Dad poses as gunman to test school security, gets arrested


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Trent
January 12, 2013, 06:55 PM
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/11/16466705-dad-poses-as-gunman-to-test-school-security-gets-arrested?lite

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Officials say Ronald Miller was unarmed Wednesday when he told a school greeter outside Celina Elementary School that he had a gun, according to NBCDFW.com. The town of Celina is just north of Dallas.
The greeter froze in panic when Miller said he was a gunman and his target was inside, Celina Independent School District Superintendent Donny O'Dell told NBCDFW.com. Miller was then able to walk into the school and entered the office.

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"He told them that he is a shooter and 'you're dead, and you're dead,'" O'Dell told NBCDFW.com. Never showing a weapon, Miller then reportedly revealed his stunt was a test of school safety and he wanted to talk to the principal.

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M-Cameron
January 12, 2013, 06:59 PM
while this guy is most likely not the brightest bulb in the bunch.....and he senselessly caused a panic....

.....he did make a good point.

this guy didnt even show a gun and he waltzed right in unopposed and unquestioned....if anything it shows that school security is in need of serious reform.

dogtown tom
January 12, 2013, 07:23 PM
The guy was/is a complete idiot and this has nothing to do with guns.

M-Cameronthis guy didnt even show a gun and he waltzed right in unopposed and unquestioned....if anything it shows that school security is in need of serious reform.
Uh, no. Read the story. He told the door greeter that he was armed and she would not stop him.

CookeMonster
January 12, 2013, 07:25 PM
School security in my area of Northern California is nonexistent. Many uncontrolled or even observed points of entry. I enter my kid's elementary and high schools at different points while carrying concealed all the time. At least public schools are not gun free zones here in California.

Although, when I was requesting the dean's permission to concealed carry at a junior college (in order to avoid suspension/expulsion), I was referred to a campus police officer who said it was illegal and I would be arrested. His Chief later corrected him, and dean gave me consent, but just goes to show that the cops don't always know their state laws.

Airbrush Artist
January 12, 2013, 07:25 PM
Sometimes though ya got to make a Point..Ya really do...

Grassman
January 12, 2013, 07:26 PM
Whackjob, glad he was arrested.

jmorris
January 12, 2013, 07:29 PM
Not too far from my "stomping ground" lucky he didn't get killed.

Rail Driver
January 12, 2013, 07:29 PM
Whackjob, glad he was arrested.
I'd rather support the arrest and charging of the school officials and administration for endangering the children in their care. After all, there are many MANY things they could be doing to prevent this sort of occurrence. I don't necessarily support this guy's method, but his message is the truth. Your children (I say "your" because my kids are home schooled - I take responsibility for the education of my children as is my duty as a parent) are entrusted to these people for safety and education - Their history books are filled with half-truths and lies (Come on, at least one district in Texas has a history book that teaches that the Boston Tea Party was an act of terrorism - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/26/boston-tea-party-was-act-_n_2193916.html), and they do nothing to prevent violence from being done upon those children entrusted to their care.

Coop45
January 12, 2013, 07:32 PM
He will pay for making them look stupid!

Lost Sheep
January 12, 2013, 07:33 PM
If this guy is a whack job, idiot or whatever, he still deserves good legal defense nonetheless.

Maybe his lawyer should review the successful argument used by David Gregory's attorney with his "gun" troubles

http://news.msn.com/us/no-charges-for-nbcs-gregory-for-on-air-ammunition-magazine

After all, Gregory did actually break the possession law but got off because he was making a point.

In both cases, the "lawbreaker" would have been well advised to have contacted at least one person in charge beforehand. If you are going to "test" TSA (or the like, or any law), you'd better have have good cover.

Lost Sheep

Deaf Smith
January 12, 2013, 07:36 PM
Well he tested security! And now he knows, as they put him in jail, they DO have security and they take a DIM view of what he did.

You know if TEXAS gets teachers with guns (as I hope they do) and some stupid guy does just this, well he will get even a better idea of how well we protect our kids down here!

Deaf

Airbrush Artist
January 12, 2013, 07:41 PM
I drive My school bus here in Dayton Ohio everyday to 4 different schools High School and elementary ,I wear regular street Clothes driving my bus no one can Identify me as a Bus Driver ,I can walk up to every school I go to open the door and walk right in to rooms or any hall way I desire.last week Our Public High schools Superintendent put a letter in the local newspaper about How safe Our Schools are...He should be Fired and and charged with criminal negligence...I've done the same thing this guy did several times just to see if anyone would stop Me, hasn't happened yet...Our city has 2 full time City police Officers who are assigned to Our schools daily and the High school has 3 Unarmed security guard during all school Hours..as well

BP44
January 12, 2013, 07:43 PM
It was a bad decision on his part. Or at least he went about it wrong.

Interesting reaction from folk so far though....... :eek:

Trent
January 12, 2013, 07:51 PM
Jeeeeeez

I didn't expect this to become so heated so fast.

I posted it up mainly as a cautionary tale so gunowners / concerned parents would know to tread with caution about how they approach schools for discussions about security.

(And not go in gung-ho like this guy did.)

There's ways to make a point, and there's ways to make an ass out of yourself. The two don't always coincide or coexist.

AlexanderA
January 12, 2013, 07:56 PM
Under a slightly different scenario (a police officer at the school, for example), he could have been killed. This stunt makes as much sense as trying to "test" airport security. The authorities have no sense of humor, or tolerance for stuff like this.

Dr.Zubrato
January 12, 2013, 08:38 PM
Wow, there were hundreds of much better ways he could've brought this to public attention and he chose the worst.
No doubt schools aren't ready for such events, they're soft targets.
The country is buzzing about the best way to protect kids in obviously unprotected schools, and he felt the urge to point out the obvious at the very costly expense of his own freedom. I feel for the guy, because he meant well but damnit that just wasn't very bright..

SEE IT LIKE A NATIVE
January 12, 2013, 08:38 PM
I think it is always a bad idea to threaten people , especially when in the shadow of recent violent events ! What would happen if the administrator had jabbed him in the throat with the point of an umbrella , or smacked him with a blunt object ? Poor choice of behavior ! Kevin

Jenrick
January 12, 2013, 08:48 PM
This stunt makes as much sense as trying to "test" airport security.

Agreed, but I think it demonstrates just how much of this is all "security theater" designed to make people feel safer rather then actually protect anyone.

-Jenrick

jeepnik
January 12, 2013, 08:54 PM
I've seen idiotic behavior like this before. In one case some rentacop security guards decided to show how poor security was by dressing up like ninjas and prowl around a companies grounds (they might even have used their security badges to enter buildings). They were caught on secruity cameras and stopped. When it was found out who they were the really bright supervisor on duty sent them on their way. In addition to the ninjas, guess who got fired.

At a oil refinery, the head of safety/security came in one night and planted fake "bombs". Then bragged how he had overcome security at the facility and it needed to be improved. He then proceeded to show the boss' where he had planted his "bombs".

Funny thing is, he couldn't find them. He was spotted as soon as he came in and a couple of operators followed him around picking up his "bombs". He became unemployed that afternoon.

ApacheCoTodd
January 12, 2013, 08:56 PM
What a TOOL!

I hope he gets a no time felony plea as I don't think prison money should be wasted on him but I would feel better knowing someone with so little common sense and such poor judgement was never able to legally own a firearm.

mgmorden
January 12, 2013, 09:36 PM
Under a slightly different scenario (a police officer at the school, for example), he could have been killed.

Heck when you think about it, he was betting his life on this.

Either he was going to prove that the school's safety was inadequate, or, if it were, then the response to his "drill" would have been him getting shot.

Yeah, he's an idiot. You see the same thing in the computer industry where kids will hack into a company's computers and such and then claim they were just "testing out the security". The courts don't buy it there, and I doubt they'll buy the excuse here either.

HOWARD J
January 12, 2013, 09:47 PM
He will probably will get 2/3 years hard labor & that 6 year old that stuck out his finger like a gun will probably get 2 years probation.

Sam Cade
January 12, 2013, 09:49 PM
Come on, at least one district in Texas has a history book that teaches that the Boston Tea Party was an act of terrorism

It was. Even if you agree with it.

Terrorism is defined as political violence in an asymmetrical conflict that is designed to induce terror and psychic fear (sometimes indiscriminate) through the violent victimization and destruction of noncombatant targets (sometimes iconic symbols). Such acts are meant to send a message from an illicit clandestine organization. The purpose of terrorism is to exploit the media in order to achieve maximum attainable publicity as an amplifying force multiplier in order to influence the targeted audience(s) in order to reach short- and midterm political goals and/or desired long-term end states."

Sometimes the good guys are terrorists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_resistance_movement_in_World_War_II

Lsmalls
January 12, 2013, 09:51 PM
I think that was a bad move

M-Cameron
January 12, 2013, 10:01 PM
Sam, its a bit of a stretch to call the Boston tea party an act of terrorism, by any accounts.

the event was actually quite un-eventful....they broke a lock( which they replaced), and tossed some tea off a boat over the course of a few hours. its intent was more to send a message in protest rather than it was to install a sense of fear.

BobTheTomato
January 12, 2013, 10:14 PM
And people wonder why I homeschool my kids. As others have said he will be punished for making the rulers look stupid and should go with the CBS news defense.

armed hiker
January 12, 2013, 10:25 PM
Not a smart thing to do.... but
We have been reminded there is no security at school and it cost us no lives to find that out. Remember Beslan Russia the real terrorists are watching and learning these lessons too.

Jenrick
January 12, 2013, 10:51 PM
If the father had been shot the closes thing that comes to mind:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigoberto_Alpizar

No bill for the FAM's involved.

-Jenrick

joeschmoe
January 12, 2013, 11:00 PM
Terroristic threats. He's a felon now. It's hard to have sympathy for stupid.

Lost Sheep
January 13, 2013, 03:52 AM
Terroristic threats. He's a felon now. It's hard to have sympathy for stupid.
Not until he is convicted.

Lost Sheep

Alaska444
January 13, 2013, 04:11 AM
Not sure why he would get locked up for this, just my opinion. Not a bright action at all, but I doubt he will get anything more than a slap on his wrist. Compared to what some ghetto busters get for violent crime, justice will not be served locking this guy up. Once again, just my opinion.

coloradokevin
January 13, 2013, 04:49 AM
This was stupid.

Yeah, the school was unsecured. Yeah, I guess he made his point. But, he did something that would obviously result in panic, and doing so was ridiculously stupid and misguided in this day and age.

Warp
January 13, 2013, 04:58 AM
Well he tested security! And now he knows, as they put him in jail, they DO have security and they take a DIM view of what he did.

You know if TEXAS gets teachers with guns (as I hope they do) and some stupid guy does just this, well he will get even a better idea of how well we protect our kids down here!

Deaf

So you have armed teachers down there?

Oh, nevermind, you said if.

Dang, I thought you were actually bragging about something real there for a minute

Deus Machina
January 13, 2013, 06:00 AM
Okay, I agree that they should pull the same 'in the name of the First' defense on this, throw it in a certain judge's face and on every news channel.

I vote for firing anyone that let him pass.

Then I vote for a solid slap on the back of this guy's head because, seriously, this is exactly the most idiotic thing he could have done.

joeschmoe
January 13, 2013, 06:16 AM
Not sure why he would get locked up for this, just my opinion.

:scrutiny:

Browning
January 13, 2013, 09:48 AM
Funny, I actually know this D-bag. Used to be at the same Fire Dept.

He used to go around quizzing people about equipment he felt that they were supposed to know. 'Have you checked your tank this morning? How many pounds are in it' and so on. He's real condescending, so the fact that he did this doesn't suprise me any. He simply thinks that he's better than everyone else.

He's right to a certain degree, security at schools do need to be greatly improved. This just wasn't exactly the right way to do it. He likes showing people up and I'm willing to bet that this was a way for him to boost his image of himself.

Fun fact : He's also a hypnotist and a comedian.

http://entertainment-alliance.com/wp-content/gallery/ron-miller/pic10.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RWhao.jpg?1

http://entertainment-alliance.com/?page_id=1346

He has some video of him doing his act on YouTube somewhere.

Maybe he can put the Judge to sleep. :)

hso
January 13, 2013, 09:53 AM
I'd hate to be him now.

Heck, I'd hate to be his kid after a stunt like that.

All he needed to do was ask for a meeting with the principal and then talk about security and ask the principal to watch a test of the security.

45_auto
January 13, 2013, 09:56 AM
I enter my kid's elementary and high schools at different points while carrying concealed all the time. At least public schools are not gun free zones here in California.

Is this true? When did they repeal 626.9?

CAL. PEN. CODE 626.9

(a)This section shall be known, and may be cited, as the Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995.

(b)Any person who possesses a firearm in a place that the person knows, or reasonably should know, is a school zone, as defined in paragraph (1) of subdivision (e), unless it is with the written permission of the school district superintendent, his or her designee, or equivalent school authority, shall be punished as specified in subdivision (f).

Kynative
January 13, 2013, 10:14 AM
I saw a few posts that said this man bet his life on what their response would be. As undestand the situation he never presented a weapon. And I'm no lawyer but in KY shooting that guy will get yout manslaughter or worse. Yes he is a tool. Were there actions that deserved a response of deadly physical force?

Robert
January 13, 2013, 11:17 AM
Some guy tells the school greeter he has a gun and gets arrested, as he should be.

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