[sig228]

His comments today about "shooting for Tuesday" and "no silver bullet" were in horrible bad taste.

I wish the NRA ILA would call him on it nationally.

[2ifbyC]

This is what we can expect from gaff-o-matic Biden. The media always gives him a pass for his blunders or they simply say that’s Joe being Joe.

He is the quintessential politician; arrogant, mindless, and hypocritical. When he was standing next to the POTUS and was receiving credit for brokering the fiscal cliff deal, his sheepish grin reminded me of the Scarecrow getting his brain from the Wizard of Oz.

I believe the NRA et al will be handing him his hat after Tuesday.

[Kiln]

Joe constantly slips up. He said out loud that the president is considering using an executive order to introduce gun control.

Then the media comes back later saying that he didn't mean "directly". :confused:

[asia331]

Even Obama realizes that Biden is the crazy uncle in the closet. Internationally the man is viewed as a caricature of U.S. decline.

[BHP FAN]

...so, did Obama send out crazy old uncle Joe to distance himself from gun control, or because he helped draft the original 1994 AWB?

[tomrkba]

They're playing with revolt and think it's appropriate to make light of it.

They must feel very comfortable.

[gym]

Why else give him this job, if he screws it up,"which he will" Obama will blame what happens on good old Joe. OOps he got it wrong again.

[22-rimfire]

The President is all about blame. But he has already said he supported the unsubmitted AWB of 2013.

[Okiegunner]

Biden=Buffoon

Really...Everyone knows this. Thats why B.O. picked him. Biden is the best life insurance policy any Pres. could ever wish for. I will say this for Joe though...He is the penultimate YES man.

At least he gets something right 100% of the time.

[BHP FAN]

He helped draft the original 1994 AWB.

[Justin]

We underestimate Biden at our own risk.

[BHP FAN]

that's right! We could really be regretting these next few days for generations...

[Avenger29]

Well of course, it's all fun and games to them. From stripping you of your rights to throwing you into a gulag, it's just a good ol' time to the commies.

[gbw]

We underestimate Biden at our own risk.

Yes.

And the others. Remember Obamacare was pronounced dead as King Tut more than once. They are motivated and effective and are not to be taken lightly.

[HorseSoldier]

We underestimate Biden at our own risk.


Agreed. Politicians who appear publicly dumb at the national level have still managed to obtain power over the other 99.99% of us, which implies they are smarter and/or more cunning than their media persona would lead us to believe.

[Ms_Dragon]

From an outsiders point of view:

Joe steps up and runs his mouth with the worse case scenario and scares the crap out people with over the top ideas.
Obama then steps in and offers a much softer stance and comes out looking like a damned hero. People are relieved there is an alternative to Crazy Joe's ideas and are more willing to except it.

Classic bad cop - good cop move.
I've seen it time and time again.

[BHP FAN]

I think when all is said, and done, we'll see a California style ban with no sunset, and no maybe grandfathering.All sales either prohibited, or regestered/regulated through an FFL. One of the goals is to keep them out of the hands of the next generation. Holder said they want to handle it like tobbaco, incrementally, until it's no longer cool.

[Avenger29]

think when all is said, and done, we'll see a California style ban with no sunset, and no maybe grandfathering.All sales either prohibited, or regestered/regulated through an FFL

Well heck just look at some of the threads we've had posted on this site lately. We've got people tripping over themselves to "compromise" before the anti's even roll out their "findings" and such.

[BHP FAN]

Ugh! NO ''compromise''! That's how you end up like we are out here in California. Plus for it to be a ''compromise'' the other side has to offer something which the ''antis'' are NOT going to do.

[HorseSoldier]

Well heck just look at some of the threads we've had posted on this site lately. We've got people tripping over themselves to "compromise" before the anti's even roll out their "findings" and such.

And one of the suggestions in those threads was if (and only if) legislation looked likely to pass that people hammer their Congressmen on ensuring sunset clauses were attached to any legislation. Thinking strategically, and looking at plans to counter your enemy and consider contingencies isn't capitulation.

For those who can't wrap their head around that concept and just want to keep shouting "NO COMPROMISE EVER!!!! :fire:" -- that's cool, to each their own. My question, raised in one of those other threads, remains -- so what happens if a new AWB becomes law? Take to the hills and fight it out? Pressure state governments to secede? Emigrate (to I don't know where)? Or just, after all the rhetoric, shut up and take it, as happened in the last AWB? :rolleyes:

I don't think anti-gun legislation has very good prospects as things presently stand, though a copy cat Newtown replay or some other media spectacle in the coming weeks and months could instantly change the equation. Right now keeping up pressures on Congress is essential to maintain the counter-momentum against Obama et al, but if the only answer the pro-2A side of things can offer to this or that proposal that seems modest and reasonable in the eyes of the neutral people in the middle on this issue, is "NO COMPROMISE EVER!!!! :fire:" we may as well just go ahead and turn our guns in now. If that's the only plan we've got, we're probably the second worst enemy of the 2nd Amendment out there just behind the prohibitionists.

We win the fight the same way they want to win the fight -- incrementally. "No compromise" is a much weaker message to be putting out there than things better tuned to coopt the middle and pull weak anti-2A types out of that camp and into the middle or even pro-2A side.

[316SS]

We win the fight the same way they want to win the fight -- incrementally. "No compromise" is a much weaker message to be putting out there than things better tuned to coopt the middle and pull weak anti-2A types out of that camp and into the middle or even pro-2A side.

No compromise has been or will be offered by the gun-grabbers. We stand to gain nothing, so what we are really talking about is how much or how little we are willing to concede. I say nothing.

We win by making gains, not by taking incremental losses. If you are operating from the position that further loss of our rights is inevitable, you cannot win because you have already admitted defeat.

[Baba Louie]

My question, raised in one of those other threads, remains -- so what happens if a new AWB becomes law? Take to the hills and fight it out? Pressure state governments to secede? Emigrate (to I don't know where)? Or just, after all the rhetoric, shut up and take it, as happened in the last AWB?Ultimately, it will be for the courts to decide if any new ban is "Constitutional" or if "Rights" were infringed or negated. So someone will need to be "That Guy".

Which is kinda scary unto itself. Either having the will, strength, money and time to fight it legally, or depending on appointed attornies wearing black robes decide what IS, the "Right" and how far can "They" sell the idea that "Shall Not Be Infringed" means what "They" say this time or the next time or the next time. That is, should "They" even decide to hear the case.

Until then, I suppose, "When SOME guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have SOME guns". The law abiding will do as they always have. Abide the law as best they can. Others... get to become outlaws and potential "test cases" who may or may not stay alive, out of prison or have legal standing to bring forth an argument that please the Courts.

Do NOT ever underestimate Biden, his staff or the POTUS, no matter how strong your feelings for the men or women in office. About half the population feel as they do, apparently. But lets wait and see what they bring to the table. I'm sure we'll all have "a feeling" for whatever Ox of ours they propose to gore once we know something. Until then, all is speculation and planning for the worst.

I'm thinking "Tax" and marriage to the "Affordable Health Care Act" and get that REAL ID program going again but this time with annual mental health analysis coded in there somewhere. No infringement that way. Pure Tax, Regulate and Spend in the name of Governmental safety for the proles... and our children of course, while keeping the 2nd Amendment "People" armed with "safer" less dangerous objects. Why... it's Common Sense. Right? :rolleyes:

[Steel Horse Rider]

If they pass a law that impacts 30 million people and the majority of the impacted people ignore the law then the fallacy of unenforcable laws and the creed of "government of and by the people" will be illustrated plainly for all who care to see.

[MachIVshooter]

The media always gives him a pass for his blunders or they simply say that’s Joe being Joe.

Well, can't really blame him for the words themselves, since they're somebody elses. He's a known plagiarist......

[Girodin]

Joe constantly slips up. He said out loud that the president is considering using an executive order to introduce gun control.

That wasn't a slip up, it was an announcement. The president has since repeated it. He basically said he would do as much in his initial public address he gave after the newtown shooting.

People can bash Biden all they like, some of it may have merit. What is sad though is that when the administration really needs to work with congress and broker deals, like with respect to the fiscal issues, they have to call on Biden to do it because he is so much more capable than Obama himself in working with congress and crafting deals. Its pretty sad actually.

[buck460XVR]

I'm not a fan of Joe Biden. I also am not happy with the proposals he and others have come up with. But I can guarantee you, he does not think that the massacre of 20 innocent children is a joke. He is not using this terrible tragedy to shove his own personal political agenda down our throats. Like ALL of us, he is only looking to find a solution to these inexplicable horrors. As a politician, he is gonna to do what he thinks the majority of his constituents want. This is how he continued to be a Senator for 36 years and became a favorable running mate for Obama. The joke is thinking that America can go on denying there is a problem and it will go away by itself. While all of us here believe there are already enough gun laws and there are other avenues that should be explored before any other restrictions to the 2nd Amendment are enacted, the only way we have to prevent them, is to convince Biden and other lawmakers that the majority of Americans do too. While Obama may be a Lame Duck, Biden and all of congress is looking to keep some kind of political office. They can't do that without the majority of Americans voting for them. If we are not in the majority, we are screwed, and no amount of ridiculing the VP will matter.

[gym]

It's typical Obama style, he hands the ball to someone else so he can deny blame when the stuff hits the fan.
It's basically how he does everything, by having deniability.

[Girodin]

He is not using this terrible tragedy to shove his own personal political agenda down our throats.

Ummm, that is exactly what he is doing. Polling has shown a majority of Americans do not favor aspects of what the administration is pushing.

he is only looking to find a solution to these inexplicable horrors.

I highly doubt that someone as intelligent and experienced as Mr. Biden believes that much if any of what they are pushing will solve or prevent mass shootings.

[rcmodel]

Everythings a joke to Biden.
Because Biden is a joke.

Like telling somebody confined to a wheelchair to Stand Up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2mzbuRgnI4

rc

[Al Thompson]

Good points by all, but sadly OT.