[gunsmith]

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ny--crosby-arrested0306mar06,0,7789825.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire
David Crosby arrested on marijuana, gun charges

By DONNA DE LA CRUZ
Associated Press Writer

March 6, 2004, 2:34 PM EST


NEW YORK -- Rock musician David Crosby, just hours after earning a standing ovation at a New Jersey concert, was arrested early Saturday on marijuana and gun possession charges, police said.

Crosby, 62, was arrested at 1 a.m. at the DoubleTree Suites Hotel in midtown Manhattan with an undisclosed amount of marijuana, a .45-caliber handgun and a knife in his possession, police said.

The Rock and Roll Hall of Famer was arrested shortly after performing Friday night with his band, CPR, at a Wayne, N.J., college. One night earlier, they had played at the B.B. King Blues Club in Manhattan.

The veteran rocker had checked out of the hotel after the Manhattan show, but left behind a piece of luggage, police said. A hotel worker found the luggage Friday and went through it looking for identification and discovered the marijuana, gun and knives and called authorities, police said.

Crosby later called the hotel to say he would be returning to pick up the luggage, and was greeted by police when he came back, investigators said.

Crosby, dressed in black jeans and a T-shirt, was brought to the courtroom shortly before 1 p.m. for his initial appearance. He was charged with criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree, a felony.

He was also charged with illegal possession of a hunting knife and illegal possession of ammunition _ he had three magazines with a total of 26 rounds _ and illegal possession of about one ounce of marijuana, which was found in a wooden box. He faces up to seven years on the gun charge if convicted.

He was released on $3,500 bail and managed to elude reporters waiting outside the Criminal Courts Building in lower Manhattan. Crosby's attorney, David Parker, could not be reached for comment. Crosby's next court date is May 19.

Crosby made a celebrated comeback in the mid-1980s after beating a 20-year drug addiction, detoxing during a stint in a Texas prison for drug possession. He was paroled in August 1986.

In the years prior, Crosby was arrested several times on drug, weapon and other charges.

Crosby is a founding member of both Crosby, Stills and Nash and Young and The Byrds. He is also a two-time inductee to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

CPR _ which features Crosby's son, keyboardist James Raymond, and guitarist Jeff Pevar _ has released three acclaimed albums entitled "CPR," "CPR Live at the Wilthern" and "Just Live Gravity."

Calls to Crosby's management company were not immediately returned.

Crosby was to perform in Glenside, Pa., Saturday night. A woman who answered the telephone at the theater there said the concert was still on.

this is an interview on gun control from his website
BP: In your book you made it clear that you believe in the right of one to bear arms, to protect your property by the use of firearms. Does that mean that you do not believe in gun control? I’m specifically talking about Saturday night specials, assault……

DC: No, I don’t think there is any need for anybody to carry a gun in public. I don’t think there’s any need for anybody to own automatic weapons, I don’t think that – that you are a responsible human being if you leave guns around where kids can get to them. And, I think we have a problem in this Country with the culture surrounding violence. Our culture applauds violence, it wallows in violence, and that’s not good in a country with this many guns around. ‘Cause kids get given the wrong message. They think its all ketchup and the guy gets up again. They know you can shoot the lights out, they don’t realize you can’t shoot the lights back on. So, there’s a real problem there.

I don’t think that the answer is, get rid of all the guns because that’s just nonsense. That’s like saying, okay, we’ll pass a law that gravity doesn’t work anymore and rocks will fly. There are guns in 60 or 70% of the households in this country and nobody is gonna give ‘em up. They’ll tell you, Okay, you do it first. None of them are gonna give those guns up, so don’t be, you know, an ostrich with your head stuck in the sand and say we’ve got to get rid of all the guns – that’s not gonna happen – ever – it’s not going to happen.

Therefore, you’ve got to work on people. The gun really is just a tool, it’s just like a power drill, it magnifies your effort and it’ll magnify your mistake just as fast as it will magnify the effort, but its really an inert piece of metal, it has no innate goodness or badness to it. The problem is in the operator. And, I think if we can’t get rid of the guns and it’s patently obvious that we can’t, that you then have to work on educating the operator.

You have to make it clear to people what the reality is, you know, that this is a disastrously efficient little gizmo and, yes, it will punch holes in the piece of paper down 40 yards away, but it will also scatter your brains all over the wall… and that’s not something that you can do lightly. I think at the same time that you educate people how to use a gun, you have to educate them about the sanctity of life, and I don’t see that goin’ on.

[gunsmith]

what ye sow!
duuuuude!

[chrisher]

I've said it before about this flag-waving phonie and I'll say it again,


"...Give that man a Blue rib....I mean, New Liver....!!!!!!!!"

[Sisco]

There should be a song in there somewhere.

[FPrice]

"I think at the same time that you educate people how to use a gun, you have to educate them about the sanctity of life, and I don’t see that goin’ on."

Maybe you just aren't LOOKING, dude. Come on down to THR and we will show you.

[gunsmith]

I am not sure if he has a felony record,though it is a federal felony to have weed and a gun...betcha he gets away with a wrist slap as he is a rich wealthy liberal

[Redlg155]

a .45-caliber handgun


Idiot.... Everyone knows you smoke dope with a shotgun. :D


Good Shooting
Red

[Standing Wolf]

No, I don’t think there is any need for anybody to carry a gun in public.

Way past dumb.

[12-34hom]

Redlg155 - That comment will go down in internet history......;)

Thanks for making my day.

12-34hom.

[gunsmith]

No, I don’t think there is any need for anybody to carry a gun in public.

"Except for rich liberals like me" he should have added.
Also maybe if he wasn't so stoned he would have remembered
to take the damm weed and gun with him.

I think guns and weed need to be legal,I just hate the double standard for rich libs like him...btw,while I think weed should be legal,I don't think you should partake, especially when packing!

[Mark Tyson]

The gun really is just a tool, it’s just like a power drill, it magnifies your effort and it’ll magnify your mistake just as fast as it will magnify the effort, but its really an inert piece of metal, it has no innate goodness or badness to it.

I don’t think that the answer is, get rid of all the guns because that’s just nonsense. That’s like saying, okay, we’ll pass a law that gravity doesn’t work anymore and rocks will fly. There are guns in 60 or 70% of the households in this country and nobody is gonna give ‘em up.

I think at the same time that you educate people how to use a gun, you have to educate them about the sanctity of life,

So he had a lick of sense in him ... oh well, who knows what's going on upstairs with that guy.

[Mastrogiacomo]

He sounds like he was high on dope when he was giving his interpretation of gun rights and gun control. I haven't heard this much bull since Kerry's last commerical....:barf:

[son of a gun]

That idiot had a serious coke free basing habit in the 1980's I thought drug addicts weren't allow to own guns ? That 10 question form asks if your dependent on drugs I think.:cuss:

[Mastrogiacomo]

Isn't it amazing how Hollywood liberals aren't held to the same high standard as the rest of us? To think, my father almost wasn't allowed to own a gun because he's "too old," yet drug free and law abiding his whole life.... I hear Sean Penn will just be given journalistic credentials when he decides to write about Irag. Little people like us actually have to graduate from college for that, but actors are just given anything. Remember, he's punched out a few reporters too and he was still able to get a gun. Little folks like us can't handle the responsibility I guess. And according to David Crosby, I suppose you can't respect life and be a gun owner either....:rolleyes:

[gburner]

I'm gonna play 'devil's advocate' here for a sec...

Here's a guy that obviously gives less than a flip about the legal restrictions that an intrusive government places on his personal behavior - his drug use - and obviously refuses to have his God given right to keep and bear arms infringed under any circumstances. He is busted due to his own stupidity, granted, but he makes choices and actively lives his life based on those choices and consequences.

Folks on this forum SAY they'll fight the government, SAY they'll stand up for their rights, SAY they'll defend with their very lives their right to keep and bear arms and live their lives without government interference and all the while mock, belittle and make sport of guys like Crosby. Is he stubbon, no doubt. Is he misguided, some might say so, is he stoned...so what if he is. At least he's walking the walk, not just whacking on a keyboard while loading up on Shiner Bock. Flame away.

[chrisher]

Hey!! Crosby!!

Back in the 60's, you wrote and sang anti-war songs. Then, it was pro-drug. When the terrorists struck on 9/11, you sang "America The Beautiful" on a late night talk show.

YOU ARE A FLAG-WAVING PHONY!!! But, you know, whatever it takes to get laid, right?

PS. Is Neil Young (another phony a-hole) going to come to your defence THIS time?:cuss: :fire: :evil:

[Mark Tyson]

Well, the thing is gburner, he says he's against people carrying guns in public and then he goes out and does it himself.

[Preacherman]

Bear in mind that he wasn't CARRYING the gun - he had it in his hotel room. I think his defence on this might be the Federal statute that protects innocent transport of firearms across states that require permits, etc. - he's not a New York resident, and was there only temporarily, so he might be able to build a defence around this.

As for the marijuana - well, he's busted on that, no question: but the amount (1 oz.) is so small that it'll probably be a misdemeanor possession charge.

[WonderNine]

Don't worry, before long we'll all be subjugated as "felons".

[Gewehr98]

It was "planted" on him, and he wasn't actually carrying the briefcase when it had the verboten items. :scrutiny:

[Kodiak AK]

I wonder if Melisa Etheridge is going to tell her kid about daddy?

[son of a gun]

gburner

I'm gonna play 'devil's advocate' here for a sec...

God given right to keep and bear arms infringed

So do children have a "God given right to keep and bear arms" Certainly you wouldn't suggest children have the full mental capacity needed to be given such an awesome responsibility at 2 years old.

I would hope you would deny people with a non developed or diminished mental capacity the. "God given right to keep and bear arms" to protect them selves and the rest of society, Crosby's mental capacity is diminished while intoxicated on Marijuana and from his other diagnosed psychiatric disorders used as a defense in his cocaine possession prosecutions and convictions.

[gburner]

The right of indvidual self defense is a human right. The right to keep and bear arms assists in that endeavour and is guaranteed without infringement by our Constitution. No distinction is made on the basis of age, race, creed, gender, wealth, status, physical or mental infirmity. See Constitution, US,
Second Amendment.


You allege that mental capacity is diminished with marijuana use and that Crosby used his 'psychiatric disorders' in his defense for an earlier bust.
Please provide suitable documentation for each allegation.

BTW...the issue at hand is the possession of marijuana, a handgun, a hunting knife and ammo, not the use of any or all of them. Also, I believe that firearm possession is restricted from persons who have been diagnosed with a Major mental illness.

[son of a gun]

Go look at my posts on page 2

[Harold Mayo]

A .45, a hunting knife, and an ounce of pot...? Sounds like half the people I know...:uhoh:

[J Jones]

At least he got the right caliber. :D

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

When he was arrested and served time as a guest of the State of Texas it was because he had a 1911 and drugs left behind in his travel bag in his dressing room at a gig.

Some folks just don't learn. I always thought it was a waste to give him that new liver.

Regards,
Rabbit.

[Andrew Rothman]

I guess you do have to at least acknowledge that he is consistent.

And nuts. We all know this definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Hmmmm.....

[HunterGatherer]

Folks on this forum SAY they'll fight the government, SAY they'll stand up for their rights, SAY they'll defend with their very lives their right to keep and bear arms and live their lives without government interference and all the while mock, belittle and make sport of guys like Crosby. Is he stubbon, no doubt. Is he misguided, some might say so, is he stoned...so what if he is. At least he's walking the walk, not just whacking on a keyboard while loading up on Shiner Bock. Flame away.I can't speak for others here, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if a great many of do more than "SAY" the above.

Speaking only for myself:

1) Fight against government intrusion into our human rights... hmmm... let's see? I'm politically active (have even held elected office), I am a local (and to a lesser degree statewide) activist, so I'll give myself a CHECK in that box. :rolleyes:

2) Stand up for rights? See above. Oh, and I also volunteer 2-300 hours a year as an N.R.A. Instructor, Certified N.R.A. Range Safety Officer, Friends of N.R.A. committeeman, WA Hunter Ed. Instructor, American Legion Officer... ad nauseam

CHECK.

3) Defend it with my very life? Lessee? Oh yeah, I remember now. On my 17th birthday I swore an oath on my sacred honor to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and among other things, to defend it from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

CHECKEROO!


I guess the question is whether or not I have ever "walked the walk" of being an anti-American, pro-communist dictator(s) scumbag dope-addict, who has self-righteously destroyed his own internal organs (ultimately stealing a perfectly good liver out from under some poor unfortunate soul - on a waiting list - that probably never did much in the Bacchanalian Amoral Orgy of Death department), all while leaving pistols and illegal drugs around, and spouting "For me, but not for thee unenlightened peasants!!!"


Pheewww! Guess I dodged a bullet on that one.


:rolleyes: :scrutiny: :uhoh: :barf:

[Duckdawg]

What the heck is an Illegal Hunting Knife??? You mean there are places in the USA where you can't carry a hunting knife? How the heck can you gut your deer, rabbit or squirrel? Huh?

That makes no sense. Oh, wait, its New York :rolleyes:

[gunsmith]

Marijuana may be a benign drug. It is an illegal drug
and as far as I know a federal felony. (to have both weed and gun that is)

The veteran rocker had checked out of the hotel after the Manhattan show, but left behind a piece of luggage, police said. A hotel worker found the luggage Friday and went through it looking for identification and discovered the marijuana, gun and knives and called authorities, police said.

So it looks like he was checked out of the hotel and the bag wasn't in his room anymore,IANAL but it looks like a good enough bust to me.

He was also charged with illegal possession of a hunting knife and illegal possession of ammunition _ he had three magazines with a total of 26 rounds _ and illegal possession of about one ounce of marijuana, which was found in a wooden box. He faces up to seven years on the gun charge if convicted.

Probably illegal for junkies to own hunting knives and hollow point ammo (just guessing) it is NYC not much hunting there unless you prefer small game like rats
detoxing during a stint in a Texas prison for drug possession
detoxing during a stint in a Texas prison for drug possession
HE is a dang felon! how on earth did he get a gun?
aren't there laws against that?
He is a liberal,felon,junkie,in possesion of illegal drugs and firearms and he wanted Dean for pres, is against peons like you owning AR15's and has alot of wealth and influence to use against your rights while running around stoned out of his mind leaving his gun and weed in a dang
hotel lobby.
If you did that you would get an excessive bail,Crosby won't even spend the night in jail and will beat the charges because the liberal NY justice system has no problems with rich wealthy liberal junkies violating the law, only has a problem with poor hispanic old grocery store clerks defending their lives
"Teach Your Children Well"

[idd]

I guess the question is whether or not I have ever "walked the walk" of being an anti-American, pro-communist dictator(s) scumbag dope-addict, who has self-righteously destroyed his own internal organs

First, I don't really think that that is the question.

Second, Crosby was an anti-American pro-communist? Why? Because he sang against the Vietnam War? By than standard, so was Johnny Cash (who could probably hold his own with Crosby in the substance abuse department).

Doesn't matter. In a truly free society Crosby would have every right to peacefully carry in his luggage a knife, handgun, ammo, or weed without being jammed up by the 5-0. Who here hasn't had a brainfart and walked off without something important at least once in his life? Since he did walk off without his firearm, he deserves a good slap of reality. A misdemeanor conviction, fine, and a short probation would probably fit the crime. A felony conviction and denial of freedom in the graybar hotel would not.

In the coming days, advocates of the war on drugs will link arms with advocates of a war on guns, quiver in righteous indignation, and in a spirit of zero tolerance, will demand Crosby's head on a plate. After all, society must send a message "for the children..."

We've turned into a country of snitches and statists where no one is allowed to mind his own business. That's nothing to cheer.

[idd]

[Marijuana] is an illegal drug and as far as I know a federal felony.

Simple possession of hemp is not a felony under federal law.

detoxing during a stint in a Texas prison for drug possession HE is a dang felon! how on earth did he get a gun?

Strike two.
Crosby was put into the Texas State Penitentiary for a one year until his conviction was overturned on appeal.
http://www.mugshots.net/david_crosby/

[J Jones]

I guess I'll go with idd on this. Whatever the man's conviction status, felon or otherwise, the only objection I have to him is the idea that he seems to have that some guns are "bad" yet others are good, all from a man who believes that a gun is merely a tool. One could infer that he believes that he is a special class and the objections he voiced don't apply to him.

One could point out that, AFAIK, he's non-violent and his crimes were those of having and using an illegal substance. He has never sold this substance, only used it himself, and certainly not to his benefit (though alcohol, a legal drug, is surely responsible for his liver damage), so who did he really hurt and why does he give up his right to self-defense?

[son of a gun]

http://www.dragonsfire.com/images/dragonfire_animated.gif

[gunsmith]

Sorry,I forgot to edit post...what I meant was it is a federal offense to posses both a firearm and an illegal drug, i.e weed,hemp,whatever.
I hate that weed is illegal,even though I think it is a stupid drug and am glad I don't smoke it any more.

Sure, in an idea world we would all be able to leave our .45's in the same bag as our ganja,weed,whatever- and dumb hotel clerks would mind their own business.

But you know,I sure aint crying any tears for friggin Crosby.
He was content to raise money for all kinds of liberal nazis determined to strip all minorities of their 2nd amendment rights.
He has no problem with rich white liberals carrying .45's but let some
poor old black guy in Harlem shoot a mugger trying to steal his social security check (true story btw) never!

I only hope he has to sleep in the same bed he helped perpetuate,but I doubt it.
I would bet he is out on bail and still hates Bush,the NRA, the GOA
and wants Kerry AWB for president

[HunterGatherer]

why does he give up his right to self-defense?I guess the point of Mr. Crosby's situation is too hard for people to grasp.

The point is why does a drug-addled bozo - who doesn't think that "there is any need for anybody to carry a gun in public" - get a pass from people like you? He actively (through the commie rat organizations that he supports/raises money for/etc.) works to deny our right to defend ourselves. *** part of that don't you get?

First, that is in fact the question.

Second, not simply because he "sang against the Vietnam War", but rather because he sings the praises of the likes of Uncle Ho, Chairman Mao, Tio Fidel, and other commie rats.Doesn't matter. In a truly free society Crosby would have every right to peacefully carry in his luggage a knife, handgun, ammo, or weed without being jammed up by the 5-0. Who here hasn't had a brainfart and walked off without something important at least once in his life? That's where you and your ilk get it wrong every time. It does matter. Every time Crosby opens his yap to speak out politically, he speaks in favor of those who take away our RKBA. Never once have I heard of him supporting any candidate/cause to the contrary.

Now that a leftist elitist has found himself the victim of the gun grabbers that he advocates for/gives money to/fundraises for, fellow leftists like yourself come out of the woodwork to say that those laws need not apply to an elitist.

Why am I never surprised? :rolleyes: We've turned into a country of snitches and statists where no one is allowed to mind his own business. That's nothing to cheer. I'm sure you refer to statists like Mr. Crosby. DC: No, I don’t think there is any need for anybody to carry a gun in public. I don’t think there’s any need for anybody to own automatic weapons, I don’t think that – that you are a responsible human being if you leave guns around where kids can get to them. And, I think we have a problem in this Country with the culture surrounding violence. Our culture applauds violence, it wallows in violence, and that’s not good in a country with this many guns around. ‘Cause kids get given the wrong message. They think its all ketchup and the guy gets up again. They know you can shoot the lights out, they don’t realize you can’t shoot the lights back on. So, there’s a real problem there.But he gets a pass on his leftist statist beliefs, because he is, if nothing else, doing it for the "kids". Awwww... isn't that sweet? :barf:

As Standing Wolf so often (and so correctly) says: Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites.

[son of a gun]

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/music/david-crosby/david-crosby-mugshot.jpg


28 Mar 1982 David Crosby arrested for quaalude possession, driving under the influence of cocaine, and carrying a concealed .45 pistol.
Dec 1985 Sentenced to Texas State Prison in Huntsville for possession of cocaine and weapons violations.
Aug 1986 Released from prison.

The People v. David Crosby

Folkie David Crosby and buddy Carl Gottlieb tell us in the 1988 book about Crosby’s continuing battle against drug addiction, Long Time Gone. The story is sad, and although many people know that Crosby has extensively battled his addictions, seeing in black and white the sheer magnitude of the problems they caused is horrifying.
David Crosby is a sick man.

His co-authored autobiography freely admits this illness. Crosby goes so far as to include extremely unflattering medical records and admits to breaking many more laws than conceived by the most vigilant of law enforcement officers. Weapons and drug charges were Crosby’s typical offenses, although he details breaking so many other laws that one imagines a lifetime of incarceration had the attorneys doubtlessly assured him that he was beyond arrest.
http://www.consumerhelpweb.com/books/bcrosby.htm

[The_Antibubba]

The pot wouldn't be a problem, and as a liberal, American celeb, they'd probably fine him heavily, confiscate it, and send him home.

But knives!!! Holy cow, doesn't he know what the Kanadians think of knives??:uhoh: :what:

Gives me chills, just thinking about it. :neener:

[Darrin]

A .45, a hunting knife, and an ounce of pot...? Sounds like half the people I know... Yeah, I know folks like that too...

[jsalcedo]

Hey, I resent the tone of this thread.

I am also battling an addiction to .45's

[gburner]

Son of a Gun,

I'm not advocating or justifying anything, foolish or otherwise. I cleary stated at the beginning of my post that I was playing DEVIL's ADVOCATE
in order to get folks to look at all sides of this issue.

If anyone is giving the anti's ammo it's you with your red highlighted knee jerk, paranoid reaction.

Try the decaf and remember that this is a discussion board. I was attempting to engage in a discussion based on how we as a group percieve and relate to the recent buffoonery of another celebrity caught in gun related legal entanglements. Geez, some people. :rolleyes:

PS: Gunsmith, Graham Nash wrote 'Teach Your Children'.

[pax]

Hey everyone,

Please remember: Spamming, trolling, flaming, and personal attacks are prohibited. You can disagree with other members, even vehemently, but it must be done in a well-mannered form. Attack the argument, not the arguer.

Tone it down a bit, please.

pax

Personalize your sympathies; depersonalize your antipathies. -- W. R. Inge

[J Jones]

I guess the point of Mr. Crosby's situation is too hard for people to grasp.

The point is why does a drug-addled bozo - who doesn't think that "there is any need for anybody to carry a gun in public" - get a pass from people like you? He actively (through the commie rat organizations that he supports/raises money for/etc.) works to deny our right to defend ourselves. *** part of that don't you get?

First, that is in fact the question.

Second, not simply because he "sang against the Vietnam War", but rather because he sings the praises of the likes of Uncle Ho, Chairman Mao, Tio Fidel, and other commie rats.

What exactly are "people like you"?

Do you mean people who believe a man committing a "crime" that only hurts himself should retain their second (and any other amendment) amendment rights?

I don't care for the man's hypocrisy or politics, but neither of those are enough to deny him his right to means of defense (nor are "crimes" against his own body). You are hypocritical in your own right, thinking that a man with whom you disagree is entitled to less than his full measure of the constitution.

He gets a pass from "people like me" because there isn't a single VALID law I can think of that he violated. You might make a case for treason, but let him be charged first.

[idd]

The point is why does a drug-addled bozo - who doesn't think that "there is any need for anybody to carry a gun in public" - get a pass from people like you?

He doesn't "get a pass" from me. I pointed out his hypocrisy and said he should face criminal charges for walking off without his firearm.

David Crosby: "My idea of a really good benefit would be to do something for Médecins Sans Frontières or Relief or somebody that’s trying to feed or give medical help to people who are dying. Or to do stuff for children, which is what Nash and I both really love to do. Now, we do other ones, we do, we’re gonna one this fall for a rape crisis center ‘cause that’s a really good thing to do.

BP: Is that the Grace Foundation?

DC: Yes."

Raising money for charity work, medical care for sick and dying people, rape crisis centers, autistic boy scouts, the Dream Foundation (which grants wishes to terminally ill adults). What a commie rat this guy is!

but rather because he sings the praises of the likes of Uncle Ho, Chairman Mao, Tio Fidel, and other commie rats.

Cite, please.

fellow leftists like yourself come out of the woodwork to say that those laws need not apply to an elitist.

First, HunterGather, your ad hominem is not appreciated. (It's a sign of intellectual laziness.)
Second, I never said "that those laws need not apply to an elitist." (I am not sure how you managed to miscomprehend my words so terribly.)

The victory dance here over Crosby's bust is reminiscent of the liberals’ glee over the revelation of Rush Limbaugh’s drug addiction and possible indictment. "Oh boy oh boy, that guy whose politics and personality I don't like is in trouble and I'm loving it!" It's called schadenfreude.

My opposition to the war on drugs and the war on guns is principled, not selective. The laws should be changed so that neither leftwing rock singers nor rightwing talkshow hosts not bodega owners nor any adult should ever fear an arrest for possessing a handgun or "controlled substances."

[rick_reno]

He's got two possible defense strategies

1. He argues he's been too much spending time with Ted Nugent.
2. He states that he's been looking for a new liver and the gun/knives are tools to help him harvest one.

[Don Gwinn]

ONE more personal post and this one goes away.

[cratz2]

Since this thread has become so 'heavy', thought I'd lighten it up a little bit... :p

Crosby made a celebrated comeback in the mid-1980s after beating a 20-year drug addiction, detoxing during a stint... I think it was Dennis Leary that said, 'back in the seventies, detox meant you quit doing coke and went down to a bottle a day of Jack... you could still have all the beer and pot you wanted!':D

[son of a gun]

This says it all


His co-authored autobiography freely admits to breaking many more laws than conceived by the most vigilant of law enforcement officers. Weapons and drug charges were Crosby’s typical offenses, although he details breaking so many other laws that one imagines a lifetime of incarceration . http://www.consumerhelpweb.com/books/bcrosby.htm



May be the people who support him can convince him to run for president of the NRA !

[J Jones]

Or Smith & Wesson. :D

[HunterGatherer]

Raising money for charity work, medical care for sick and dying people, rape crisis centers, autistic boy scouts, the Dream Foundation (which grants wishes to terminally ill adults). What a commie rat this guy is! Now, we do other ones, we do,(8/7/00, 6 p.m. ET) - It seems Al Gore has the beat Americans want from their government--from rock musicians, anyway. A host of artists--including Eagles Don Henley, Timothy B. Schmit, and Glenn Frey, as well as Jimmy Buffett, Lenny Kravitz, Macy Gray, Sheryl Crow, Bette Midler, Crosby*, Stills & Nash, and Jon Bon Jovi-- have signed on to perform at a New York fundraiser for the Vice President. The concert, scheduled for September 14 at Radio City Music Hall, will raise money for the Democratic National Committee and Gore's bid for the presidency.

Over the years, Henley has become something of a political activist, speaking out for various causes and about issues in our country that he feels need to be addressed. He told LAUNCH what he thinks about the state of politics today. "The world could use a lot of improvement," said Henley. "You know, it's funny--we don't have the Russians to kick around anymore, so the Cold War has become more insidious and more inward. The Cold War is in Washington now: It's partisan politics, Republicans and Democrats fighting like petty schoolboys."

-- Sue Falco, New York Got news tips, comments, or questions? Send them to newstips@launch.com.Just one Demonrat fundraiser of hundreds over the decades. But as I said earlier, you, and other defenders of Mr. Cosby will gloss over this.My opposition to the war on drugs and the war on guns is principled, not selective. The laws should be changed so that neither leftwing rock singers nor rightwing talkshow hosts not bodega owners nor any adult should ever fear an arrest for possessing a handgun or "controlled substances."I'm trying to remember what Rush Limbaugh has been arrested for... Oh! That's right! NOTHING!


*For those who might "miss" it.

[HunterGatherer]

What exactly are "people like you"?I guess I would start by describing them as people who think that because they don't believe in a particular law or laws, that somehow they don't exist. People who think that a person that spent his entire (alleged) adulthood working for the very people who created those laws, gets to walk away from the consequences of said laws unscathed.

As soon as Mr. Crosby agrees to do a fundraiser or three for Chucky "AWB" Schumer, and ******* "Burnin' Down Yo' House" Klinton, you'll get your wish.


It will be as though Mr. Crosby had never been arrested. :fire:

[J Jones]

People who think that a person that spent his entire (alleged) adulthood working for the very people who created those laws, gets to walk away from the consequences of said laws unscathed.

Pardon me if I'm wrong, but Nixon pretty much started the WOD and Reagan escalated it and Bush I topped it off with a "Drug Czar," IIRC; Clinton merely continued what he perceived to be a good public relations ploy, which, coincidentally, deflected scrutiny from his earlier "inhalations." Do you mean to say Crosby is really a Republican agitator?

Crosby, or any other American, whatever their politics, SHOULD get to walk away from the consequences of stupid, harmful laws designed as a sop to the police and feeble-minded busybody voters. The only wrong I can see here is that Crosby will likely get preferential treatment, when all those others so accused should walk too.

There are plenty of unenforced, patently silly laws still on the books, in addition to many of questionable ethical or moral principle. I suppose that we would still be following Jim Crow laws if no one disobeyed them to make a point.

[gburner]

My point made...

The same folks who castigate folks like Crosby and his stand on substances are the same who SAY they would take the same stand on weapons...who's the pot here and who's the kettle?

[son of a gun]

If only the guns could talk, did DC shoot, threaten, rob or kill someone ?
After his first prison term for weapons charges, why did he feel it's imperative to carry another gun ? It's not like he couldn't get an armed bodyguard who might even guard him for free. Do you think he's mentally ill and that's why?

[gburner]

Your taxes pay for you to have an armed bodyguard called the local police...
are you satisfied with that?
Neither personal wealth nor alleged criminal behavior/background are valid reasons to infringe 2A.

[thumbtack]

who's the pot here and who's the kettle?

I will be the pot as long as Crosby is not around.

[son of a gun]

Your taxes pay for you to have an armed bodyguard called the local police...Neither personal wealth nor alleged criminal behavior/background are valid reasons to infringe 2A.


You have to ask are people that lose and misplace there pistols really up to the responsability it demands to carry ?

I would say the danger in DC's case of being caught as a repeat weapons offender and getting a 20 year sentence at Riker's Island would by far out weigh the dangers of not carrying an illegal gun. Especially when your in the cell bent over or on your knee's with your new "Daddy"

Since I was able to get a ccw legally and don't break laws I don't think I'm asking to much for others to do the same.

I don't under stand why you still advocate that criminals deserve 2nd amendmant rights, that the US judicial system revokes from Felons.
DC's has got to be the worst poster child to advertise your crusade for criminal rights.
Would you allow these criminals to carry guns while in Prison ?:confused:

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DC co-authored autobiography freely admits to breaking many more laws than conceived by the most vigilant of law enforcement officers. Weapons and drug charges were Crosby’s typical offenses, although he details breaking so many other laws that one imagines a lifetime of incarceration . http://www.consumerhelpweb.com/books/bcrosby.htm
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[idd]

HunterGather, get a hold of yourself! Your tone makes you sound like one of those shrill regulars over at DemocraticUnderground.com.

Just one Demonrat fundraiser of hundreds over the decades. But as I said earlier, you, and other defenders of Mr. Cosby [sic] will gloss over this.

Let me 'splain it in terms so as you can understand it. David Crosby is not above the law, he should be treated the same as any of us non-celebrities, and he does not get a pass from me.

Is this part clear?

Having said that, I would like to see us live in a country where it is not an offense to possess a handgun, or an ounce of weed, or a knife.

he sings the praises of the likes of Uncle Ho, Chairman Mao, Tio Fidel...

We still await any evidence for this. (Unless you were just making it up...)

[J Jones]

I don't under stand why you still advocate that criminals deserve 2nd amendmant rights, that the US judicial system revokes from Felons.

Drug possession doesn't rate as a crime for me, any more than alcohol or tobacco possession. When he commits a real crime, then we can reconsider his 2nd amendment rights. I also question whether non-violent offenders should permanently be denied their full civil rights.

[son of a gun]

J Jones

Drug possession doesn't rate as a crime for me, any more than alcohol or tobacco possession. When he commits a real crime, then we can reconsider his 2nd amendment rights. I also question whether non-violent offenders should permanently be denied their full civil rights.



You think people on coke, Meth, PCP or Acid should be allowed to Pack ?


What about previous weapons charges and driving intoxicated on Cocaine ?

Crosby said
28 Mar 1982 David Crosby arrested for quaalude possession, driving under the influence of cocaine, and carrying a concealed .45 pistol. Dec 1985 Sentenced to Texas State Prison in Huntsville for possession of cocaine and weapons violations.
Aug 1986 Released from prison.
http://www.consumerhelpweb.com/books/bcrosby.htm

What about people who admit to being Mentally ill ?


Crosby said
The story is sad, and although many people know that Crosby has extensively battled his addictions, seeing in black and white the sheer magnitude of the problems they caused is horrifying. David Crosby is a sick man.
http://www.consumerhelpweb.com/books/bcrosby.htm

[HunterGatherer]

We still await any evidence for this. (Unless you were just making it up...)The second half of the 1960s, and the entirety of the 1970s should suffice for anyone who was there and paying attention to Mr. Crosby's political rhetoric. If that still isn't enough, there is also 9 tenths of the 1980s, of course much of the 1980s was spent in a booze/drug coma (of a sort) for Mr. Crosby, and therefore he didn't spout quite as much marxist garbage at that time.

[J Jones]

You think people on coke, Meth, PCP or Acid should be allowed to Pack ?

No more than when under the influence of alcohol. Next.

What about... driving intoxicated on Cocaine ?

DUI is a misdemeanor, AFAIK. It certainly shouldn't be a felony unless it contributes to death, injury or felony level property destruction.

What about previous weapons charges?

I don't know TX law, but most states rate possession of a concealed firearm as a misdemeanor (anything more seems a bit much), but I'm sure this has changed since this was before TX had CCW. If his firearm possession charges stem from also possessing controlled substances, then I consider these contrived, particularly if possessing alcohol with a firearm wouldn't carry the same penalty.

All in all, no one has ever accused Crosby of violence, to my knowledge, nor have they accused him of misusing his weapon. He is certainly negligent about keeping track of it, though. Hence, I'm not seeing the problem, unless we're going to be sticklers for violating bogus laws that have no victims, at least none other than Crosby and his internal organs.

What about people who admit to being Mentally ill ?

It need not be permanent. If the state was worried about this, then he should've been commited to psychiatic care.

[HunterGatherer]

What exactly are "people like you"?I forgot to add to the definition those who base their arguments on what couldawouldashouldabeen.

[son of a gun]

iddWe still await any evidence for this. (Unless you were just making it up...)
Stand and Be Counted: Making Music, Making History: The Dramatic Story of the Artists and Causes That Changed America
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0062515748/ref=ase_absolutsearch05/104-5619313-4782335?v=glance&s=books
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0062515748.01._PE_PI_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

idd,Let me 'splain it in terms so as you can understand it. David Crosby is not above the law he should be treated the same as any of us non-celebrities, and he does not get a pass from me.

His Attorneys sure think he's "ABOVE THE LAW" and there the experts when it comes to the law.

His co-authored autobiography freely admits this illness. Crosby goes so far as to include extremely unflattering medical records and admits to breaking many more laws than conceived by the most vigilant of law enforcement officers. Weapons and drug charges were Crosby’s typical offenses, although he details breaking so many other laws that one imagines a lifetime of incarceration had
the attorneys doubtlessly assured him that he was beyond arrest.
http://www.consumerhelpweb.com/books/bcrosby.htm

[HunterGatherer]

Pardon me if I'm wrong, but Nixon pretty much started the WOD and Reagan escalated it and Bush I topped it off with a "Drug Czar," IIRC; Clinton merely continued what he perceived to be a good public relations ploy, which, coincidentally, deflected scrutiny from his earlier "inhalations." Do you mean to say Crosby is really a Republican agitator?As far as I know, THR is a gun board. Personally I couldn't care less about, or frankly for, those who do drugs, or for those who find drugs to be an important part of their lives.

I was refering (as you well know) to Mr. Crosby's lifelong "agitation" for left-wing gungrabbers.

[idd]

The second half of the 1960s, and the entirety of the 1970s should suffice for anyone who was there and paying attention

I wasn't there, and I really haven't paid much attention to David Crosby, but I do read history, and but if there is a record of his singing the praises of Ho, Mao or Castro, then I'd like to see it. Admit it: you made up the bit about Crosby singing "the praises of the likes of Uncle Ho, Chairman Mao, Tio Fidel..." It's just an accusation without evidence that you plucked out of thin air.

OK, so DC did fundraisers for Al Gore. Al Gore is not Fidel Castro, and it doesn't give you license to libel.

What about previous weapons charges

Getting charged with a crime does not and should not affect your RKBA. A final conviction is important, not an arrest, a charge or a conviction that was vacated. As was related earleir in the hread, his conviction in Texas was overturned on appeal.

His Attorneys sure think he's "ABOVE THE LAW" and there [sic] the experts when it comes to the law.

You really think that his attorneys made or will make that argument before the court? "You Honor, my client Mr. Crosby is above the law, and that's why he had some weed and weapons."

Weapons and drug charges were Crosby’s typical offenses, although he details breaking so many other laws that one imagines a lifetime of incarceration had the attorneys doubtlessly assured him that he was beyond arrest.

First, the sentence itself doesn't make sense. Second, notice the use of the subjunctive "had." Third, we really do not know what kind of legal advice Crosby's attorneys gave their client.

[J Jones]

As far as I know, THR is a gun board.

Civil rights and guns. We do seem to be in the wrong section.

[gburner]

The issue here folks, is not David Crosby, nor is it weapons or drug possession. The issue is how long Americans are going to tolerate an ever increasingly intrusive government interfering unconstitutionally in our private lives.

There is NO constitutional basis for infringements on firearm possession nor is there a constitutional basis for the governent having 'legal' control over what we can or can't possess; can or cannot put in our bodies.

[son of a gun]

http://www.drpbody.com/images/justsayno.gif

http://home.earthlink.net/~dangerousdude/AWARD.jpg


http://home.earthlink.net/~dangerousdude/Jail.jpg

[harpethriver]

What are the chances DC's atty. knows how to say "Your Honor, motion to dismiss as this was an illegal search and seizure". I'm not taking sides, and we don't know all the facts, I am just pointing out what seems to be the logical next step. Remember the Warren Zevon song "Lawyers, guns and money"?

[son of a gun]

gburner
The issue here folks, is not David Crosby, nor is it weapons or drug possession. The issue is how long Americans are going to tolerate an ever increasingly intrusive government interfering unconstitutionally in our private lives.


Sorry but your wrong the article was posted to point out David Crosby was arrested for possesing an unregistered gun and 1 ounce of dope, if it was anything other than that the moderator woud have moved it to Legal and Political forum. :neener:

[son of a gun]

What are the chances DC's atty. knows how to say "Your Honor, motion to dismiss as this was an illegal search and seizure". I'm not taking sides, and we don't know all the facts, I am just pointing out what seems to be the logical next step. Remember the Warren Zevon song "Lawyers, guns and money"?

finger prints and him on the security camera carrying the suitcase. I bet we can watch it on court tv, if Dave doesn't OD and die before the trial.

[J Jones]

Who's Jane "Hanio" Fonda? ;)

[harpethriver]

SOG-you miss the point. I'm betting that if his lawyer can convince a judge that DC's suitcase should not have been opened in the 1st place, then it won't matter if his prints are on it and his pics are on the security cam. I was sort of being facetious when I made this point anyway-who knows what will happen-especially since we don't know what really happened to begin with. But isn't it great to have all this idle time on our hands and be armchair attorneys and judges here in Murrica. Is this a great country or what?

[son of a gun]

I think that kind of defense might have flew before 9/11, but with bombs in bags.........

[HunterGatherer]

I wasn't there, and I really haven't paid much attention to David Crosby, but I do read history, and but if there is a record of his singing the praises of Ho, Mao or Castro, then I'd like to see it. Admit it: you made up the bit about Crosby singing "the praises of the likes of Uncle Ho, Chairman Mao, Tio Fidel..." It's just an accusation without evidence that you plucked out of thin air. Well I was there sport. And yet you feel welcome to call me a liar when it comes to someone you admit paying little attention to. Why am I not surprised?

[HunterGatherer]

idd, I wanted to add a big congratulations on your being a student of history. Have you reached the part about the (barely) failed marxist revolution that was attempted here in the U.S. in the '60s and 70's?

Mr. Crosby, Mr. Stills, Mr. Nash, and other folks like Hanoi Jane Fonda were key players on the artistic side of the revolution. I have a suspicion that at least some of your school teachers were bit players as well. :rolleyes:

[son of a gun]

Well I was there sport. And yet you feel welcome to call me a liar when it comes to someone you admit paying little attention to. Why am I not surprised?

It's all chronicled in his book !! If the shoe fits wear it LIAR:neener:

Those doctors weren't lying when they said dope affects your memory. :neener:


Stand and Be Counted: Making Music, Making History: The Dramatic Story of the Artists and Causes That Changed America
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0062515748/ref=ase_absolutsearch05/104-5619313-4782335?v=glance&s=books
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0062515748.01._PE_PI_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg


JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS !!

[gburner]

And, as usual, folks with a agenda hijack yet another thread with name calling and finger pointing rather than intellegently discussing the larger issues contained within the posted story. Too much static to signal..
hope the mods turn this one off.

[son of a gun]

DC said on his website

"DC: No, I don’t think there is any need for anybody to carry a gun in public. I don’t think there’s any need for anybody to own automatic weapons, I don’t think that – that you are a responsible human being if you leave guns around where kids can get to them. "

What about guns and drugs left at public hotels ??


http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/music/david-crosby/david-crosby-mugshot.jpg


lOCK UP THIS REPEAT OFFENDER AND THROW AWAY THE KEY, 3 STRIKES AND YOUR OUT.

[J Jones]

:rolleyes:


Stick a fork in me, because I'm done.

[gunsmith]

like other celebs,DC will suffer no consequences for his law breaking.
If you or I did the same thing we would get 10 years!

[HunterGatherer]

And, as usual, folks with a agenda hijack yet another thread with name calling and finger pointing rather than intellegently discussing the larger issues contained within the posted story.You mean like this attempted hijack?Is he stubbon, no doubt. Is he misguided, some might say so, is he stoned...so what if he is. At least he's walking the walk, not just whacking on a keyboard while loading up on Shiner Bock. Flame away.I thought you were asking a question here: "is he stoned...so what if he is." Granted there is no question mark there, but it really does sound like a question. The obvious answer to that question is that stoned, misguided, multiple conviction losers like Mr. Crosby should expect that society doesn't want losers like himself leaving their dope and guns unattended. If he was a responsible person, and he simply made a mistake, I could see a little bit of sense in defending him. But the fact of the matter is that he isn't a responsible person. He has clearly demonstrated that time and time again. Is that really so hard to understand?

Now if Mr. Crosby ever wants to demonstrate to the world that he is anything other than an accident waiting to happen, then I will be happy to revisit my position vis-a-vis Mr. Crosby. For now, my dearest wish is for him to rot in jail.

[gburner]

I'll ask one more time, because I think that I may be dealing with somewhat intellegent (though decidedly reactionary) people here...

What violent act with a firearm has Mr. Crosby ever been convicted of which would lead you to believe that he is a danger to society?

On what constitutional basis do you justify your desire that he rot in jail?

Where is your documentation that Mr. Crosby suffers from a serious mental illness?...I'll take a DSM 5 diagnosis from a medical doctor for $100, Alex.
BTW...if he is the twisted, mentally ill person that you suggest he is, does it make your day happier to mock and lampoon him? Why not go down to the local mental health clinic and play 'pull my finger' games with the patients?

My efforts at playing 'devils advocate' were not geared toward hijacking the thread, rather to encourage everyone to intellegently discuss the bigger picture instead of lampooning the most recent celebrity jerk du jour.

[threeseven]

This was the first thread I opened after stumbling out of bed, near comatose, and I thought it said 'Bill Cosby' for second there.

[QuarterBoreGunner]

threeseven wins the prize for thread-lightening.

[idd]

On what constitutional basis do you justify your desire that he rot in jail?

<singing> Cause he's one of them long haired hippie type, pinko fags. I bet he’s even got a Commie flag tacked up on the wall inside of his garage.


Constitution? Oh hell, gburner, I only invoke the constitution when *my* rights are at stake.

[Justin]

More heat than light. This one's done.