What is a bullet button?


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boatmanschneider
January 13, 2013, 09:12 AM
I keep reading the term "bullet buttons" in the media.

"If we ban bullet buttons it will slow down the reloading of assault weapons"

What are they talking about? The magazine release? Or the think that goes up on the stock?

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HorseSoldier
January 13, 2013, 09:17 AM
It's a modification to weapons that requires the use of some sort of tool to operate the mag release on a semi-auto rifle, rather than just being able to push the button or lever or whatever. I think all the systems out there are set up so that you can also just use the tip of a bullet to release the magazine, hence "bullet button."

dab102999
January 13, 2013, 09:18 AM
I believe it was a California requirement. Basically you had to use a special tool ( most used there bullets) to release the Mag's. I also think this was only on AR platform.

Elkins45
January 13, 2013, 09:20 AM
I believe it's a California thing because they have some sort of law that bans 'detachable' magazines over X number of rounds. Because you have to employ a 'tool' of some sort to remove the magazine it's technically not a 'detachable' magazine under the law.

That's what I figured out from a little Googling anyway. Don't know if it's 100% right, but I'm sure someone will correct me where I'm wrong.

boatmanschneider
January 13, 2013, 09:24 AM
So, it sounds like anyone with some superglue and a little piece of wood could convert that into a magazine release. Which would mean only people intending to obey the law would be affected. This is/ was required?

I like the bubble I live in.

tarosean
January 13, 2013, 09:32 AM
I believe it was a California requirement.

Not a requirement, rather invented as loophole to circumvent their law..

Loc n Load
January 13, 2013, 10:37 AM
It is something that the left coast dreamed up. To meet the requirements of laws in the peoples republic of Kailifornia, mag releases on AR's had to be blocked, the covering has a small hole in it, allowing you to use the tip of a bullet to release the mag...thus the "bullet button".

Ehtereon11B
January 13, 2013, 12:04 PM
The wonderful thing about the bullet button argument was it was pushed by antis to make it slower to reload a semi-auto AR. Now the same kind of antis are attacking the bullet button saying how ineffective the idea was.

HoosierQ
January 13, 2013, 01:55 PM
I believe it's a California thing because they have some sort of law that bans 'detachable' magazines over X number of rounds. Because you have to employ a 'tool' of some sort to remove the magazine it's technically not a 'detachable' magazine under the law.

That's what I figured out from a little Googling anyway. Don't know if it's 100% right, but I'm sure someone will correct me where I'm wrong.
That is 100% correct. If you have the bullet button in Cal, you can have a 30 round mag...I think.

CookeMonster
January 13, 2013, 03:14 PM
That is 100% correct. If you have the bullet button in Cal, you can have a 30 round mag...I think.
No. Still limited to 10 rounds. If you have an "evil black rifle," you can't have a detachable magazine along with other evil features. The bullet button causes you to use a tool to change magazines, circumventing the causation of "detachable" to become ineffective, thus allowing ARs and their kin. The new argument against bullet buttons is laughable because it is just ill-informed politicians arguing against something that is in their favor, but sounds scary so it must be bad, like a shoulder thing that goes up.

CGT80
January 13, 2013, 03:39 PM
That is 100% correct. If you have the bullet button in Cal, you can have a 30 round mag...I think.

Incorrect.

To run over 10 round mags, the rifle would have to be featureless (no pistol grip, flash hider, bayonet lug, collapsible stock, forward grip, thumbhole stock) or it would have to be a RAW=registered assault weapon. The registration period for RAW's has come and gone, so if they had it and registered it they can use it as if we were in a free state, those of us that are new to AR's (me) are screwed. Rimfire rifles are not considered assault weapons so we can have all the evil features on them without a bullet button.

Here is the flowchart for Komnifornia residents to use, to determine if their rifle would be legal: http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf


Here is a pic of my BB. The screw inside can be loosened to allow the mag to be dropped without a tool, IF I am in a free state or I run a rimfire upper. Right now, that button will not move with my finger.

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k484/CGT80/BB.jpg

Here is a pic of the other side of my rifle. I installed a UBML by TC, Ultimate Bilateral Magazine Lock by Thordsen Customs. It adds a second bullet button to the left side of the receiver.

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k484/CGT80/TCUBML.jpg

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k484/CGT80/UBBT.jpg

To reload:

I hold the rifle with my right hand on the grip and index finger next to the trigger.

grab a loaded Magpul Pmag with my left hand and use the nub (Ultimate Bullet Button Tool) on the mag to drop the empty mag from the rifle.

flip new mag over and insert into mag well.

Place left hand back on hand guard, while releasing the bolt by pushing down on the Magpul BAD lever with my trigger finger.

I plan to use this rifle for 3 gun competition. This is the best route I know of to run a BB and stay legal in Cali. I don't have a RAW, and a featureless rifle would need a replacement for the grip, such as a hammer head.

Mags over 10 rounds were banned in 2000. If a Cali resident owned them prior to that date, then they can use them. The problem is that a rifle with a fixed magazine that has a capacity of over 10 rounds, is an assault weapon in Cali.

New gun owners likely would not have legal mags over 10 rounds and they would not have a RAW.

Did I confuse you guys from the USA yet? We are like a different country here. It is more like Northern Mexico, than Southern California. I would hate to leave the home I know, but I would also love to get out of this crap hole of a state.

Some of the anti-gun people in the government should watch a pistol or rifle competition in Cali. There are some very fast shooters here. None of our laws would have prevented the killings that have been on the news. The laws just hinder the honest law abiding gun enthusiasts in Cali (including some law enforcement as well, in their off time).

HoosierQ
January 15, 2013, 02:59 PM
I stand corrected. California is nice place to visit but I sure wouldn't wanna live there.

CGT80
January 15, 2013, 06:13 PM
No worries about that little detail, as long as you don't run a mag over 10 rounds with a BB in our state. Our LEO's often don't even know the laws regarding firearms. The laws seem to be tailored to turning honest people into criminals, although the BB is our solution to a useless law. This area used to be much nicer, but I have seen it continually go down hill in my lifetime-32 years.

Shanghai McCoy
January 15, 2013, 06:55 PM
I left 40 years ago. Glad I beat the "rush"...

Fryerpower
January 15, 2013, 06:59 PM
AK also. I had a Kalifornicated AK at one time. The folding stock was welded open. The Flash supressor was welded on. And the mag release was replaced with a bullet button. The only thing I could fix was the mag release.

Jim

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