who butters their bread.

xXxplosive
January 12, 2013, 10:35 AM
IMO..........the EBT customers are not spending 1K's on rifles and ammunition....they will buy there irrigaurdless.

KTXdm9
January 12, 2013, 10:47 AM
I expect they would call that bluff.


I'm willing to bet that an overall small percentage of that $120 Billion came from firearms and ammo sales combined. As much as I'd like to pretend I would boycott Walmart if they did side with the antis, that simply wouldn't be the case. I'm sure some people actually would vote with their wallets, but it wouldn't be enough to really hurt a hundred-billion-dollar-per-year company.
Who's bluffing? There are plenty of other places to shop. There are lots of pro-gun folks who shop at Wal-Mart. If they take all their business elsewhere, I guarantee it would put a dent in Wal-Mart's profits. They are in the business of maximizing sales, not placating the current administration.

SSN Vet
January 12, 2013, 10:57 AM
Hey.... Here's a great idea.... Let's get one jumbo retailer to drive all the other retailers in a market out of business, and then we can more easily manipulate what is made available to consumers.

gym
January 12, 2013, 11:29 AM
Wallmart is a bit put off, that they never got to meet with Joe, after finally going there to take part in the nonsense. I would think that right now, they are more apt to side with us than the Pres.
He also taxes the crap out of them, so I don't see a love affair with this administration.

leapfrog
January 12, 2013, 11:39 AM
first paragraph about being engaged in national dialogue! I don't think in the meeting with bigmouth biden anybody got to engage, so looks to me like they had the response ready to go so as not to look bad.

gym
January 12, 2013, 03:19 PM
Well the other day I felt like momentum was starting to shift to our side of the debate. I just hope our President isn't so full of himself "now that he commited himself", that he refuses to listen to his own people, and goes totally nuclear on this one. I don't put it past him, although giving it to Joe is a good way to shift the responsibility to someone else, "he's good at doing that".

MachIVshooter
January 12, 2013, 03:34 PM
There are lots of pro-gun folks who shop at Wal-Mart. If they take all their business elsewhere, I guarantee it would put a dent in Wal-Mart's profits.

Like where? Wal Mart is the last national major general retailer that still carries firearms. Target is their largest competitor, and that company is very much in lock-step with the nanny state; They don't sell Tobacco, Booze, guns or anything resembling a weapon outside of kitchen wares. Wal Mart also carries A LOT more US-made products than Target and other box xtores.

the EBT customers are not spending 1K's on rifles and ammunition....they will buy there [SIC] irrigaurdless.

The profit margins on firearms and ammo are very small, and the sales of firearms and ammunition account for a very small percentage of total sales. I'd bet even us "gun people" who shop there likely don't spend more than 5-10% of our total in-store purchases on guns and related items over a given period.

If they take all their business elsewhere, I guarantee it would put a dent in Wal-Mart's profits.

Again, where you gonna go? Target? They're the ambodiment of a softening nation. Even if only grocery, most grocery stores are union and notably more expensive. Out here, the two nearest stores (within 15 miles) are Wal Mart and Safeway. Safeway is union, overpriced and does not carry many other things I need. I'm not going to switch.

heck, they won't even provide insurance or benefits for their workers

That's a flat out lie.

larryh1108
January 12, 2013, 04:02 PM
Bashing Walmart seems to be the PC thing to do yet more and more stores open and they continue to thrive. I guess we have a lot of closet Walmart shoppers.

MudPuppy
January 12, 2013, 05:37 PM
About "form letters"--
1) When you have a huge business, you hire Customer Service agents to respond.
2) You want a correct and consistent message to inquiries
3) You want to make more money in revenue than you spend

It is useful to create a "standard response" that accomplishes this. If you're having tech or billing issues, yeah, you absolutely want that solved, but a "macro" that gets the correct information to you...I don't see the problem in that.

And omg, walmart makes money. Much like everyone here, I told my boss, don't pay me, I'm not here for the money...

What cuts through all of that is one thing that should jump out "In fact, we became a charter member of Mayor Bloomberg’s coalition against illegal guns " I don't like that about them at all.

However, Walmart is big. BIG big. And having them stock rifles and ammo in such a mainstream retailer is good for the gun community, it shows it as "common and normal".

hovercat
January 12, 2013, 05:55 PM
I wonder what Wal-Mart was offered when they met with the Biden folks. Apparently the gov was very insistant, at first Wal-mart did not have anyone to send but found some senior people to go after Biden insisted.

If Wal-Mart gets an exemption from Obamacare, and supports the Biden 'findings', we will know. Whatever was said could not be said on C-span.

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